Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed
POSTED BY: SHINYGOODGUY
UPDATED: Tuesday, August 25, 2026 18:50
VIEWED: 62514
PAGE 3 of 6
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
That's the difference between American cops and British, and I presume, Australian, ones.
I saw an episode of Cops once, the reality/docu-drama about, well, cops, where they followed the London Metropolitan Police around for a week. The bobbies encountered a crazy drunk waving a knife and threatening to kill anyone who bothered him. Bobbie says, "Now, sir, I don't think you really mean that," and talked the drunk into putting down the knife and surrendering. Here in America, it woulda been out with the Glocks and shoot him. Several times.
British cops are not armed, except with the baton thingee. Australian cops are armed, but dont tend to have the same aggression as Americans. But then we dont have a heavily armed population.
You know who is over represented in our prison population - men - they account for 98 % of all prisoners, which lead me to believe that men as a community are not interested in bettering themselves, and are destructive as a gender and they clearly want easy fixes to improve their lot in life.
Nothing will change so long as the men think it is someone else's job to provide for them. Right or wrong that mule they keep speaking about is not coming. It is just what the reality is. Even if they are right nothing is going to change unless they step up to the plate.
In case they haven't noticed it is their lives that are being destroyed, not women's. It's their lives that are disrupted not women. Right or wrong wherever they are they are contained and that is not going to change until they expand their horizons. The world is a hard place.
True, women do live longer than men, but the men of the GOP are doing their level best to make sure that's no longer the case. If men are the problem, they'll surely take it out on the women.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
You know who is over represented in our prison population - men - they account for 98 % of all prisoners, which lead me to believe that men as a community are not interested in bettering themselves, and are destructive as a gender and they clearly want easy fixes to improve their lot in life.
Nothing will change so long as the men think it is someone else's job to provide for them. Right or wrong that mule they keep speaking about is not coming. It is just what the reality is. Even if they are right nothing is going to change unless they step up to the plate.
In case they haven't noticed it is their lives that are being destroyed, not women's. It's their lives that are disrupted not women. Right or wrong wherever they are they are contained and that is not going to change until they expand their horizons. The world is a hard place.
Nice one, Mags. Clever. I plead guilty, but I'm trying to rehabilitate myself.
But ya better watch out. Thug will be insulting you like he has Kiki and Sig and Fern. If you don't like America, maybe you'd better LEAVE it. (OH, you live in Australia-- Well, you'd better leave it FARTHER-- OH, you can't. Well, then you'd better shut up. You don't live here, so you can't possibly understand it. )
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
WeWitless News update--
Latest news-- Gov. orders National Guard deployed in Ferguson. ( from the headline over on CNN.com)
Le'see here. "Militarized policing" didn't work, so the Missouri Highway Patrol took over, commanded by a black guy, with a softer approach. That didn't work out either. SO now they've called out the flat-out military.
" Well, goddammit, Bubba, we ain't shot down ANY of them "BLACK community FOLKS" (We usedta call 'em somethin' diff'rent, back in the Good Old Days.) yet fer riotin' in the streets. Just one fer walkin' in it. When we gonna? Huh? Huh?"
"Purty quick now, Cletus. Maybe we oughtta reactivate thuh Klan-- that kep' them uppity troublemakers under control fer quite a spell."
"Dam' straight, Bubbba. Thass whhut the 'Mperial Grand Dragon Wizzard sez."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
You may think the cost of bread is higher
"Well, then , let zem eat cake..." You tell 'em, Marie. But remember, Miseur Guillotine is waiting ..
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
and one of the reasons I think body cameras are a good idea - shit, *I* wouldn't mind one, cause it would be more efficient than having to whip out and boot up my Vivitar DVR410 when something needs documenting, and I train all my people to behave as if they were on-camera the whole time they're on duty, which is only sensible in that we have a couple of our own and you never know when someone with a cellphone or webcam is going to point it at you, so the simple solution is DON'T DO SHIT YOU DON'T WANT ON TAPE...
Missed this. Exactly right. There was a piece over on Slate.com. advocating that. They cited a town where they did it. Police use of force went down by like 2/3, and complaints went down by like 80 %.
Since Thug doesn't like when I cite anecdotal evidence, I'll have to go over there and provide the link. 'Course that'll still be "anecdotal," but it'll at least be published anecdotal, available to be checked and verified.
And I know I don't have to tell you that. Back in a bit. ( 7:12 AM CA time)
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Nobc - siding with the rule of law, not tolerating looting & violent robbery can't be painted as being " racist ", at any time. Because it isn't. Suggesting such does the opposite of unifying everyone.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
This time, some people are pissed- not because they don't get to ranch their cattle for free on Federal land, but because of routine and (at times) deadly assaults on their life and liberty.
Guns and Molotov cocktails on one side. APCs, assault weapons, helicopters and teargas on the other side. A real test case for using guns to protect your rights. We get to see who wins.
--------------
THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Back with link and quotes 7:20 AM ( Composed starting at 7:20. not posted 'till 7:28)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/08/
we_know_how_to_decrease_police_violence_like_what_we_ve_seen_after_the_michael.html
Policing the Police
Training, retraining, and yet more training are not the way to stop police brutality.
By LaDoris Hazzard Cordell ( I usually include time and date of publication, but it wasn't there on this article. But there's the link
Quote:
Third, and as Reihan Salam argues today in Slate, every single law enforcement officer should be required to wear body-worn cameras, or BWCs; and every single law enforcement agency should adopt a protocol for the operation of these cameras that strictly regulates when the cameras can be turned off by officers. Bystanders with cameras have changed policing forever. Witness the public outrage after the release of videos that depicted the beating of Marlene Pinnock and the chokehold death of Eric Garner. Police officers should have cameras, too.
BWCs promote transparency in policing, they hold officers and the public accountable for their actions, and they reduce civil litigation. The police department of Rialto, California, has 115 sworn officers. In 2009 it became the first known police department to utilize BWCs. A study that analyzed the use of BWCs in Rialto showed that use of force incidents dropped by 59 percent, and that civilian complaints about police misconduct decreased by 87.5 percent. Those numbers are staggering. The benefit to police and the public of recording police interactions clearly justifies its costs. Even the ACLU has concluded that BWCs assist in holding law enforcement more accountable to the communities that they serve.
Use of force incidents went down by 59%, not 2/3, but I did write " like 2/3". 59% is "like" 67%, at least from memory. And complaints went down by 87.5%, which is "like" 80%, also from memory. High on one, low on the other, those errors oughtta cancel out.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nobc - siding with the rule of law, not tolerating looting & violent robbery can't be painted as being " racist ", at any time. Because it isn't. Suggesting such does the opposite of unifying everyone.
I don't see any place where I suggested that. You got a quote? Or is that one of those things "you lefties always do"?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:ANd only shot 6 ties, not 10 as FREM suggested. 'Course one of those 6 was in the top of the head, and one went in near the right eye, came out the jaw, and went in near the collarbone. And none of them were close enough to leave powder burns.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Autopsey out. Brown not shot in the back.
" Now, tell me , Dr. Quincy, what does that suggest, forensically, about the positions and actions of the police officer and the deceased at the moment of the shooting?"
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nobc - siding with the rule of law, not tolerating looting & violent robbery can't be painted as being " racist ", at any time. Because it isn't. Suggesting such does the opposite of unifying everyone.
