I bet this wouldn't have happened if she was wearking a burkah...

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 6, 2014 8:32 PM

http://gothamist.com/2014/06/05/music_fest_sexual_assault.php

The above photo was snapped a few weeks ago at Mysteryland, a Woodstock-based affair in which neon-clad EDM heads sway to various strains of house music for a whole buzz-filled weekend. But amid lighthearted photos of friends lying on the lawn and posing with a giant stuffed bear, this photo gave us pause. Had we captured a sexual assault?

Our photographer provided us with some context:

The previous photos show how some women climbed on to the speaker and were dancing, which was fine until a bunch of people started jumping the barricade and dancing in front of the stage, which was still kind of fine until it got too crowded so they ejected everyone. In the process of ushering everyone out, one dude from the audience took the opportunity to spank this woman a couple times, which was followed by a different guy just up and grabbing her. She got down after that.

He added also that she was still dancing as she climbed down, and it did not seem like she knew the man who grabbed her.

Her reaction was simply a mild look of distaste and then climbing down on the opposite side of the speaker than her grabber was on. She didn't say anything. If there were any other reactions they were too mild to notice. Worth noting is that a different guy had spanked her a bit right before the other guy went full grab, and she didn't seem to mind/react to that. But the grabber was too much, it seemed.

Such unsolicited gropings occur at music festivals all the time, often leaving women feeling uncomfortable, annoyed, or blatantly violated (sometimes all three). Confronting your assailant is not only awkward, it's often met with ridicule. Saying nothing perpetuates the idea that such behavior is OK, or is at least tolerated. Let's be clear: it's not, and it shouldn't be.

I'm sorry..... This is NOT sexual assault, and to believe that it IS or to even try to tell us that it IS sexual assault is to completely make illegitimate the horrors that women and children have actually endured. I have two female friends who have been victims of sexual assault as well as two family members who were REAL victims of an ACTUAL crime.

Were these guys Assholes? Most definitely. I know my momma didn't raise me to be that way. If being an Asshole in America made you a criminal they'd have to just build a brick wall and ceiling around the entire country, because let's face it, I see 10 things people do every day that irritate me. I'm no saint either, by the way.... although I do have to apologize that I don't have a police record to prove it, unless you're including speeding tickets from my youth..... ;)

You know what officer? She sexually assaulted ME! Here I was enjoying a few beers and maybe a joint with some friends watching Tom Petty rock on stage and this chick gets up on the speaker and gives me a huge boner.... I don't care that she didn't touch me. I came to the concert to listen to some great music and this girl comes out of nowhere rocking her hot young body in a stripper outfit in front of me and made me think about cheating on my [theoretical] wife who is standing right next to me.

She's an Asshole too. You're out in public. This isn't Coyote Ugly. There's a few pre-pubessent boys two rows behind you that you just turned into men.

She was drunk. They were drunk. People tend to be Assholes when they're drunk. Trust me.... I KNOW ;)

If they should be locked up for sexual assault, she should be locked up for indecent exposure, and I'm just hoping it's a co-ed prison and I'm the lucky guy to share a cell with her for any one of very numerous terrible things I've said on these boards while drinking.

Just another example of taking good intentions to the insane extreme.....

BTW... I don't have any reason to believe that this girl was an Assh

AGENTROUKA

Friday, June 6, 2014 9:14 PM

You know, acknowledging your alcoholism with a winky smile doesn't make it any less of an problem, nor the misogynist bullshit you post any less pathetic.

DEVERSE

Friday, June 6, 2014 9:43 PM

Explain where it is - at exactly what point is it that sexual assault starts so there is a basis for context for the discussion.
Exactly what has to happen for sexual assault to have occurred? At what point is groping a woman just being an asshole groping another asshole and when does it cross the line?
Is her being an asshole part of the conditions for sexual assault to occur or not occur? What if she isn't being an asshole - is it still not sexual assault if just the male is being an asshole?
I also wonder why the age thing is a consideration. If slapping and grabbing an 18 year old's butt isn't sexual assault, then why would it be if one did it to a 12 year old? Is being an asshole age limited?

Honestly, when I see girls do this type of thing, drunk, stoned or sober, paid or not paid; I am embarrassed for them - not aroused or thinking "hey, they must want some guy to grope or rape them". And please, the next time you are in a club where the girls are being paid to dance, get a bit drunk and then go fondle one, just to experiment to see what happens. If you survive the experiment with all of your teeth intact you might have an understanding of some basic rules. Just because there is no one specifically protecting girls from sexual assault doesn't mean the rules don't exist and their right to be safe from some asshole groping them (or worse) is null and void - even if they are being an asshole.

And while I do agree that in some cases they are being assholes, because being an asshole isn't restricted to gender, being an asshole doesn't give someone else the right to slap or grope them or anything else.

Oh let the sun beat down upon my face;
With stars to fill my dream;
I am a traveler of both time and space;
To be where I have been

6IXSTRINGJACK

Friday, June 6, 2014 10:49 PM

Good questions DEVERSE, but I think that I implied what I could while stating what facts I could from a "supposed on the scene encounter". Chances are, this article was written as a "journal" by somebody with twice the creative mind I have when they saw a few pics posted on Instagram and they made it into a whole "on the scene" thing....

I'm not going to bother defending my point to people who will blindly argue it. I already made my case quite clear in the initial post.

If you want "proof", as would I. Find the barely-clad girl in this photo and as her opinion about gross old guys touching her butt that she was willingly dancing nearly-naked in front of them well within farting-distance.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

WISHIMAY

Saturday, June 7, 2014 2:16 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
You know, acknowledging your alcoholism with a winky smile doesn't make it any less of an problem, nor the misogynist bullshit you post any less pathetic.

Well, that should help him drink less *facepalm....

AGENTROUKA

Saturday, June 7, 2014 5:25 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
You know, acknowledging your alcoholism with a winky smile doesn't make it any less of an problem, nor the misogynist bullshit you post any less pathetic.

Well, that should help him drink less *facepalm....

Your point being?

I don't really care about him drinking less. I don't care about him as a person at all. I have no desire to save him, but I see no point in ignoring his drinking problem when he constantly brings it up.

I would perhaps have more sympathy if most of his posts weren't about his sickening attitude toward women. But the repetitive tirades continue, so no, can't say much more than that I find him pathetic.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 7, 2014 5:37 AM

" Sexual assault " can mean anything from forcible rape to a unwanted kiss on the cheek, or pat on the backside.

What a load of go-se. Call things what they are, and stop this PC garbage.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, June 7, 2014 6:10 AM

Uhhhh. And you people wonder why I'm not a fan of humanity. It can't keep it's hands to itself like they tell you in kiddygarten, and it has no consideration for people who aren't operating with a full manual.

Six, hon, the booze isn't winning you any philosophy points. And it's not going to make you happier in the long run. I get that you have attention span issues so lemme use the big print...

STOP DRINKING AND SMOKING AND SELF HARMING TO GET BY. RWED IS NOT A SUBSTITUTE FOR A LICENCED SHRINK. WHICH YOU DO NEED. THE STUFF YOU POST ISN'T NORMAL.

Now don't say everyone is against you and pout. Stop making excuses and go get yer head on straight, m'kay? I know you aren't a bad person, but I can't ignore your problems anymore. I hate humanity too, but in this case it actually IS you that's the problem. If I hada guess, I'd say A.D.D. It's probably also why you are having problems at work and can't relate to women. They make pills that will make your life easier, they really do.

Now, you've got good points and I want you to come back and talk music, but I want you to go get help MORE. Please, Six. You can do it buddy...

AURAPTOR

Saturday, June 7, 2014 6:54 AM

Kinda agree w/ the consensus on the drinking, 6IX. As one who use to imbibe copious amounts, from time to time, I get the appeal. But don't be a slave to anyone or anything. You'll be happier for it.

JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:04 AM

In "Gimme Shelter" we see a totally naked, clearly wasted 'Rubenesque' girl work her way towards the stage while The Rolling Stones are playing. As she gets to the stage a couple of Hell's Angels grab her and knock her to the ground with pool cues. Later she is seen bleeding from the head. Whaddaya gonna do?

JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:04 AM

That's a spicy-a-meatball!

1KIKI

Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:12 AM

Thoughts?

What if men felt free to grab your crotch every time they had the impulse? Because it's there and and the only person who seems to have a problem with it is you?

And do you think that would be sexual assault? Or rudeness?

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

AGENTROUKA

Saturday, June 7, 2014 4:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Uhhhh. And you people wonder why I'm not a fan of humanity. It can't keep it's hands to itself like they tell you in kiddygarten, and it has no consideration for people who aren't operating with a full manual.