And, yep, let's unify everyone. Didn't Adolph Shickelgruber have a similar plan? Didn't he deal with a whole bunch of folks for not being "unified"? Unified 'em right into the graveyards and crematoriums, didn't he? Nothin' much more unified that a whole bunch of dead folks.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
" Now, tell me , Dr. Quincy, what does that suggest, forensically, about the positions and actions of the police officer and the deceased at the moment of the shooting?"In the eye, out the jaw, and in the collarbone? No powder burns?
1) Shot from a distance, not in a close-quarter struggle?
2)That unless the bullet ricocheted off a bone - which it sometimes does- wouldn't that mean that the victim was shot along the long axis of the body... ie, like lying down, head raised off the ground?
Oh, as far as "unity" is concerned... it's all right for right-wingers and gun-nuts to threaten the President and defy the law. But it's not all right for black folk!
Rappy's ethics and morals are a matter of convenience. When he, or somebody "like" him, kills someone or shoots at lawmen it's OK. But when someone ELSE does it... someone he doesn't like... it's NOT ok. Clearly, the idea of goose sauce= gander sauce means nothing to him. He IS "the law"... or at least he thinks he should be!
--------------
THUGR is a know-nothing militarist.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
NOBC
Nah, not the projects in Detroit, although we do cover a cemetary there - I call them the Zombie Squad.
My end of things is actually west of Detroit, out in the dead zone of townships between Detroit and Ann Arbor.
The actual company itself split a while back due to a schism in the ranks over taking contracts from TSA/DepHomeSec, which as predicted somewhat later blew up in the faces of those who did, eventually winding up with them handling the bulk of the business and me being little more than an arms-length advisor, mostly I just take my "share" of the proceeds and let them get on with it, laughing up my sleeve whenever they whinge to me about the headaches of trying to run things themselves.
Remember what I said about the worst thing you can do to anyone ?
Well, they wanted to be in charge...
Me and my crew, we played it clever with some loopholes and technically we're now the internal security arm of a commercial realty company, in practice and legally a PMC rather than a security contractor, which allows a LOT more leeway, although we do voluntarily comply with the uniform and equipment guidelines of PL330-1968 out of a sense of professionalism.
Essentially we're the PMC sub-section of a security company, the enforcers which back up the grunts, since technically it's all part of the same LLC, which is handy for obtaining bulk health insurance cause we can squeeze both with the realty corp and the security corp and get better pricing.
Effectively I just run security here these days, and even now do a large part of it myself, up to and including walking rounds - specifically the "wolf hours" just after midnight when yahoos are likely to get up to something and all our damn fools are coming home from the bars.
Dunno that you could say the residents "like" me in a personal sense, I am antisocial, bad tempered and all that, but they damn sure appreciate the hell out of my presence and often leave gifts on my doorstep to show it, mostly cause I do extra stuff beyond just security like handle minor vehicle problems (flats, dead battery, minor mechanical) and automotive lockouts, the latter cause every damn winter several of em wind up locking their keys in the car warming it up, so I went and got the same lockout kit AAA uses.
Not quite as benevolent as it seems though, see, I am keenly aware their rent puts food on my table, ergo I have a vested interest in them getting to work on time, yes ?
Oh, and a somewhat hilarious aside, one of the companies that handles deep city Detroit is DTM, they ARE actually professional security and not half bad at it, but it's that they've adapted this whole "Blackwater" look and style which cracks me the hell up cause it's such total overkill for the situation.
That said, as mentioned below, ten bucks for a sweep and escort is damn cheap - most contract security is on a price/value assessment - hell, you know what portion of a residents monthly rent finances me and the boys ?
Four Bucks.
-Frem
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Yep, Sig. And the one in the top of the head suggests that the cop was REALLY, REALLY tall...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Frem, sorry if my errors in any way offended you. The things I wrote were how I remembered it from things you wrote. And pretty close, as viewed from L.A. But I do appreciate you setting the record straight for the sake of accuracy.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Pish, not offended, no.
Oh, and clarification, Brown was HIT six times, but the officer FIRED ten.
One was the wild shot which went off inside the vehicle, the other nine were at Brown, so three misses.
Yanno 66% is piss poor accuracy for that range and situation, but that does tend to happen when one gets all emotionally involved.
ETA: Just got the word - they're sending in the National Guard, yeah that'll calm things down, NOT!
Seriously, they keep doubling down on the stupid/provocation here.
Seems I ain't the only one offended by such dumbassery.
Dumbest Police Chief in America
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/dumbest-police-chief-america?p
aging=off¤t_page=1
Quote:
I am scratching my head over how it is humanly possible to be as clueless as the St. Louis County and Ferguson police departments. To make one mistake is understandable but to have EVERYTHING you do be a complete fuck up is astounding.
More useful though is some from the on-scene Aldernman, Antonio French.
Meet the St. Louis Alderman Who's Keeping an Eye on Ferguson's Cops
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/antonio-french-ferguson-vi
nes-arrest
Quote:
If you watched some truly jaw-dropping Vines of tear-gassing and smoke-bomb-throwing from Ferguson this week, chances are they came from Antonio French, the social-media-loving St. Louis alderman who's been spending lots of time with the protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, since the shooting of Michael Brown.
-F
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
more--more-more--
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
?hpt=hp_t1
Autopsy results enough to charge officer, Brown family attorney says
By Steve Kastenbaum and Holly Yan, CNN
August 18, 2014 -- Updated 1538 GMT (2338 HKT)
to CNN affiliates KMOV, KSDK, KTVI and KPLR.
Quote:
Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- An independent autopsy into the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, provides "ample" evidence to support the arrest of the police officer who shot him, family attorney Daryl Parks said Monday at a news conference.
Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above.
"Why would he be shot in the very top of his head, a 6-foot-4 man?" Parks asked. "Makes no sense."
The autopsy could support witnesses' suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden, who supervised the inquiry.
A diagram from the autopsy shows entry and exit wounds.
But nothing in the autopsy suggested that Brown had engaged in a struggle, Baden said. Police have said that Brown reached into Officer Darren Wilson's car in a tussle over his gun.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
FRem,
Didn't think you were offended, but I apologized just in case, 'cuz I have good manners usually. Also thanks for the correction on shots: 10 fired, 6 hits. Appreciate that also, for the sake of accuracy. Hadn't seen anything reported but the 6 hits.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The family's attorney says?
LOL
Really. That's funny.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-ferguson-national-guard/
index.html?iid=article_sidebar
Why bring National Guard to Ferguson?
By Josh Levs, CNN
August 18, 2014 -- Updated 1613 GMT (0013 HKT)
Quote:
CNN) -- By calling National Guard troops into Ferguson, Missouri, authorities are taking the situation "to the opposite extreme of community policing," a former FBI assistant director says.
Tom Fuentes, a CNN law enforcement analyst, notes that just a few days ago, authorities were out on the streets shaking hands with marchers. Capt. Ron Johnson of the Missouri State Highway Patrol "was like Gandhi, promising to ensure their safety," Fuentes said.
But growing violence -- amid protests over the shooting death of unarmed teen Michael Brown by a police officer -- changed the situation.