Being an alcoholic doesn't make him a special sensitive snowflake who must be protected from honesty. When dealing with people with severe issues, you need to set boundaries for how much you can give, because allowing them to be energy leeches on you isn't kindness or sympathy, it's validating their destructive behavior.

Six is about the most obvious energy leech I have ever seen. All his posts seem designed to create a platform for his narcissistic attention seeking. He's not engaging in discussion, he doesn't examine any of the shit he says. He repeats himself over and over, and so often it's about sex, as if making others participate in twisted view on women is some kind of masturbatory aid.

And God forbid you express your honest irritation, then comes the "Man, that was cold" wounded deer routine.

The entire manipulative routine surely does mean that he's not operating on a full manual, but that doesn't mean I have to enable him by pretending it's anything but what it is.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, June 7, 2014 8:56 PM

I guess I understand him because if I hadn't a family, I probably would BE him. I think a lot of it is he's lonely, and doesn't understand why.

Now, I'm done talking about him, 'cause it's not gonna help talking to you about it because you are being a dick.

If he were to hurt himself you would be just as guilty as the twits that bully teenage girls that hurt themselves. I'm all for putting people strait that come here pretending to be intellectuals with manipulation being the goal, but if you can't tell Six is just a little lost YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

1KIKI

Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:09 PM

Six is more than a little lost imo. He now has a niece, one he claims to love, that he says he wants to be there for. He can't seem to change his attitude towards females on account of her, and he can't seem to stop drinking on account of her.

One of my coworkers - a brilliant young man - had a serious drinking problem. To the point where people from work would go looking for him when he failed to show up on Monday, and find him sleeping off a weekend binge on a sidewalk in skid row. He had some internal conflict driving it - whatever it was he stopped drinking and figured it out and has been fine these last 30 years.

But six can seem to do neither. I really can't see a good end to this unless he can stop drinking and resolve the psychological issues he has.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

AGENTROUKA

Saturday, June 7, 2014 9:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
I guess I understand him because if I hadn't a family, I probably would BE him. I think a lot of it is he's lonely, and doesn't understand why.

Now, I'm done talking about him, 'cause it's not gonna help talking to you about it because you are being a dick.

If he were to hurt himself you would be just as guilty as the twits that bully teenage girls that hurt themselves. I'm all for putting people strait that come here pretending to be intellectuals with manipulation being the goal, but if you can't tell Six is just a little lost YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

Honestly, I find that comparison insulting. Teenaged girls being bullied online is the same thing as telling Six honestly that his misogyny is pathetic? Really?

I am not reacting to him like I am because he is an alcoholic. I am reacting to his disturbing attitude about women. The one he keeps displaying over and over again.

And "He's just a little lost" just isn't cutting it for me as an excuse.

If that makes me an idiot and a "dick", I'll have to bear that.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, June 7, 2014 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
http://gothamist.com/2014/06/05/music_fest_sexual_assault.php

The above photo was snapped a few weeks ago at Mysteryland, a Woodstock-based affair in which neon-clad EDM heads sway to various strains of house music for a whole buzz-filled weekend. But amid lighthearted photos of friends lying on the lawn and posing with a giant stuffed bear, this photo gave us pause. Had we captured a sexual assault?

Our photographer provided us with some context:

The previous photos show how some women climbed on to the speaker and were dancing, which was fine until a bunch of people started jumping the barricade and dancing in front of the stage, which was still kind of fine until it got too crowded so they ejected everyone. In the process of ushering everyone out, one dude from the audience took the opportunity to spank this woman a couple times, which was followed by a different guy just up and grabbing her. She got down after that.

He added also that she was still dancing as she climbed down, and it did not seem like she knew the man who grabbed her.

Her reaction was simply a mild look of distaste and then climbing down on the opposite side of the speaker than her grabber was on. She didn't say anything. If there were any other reactions they were too mild to notice. Worth noting is that a different guy had spanked her a bit right before the other guy went full grab, and she didn't seem to mind/react to that. But the grabber was too much, it seemed.

Such unsolicited gropings occur at music festivals all the time, often leaving women feeling uncomfortable, annoyed, or blatantly violated (sometimes all three). Confronting your assailant is not only awkward, it's often met with ridicule. Saying nothing perpetuates the idea that such behavior is OK, or is at least tolerated. Let's be clear: it's not, and it shouldn't be.

I'm sorry..... This is NOT sexual assault, and to believe that it IS or to even try to tell us that it IS sexual assault is to completely make illegitimate the horrors that women and children have actually endured. I have two female friends who have been victims of sexual assault as well as two family members who were REAL victims of an ACTUAL crime.

Were these guys Assholes? Most definitely. I know my momma didn't raise me to be that way. If being an Asshole in America made you a criminal they'd have to just build a brick wall and ceiling around the entire country, because let's face it, I see 10 things people do every day that irritate me. I'm no saint either, by the way.... although I do have to apologize that I don't have a police record to prove it, unless you're including speeding tickets from my youth..... ;)

You know what officer? She sexually assaulted ME! Here I was enjoying a few beers and maybe a joint with some friends watching Tom Petty rock on stage and this chick gets up on the speaker and gives me a huge boner.... I don't care that she didn't touch me. I came to the concert to listen to some great music and this girl comes out of nowhere rocking her hot young body in a stripper outfit in front of me and made me think about cheating on my [theoretical] wife who is standing right next to me.

She's an Asshole too. You're out in public. This isn't Coyote Ugly. There's a few pre-pubessent boys two rows behind you that you just turned into men.

She was drunk. They were drunk. People tend to be Assholes when they're drunk. Trust me.... I KNOW ;)

If they should be locked up for sexual assault, she should be locked up for indecent exposure, and I'm just hoping it's a co-ed prison and I'm the lucky guy to share a cell with her for any one of very numerous terrible things I've said on these boards while drinking.

Just another example of taking good intentions to the insane extreme.....

BTW... I don't have a

6IXSTRINGJACK

Saturday, June 7, 2014 11:29 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
In "Gimme Shelter" we see a totally naked, clearly wasted 'Rubenesque' girl work her way towards the stage while The Rolling Stones are playing. As she gets to the stage a couple of Hell's Angels grab her and knock her to the ground with pool cues. Later she is seen bleeding from the head. Whaddaya gonna do?

This is sick Jongs...

I'm not dumb, and I don't appreciate how people take prior posts I make and justify their own warped opinions on this issue and somehow justify them simply because I drink.

Bottom line, "Mom's" and "Dad's" here in the RWED.

Don't raise a little trailer-park SLUT and she won't have her Kardashian-Wannabee-Ass groped by EVERY poor and intoxicated basement-dweller at a concert that kids are also invited to in broad daylight on July 8th.

As I said before, I don't think she's an Asshole at all because she was complaining about anything. She thought she was home alone trippin' and grooving to the music and thankfully some guys woke her up and made her realize reality.

The only people making a big deal out of those pics were some sickeningly left-leaning pan-sexuals who found these pics online and wrote a whole "on the scene" story around it. I have 100% confidence that, outside of Lesbian Lovers, anyone involved with writing or publishing this article has never even kissed a girl, let alone were even at the concert in question.

These days, it's not just sick guys taking advantage where they can.

Watch "The Roomate" with Aly Michelka....

Every single party I ever went to while in college-years had a ton of hot girls doing this stuff. They are women and far old enough to know better or not.

Don't get me wrong... The older I get, the more I love witnessing it.

I'm just saying. If your of-age daughter were the girl I brought up in this post, I'd hope you'd at least blush when even acknowledging what a little slut she was and that she belonged to you before you went on your anti-men tirade.

I guarantee there was at least one undeserving dick up inside that nearly invisible thong before 12:00AM the next day.

I'm 34 and just as disease free as I am debt free.

Don't ask me where the warts or AIDS came from, Mudblood....

I'll take a DNA test any day of the week.

It wasn't me.

But, Yeah.... I'm the bad guy.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, June 8, 2014 6:44 AM

God this thread is super depressing

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 10, 2014 3:02 AM

Per the so called hiney grab, at least she wasn't in Tahrir Square, dressed up like a foreign reporter.

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, June 10, 2014 6:49 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per the so called hiney grab, at least she wasn't in Tahrir Square, dressed up like a foreign reporter.

Had to read a bit, but found the correct term: Fallacy of relative privation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation

AURAPTOR

Tuesday, June 10, 2014 7:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per the so called hiney grab, at least she wasn't in Tahrir Square, dressed up like a foreign reporter.

Had to read a bit, but found the correct term: Fallacy of relative privation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_relative_privation

Naw. Not that at all. But thanks anyways.

Seriously, you get a drunk girl , dressed like that, in front of young drunk males, a quick vulgar, though harmless grab is bound to happen. Shouldn't, but it does.

And that's the point of those festivals / concerts / college parties. Things go on which most folks would find obscene, or at least, in poor taste. To the folks doing it though, it's not that big a deal. It's part of being young and stupid. Some revel in that atmo. Some go too far.

At the very least, the girl should be with a friend or two. Getting up there , solo and dressed as such, is an invitation for bad things.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:05 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Seriously, you get a drunk girl , dressed like that, in front of young drunk males, a quick vulgar, though harmless grab is bound to happen. Shouldn't, but it does.

Thank you for being the voice of reason here Rap....

Please "MOMS", look beyond my admitted drunkeness and realize that I am all about protecting an innocient girl's virtue.

What this girl was doing at the concert was an affront to any core values I would hope you were trying to instill in your little Princess.

I'm not trying to justify some stupid neanterthal urge to grab a sexy bare ass. I'm just saying that if she wasn't dressed like a stripper in public where there are half a million horny male hands and also kids present, maybe her ass wouldn't have been grabbed.

It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dance on a speaker at a concert in Stripper Gear without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

If that's the facts.... what exactly are you even fighting for at that point?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

AGENTROUKA

Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:21 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dance on a speaker at a concert in Stripper Gear without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

Uh, hell yeah. That's exactly the point.

Quote:

If that's the facts.... what exactly are you even fighting for at that point?

The idea that a woman can rest assured that no one just feels entitled to access to her body, no matter what she happens to be wearing or where she happens to be standing.

That's just basic respect. I don't understand what bothers you about that concept.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:30 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Per the so called hiney grab, at least she wasn't in Tahrir Square, dressed up like a foreign reporter.

Kinda the same point dont you think.

It's about men feeling entitled to do whatever to women's bodies. Same concept, different location.

Quote:
Seriously, you get a young woman , dressed like that, in front of young angey males, a quick vulgar, though harmless grab is bound to happen. Shouldn't, but it does.

A few word changes, and you have the justification of Tahrir Square.

It's always about the women, isn't it? It's always women's fault, because the implication being men are just a bit rapey, aren't they. They just can't help themselves and shouldn't be expected to try.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:47 AM

Fully dressed & working as a journalist is a far cry from drunk, barely dressed, on a stage & baring her backside. A quick butt slap or even a grab is far from a violent gang rape.

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:47 AM

Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. What we choose to do has consequences. I did not watch the video but I am seeing one guy, one girl. Not men, not women. There are certainly things that need to be addressed in this world as far as the treatment of women go but as I said. I see one guy and one woman. Neither one is acting appropriately.

If I wanted to start world war three over women’s issues, I’d pick a better example.

si shen

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. What we choose to do has consequences. I did not watch the video but I am seeing one guy, one girl. Not men, not women. There are certainly things that need to be addressed in this world as far as the treatment of women go but as I said. I see one guy and one woman. Neither one is acting appropriately.

If I wanted to start world war three over women’s issues, I’d pick a better example.

Welcome to RWED, where EVERYTHING is a cause to celebrate or war-inate

Seriously though, welcome

Most people take a while to make it into the fray, you been lurking long or do you just naturally dive right in to most things?

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:51 AM

Welcome my ass. He signed on one day after Miker melted down. No intro, just jumped in and gave Chris harassing shit with his first posts. So he's a sockpuppet of Miker, who was nothing but a giant troll douche.

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:12 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Welcome my ass. He signed on one day after Miker melted down. No intro, just jumped in and gave Chris harassing shit with his first posts. So he's a sockpuppet of Miker, who was nothing but a giant troll douche.

Welcome back Miker! You pissed off Jongs - 100 bonus points to start your new round! Truthfully, it takes nothing to piss him off so that's just default sock puppet return points.

Well fuck you too.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dance on a speaker at a concert in Stripper Gear without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

Uh, hell yeah. That's exactly the point.

Quote:

If that's the facts.... what exactly are you even fighting for at that point?

The idea that a woman can rest assured that no one just feels entitled to access to her body, no matter what she happens to be wearing or where she happens to be standing.

That's just basic respect. I don't understand what bothers you about that concept.

At some point you need to get a little common sense. Get drunk in stripper gear, climb into the lion's enclosure and prance the behind in the lion's face. Problem solved, just sue the lion because a drunki girl is too stupid.
Seems the vast majority of women drink alcohol precisely to get laid, "let go their inhibitions," et al, and then complain they won't get laid when they're sober. Act like an adult, pretend you are responsible for your own behavior, and that women are not too dumb to make their own decisions and stick with them. And then leave this girl alone because she's not in your camp.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 6:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
Welcome my ass. He signed on one day after Miker melted down. No intro, just jumped in and gave Chris harassing shit with his first posts. So he's a sockpuppet of Miker, who was nothing but a giant troll douche.

Welcome back Miker! You pissed off Jongs - 100 bonus points to start your new round! Truthfully, it takes nothing to piss him off so that's just default sock puppet return points.

Who absolutely has been confirmed to be a sock puppet of Chris in the first place. Just another layer to the onion, is all.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:31 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Who absolutely has been confirmed to be a sock puppet of Chris in the first place. Just another layer to the onion, is all.

That makes more sense than anything else I've seen on that subject.

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:04 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Everyone is responsible for their own behavior. What we choose to do has consequences. I did not watch the video but I am seeing one guy, one girl. Not men, not women. There are certainly things that need to be addressed in this world as far as the treatment of women go but as I said. I see one guy and one woman. Neither one is acting appropriately.

If I wanted to start world war three over women’s issues, I’d pick a better example.

Welcome to RWED, where EVERYTHING is a cause to celebrate or war-inate

Seriously though, welcome Most people take a while to make it into the fray, you been lurking long or do you just naturally dive right in to most things?

Thank you for the welcome. My first encounter turned into an interrogation. I am not new to conversing online so I do not have a problem with joining in. It beats standing in the corner at a party don't you think? I guess if I were only comfortable speaking to the same people I would chose to lurk about. Not my style.

I see I caused a bit of a stir. Not much I can do about that. Not much I care to do about that.

si shen

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:36 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

I see I caused a bit of a stir. Not much I can do about that. Not much I care to do about that.

I used to think it was sad that this is what's become of us, but hey- WE SURVIVE~!

And really, what else is there to do? I mean would you really want everyone to be joyously happy and use perfect manners all the time? That would be stuck up and repressing and Depressing...
It might be a little sick, but it's also delightful to have a place to come and tear people down and then the next day ask them how their kid or their job or their health is. It really does help you figure out what's REALLY important to you and where your battle lines are.
Not trying to convert, just explaining. If that ain't yer thing, there's chat which is more like snail mail these but I've always tried to be best behavior just so people have that outlet if they need be...

And if you really AREN'T a sockpuppet, hang around long enough they'll get past it...We really have had a few in the past so they're extra paranoid, ya see...

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:09 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I see I caused a bit of a stir. Not much I can do about that. Not much I care to do about that.

I used to think it was sad that this is what's become of us, but hey- WE SURVIVE~!

And really, what else is there to do? I mean would you really want everyone to be joyously happy and use perfect manners all the time? That would be stuck up and repressing and Depressing...
It might be a little sick, but it's also delightful to have a place to come and tear people down and then the next day ask them how their kid or their job or their health is. It really does help you figure out what's REALLY important to you and where your battle lines are.
Not trying to convert, just explaining. If that ain't yer thing, there's chat which is more like snail mail these but I've always tried to be best behavior just so people have that outlet if they need

And if you really AREN'T a sockpuppet, hang around long enough they'll get past it...We really have had a few in the past so they're extra paranoid, ya see...

Welcome. How did you find this site? Have you been here before? THGRRI? Does it stand for Trolls Have Gorram Repeat Responsibility Indefinitely? And which American way? The radical Tea Party one? The downtrodden masses one? The elitist we-know-what's-best-for-you Left or Right one?
See, timing is everything, and apparently you will pan out as nothing.
Very weak try at a new ident.

This was my first contact here. Pretty nuts huh. That’s ok, I greeted this third degree with a bit of taunting. No big deal. I understand what you are saying but I prefer not to get into it. It’s just not possible.