"Given these deliberate, coordinated and intensifying violent attacks on lives and property in Ferguson, I am directing the highly capable men and women of the Missouri National Guard ... in restoring peace and order to this community," Gov. Jay Nixon said in a statement Monday.
Police in the Ferguson area, just like many all over the country, have military equipment, which they used last week. So why bring in the Guard at all?
"You don't want extremely tired, fatigued, overtaxed police officers out there day after day, night after night," Fuentes said. And state patrol officers who came in from out of town and are staying hotels, working around the clock, are surely getting fatigued as well, he said.
New video shows moments after shooting
Stunning images of unrest in Ferguson
Ferguson and race relations in America
"You don't need more military equipment; it's more of a manpower issue."
But there are other reasons it may make sense to replace police on the scene, analysts say.
Members of the National Guard may better follow a "unified chain of command," said Jason Fritz, an Army veteran and senior editor of War on the Rocks, which analyzes national security issues.
In this case, that could be a big improvement. "I've never seen such a disjointed police effort as this," Fuentes said. Emphasis mine. NOBC
Nixon said the Guard will assist Col. Ron Replogle, head of the State Highway Patrol, "in restoring peace and order to this community."
If military police are among the Guard troops, they'll have special training in crowd control that may help, Fritz says.
Fuentes rejects that idea, saying National Guard troops' training does not prepare them for situations like this. "It's not their mission to do local law enforcement," he said.
But Fuentes and Fritz agree on another big reason it might make sense to bring in the National Guard: Residents are fed up with the police.
Marchers have accused police of responding with disproportionate violence against a mostly peaceful crowd. And residents have described protesters helping protect stores from being looted while police did nothing.
Police also infuriated protesters by releasing a video that they said shows Michael Brown involved in a convenience store robbery -- even though police themselves have said it does not relate to the police officer having stopped Brown as he was walking down the street.
By bringing in National Guard troops, Nixon is moving both Ferguson and St. Louis County police out of the way.
"That might be enough," Fritz said.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nobc - siding with the rule of law, not tolerating looting & violent robbery can't be painted as being " racist ", at any time. Because it isn't. Suggesting such does the opposite of unifying everyone.
I don't see any place where I suggested that. You got a quote? Or is that one of those things "you lefties always do"?
Yo, Rappenfuhrer I know you SUCK , especially at answering follow up questions when challenged.
But are you planning to answer this one?
You seem to be accusing me of suggesting something. I claim that I did not do that, and asked for you to back up the accusation.
You planning to answer this one, or you just hoping it'll go away. ?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Assisting another party with timelime reconstruction of events, and a couple things jumped out at me worth noting.
1. There was an L-RAD deployed, dunno if they used it though, we're having some technical difficulties with the telepresence rig at the moment.
Update: Confirmed, it was used.
2. At one point when the crowd was "peaceful", a local police cruiser rolled up at speed from the side, dismounted four officers who then emptied the shotguns they were carrying (rubber bullets) at the protestors, jumped back in and drove away.
That smacks of deliberate provocation, and Jamie is going through the available photos to see what can be found.
3. One hour BEFORE the curfew, the cops set up barricades to block retreat and *then* teargassed the protestors, yeah that ain't helpin matters any.
4. Analysis of radio comm traffic indicates internal conflict between state police trying to chill the situation, and ferguson police intent on winding it up as an excuse to "kick some asses".
Update: Some of this radio traffic is quite frankly, downright incriminating, and will be passed on to USDOJ.
5. The so-called molotovs thrown at police were in most cases, protestors throwing the cops own tear gas rounds BACK at them, which is bloody obvious to anyone with half a brain (which obviously excludes Breitbart) upon viewing the pictures.
6. Deliberate targeting of journalists by both police factions, in one case on express orders of state police captain.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/police-in
-ferguson-arrest-and-threaten-more-journalists/
More to come maybe, if we can sort out what the hell is wrong with the TP rig and find someone brave enough to step out into that mess with it deployed.
-F
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
WeWitless News update--
Latest news-- Gov. orders National Guard deployed in Ferguson. ( from the headline over on CNN.com)
Le'see here. "Militarized policing" didn't work, so the Missouri Highway Patrol took over, commanded by a black guy, with a softer approach. That didn't work out either. SO now they've called out the flat-out military.
" Well, goddammit, Bubba, we ain't shot down ANY of them "BLACK community FOLKS" (We usedta call 'em somethin' diff'rent, back in the Good Old Days.) yet fer riotin' in the streets. Just one fer walkin' in it. When we gonna? Huh? Huh?"
"Purty quick now, Cletus. Maybe we oughtta reactivate thuh Klan-- that kep' them uppity troublemakers under control fer quite a spell."
"Dam' straight, Bubbba. Thass whhut the 'Mperial Grand Dragon Wizzard sez."
Here.
Citing stereotypical hayseed bumpkins Cletus & Bubba and then the kkk reference pretty much says it all.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Nobc - siding with the rule of law, not tolerating looting & violent robbery can't be painted as being " racist ", at any time. Because it isn't. Suggesting such does the opposite of unifying everyone.
I don't see any place where I suggested that. You got a quote? Or is that one of those things "you lefties always do"?
Yo, Rappenfuhrer I know you SUCK , especially at answering follow up questions when challenged.
But are you planning to answer this one?
You seem to be accusing me of suggesting something. I claim that I did not do that, and asked for you to back up the accusation.
You planning to answer this one, or you just hoping it'll go away. ?
What, you expected him not to be a chickenshit coward?
“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Classic storybook FAIL.
I addressed the question, 2 replies above, and you STILL were such a d-bag , you went ahead and tried to claim I didn't by calling me a coward.
Be a man and apologize for being wrong.
Again.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
And another thing...
No one is suggesting that even with young Michael having roughed up the store clerk and stealing $ 50.00 worth of cheap cigars did he DESERVED to die.
There still is the matter of what exactly took place when he encountered the cop.
The cop didn't know M.B. was a suspect, but because M.B. had just committed a strong arm robbery, he likely DID assume the cop was coming after him.
So far, the claims that the cop shot M.B. in the back have proven false. Makes one wonder what ELSE some have claimed took place didn't happen either.
That STILL does not clear the cop of being accused of 2nd degree murder, or what ever the charge he gets. And yes, I do expect something to happen to the cop, as the case proceeds.
Whether a hardened criminal or a choir boy, I still haven't seen evidence which justifies M.B. being on the receiving end of 6 + shots fired by the cop.
WAS he trying to wrestle the gun away from the officer ? IF that's found to be the case, then sadly , it may be the tragic conclusion of some really poor judgements made by a young man that day, resulting in his death.
Tox results still have to come in too, so folks need to chill the hell out and back off before they start making more baseless accusations.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
All the witnesses said the cop shot him in the back. How is it all the witness saw him shot in the back?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Haven't read the whole thread.\
6 foot 4 inch 300 pound criminal attacks officer.
Let's believe the criminal's partners in crime instead.
officer recognized stolen items after stopping the kid.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
" What do you call 6 dead and 25 wounded ? A weekend in Chicago " - Greg Gutfeld.
And yet, where are the Media ? Jessie ? Al ?
Ferguson, MO.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?mid=982602
The bullet that killed Mr. Brown entered the top of his head and came out through the front at an angle that suggested his head was facing downward when he was killed, Mr. Parks said. What the autopsy did not show was what Mr. Brown was doing at the moment he was struck in the head.
“Why would he be shot in the very top of his head, a 6-foot-4 man?” he said. “It makes no sense. And so that’s what we have. That’s why we believe that those two things alone are ample for this officer to be arrested.”
Another outstanding question was whether Mr. Brown was struck as he ran away from the police officer. Prof. Shawn L. Parcells, a pathologist assistant based in Kansas who assisted Dr. Baden, said that one of the wounds on Mr. Brown’s arm could have been caused by a bullet fired from in front or behind.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
All the witnesses said the cop shot him in the back. How is it all the witness saw him shot in the back?
They didn't. They were LYING.
I heard one girl swear that Brown wasn't wearing the same clothes as he was in the video, and that the cops had " photo shopped " the video.
Now hold up a sec. Why would the cops go to all the trouble of photo shopping a security cam video ( I guess they have Industrial Light and Magic talent down at the Ferguson P.D., huh ?) and not have him wearing the same clothes as when he was shot, just a few minutes later. Even though the lawyer for the accomplice admits that the 2 in the video cam were in fact his client and the deceased.
Also, there was a guy caught on a cell phone video, after the shooting, saying that M.B. actually came BACK and was charging the officer. It was a casual conversation, caught on audio, shortly after the shooting, but before all the ruckus had taken place.
I'm telling you, the agents of deception and chaos are working over time on this, as they ALWAYS do to promote a certain agenda. Never mind the actual facts.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Were any cigars found?
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Were any cigars found?
OMG ! Nancy Drew, you've done it ! You've cracked the case !!!
Never mind that lawyer for the accomplice has already identified both males as being the ones who were in the store, and robbed ( he corrected himself and said - TOOK ) the cigars.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/15/Lawyer-Confirms-Brown
-Took-Cigars-From-Store
Good grief.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
All the witnesses said the cop shot him in the back. How is it all the witness saw him shot in the back?
Cites?
You claim *ALL* the witnesses said this. Prove it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
And we're supposed to buy that shit from Breitbart, the same shitheads who posted a pic of a protestor throwing a tear gas grenade BACK at the cops while insisting it was a fuckin molotov ?
Riiiiight.
And apparently you missed EC's relevant post earlier, with cite from CCNews.
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/08/ferguson-store-owner-says-he-doe
snt-believe-thats-mike-brown-on-surveillance-video/
Quote:
The surveillance tapes supposedly shows Michael Brown “robbing” a Ferguson convenience store market. But in spite of the fact that the “robbery” was carried out without the brandishing of a weapon, and in spite of the fact that this was really more a case of petty theft shoplifting, this Friday, for the first time, the owners of the store have said that they never said they believed Michael Brown was the individual who stole the item from their store.
In fact, while the owners are speaking out through an attorney about the surveillance video, the mainstream, corporate media are largely ignoring everything they said, pretending that this video definitively identifies Michael Brown as the strong arm shoplifter.
The owners claim that this is a claim the police have come up with on their own. For his part, Dorian Johnson, a witness to the shooting of Michael Brown, has reportedly confessed to being with Brown in the convenient store. But for now, that has not been corroborated by the store owner, employees or eye witnesses. As well, we are not hearing this from Johnson himself, so a number of questions remain.
Through their attorney, the owner of the store also even dispute the claim that they or an employee called 911. They say that a customer inside the store made the call. This is pretty strange if this was indeed a “robbery”.
As well, in addition to clarifying that they never said they believed, nor identified the suspect with Michael Brown, they claimed that the St. Louis County issued the warrants for the hard drive of surveillance video Friday, based on the police claiming that Brown fit the description of the person in the video… the person who the owners and employees of the store were not even going to call the police on. Again, the owner clarifies that neither the management, nor any employee ever identified Brown as the suspect in that video.
They simply never said they believed that, this was a claim made by the police alone. So the real question is why the media has been taking the word of the police on this matter, even over the word of the eye witnesses and the store owner?
Chances are it's a deliberate, out of context clip of a personal issue which simply happened to occur in the store, used in an attempt to bias the public, media and potential jury pool - typical police SOP for these kind of situations, and we're all well aware of it.
As for events on the ground, the dedicated "press area" (See Also: Free Speech Zone) was set up 2.5 MILES from the action initially, and police were giving the press conflicting directions to confuse them and send them on wild goose chases.
Unusually for a situation like this I can confirm the police forces WERE actually taking some return fire, most of it from long range but it was definately present, which TOTALLY freaked out the police, guess they weren't expecting *that*, although given the level of provocation and pressure they should have been.
Here's some raw coverage from VICE news.
What, they thought they could infinitely abuse an entire neighborhood and NOT get shot at ?
-Frem
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The autopsy doctor found it inconclusive.
At this point, what the hell difference does it make?
The kid got shot 6 times - twice in the head - WTF was that cop thinking?
There is no crime in the world that could warrant being shot 6 times - not jaywalking, not shoplifting a handful of cigarillos.
Forget all the riots, which, by the way, speaks to a systematic ill treatment of a particular group of people. Forget the politics, police reports, jurisdiction, Civil rights and poverty......................
The boy was shot 6 times after putting his hands up in surrender.
That's seriously sick in the grand scheme of things. That is beyond excessive force, it is de-humanizing in every sense of the word.
What was the mental state of the officer who shot another human 6 times?
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Autopsey out. Brown not shot in the back.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Chances are it's a deliberate, out of context clip of a personal issue which simply happened to occur in the store ...
I watched the video. Brown asks someone out of camera range behind the counter for some items. Some are handed to him and he hands them to his friend to hold. He talks with the person behind the counter some more and after a time the person behind the counter hands him some items, which Brown holds. After some more conversation Brown hands them back to the person behind the counter, gestures to his friend and gets those items as well and hands them back. All of this is on camera. The next thing you see is Brown and his friend walking toward the camera and picking something up off the floor outside of camera range.
What did the store person do - throw the cigars at them out of camera range in ill temper? it sure looks that way to me. Up until that point, all of the cigars are visibly accounted for and behind the counter.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
At this point, what the hell difference does it make?
The kid got shot 6 times - twice in the head - WTF was that cop thinking?
There is no crime in the world that could warrant being shot 6 times - not jaywalking, not shoplifting a handful of cigarillos.
A struggle for the cop's gun might.
Also...
Quote:
And we're supposed to buy that shit from Breitbart, the same shitheads who posted a pic of a protestor throwing a tear gas grenade BACK at the cops while insisting it was a fuckin molotov ?
Riiiiight.
And apparently you missed EC's relevant post earlier, with cite from CCNews.
You dismiss Breitbart, but then go on to cite CCN ? ROFLMAO !!!!
Man, talk about being a total conspiracy nutjob !
I doubt very much there was any " insisting " of anything, as you claim. Molotov cocktails were thrown. If some intern misidentified an object being thrown in a photo, does that mean the event didn't take place ?
Who the hell is CCN ? One of PN's rivals ?
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Tox results still have to come in too
Just saw a reference to that. (Oops, better provide a link.) He is reported to have had marijuana in his system. We all know how that stuff turns people into crazed invulnerable killers. 'Specially members of the "black community." White folks it just causes cravings for pizza and Snickers bars.