I will make some friends and with some not so much. As for being called a sock puppet I just don’t care. That is not my picture you see when I post. That is not my name. I do hide my identity while online. I found out it is unwise not to. I speak for myself though so I find little annoyance in being called a puppet because what I post cannot come back to haunt me. I noticed that is the way of it here so……hello fellow sock poppets.

si shen

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:49 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
At some point you need to get a little common sense. Get drunk in stripper gear, climb into the lion's enclosure and prance the behind in the lion's face. Problem solved, just sue the lion because a drunki girl is too stupid.
Seems the vast majority of women drink alcohol precisely to get laid, "let go their inhibitions," et al, and then complain they won't get laid when they're sober. Act like an adult, pretend you are responsible for your own behavior, and that women are not too dumb to make their own decisions and stick with them. And then leave this girl alone because she's not in your camp.

I love how this thread could be so simple ("Yeah, that guy should definitely not have touched her") and instead so many people seem compelled to add qualifiers:

- it's the woman's fault, she was totally asking for it
- his action was harmless, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- women elsewhere have it worse, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- arguing against groping drunk naked strangers is the same as denying personal responsibility
- men are "lions in a den", but women need to stop being stupid and be responsible, because we certainly can't ask men to do that
- if you want to talk about "women's issues" you need to pick a nice and easy example that everyone can agree on (so you don't have to spend so much time on that unimportant crap)
- this woman's behavior after the fact is somehow deeply relevant to what others may think of her being groped (i.e. she is some kind of team mascot)
- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.

The "vast majority" of women drink to get laid? For real? 1) How is that possibly true, 2) is that invented fact supposed to make it okay when people grope drunk women? Because "looking to get laid" means being fair game to anyone within groping distance?

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:05 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fully dressed & working as a journalist is a far cry from drunk, barely dressed, on a stage & baring her backside. A quick butt slap or even a grab is far from a violent gang rape.

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On the continuum. Same excuses. In some societies and cultures throughout history, a bare head or ankle was enough to incite male lust and of course, the women were 'asking for it' 'knew what the consequences were' 'shouldn't have been there and doing that'

Same deal.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:18 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm just saying that if she was dressed in a burkah in public where there are half a million horny male hands and also kids present, maybe her ass wouldn't have been grabbed.

It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dress how she pleases without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

Make sense now?

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 3:54 PM

Quote:
- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.

Does anyone really deny this though ? I mean, you go the first part right, 'bout making it obscure. Rape use to be called Rape. Now it's called 'assault' which also includes all manner of unwanted contact.

Basically, any man who had 'bad , adult feelings ' for a female, and she didn't want those , from him, is now an assault.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:14 PM

Oops. Big fail.

Rappy can't distinguish between feelings and actions.

Like to find an occasion when someone was found guilty of assault for having feelings.

SIMONWHO

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:34 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Does anyone really deny this though ? I mean, you go the first part right, 'bout making it obscure. Rape use to be called Rape. Now it's called 'assault' which also includes all manner of unwanted contact.

Basically, any man who had 'bad , adult feelings ' for a female, and she didn't want those , from him, is now an assault.

Rape is still called rape. Sexual assault is so labelled as to distinguish it from the sort of assault where you're trying to bash the other person. And to imply that men are simply unable to resist touching a woman dancing in front of them when scantily clad is an insult to our gender.

Why is it important? Because it makes it clear that there's a line and that line is you're not allowed to grab, spank or squeeze a woman's body (or a man's) without her consent. Dancing to music isn't consent (sad that this needs to be spelled out), no matter what her outfit. Do you think she was giving consent to everyone in the crowd to grab her backside? Of course not.

WISHIMAY

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 7:42 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

Welcome. How did you find this site? Have you been here before? THGRRI? Does it stand for Trolls Have Gorram Repeat Responsibility Indefinitely? And which American way? The radical Tea Party one? The downtrodden masses one? The elitist we-know-what's-best-for-you Left or Right one?
See, timing is everything, and apparently you will pan out as nothing.
Very weak try at a new ident.

*snort. Sorry, that's a bit funny.

As to the rest of the argument, I'm a bit known for my lack of faith in humanity. See, if you live in the bad side of town and you leave your door unlocked *GUESS WHAT* eventually yer stuffs gonna get pinched. You can blather on about society and it's responsibility, but at the end of the day it's up to YOU to look out for YOU. Same goes for the girl. We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES. I recommend a layer of clothing BIGGER than a couple inches on all relevant parts, and some self defense training, so that when a guy grabs your ass you can sidle up to him, smile and THEN knee him in the crotch! Then you've taught that guy a valuable lesson to keep his dirty hands to himself...PRICELESS!

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:48 PM

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One of my coworkers - a brilliant young man - had a serious drinking problem.

My uncle, not a brilliant young man and pretty screwed up with drug use, alcohol, and a number of perversions, had a serious drinking problem.

My dad and his mother found him face down on the floor of his kitchen. He had been dead for two days before anyone thought to look for him.

That's why we have his cat now.

My other grandmother lived through a quintuple bypass, multiple car wrecks, a couple hospital induced morphine overdoses. She had a serious drinking problem.

We begged her to quit, and for a while, it seemed like she had. But she developed dementia, which began to get worse and worse. Eventually, she had a stroke, and for two months we had to take care of her while she couldn't sleep though the night, didn't know where she was, she was terrified, and she also peed on all of our furniture in her confusion.

Her feet started turning purple and necrotizing from yet more blood clots. We took her to the hospital, and while we were trying to figure out whether to amputate her affected limbs because they were rotting and getting gangrene, she died. She died unhappy, troubled, befuddled, and in pain.

As it turned out, we later found two ginormous bottles of vodka in her closet, one was almost empty. The alcohol had interacted with the heart medication she was on, causing her dementia and the blood clots.

*Pointed look at Jack*

BYTEMITE

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:02 PM

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It makes me wonder why women here are fighting me on this. Is it truly your dream for your daughter to be living in a world where she's free to dance on a speaker at a concert in Stripper Gear without worrying about somebody grabbing her ass????

Hey six, if you got drunk and stripped down to your boxers, and they became a bit dislodged in the commotion, and an ugly girl took the opportunity to grab your ass, would you be happy about that?

Or what if it was a guy? Would you be happy about that? Would you just quietly accept that his horny behaviour was a natural consequence of you acting and dressing like that?

I apologize in advance if it turns out this question isn't hypothetical and that has actually happened to you before.

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 9:14 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Quote:
One of my coworkers - a brilliant young man - had a serious drinking problem.

My uncle, not a brilliant young man and pretty screwed up with drug use, alcohol, and a number of perversions, had a serious drinking problem.

My dad and his mother found him face down on the floor of his kitchen. He had been dead for two days before anyone thought to look for him.

That's why we have his cat now.

My other grandmother lived through a quintuple bypass, multiple car wrecks, a couple hospital induced morphine overdoses. She had a serious drinking problem.

We begged her to quit, and for a while, it seemed like she had. But she developed dementia, which began to get worse and worse. Eventually, she had a stroke, and for two months we had to take care of her while she couldn't sleep though the night, didn't know where she was, she was terrified, and she also peed on all of our furniture in her confusion.

Her feet started turning purple and necrotizing from yet more blood clots. We took her to the hospital, and while we were trying to figure out whether to amputate her affected limbs because they were rotting and getting gangrene, she died. She died unhappy, troubled, befuddled, and in pain.

As it turned out, we later found two ginormous bottles of vodka in her closet, one was almost empty. The alcohol had interacted with the heart medication she was on, causing her dementia and the blood clots.

*Pointed look at Jack*

I had two relatives who died of alcohol-related illnesses. A third has her alcoholism seriously interfering with her cancer treatment. A fourth is the Unfavourite Uncle, used to be the Cool Uncle but just drifted off the path to where he is middle-aged, visibly affected by his years of intake, utterly aimless, utterly unreliable and still in denial about the whole thing.

And it really does have a visible physical toll.

I just can't imagine quitting a job that requires you to adhere to a certain routine and responsibility, without having a new job waiting, would be a good idea when substance abuse is involved. More free time, more isolation, less accountability = more opportunity to drink and fading motivation to get back into a healthier routine.

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:03 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

Welcome. How did you find this site? Have you been here before? THGRRI? Does it stand for Trolls Have Gorram Repeat Responsibility Indefinitely? And which American way? The radical Tea Party one? The downtrodden masses one? The elitist we-know-what's-best-for-you Left or Right one?
See, timing is everything, and apparently you will pan out as nothing.
Very weak try at a new ident.

*snort. Sorry, that's a bit funny.