Also saw a (conservative) website (Damn, I'm gonna have to go back and FIND the site again, and provide a link. YA know how some people just hate "anecdotal evidence". But I did see it. ) that reported several things I hadn't seen anywhere else: Brown wanted to be, or was, a rapper. We all know that EVERY SINGLE ONE of THEM is a criminal; there's video of him flashing "gang signs". That one might be true, actually; and, (same site) a motivation for stealing the box of cigars, worth almost $50-- that's 80 to 100 of 'em. Turns out drug dealers hollow out those Swisher Sweets and refill them with MJ. (I hadn't known that.) So he was, "really", a "drug dealer", not a good kid going off to college. High level, too, probably a wholesaler.
Now, I don't know. Are those true, relevant facts about his real character, or just more character assassination? And is any of it relevant to the police officer's original action, stopping these 2 guys for walking down the middle of a street? Did he, or the police chief, know about any of those things? Back later with links.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
officer recognized stolen items after stopping the kid.
saw The Rap mention that one.
Haven't seen that item ANYWHERE ELSE, and I've been looking for it. I'd REALLY like to verify that. Don't suppose you have a source for that item of "anecdotal evidence? And how does that square with the PD Chief himself saying that the officer did not know about the reported crime at the liquor store?
Did this cop just get an ESP flash--"Hey, those cigars look just like the ones in the crime report I'm gonna get in a few minutes." Temporal telekinesis, a new police tool...?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Also, there was a guy caught on a cell phone video, after the shooting, saying that M.B. actually came BACK and was charging the officer. It was a casual conversation, caught on audio, shortly after the shooting, but before all the ruckus had taken place.
And I'm sure you can provide a link to that item of "anecdotal evidence."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Do you agree with the following? (It's a trick question.)
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Man, talk about being a total conspiracy nutjob !
"We know that America is exceptional in one key respect—we came to democracy without much bloodshed. Around the world, from Hungary and Russia to Iraq and Nigeria, we see the dream of peaceful democratization dragged again and again to what the philosopher Hegel called the slaughter-bench of history. Racial strife and murderous governments, not liberty and democracy, are the rule in history, the established pattern. We know that, mercifully, democratization scourged us only once in ferociously modern style: during the Civil War."
The trick is that the last sentence here nullifies the first. Some 600,000 Americans--2.5 percent of the American population--died in the Civil War. What came before this was a long bloody war--enslavement--against black families, black communities and black bodies. What came after was a terrorist regime which ruled an entire swath of this country by fire and rope. That regime was not overthrown until an era well within the living memory of many Americans. Taken all together, the body count that led us to our present tenuous democratic moment does not elevate us above the community of nations, but installs us uncomfortably within its ranks. And that is terrifying because it shows us to be neither providential nor exceptional, and only special in the subjective sense that our families are special--because they are ours. www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/08/Reparations-For-Ferguson/
376098/
I just want to note that Ferguson Missouri was in the Confederacy. The Confederacy recognized the pro-Confederate claimants in both Kentucky and Missouri and laid claim to those states, granting them Congressional representation and adding two stars to the Confederate flag.
Not so bad as Georgia and Mississippi, but lynchings happened in Missouri, too. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchstats.html
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Were any cigars found?
OMG ! Nancy Drew, you've done it ! You've cracked the case !!!
Never mind that lawyer for the accomplice has already identified both males as being the ones who were in the store, and robbed ( he corrected himself and said - TOOK ) the cigars.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/08/15/Lawyer-Confirms-Brown
-Took-Cigars-From-Store
Good grief.
Well, I asked for a link. You did provide one. Thank you.
Now, about the question of Breibart's credibility...
And of course, the actual quote in the Breibart piece is of someone saying, "the guy on CNN said..." That's actually called hearsay, and normally inadmissable in any criminal case, I'd REALLY like to see the source video, where the CNN guy actually says that.
Also in the Breibart piece, a claim that the other thug (pardon me, member of the black community.) said that Brown took a "pack" of cigars. A "pack" of Swishers in usually a 5 pack, isn't it? That's what I see in MY local 7-11's. But the reports have Brown stealing a $50 "box" of cigars.
Kinda like the difference between a 6 pack of beer, and a case of beer, isn't it?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
I heard one girl swear that Brown wasn't wearing the same clothes as he was in the video, and that the cops had " photo shopped " the video.
Now hold up a sec. Why would the cops go to all the trouble of photo shopping a security cam video ( I guess they have Industrial Light and Magic talent down at the Ferguson P.D., huh ?) and not have him wearing the same clothes as when he was shot, just a few minutes later. Even though the lawyer for the accomplice admits that the 2 in the video cam were in fact his client and the deceased.
I saw a video, supposedly of the liquor store incident, but it was totally crap quality. I couldn't make out enough detail to identify the person in it. Wanted it to be of adequate quality for me to try, or at least get enough detail to evaluate his clothes. And there wasn't enough. So I dismissed it, as valueless. 'Course, I didn't try REAL hard. And I haven't seen a worthwhile picture of what Brown looked like, or what he was wearing when shot, to compare against.
One thing I was able to see: whoever the person was, he DID have a package of Swisher Sweets tucked, like, under his arm or in his back pocket. (That's what I saw, from memory. It was several days ago. I ain't testifying to this in court. If I was, I'd go review the tape, verify what there is to see, and analyze my thought process and impressions.) Those I have seen, those I did recognize. And what I thought I saw was a flat pack, a six pack, not a "box" like a "big box" that would be worth 50 bucks. Ain't sayin' I'm not wrong, but that's the impression I got, a very strong impression. If I had to prove it, I'd have to go back and work it over.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Up until that point, all of the cigars are visibly accounted for and behind the counter.
Wondered about that one also. In every 7-11 I've been in out here in CAlifornia, ALL tobacco products are kept behind the counter. BECAUSE they're a target of shoplifting. And because the clerk is supposed to not sell them to minors, to check ID if in doubt. In really bad areas, all of the candy is kept right in front of the cash register, 'cause even the kids will shoplift it. And that's packs of Camels, and 6-packs of Swishers, never mind the $ 50 boxes of 'em. If I had an easily shopliftable item worth 50 bucks in MY liquor store, it wouldn't be out on the floor somewhere, it would be behind the counter.
And that's another good question--Is it legal for a liquor store in Missouri to sell tobacco products to minors? Do they have those "If you look like you're under 30, we'll ask for ID." signs back there? If so, didn't the clerk ask? If he did, wouldn't he check the birth date, name and picture? Just to make sure the ID isn't from "I. M. Whitey," when presented by a 6-4 black dude? Maybe he'd remember, especially right after a shoplifting and assault incident?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
quote somebody else, Maybe FREM? NOBC added this, it's not quoted from RAP.
E-T-A Not Frem. Shiny GG. Sorry, Frem. BAck to the quote...
E-T-A some more. found the ORIGINAL post again. It was FREM. NOBC sez: "Hey, last time I was wrong was when I thought I made a mistake...."
Gonna keep correcting myself until I get it RIGHT. Sorry if my errors offend anyone.Quote:
And apparently you missed EC's relevant post earlier, with cite from CCNews.
You dismiss Breitbart, but then go on to cite CCN ? ROFLMAO !!!!
Who the hell is CCN ? One of PN's rivals ?
And then you dismiss CCN with "ROLFMAO", only to come back a couple of lines later to ask " who the hell is CCN?" Either you're too busy snarking at CNN and only caught the typo later, or you got no business ROFLing at them without knowing who they are. If you don't know who they are, how can you know that they aren't THE authoritative source on the matter?
Your logic is flawed.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Also, there was a guy caught on a cell phone video, after the shooting, saying that M.B. actually came BACK and was charging the officer. It was a casual conversation, caught on audio, shortly after the shooting, but before all the ruckus had taken place.
And I'm sure you can provide a link to that item of "anecdotal evidence."
Heard the audio of it on the radio, but I'll try to track it down as time permits.
Frem's Counter current News ( CCN ) isn't a typo for CNN.
Try to keep up.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Tox results still have to come in too
Just saw a reference to that. (Oops, better provide a link.) He is reported to have had marijuana in his system.
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2014/0818/After-autopsy-Mike-B
rown-s-parents-call-for-officer-s-arrest-video
Quote:
The retired examiner also emphasized that he would need a toxicology report to comment on a claim, made by a police source quoted in The Washington Post on Monday, that the county police's autopsy found marijuana in Brown's system.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/18/county-in
vestigation-michael-brown-was-shot-from-the-front-had-marijuana-in-his-system/
just the header and by-line from the Washington Post:
County investigation: Michael Brown was shot from the front, had marijuana in his system
By Emily Wax-Thibodeaux, Wesley Lowery and Mark Berman August 18 at 12:34 PM ?
****************************************************************************
Te "retired medical examiner" is Dr. Baden, who conducted the second autopsy.
CSM is highly regarded as reliable and objective.
It appears that the original source was within the Police Dept.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Also saw a (conservative) website (Damn, I'm gonna have to go back and FIND the site again, and provide a link. YA know how some people just hate "anecdotal evidence". But I did see it. ) that reported several things I hadn't seen anywhere else: Brown wanted to be, or was, a rapper. We all know that EVERY SINGLE ONE of THEM is a criminal; there's video of him flashing "gang signs". That one might be true, actually; and, (same site) a motivation for stealing the box of cigars, worth almost $50-- that's 80 to 100 of 'em. Turns out drug dealers hollow out those Swisher Sweets and refill them with MJ. (I hadn't known that.) So he was, "really", a "drug dealer", not a good kid going off to college. High level, too, probably a wholesaler.
Now, I don't know. Are those true, relevant facts about his real character, or just more character assassination? And is any of it relevant to the police officer's original action, stopping these 2 guys for walking down the middle of a street? Did he, or the police chief, know about any of those things? Back later with links.
OK, this ain't what I saw, but a report about it. I think what I saw was the original pieces referred to here.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-brown-rap-lyrics-ferguso
n-shooting
TPM LIVEWIRE
Far Right Says Michael Brown's Raps Show He Was 'A Criminal And A Thug'
ByDYLAN SCOTTPublishedAUGUST 18, 2014, 10:31 AM EDT 14446 Views
Quote:
Michael Brown, the unarmed black teenager who was shot on Aug. 9 by a Ferguson, Mo., police officer, was an aspiring hip-hop artist. The Los Angeles Times reported Sunday on Brown's SoundCloud page, a collection of amateur rap songs that Brown had posted before his death.
They contained much of the imagery and language common to so-called gangster rap. Pictures of Brown flashing alleged gang signs have also circulated in the conservative blogosphere.
FrontPage magazine, the online home of David Horowitz, whose self-described mission is to battle the radical left, labeled Brown "a criminal and a thug" in its summary of his character, which featured the rap lyrics.
"The fact that Brown liked performing thug music obviously doesn’t by itself make him a thug, but it does provide insight into his state of mind," the site said. "The same can be said for the photographs that have surfaced of Brown posing like a tough guy, making gestures with his hands that some say are gang signs."
FrontPage magazine, and others, connected Brown's rap lyrics with the police report released Friday that said he was the "primary suspect" in a convenience store robbery that occurred minutes before he was shot. That report's release, which was reportedly opposed by the Justice Department, has been criticized by Brown's family and public officials as an attempt to paint a negative public image of Brown.
"Well, this kind of destroys the ‘gentle giant’ narrative spun in the media," ClashDaily, the website of Doug Giles, who occasionally writes for the more well-known TownHall.com, said in its summary of Brown's songs.
The conspiratorial website World Net Daily connected Brown's professed marijuana smoking in the songs with his alleged robbery of some cigarillos -- which are "widely known to be used by marijuana smokers, who roll their own blunts by replacing the cigarillos’ tobacco with pot" -- on the day of the shooting.
"I didn’t go through the entire catalogue, but it’s pretty obscene, though standard rap fare these days," conservative blogger SooperMexican said in his own post. "Of course, none of this means he is guilty of what the police claim he did, but it adds another dimension to the character of Mike Brown."
"Draw your own conclusions."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:Do you agree with the following? (It's a trick question.)
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Man, talk about being a total conspiracy nutjob !
"We know that America is exceptional in one key respect—we came to democracy without much bloodshed. Around the world, from Hungary and Russia to Iraq and Nigeria, we see the dream of peaceful democratization dragged again and again to what the philosopher Hegel called the slaughter-bench of history. Racial strife and murderous governments, not liberty and democracy, are the rule in history, the established pattern. We know that, mercifully, democratization scourged us only once in ferociously modern style: during the Civil War."
The trick is that the last sentence here nullifies the first. Some 600,000 Americans--2.5 percent of the American population--died in the Civil War. What came before this was a long bloody war--enslavement--against black families, black communities and black bodies. What came after was a terrorist regime which ruled an entire swath of this country by fire and rope. That regime was not overthrown until an era well within the living memory of many Americans. Taken all together, the body count that led us to our present tenuous democratic moment does not elevate us above the community of nations, but installs us uncomfortably within its ranks. And that is terrifying because it shows us to be neither providential nor exceptional, and only special in the subjective sense that our families are special--because they are ours. www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/08/Reparations-For-Ferguson/
376098/
I just want to note that Ferguson Missouri was in the Confederacy. The Confederacy recognized the pro-Confederate claimants in both Kentucky and Missouri and laid claim to those states, granting them Congressional representation and adding two stars to the Confederate flag.
Not so bad as Georgia and Mississippi, but lynchings happened in Missouri, too. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/shipp/lynchstats.html
2 points, not necessarily arguin' with you :
"We know that America is exceptional in one key respect—we came to democracy without much bloodshed."
Ah, yepper. After that first Tea Party, the one in Boston Harbor, there was the Boston Massacre, and this little thing called the American Revolution. No bloodshed there.
" I just want to note that Ferguson Missouri was in the Confederacy. The Confederacy recognized the pro-Confederate claimants in both Kentucky and Missouri and laid claim to those states, granting them Congressional representation and adding two stars to the Confederate flag."
If I remember my history courses correctly, Missouri was officially a "border state," divided in its loyalty. There were a LOT of Confederate supporters there, including Sam Clemens, who went off to attempt to join the Confederate Army, but got lost on the way and went back home. Not sure exactly where Ferguson stood then, if it did, politically or geographically, but it, and a lot of the state certainly lines up with the "Old South" attitude today.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
[
Frem's Counter current News ( CCN ) isn't a typo for CNN.