As to the rest of the argument, I'm a bit known for my lack of faith in humanity. See, if you live in the bad side of town and you leave your door unlocked *GUESS WHAT* eventually yer stuffs gonna get pinched. You can blather on about society and it's responsibility, but at the end of the day it's up to YOU to look out for YOU. Same goes for the girl. We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES. I recommend a layer of clothing BIGGER than a couple inches on all relevant parts, and some self defense training, so that when a guy grabs your ass you can sidle up to him, smile and THEN knee him in the crotch! Then you've taught that guy a valuable lesson to keep his dirty hands to himself...PRICELESS!

Yeah is was funny. My first contact with chrisisall. Anyway...

Women have to draw the lines on how they wish to be treated and men do not have a say. Anything else is like a white person suggesting to a black person what it is to be black which is absurd. The thing is, after the lines are drawn they get blurred and not just by men. I look at that video without even hitting play and I can say she is not acting wisely and the guy is a pig. Some will see it differently and transform this into a national or global perspective on how poorly women are treated. I do not see it that way. I like what you say wishimay when you suggest “a guy” being disrespectful and how "a" women should respond. When dealing with assaults on college campuses investigations show if you have thirty rapes a year it is the same four guys doing it. “Those are made up numbers to make a point” but the point is valid.

si shen

AGENTROUKA

Wednesday, June 11, 2014 10:59 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
We can pretend that all men are capable of keeping hands to themselves or we can recognize reality for what it is and PROTECT OURSELVES.

It's now about ignoring the flawed reality. It's about not legitimizing it by erasing the expectation that yes, men are fully capable of self-control. Some just choose not to exercise that self-control. Denying their responsibility is basically a social sanction of transgressive behavior.

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and some self defense training, so that when a guy grabs your ass you can sidle up to him, smile and THEN knee him in the crotch! Then you've taught that guy a valuable lesson to keep his dirty hands to himself...PRICELESS!

That's a sweet fantasy but it's not really how it works out in reality, either. Getting that close to a person who's likely to be taller and stronger and already has enough contempt for you to grope you against your will, and then initiating a violent confrontation? That's probably the first thing a good self-defense class will tell you not to do. For good reason.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:34 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
men are fully capable of self-control. Some just choose not to exercise that self-control. .

I think I've made it CLEAR that I think PEOPLE aren't capable of exercising self control as evidenced EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF THE YEAR. Once AGAIN, read some NEWS!!! There are entire COUNTRIES that have zip in the self-control department!

Sounds like THAT is what makes you mad too, expecting that in this "day and age" we should be, but we're not. We haven't evolved. Deal with it. Expecting people to exercise self-control just because YOU want them to and because they should isn't going to do a damn thing, genius...

By all means, pass the laws and prosecute the people until we catch up. The rest of us will have to look out for ourselves the best we can. Sure as HELL not gonna let my kid dress like a hooker just so we can prove my point. And it would be proved. Cause people are PREDICTABLE!!

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 12, 2014 5:58 AM

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Originally posted by AgentRouka:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
At some point you need to get a little common sense. Get drunk in stripper gear, climb into the lion's enclosure and prance the behind in the lion's face. Problem solved, just sue the lion because a drunki girl is too stupid.
Seems the vast majority of women drink alcohol precisely to get laid, "let go their inhibitions," et al, and then complain they won't get laid when they're sober. Act like an adult, pretend you are responsible for your own behavior, and that women are not too dumb to make their own decisions and stick with them. And then leave this girl alone because she's not in your camp.

I love how this thread could be so simple ("Yeah, that guy should definitely not have touched her") and instead so many people seem compelled to add qualifiers:

- it's the woman's fault, she was totally asking for it
- his action was harmless, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- women elsewhere have it worse, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- arguing against groping drunk naked strangers is the same as denying personal responsibility
- men are "lions in a den", but women need to stop being stupid and be responsible, because we certainly can't ask men to do that
- if you want to talk about "women's issues" you need to pick a nice and easy example that everyone can agree on (so you don't have to spend so much time on that unimportant crap)
- this woman's behavior after the fact is somehow deeply relevant to what others may think of her being groped (i.e. she is some kind of team mascot)
- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.

The "vast majority" of women drink to get laid? For real? 1) How is that possibly true, 2) is that invented fact supposed to make it okay when people grope drunk women? Because "looking to get laid" means being fair game to anyone within groping distance?

Tell me how many women you know do not drink to get "in the mood?" Really? Nobody? Less than half?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:44 AM

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Originally posted by SimonWho:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

Does anyone really deny this though ? I mean, you go the first part right, 'bout making it obscure. Rape use to be called Rape. Now it's called 'assault' which also includes all manner of unwanted contact.

Basically, any man who had 'bad , adult feelings ' for a female, and she didn't want those , from him, is now an assault.

Rape is still called rape.

Never hear that in the US MSM. I occasionally listen to Auzzie radio, and love how they give descriptions of perps by ACTUALLY TELLING FOLKS WHAT THE PERPS LOOK LIKE! It's amazing.

If a blonde white woman is seen shoplifting, they'll say ' blonde white woman'. Same goes if it's a black man seen exiting a building, prior to a suspicious fire... yep. 'black man seen leaving... '.

Wish they still did that here.

1KIKI

Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:48 AM

I love how this thread could be so simple ("Yeah, that guy should definitely not have touched her") and instead so many people seem compelled to add qualifiers:

- it's the woman's fault, she was totally asking for it
- his action was harmless, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- women elsewhere have it worse, so we shouldn't be talking about it, at all
- arguing against groping drunk naked strangers is the same as denying personal responsibility
- men are "lions in a den", but women need to stop being stupid and be responsible, because we certainly can't ask men to do that
- if you want to talk about "women's issues" you need to pick a nice and easy example that everyone can agree on (so you don't have to spend so much time on that unimportant crap)
- this woman's behavior after the fact is somehow deeply relevant to what others may think of her being groped (i.e. she is some kind of team mascot)
- "Sexual assault" is a purposefully vague term designed to oppress men because it makes it difficult to distinguished between bad forms of unwanted sexual contact and totally acceptable forms of unwanted sexual contact that men are simply entitled to if women act a certain way.

The "vast majority" of women drink to get laid? For real? 1) How is that possibly true, 2) is that invented fact supposed to make it okay when people grope drunk women? Because "looking to get laid" means being fair game to anyone within groping distance?

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

CHRISISALL

Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:03 AM

This is the crazy that is our world now.

Basically: Do NOT touch my car, my food or my ASS without permission.

This is apparently a very hard concept for some.

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, June 12, 2014 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
men are fully capable of self-control. Some just choose not to exercise that self-control. .

I think I've made it CLEAR that I think PEOPLE aren't capable of exercising self control as evidenced EVERY SINGLE FUCKING DAY OF THE YEAR. Once AGAIN, read some NEWS!!! There are entire COUNTRIES that have zip in the self-control department!

Sounds like THAT is what makes you mad too, expecting that in this "day and age" we should be, but we're not. We haven't evolved. Deal with it. Expecting people to exercise self-control just because YOU want them to and because they should isn't going to do a damn thing, genius...

By all means, pass the laws and prosecute the people until we catch up. The rest of us will have to look out for ourselves the best we can. Sure as HELL not gonna let my kid dress like a hooker just so we can prove my point. And it would be proved. Cause people are PREDICTABLE!!

Were you too busy foaming at the mouth to properly read what I wrote? I get that I'm not your favorite person in the world, being mean to poor Six, but geez.

Why are you trying to turn this into a false dilemma where you can either have a social expectation that men are in general fully capable of self-control OR we make choices to protect ourselves in an imperfect world?

I said we should not ignore reality.

But neither should we surrender to the just as false idea that men just can't help it. That is just as blatantly wrong. But that wrong idea affects how we deal with reality, whether we call something inevitable and harmless or whether we don't. Whether we give respect to victims or not. What we teach boys and girls is acceptable or not. Right now we send the message that women are to blame when they are assaulted. That's sick.

And no, I don't think history is a linear march from primitive to sophisticated. But since you cite "countries", considering how stark the differences between some societies are, how big a difference can exist in the same country within mere decades, you really don't think our social expectations play a role? People are capable of a wide range of behaviors, as they have always been. Self-control and choices play a role in that all the time.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, June 12, 2014 4:49 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is the crazy that is our world now.

Basically: Do NOT touch my car, my food or my ASS without permission.

This is apparently a very hard concept for some.

It is. Children have to be taught to share, but also the concept of asking for permission, and ownership. It can be confusing. When dealing with young , ill mannered and inebriated adults, they often revert to their toddler stage, 'see something, grab something. '

No, I'm not a sociologist, or even a psychologist, but I play one on the interwebs.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AgentRouka:

But neither should we surrender to the just as false idea that men just can't help it. Right now we send the message that women are to blame when they are assaulted. That's sick.

you really don't think our social expectations play a role?

I may not blame them for the assault, but I sure as hell can question their actions in certain cases, and so should society...
"Hey, why were you half naked in a crowd of drunken horndogs?? Ya don't think mebbe that was a questionable decision??"

**If the clothes you wear (or lack thereof) are attention seeking you probably shouldn't be surprised when you get negative attention.**

The fallacy lies in teaching ANYONE they are safe in a crowd, and especially when half naked, be it guy or girl... One out of four people has a mental disorder, and therefore may not be capable of acting rational or controlling impulse. Standing in a crowd of people SHOULD make you be on guard. Let your hair down someplace you are safe, not in the middle of a bunch or drunken idiots...

Edit: Hubby just brought up a valid point. "If you are standing in a crowd you protect yer wallet, doncha? Well, same thing applies to yer ass and for the same reason..."

BYTEMITE

Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:03 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Tell me how many women you know do not drink to get "in the mood?" Really? Nobody? Less than half?

I find myself a bit troubled by the kinds of women many of the guys here on the board associate with.

Do you all just go to bars to pick up the chicks or something? Because they're probably not drinking to get in the mood.

Let alone how having to have a drink to "get in the mood" suggests that the women in question find the activity deeply unpleasant on some level. Drinking is what you do to numb the pain and block shit out.

Or maybe this is some kind of generation gap, where the women drink a priori during dates because they're "obligated" to engage in coitus.

That would explain most of this conversation, though Jack... I think Jack is just messed up and hangs out with equally broken people.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:08 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
This is the crazy that is our world now.

Basically: Do NOT touch my car, my food or my ASS without permission.

This is apparently a very hard concept for some.

I stole a french fry when you weren't looking. It was very good. *katsup'd*

WISHIMAY

Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:16 PM

Sex is better when you drink, hon. Relaxes you so you can orgasm with no problems, inhibitions are lowered so your less likely to have a problem with your partner, and more likely to give into the more freaky fantasies hiding in the back of your brain...

*cough* If you'll 'scuse me, wow do I need to go pick up some Rum Chata, and arrange for a babysitter

BYTEMITE

Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:18 PM

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"Hey, why were you half naked in a crowd of drunken horndogs?? Ya don't think mebbe that was a questionable decision??"

Because she herself was drunk, and unable to make sound decisions, and as such stripping herself of clothing and dancing seemed like a good idea at the time? What are we saying here, don't get drunk or you'll get raped?

Now, I don't drink, and maybe I don't have all the insights the rest of you do on this matter. But based on observations of others and various depictions in the media, I had thought half-naked dancing was fairly common drunk behaviour. And I would also like to think that most of us could agree that the consequences of someone getting drunk shouldn't be rape or sexual assault. Whether or not they had all their clothes on at the time.

BYTEMITE

Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:25 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
better when you drink, hon.

That's unscientific. Women who take drugs to improve their "relations" tend to take STIMULANT drugs. Because STIMULANTS. Increases the sensations. Alcohol is a DEPRESSANT, it's like putting a haze over everything.

I knew a guy on a messageboard with a intersexed girlfriend, and they took meth as their primary enhancement. Granted, he was an idiot, but still, what you're saying doesn't actually make sense - the intensity of the climax is directly related to the tension that exists beforehand. As a woman you don't WANT it relaxed.

A guy on the other hand might actually want to drink because anxiety redirects the blood elsewhere among other issues. But it would also dull their excitement in the end.

I'm again suspecting a generation gap may be at work here. That or race.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:26 PM

Agreed. Yes,determined by consensus.

si shen

AGENTROUKA

Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Tell me how many women you know do not drink to get "in the mood?" Really? Nobody? Less than half?

A lot? Most of them? Where do you get these ideas?

The women I know and have known primarily drink in the company of other women, actually. And not to get in the mood for same-sex relations, either. Then there's the glass of wine for dinner, the occasional unwinding beer after work or on a summer weekend afternoon. They drink to enjoy the buzz.

I'd say very few women drink to "get in the mood". They might combine social drinking and looking for casual sex in a certain setting, and a couple having a fun evening might enjoy some alcohol to enhance the mood but I can honestly not think of a case where a woman I know went for alcohol specifically TO have sex.

And I can't imagine why they would, unless it was to suppress serious discomfort with the idea.

Especially since I agree both with Wish and Byte.

A little alcohol can enhance sex because it dulls distracting thoughts (money, job, kids, illness, any stress) but a lot of alcohol actually makes it less great because it dulls sensation, coordination and just makes you sleepy rather than energetic.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:19 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

That's unscientific. Women who take drugs to improve their "relations" tend to take STIMULANT drugs. Because STIMULANTS. Increases the sensations. Alcohol is a DEPRESSANT, it's like putting a haze over everything.

Stimulants don't increase sensation, they increase blood flow. I feel LESS when I'm hyper, kinda like getting a cut you don't notice 'till later. Going slower increases sensation during sex because your brain has more time to process and react. Stimulants just get you there faster, not necessarily BETTER... But, maybe some people like that.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Tell me how many women you know do not drink to get "in the mood?" Really? Nobody? Less than half?

If there is thorough research showing all or even most women drink as a prerequisite to sex please share it. I have no knowledge why women do what they do. I only know if I do something why I do it.

si shen

BYTEMITE

Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:07 PM

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because your brain has more time to process and react

Uhh... Your brain reactions are slowed too.

And no, stimulants like amphetamines don't just increase blood flow. Amphetamines interact with dopamine at recreational doses. Ecstasy also does this.

If you're affecting neurotransmitters and the actual nerve impulses as well, it's not just a matter of being "sped up." There's also emotional and sensory effects to that as well, which is why the behaviour of people under the influence of those drugs can be erratic.

Alcohol AND stimulants are also universally neurotoxins and it's generally unwise to use them regularly at doses high enough to induce a behavioural effect. Not that this particular fact ever seems to stop anyone.

WISHIMAY

Thursday, June 12, 2014 11:23 PM

All I know is couple drinks+me and hubbs= guaranteed good time. For BOTH of us...

He takes a stimulant and he's done two minutes later.

I'll take 20 minutes of fun slow haze over two minutes of "trash can" sex any day.

'Course, with both of us being on the spectrum and things tend to have opposite effects it could be we are different, but not what I hear from other girls I know...

How'd we get on this subject again??

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, June 13, 2014 12:25 AM

Well don't look at me, who needs intoxicants when you've all manner of Tantric freaky to play with...

That said, chronic pain and booze is a bad combo, aye - and of course the chronic pain leads to stress, which leads to heart problems, which leads to more stress and pain, and so forth and so on till the bottle is the only comfort a lotta them people got left cause of the asinine puritannical notion that suffering is good for you, which while soundly debunked by science and even the most basic use of logic and/or empathy, makes a handy excuse for dodging the bullet of the rapacious and murderously fanatical DEA and their "War on (some) Drugs"...

Ain't that they're unaware it's killing them, it's that they want to not suffer, and if the "cost" is a quicker death than days of screaming agony, cheap at the freakin price, you know ?

Of course, in Jacks case it's all about trying to deny that his own choices lead him down the merry path, chasing things he thought he wanted instead of the things he really did, and now that his misery has reached a nadir he's caught between attention whoring and masochism in between bouts of the bottle, which makes him too pathetic for me to get any enjoyment out of flailing his dumb ass so I pay him little mind, if any.

As to peoples behavior having anything to do about the state of someone elses clothing, I call bullshit, always have - blaming others for ones own lack of basic self control is inexcuseable, I don't go around choke-slamming people for being ignorant malicious gits who spread nothing but hate and misery, no matter how much I'd like to, so y'all can keep yer damn hands to yourself, I figure.

-Frem

BYTEMITE

Friday, June 13, 2014 12:48 AM

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Ain't that they're unaware it's killing them, it's that they want to not suffer, and if the "cost" is a quicker death than days of screaming agony, cheap at the freakin price, you know ?

Yeah, and I understand that. I even understand people who don't have chronic pain and drink. Or people who have a lot of emotional pain and drink. Or people who are really bored like Jack.

I suppose I should have said more that the neurotoxin thing is why I don't drink... Although considering at this point I require caffeine to remain conscious, I also suppose I'm being kind of a hypocrite. Caffeine isn't really all that healthy either.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:17 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

I'll take 20 minutes of fun slow haze over two minutes of "trash can" sex any day.

'Course, with both of us being on the spectrum and things tend to have opposite effects it could be we are different, but not what I hear from other girls I know...