Try to keep up.
And since you KNEW that, you ask who the hell they are? Oh, you were just being a wise ass. I'm caught up now.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
NOBC
What happened with the cigars may have been the altercation that prompted a customer to call 911. And if the store person threw them at the two young men then he would have been guilty of assault. That makes it understandable that he didn't call the police.
SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
AH, found it. Another version of the story that never stops changing, this one from Aug 15, and USAToday, the paragon of quality journalism.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2014/08/15/ferguson-missouri
-police-michael-brown-shooting/14098369/
Chief: Officer noticed Brown carrying suspected stolen cigars
Yamiche Alcindor, Marisol Bello and Aamer Madhani, USA TODAY 9:50 p.m. EDT August 15, 2014
Quote:
FERGUSON, Mo. — Michael Brown was identified as a suspect in a strong-arm robbery of a box of cigars moments before he was shot to death by Officer Darren Wilson, police said Friday.
In an afternoon press conference, Ferguson, Mo. Police Chief Thomas Jackson said Wilson did not initially make a connection between the robbery and Brown,whose death spurred violent protests and unrest in the St. Louis suburb over the past week.
Wilson stopped Brown and a friend because "they were in the middle of the street, blocking traffic," Jackson said.
Hours later, however, Jackson told a slightly different story to CNN and NBC, saying that Wilson noticed Brown was carrying a box of cigars that had been reported stolen. Wilson, he said, initially stopped Brown for blocking traffic, but as he began driving past Brown, he noticed Brown was holding cigars.
At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.
Jackson earlier released Wilson's name along with information that Brown was a suspect in the previous robbery. He said he released surveillance video tape and documents related to the robbery to satisfy freedom of information requests from the public.
His decision to release both bits of information at the same time has come under fire by residents and Brown supporters who said the police were trying to divert attention away from Wilson and justify the shooting by blaming Brown.
Jackson would not say why he released the information when he did the way he did, other than to say he was responding to freedom of information requests from the public about the robbery.
Benjamin Crump, an attorney for Brown's family, told USA TODAY the release of the officer's name alongside a robbery report naming Brown as a suspect "smoke and mirrors."
"There was nothing based on the facts that have been placed before us that would justify this execution style murder by this police officer in broad daylight," Crump said. "It's not enough that they assassinated him in broad daylight in the middle of the street. They also have to assassinate his character to try to get away with it."
He said police were trying to divert the public's attention from the crux of the issue. He added that police only releasing photos of the robbery suspect and not Wilson shows that the department will not be transparent.
He said Brown's family believes the police strategically waited to release the officer's name to justify the fatal shooting.
This was 5 days ago, before the chief denied that Mike Brown was a suspect.
Seems that, miraculously, the police report came over the radio in the few seconds between when the stopped the 2 guys walking in the street, "blocking traffic", and when Brown attacked.
I'm sure Ferguson tapes its police dept radio traffic, so can provide a tape of the broadcast, with time stamp.
E-T-A, I forgot this point: And I'm sure Ferguson's records are so good that it's right there on the incident report, right after the part where it says, " Officer shot a member of the black community, several times," , it says " Inventory of evidence on the corpse, 1 box of cigars, value $50, " Or it will, if they ever release the complete original document, the one that's part of the public, legal record. Or if not, maybe somebody can get it via the Freedom of Information ACT, like they did the officer's name, and the video tape. 'Course that may be 40 or 50 y
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I'm sure Ferguson tapes its police dept radio traffic, so can provide a tape of the broadcast, with time stamp.
Some of it at the dispatch end has already been released, via Anonymous.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/anonymous-releases-st-loui
s-police-dispatch-tapes
The officer in question didn't even inform his own superiors of the events initially and they had to hear about it from the freakin news, mind you.
-F
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I'm sure Ferguson tapes its police dept radio traffic, so can provide a tape of the broadcast, with time stamp.
Some of it at the dispatch end has already been released, via Anonymous.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/08/anonymous-releases-st-loui
s-police-dispatch-tapes
The officer in question didn't even inform his own superiors of the events initially and they had to hear about it from the freakin news, mind you.
-F
thanx for that first bit. I knew about that second part from that link of yours about the dumbest chief in the USA. Thanx for that also, BTW. I enjoyed reading it, great for laughs.
And what kind of PD anywhere in the USA does an officer KILL someone, and not radio it it to HQ anyway? Besides Ferguson...
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Missouri opinion was divided about black slavery, which lead to some very colorful history during the Civil War. To this very day Missourians are still having divided opinions about blacks, which is leading to some more colorful history in Ferguson. There are a lot of opinions on this website that express too much certainty about who is guilty of what crime, but there are some more factoids that I do know are true:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
2 points, not necessarily arguin' with you :
Ferguson’s elected officials are of a much different racial makeup than its population. In 2001, Ferguson was a majority African American city with zero African Americans on the city council. Ferguson has gained one African American city council member since then (17 percent of the council), but its African American population has increased to 67 percent. – http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/08/19/why-is-fergusons-government-
so-white/
All white juries are 16% more likely to convict black defendants than white defendants but the presence of just a single black person in the jury pool equalizes conviction rates by race. The effect is large and remarkably it occurs even when the black person is not picked for the jury. The latter may not seem possible but the authors develop an elegant model of voir dire that shows how using up a veto on a black member of the pool shifts the characteristics of remaining pool members from which the lawyers must pick; that is, a diverse jury pool can make for a more “ideologically” balanced jury even when the jury is not racially balanced. –- http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/08/the-impact-of
-jury-race-in-criminal-trials.html
I hope there is a trial for Policeman Darren Wilson. If a grand jury no bills Wilson, there will be plenty of awful Missouri history made.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Ut oh...
'more than a dozen people have backed up Ferguson officer's story'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728772/Second-friend-cop-shot
-dead-Michael-Brown-comes-defense-say-s-quiet-respectful-guy.html
Hey NOBC !!! Does this count ?
I know it's not exactly what I was posting , but the fact that the story is being backed up by MULTIPLE witnesses leads credence to my prior post.
Brown was the aggressor, and the cop acted in self defense.
That's not ME saying that, but the story from many who claim they saw it, and the story ( allegedly ) that the cop himself has given.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
….Two
Ferguson’s elected officials are of a much different racial makeup than its population. In 2001, Ferguson was a majority African American city with zero African Americans on the city council. Ferguson has gained one African American city council member since then (17 percent of the council), but its African American population has increased to 67 percent. – http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/08/19/why-is-fergusons-government-
Yes this is true and why people who rely on statistics alone are misguided. They look at those and shout prof, prof. I keep hearing this fact used to point to another (o so obvious) injustice perpetrated by whites on the African American community. Something Al Sharpton said while addressing the people of Ferguson tells the truth of why that is. 12% of Fergusons eligible black voters actually vote. 12%, how the hell are you going to get the job if you don’t apply? How are you going to improve your station in life if you do not show up? It takes and effort to effect change and this is what needs to change. Sharpton recognizes this today and has changed his approach in these situations. He is beginning to point out some of the community’s culpability. This is what’s needed. Not the lefts continued excuse making for the behaviors within black communities.