Not familiar with trash can sex, nor spectrum in this context. Can you clarify please?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:23 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Originally posted by Wishimay:
better when you drink, hon.

That's unscientific. Women who take drugs to improve their "relations" tend to take STIMULANT drugs. Because STIMULANTS. Increases the sensations. Alcohol is a DEPRESSANT, it's like putting a haze over everything.

Alcohol lowers their inhibitions. That is their reason, from what they've told me, and I've seen.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:25 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Tell me how many women you know do not drink to get "in the mood?" Really? Nobody? Less than half?

I find myself a bit troubled by the kinds of women many of the guys here on the board associate with.

Do you all just go to bars to pick up the chicks or something? Because they're probably not drinking to get in the mood.

Let alone how having to have a drink to "get in the mood" suggests that the women in question find the activity deeply unpleasant on some level. Drinking is what you do to numb the pain and block shit out.

Or maybe this is some kind of generation gap, where the women drink a priori during dates because they're "obligated" to engage in coitus.

That would explain most of this conversation, though Jack... I think Jack is just messed up and hangs out with equally broken people.

I haven't been in every state in the union, but I still must wonder, what the heck state are you in?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:28 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
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Originally posted by AgentRouka:

But neither should we surrender to the just as false idea that men just can't help it. Right now we send the message that women are to blame when they are assaulted. That's sick.

you really don't think our social expectations play a role?

I may not blame them for the assault, but I sure as hell can question their actions in certain cases, and so should society...
"Hey, why were you half naked in a crowd of drunken horndogs?? Ya don't think mebbe that was a questionable decision??"

**If the clothes you wear (or lack thereof) are attention seeking you probably shouldn't be surprised when you get negative attention.**

The fallacy lies in teaching ANYONE they are safe in a crowd, and especially when half naked, be it guy or girl... One out of four people has a mental disorder, and therefore may not be capable of acting rational or controlling impulse. Standing in a crowd of people SHOULD make you be on guard. Let your hair down someplace you are safe, not in the middle of a bunch or drunken idiots...

Edit: Hubby just brought up a valid point. "If you are standing in a crowd you protect yer wallet, doncha? Well, same thing applies to yer ass and for the same reason..."

Thanks, Wish. You and your hubby seem the most reasonable participants in this discussion, and feminazis hearing the facts from a woman is far more palatable than from a guy.

WISHIMAY

Sunday, June 15, 2014 3:35 AM

I'm mildly Dyspraxic, and hubby has Aspergers which are both part of the autism spectrum. In certain ones, and not all, things like caffeine tend to have the opposite effect in that it make them calmer (because parts of their brains are running full tilt which is why they have problems dealing with things outside their brain because the inside is running overtime on other things) and the caffeine tends to bring everything up to speed and improve overall function.

Jack lives in the same damnable state I do, but because he's a guy and he drinks doesn't tend to notice how nuts people are, but I been told that the other half of the state is slightly better, so I dunno... I've noticed that when people are forced to co-habitate in large numbers (depending on the dominate DNA patterns of course) that the social intelligence tends to rise slowly, and all I know is these people don't do social OR intelligence o.O

As for the last thing, thank you. I stopped worrying years ago about the messages I send out because it tends to confuse everything else. Look to yerself. I think some people take "Do unto others as you would have done to you" as a personal challenge in that they really want everything done in the way that they would have it done....for them.....
Humans....

AURAPTOR

Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:04 AM

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Drinking is what you do to numb the pain and block shit out.

Really? I didn't get that memo.

Is that how the " professionals " do it ?

REAVERFAN

Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:08 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

You are wrong. This is sexual assault because the Feminazis say so. The whole purpose of making every conceivable slight grouped as sexual assault is to diffuse and lessen the onus of rape. This woman may someday wake up and need easy money and say "hey, I was raped by those two guys, they need to give me money and go to jail." That is the way it works. Rape accusations must be used as a weapon for ugly women to control mankind.

What' the difference between these women and those who wear low-cut cleavage boasting tops and then whine that men are looking at her hooters?
Or women who only want to date guys who beat them up, because that is the only way they know "he really loves me, and makeup sex is great after a good fight" but then complain that he beats her?

You are wrong. Groping anyone, however they're dressed is sexual harassment. You are a very ugly person.

REAVERFAN

Sunday, June 15, 2014 4:09 AM

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:29 AM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

You are wrong. This is sexual assault because the Feminazis say so. The whole purpose of making every conceivable slight grouped as sexual assault is to diffuse and lessen the onus of rape. This woman may someday wake up and need easy money and say "hey, I was raped by those two guys, they need to give me money and go to jail." That is the way it works. Rape accusations must be used as a weapon for ugly women to control mankind.

What' the difference between these women and those who wear low-cut cleavage boasting tops and then whine that men are looking at her hooters?
Or women who only want to date guys who beat them up, because that is the only way they know "he really loves me, and makeup sex is great after a good fight" but then complain that he beats her?
You are wrong. Groping anyone, however they're dressed is sexual harassment. You are a very ugly person.

It's a psychopath, best not to make eye contact. Back away slowly....

WISHIMAY

Sunday, June 15, 2014 11:45 AM

If you walk into a ghetto with hundred dollah bills pinned to your shirt, does ANYONE really think you gonna walk out of that ghetto with what you came in there with?

Only a naïve fool...

If you walk into danger knowing the risk, but you do it anyway, does calling you a "victim" fix anything? Are you any less of an idiot? Do you really think that girl thought her mostly naked ass would go untouched when she was six inches away from a row of horny idiots????

This isn't about compassion, this is about common sense. His sin was lust and narcissism and hers was exhibitionism and lack of self protection. She made the choice. Did she deserve the consequences? NO. Are there consequences, regardless? USUALLY.

*PRETENDING PEOPLE ARE SANE IN THE FACE OF OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE TO THE CONTRARY IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY*

By all means, keep on getting outraged when people do what they've been known to do since the beginning of time...

BYTEMITE

Sunday, June 15, 2014 12:04 PM

Whoa now. You might be surprised to know that sometimes I think a victim totally does deserve what happens to them, especially if they're a particular level of jerkass, stupid, or both.

I just don't really think we can blame someone whose drunk for whatever actions they take that might lead to someone else doing something. That's like blaming someone with crippling schizophrenia for being homeless. I'd only feel comfortable blaming them if they were also a total shithead.

And when you're talking sexual assault, rape, or murder, that's a next level up from your example of getting mugged. In fact, I'd even score rape and sexual assault on another level from even murder, because I can think of some people who deserve murder, but no one who deserves that level of humiliating violation. You don't have to live with murder.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, June 15, 2014 12:34 PM

C'mon now, if we stopped blaming women for being harrassed and raped, then the men who do it would have to take responsibility. But they can't you see. If they get aroused, they'll just rape ya. It's in their nature. Horny little bastards. I mean really, they are so uncontrollable and uncontained, they really should all either

a) live on an island somewhere
b) come back to society only if they have their gonads cut off

because to expect them not to grope and rape and hurt is really asking too much.

Boys will be boys.

1KIKI

Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:03 PM

Wish

That whole train of thought is why women are made to wear burqahs. Because men just can't control themselves, women must be made to cover themselves from head to toe. And never go out in public without a male relative. And submit to the requirements of their owners ... I mean, fathers, brothers, husbands and sons. Just so, yanno, the men aren't tempted beyond their feeble limits into sin. That's why women must be treated like voiceless chattel. To protect men from themselves.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, June 16, 2014 3:36 AM

Exactly right

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 4:12 AM

From what I've seen there MUST be a gene in many Arabic and Indian men that has hormones that make them less intelligent and more aggressive when they get aroused... (relics of primitive man)

They can go to work, be married, raise kids, graduate college, and when not aroused KNOW that rape is wrong, but the second it goes up and that predatory chance happens their IQ goes DOWN... (even if they DON'T know it is wrong they still know they go to jail if they get caught so they know they SHOULDN'T do it)

I think it's the same reason why the Germans went after the Jews. They had to know that Jewish people are less apt to fight back...

Like I said, you can expect people do MANY things, but they are going to do whatever they want to do. I can expect when I tell my kids' teachers about her learning disability and I print out the info, and I bring it in there and explain that they should be able to get it. They don't. Only ONE teacher in the last six years has tried.

By NOW every man in our society KNOWS rape is wrong. But it still happens!
WHY IS THAT??

1. Either they lack the mental process to fully realize it to begin with.
2. Something else happens that we don't fully understand when they get horny.

You can stand there and smack their hands when they do something they KNOW is wrong, or you can protect yourself. I choose to be proactive. You choose to rail against the horrors and the flaws in human thinking or physiology.

WHICH ONE MAKES MORE SENSE???

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 4:18 AM

I really think you all think that

fully formed human=capability of rationality in all cases.

YOU COULDN'T be further from the truth if you tried.

Yes, they should still be punished for wrongdoing, but sometimes there are hidden processes at work in DNA, in brain working and chemistry that come into play that we just don't fully understand...

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 4:25 AM

The same argument also applies to women too. Women are less likely to fight back, more likely to back down, more likely to poison people instead of other kinds of murder, less likely to be tall, more likely to do better in all subjects in school than men, ect...

Why is it such a stretch that men are more likely to be unreasonably sexually aggressive as a result of survival of the fittest??

Eons ago, the men who conquered more and were more aggressive spread more DNA and enhanced their own survival. It's not that hard for me to believe that we are still seeing those traits even today...

1KIKI

Monday, June 16, 2014 4:56 AM

That whole thing about aggressive men and their DNA - it's an idea dating from the late 1800s and easily challenged with a little logic. Can you imagine a female way back in evolutionary past - prey to all those sexually aggressive males? So there she is - one in the oven, one in her arms so she's not going to be doing much, one barely toddling and putting EVERYthing in the mouth, two playing at will and MAYBE one or two older ones actually helping her gather food. How do they get enough food to survive?

It's not how many children are BORN that determines whose DNA gets passed along - it's how many of those children SURVIVE to pass that DNA along ... and so on generation to generation.

The whole idea of a rapist gender isn't sustainable in evolutionary terms.

OONJERAH - We are too dumb to live and smart enough to wipe ourselves out.

"You, who live in any kind of comfort or convenience, do not know how these people can survive these things, do you? They will endure because there is no immediate escape from endurance. Some will die, the rest must live."

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, June 16, 2014 5:45 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
From what I've seen there MUST be a gene in many Arabic and Indian men that has hormones that make them less intelligent and more aggressive when they get aroused... (relics of primitive man)

OMG I can't believe you posted such shit.

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 16, 2014 6:38 AM

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fully formed human=capability of rationality in all cases.

YOU COULDN'T be further from the truth if you tried.

Yes, they should still be punished for wrongdoing, but sometimes there are hidden processes at work in DNA, in brain working and chemistry that come into play that we just don't fully understand...

I think the main problem with this argument is that we're equating "gets drunk and takes their clothes off" irrational lack of control with "gets drunk and rape-y" irrational lack of control.

One of those we absolutely SHOULD prosecute, regardless of the events or "enticements" that might have led up to that situation. The other one doesn't hurt anyone, except maybe our eyes and sanity.

Also, there's a pretty major difference in culture, so while tendencies might exist in a lot of the male population, it's more that certain cultures are a lot more permissive and encouraging that kind of behaviour than certain racial genes are more primitive and rapey.

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 16, 2014 6:45 AM

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Why is it such a stretch that men are more likely to be unreasonably sexually aggressive as a result of survival of the fittest??

Actually, no. Rape has very little to do with producing children. Many rape victims die from their injuries, and there's also a suicide risk from the emotional trauma. And, well, Todd Akins is full of shit and you CAN actually conceive from a rape, but the incidence of successful implantation and pregnancy from rape is actually a little bit lower compared to a regular pregnancy (again due to the trauma from the event - lots of body resources going to recovery, very little towards sustaining a pregnancy).

But this difference is actually peanuts really - both the incidence rates of pregnancy are incredibly low, in that a non-rape scenario is about 3%, and a rape scenario is 1%.

What is most likely to produce children is actual relationships persisting at least two years, as young infants are rather hard for a single parent to deal with, and two parents (or a community) trading off responsibility is a lot more successful a model. Not to mention, you have to have sex with the same person a LOT of times to actually cause a pregnancy, so a one time rape just doesn't cut it.

Your scenario and evolutionary biology theory would be more correct if very young humans were capable of running and feeding themselves early on and required little parental involvement or allocation of resources.

The best a rape might do is mitigate the rapists feelings of inferiority or evolutionary dead-end-ness, but really that's probably not on the top of their minds when they're doing it.

The biggest problem with rape is more a tendency for rage and entitlement issues to transform abruptly into sexual aggression, or for both parties to be too drunk to recognize a clear "no" signal from one of the parties and stop. Neither of which are intrinsically a male problem.

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 6:57 AM

Aaaand yet there's this "Rape conception happens between 25,000 and 32,000 times each year in the U.S"

Yeah, no way those genes didn't become exponentially dominant. And this is in our "rational, modern society" BTW

And as for Magons, I could care less what you think I will be proved right in time.

If you don't get that there are vast genetic differences in different cultures.... WOW ARE YOU PHYSICALLY BLIND!

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 16, 2014 6:59 AM

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Aaaand yet there's this "Rape conception happens between 25,000 and 32,000 times each year in the U.S"

Compare regular conception rates and numbers. Those numbers are tiny.

Second, you're saying rape is intrinsic to males genes, and now you're arguing that "rape genes" are being propagated through the population by rape. You're contradicting yourself. Pick one or the other.

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:00 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

If you don't get that there are vast genetic differences in different cultures.... WOW ARE YOU PHYSICALLY BLIND!

Apparently less than 1% difference now means "vast."

And that's comparing us to CHIMPANZEES.

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:08 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

It's not how many children are BORN that determines whose DNA gets passed along - it's how many of those children SURVIVE to pass that DNA along ... and so on generation to generation.

The whole idea of a rapist gender isn't sustainable in evolutionary terms.

A Russian woman gave birth to 69 children in the 1700s. She holds the record for the largest number of children born to one mother. The wife of Feodor Vassilyev gave birth to 16 pairs of twins, seven sets of triplets and four sets of quadruplets between 1725 and 1765. 67 of them survived infancy.

Larger families only increased your chances of survival THEN. More people to grow or find food, more chances of having allies...

If we produce 30,000 children of rape a year NOW, imagine how many there were in medieval times...

BYTEMITE

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:12 AM

You're still not correctly judging those rape pregnancies relative to the number of regular pregnancies, even assuming that there are rape genes (there aren't).

Secondly, the fact that rape rates can decrease indicates a flaw in your argument that men just rape. If they had no control in it, the rates would never change.

And lastly, a declining frequency of a gene (again assuming that there are rape genes, which there isn't) indicates a lack of evolutionary success with those genes.

I'm actually pretty sure at this point that you're joking about all of this and being controversial for the lulz. This is fine, you have to occupy your time somehow and considering the difficulty in your life I am in no place to judge.

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:17 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:

Second, you're saying rape is intrinsic to males genes, and now you're arguing that "rape genes" are being propagated through the population by rape.

No, I'm saying certain populations of males are more inclined to be sexually aggressive.

Men in prisons are more likely to be rapists, yes?? Why is it any less understandable there could be areas of males population on the rest of the planet that are inclined to be rapists? Maybe they are in the same geographic location that a prison was, or maybe men that were criminals were thrown into the desert?

Genetics don't go far. I have my great great great grandmothers large butt. I'm sure if you go thousands of years back in time you would find one of my female ancestors has a large butt as well...

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:26 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
You're still not correctly judging those rape pregnancies relative to the number of regular pregnancies, even assuming that there are rape genes (there aren't).

Helloooooo? Violent men are more likely to be rapists....

If there could be a genetic predilection for violence, why can't there be a genetic predilection for people who commit rape?

http://bonjukianpatten.com/2014/05/15/the-white-jacksons-of-north-caro
lina-a-family-of-rapists/

Having trouble locating a couple others, but look at Castro, he had relatives arrested for rape, as did Josh Powell and his freaky father...

Rape is sexual perversion, and that DEFINATELY is a gene...

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:37 AM

Hell, you yourself outta know. You say you have no desire to breed and very little to no desire for sexual relations. You don't think THAT'S genetic? It relates to the way your body funtions, which is controlled by DNA???

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:43 AM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
Secondly, the fact that rape rates can decrease indicates a flaw in your argument that men just rape. If they had no control in it, the rates would never change.

Rape rates can decrease because men have found other things to fill their time (porn), and there is some awareness that it is wrong due to levels of education, and that we've gotten better at throwing their dumb asses in prison...

Don't mean the DESIRE isn't still there. Violent porn wouldn't be so popular if it wasn't...

WISHIMAY

Monday, June 16, 2014 7:49 AM

http://listtoptens.com/top-10-countries-with-highest-rape-crime/

If many Muslims thought rape was a man's fault it would be on this list...

If men all had the same levels of rape stats over the world there wouldn't be a difference. All countries would be on more or less on par.

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