I have been sitting back watching as all the jump to conclusions posters have shown their lack of depth and their inability to sort through the hype. I even noticed where 1kiki turned the store incident with the kid stealing the cigars into a, maybe it is the store owners fault. Implying it may be because the store owner threw the cigars at the two kids that he did not call 911.
Quote:
….Two
I hope there is a trial for Policeman Darren Wilson. If a grand jury no bills Wilson, there will be plenty of awful Missouri history made.
There probably will be a trial but I am not sure. I will tell you that I keep hearing of a cover up. That they won’t release the facts of the shootings. If a good and true investigation is being conducted you will not see the facts released as they are discovered. The reason for this is because the physical facts left behind by the incident are compared to the eye witness statements. They do this to establish the credibility of the witness. If they make public the physical evidence as it is determined, the witnesses will start mimicking what they read in the press or heard reported.
As I said earlier, I would not trust what the witnesses said because of their affiliation with the community and its established grievances against the police department as a whole. We need the facts to bear them out first.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
All white juries are 16% more likely to convict black defendants than white defendants but the presence of just a single black person in the jury pool equalizes conviction rates by race. The effect is large and remarkably it occurs even when the black person is not picked for the jury. The latter may not seem possible but the authors develop an elegant model of voir dire that shows how using up a veto on a black member of the pool shifts the characteristics of remaining pool members from which the lawyers must pick; that is, a diverse jury pool can make for a more “ideologically” balanced jury even when the jury is not racially balanced. –- http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/08/the-impact-of
-jury-race-in-criminal-trials.html
FAR out! Every day I learn something, and I'm an old fart. Never seen or heard that one before, but it surely makes sense. I can see the whole mechanism clearly in my mind. Thanx for today's lesson.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguso
n-holocaust-_n_5689822.html
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguso
n-holocaust-_n_5689822.html
About as easy a collar as the cops could hope for.
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:There are two articles explaining how the blacks are getting cheated in Ferguson:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Something Al Sharpton said while addressing the people of Ferguson tells the truth of why that is. 12% of Ferguson's eligible black voters actually vote. 12%, how the hell are you going to get the job if you don’t apply? How are you going to improve your station in life if you do not show up? It takes and effort to effect change and this is what needs to change. Sharpton recognizes this today and has changed his approach in these situations. He is beginning to point out some of the community’s culpability. This is what’s needed. Not the lefts continued excuse making for the behaviors within black communities.
Police are operating with total impunity in Ferguson
www.vox.com/2014/8/19/6043483/ferguson-police-impunity
White political domination of Ferguson is doomed
www.vox.com/2014/8/18/6029141/why-ferguson-government-is-so-white
If all the blacks in Ferguson can stay focused for years, and vote in every municipal election, then good can come out of this. But if not, then not.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
The official narrative is unraveling faster and faster...
BREAKING REPORT: Officer Darren Wilson Suffered “Orbital Blowout Fracture to Eye Socket” During Mike Brown Attack
The Gateway Pundit can now confirm from two local St. Louis sources that police Officer Darren Wilson suffered facial fractures during his confrontation with deceased 18 year-old Michael Brown. Officer Wilson clearly feared for his life during the incident that led to the shooting death of Brown. This was after Michael Brown and his accomplice Dorian Johnson robbed a local Ferguson convenience store.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08/breaking-report-po-darren-wils
on-suffered-orbital-blowout-fracture-to-eye-socket-during-encounter-with-mike-brown/
NOTIFY: N | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I don't know how much I trust that source Rap? Yet I hope it is accurate and the witnesses are more relievable than it appears the others have been. What they claim also has to be born out by the physical evidence.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by second:Quote:There are two articles explaining how the blacks are getting cheated in Ferguson:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Something Al Sharpton said while addressing the people of Ferguson tells the truth of why that is. 12% of Ferguson's eligible black voters actually vote. 12%, how the hell are you going to get the job if you don’t apply? How are you going to improve your station in life if you do not show up? It takes and effort to effect change and this is what needs to change. Sharpton recognizes this today and has changed his approach in these situations. He is beginning to point out some of the community’s culpability. This is what’s needed. Not the lefts continued excuse making for the behaviors within black communities.
Police are operating with total impunity in Ferguson
www.vox.com/2014/8/19/6043483/ferguson-police-impunity
White political domination of Ferguson is doomed
www.vox.com/2014/8/18/6029141/why-ferguson-government-is-so-white
If all the blacks in Ferguson can stay focused for years, and vote in every municipal election, then good can come out of this. But if not, then not.
I am not saying the cops are not overstepping their authority. What I am saying is that the press know exactly how to go about getting themselves arrested. The first of the reporters arrested was filming his encounter with the police in a fast food place. Swat came in and asked everyone to leave they were shutting the place down.
What he did was so obvious it was an are you kidding me moment. While he had a laptop to pack he keep filming with his phone so he had to Pack up with one hand. While he was stumbling about he was saying please officer, don't tell me I can't film this I am within my rights to film this. Please officer, why do we have to leave. Please officer, what door do you want me to go out. Please Officer, can I go to my car.
All the moron had to do was pick up and leave. He chose to do this instead. Don't care what others say, I saw what he filmed myself. The black officer who has been all over the news is complaining the press are stimulating some of what is happening by what they are doing.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
officer recognized stolen items after stopping the kid.
saw The Rap mention that one.
Haven't seen that item ANYWHERE ELSE, and I've been looking for it. I'd REALLY like to verify that. Don't suppose you have a source for that item of "anecdotal evidence? And how does that square with the PD Chief himself saying that the officer did not know about the reported crime at the liquor store?
Did this cop just get an ESP flash--"Hey, those cigars look just like the ones in the crime report I'm gonna get in a few minutes." Temporal telekinesis, a new police tool...?
Not sure if your logic and curiosity have been satisfied since this post, or not.
I think I heard this on one of the following radio shows: Mark Levin or Dennis Miller (the previous evening) or Sean Hannity Show just prior to posting that reply. Sean has a website and a show on FNC as well, I think.
What I had understood was this:
The cop did not connect the black thug with the store theft at first, possibly because the shoplifting, having just taken place, had not been broadcast yet.
At some point during the incident, the cop either realized the thug had expensive cigars, or heard the broadcast of the recent shoplifting in the neighborhood, and noted the connection with the cigars in the hands of the thug.... er, um, unarmed teenage thug.
The Chief or whomever, stated the first part of the above, specifically in reference to a FOI request, which is usually handled (at the direction of some lawyer, like a Prosecuting Attorney) in the most non-effusive way, so as not to reveal too much of the case. The part about the non-connection was accurate AT THE BEGINNING of the interaction, but the Chief did not elaborate about the ensuing developments.
I'm not trying to confuse anything, but that was the way I recall what I had heard. Does that make sense to you?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Logical fallacy try to find which one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies Maybe you can redeem yourself by learning a little logic.
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Stranger still is the silence from Jesse & Al at all the black on black violence.
1kiki - Wrong thread.
*snicker*
Hey, don't be upset because you can't draw a logical connection between the topic and your comment. It just means you need to learn from your mistake. With practice even you could get better. So, chin up and remember this: It's never the wrong thread in which to learn your very first lesson in logic.
Are you psychotic? Posting about the failure of Obamacare in this thread, then when it is pointed out that you erred, you just pretend that you didn't really post in the wrong thread?
I understand that as a libtard the ability to rewrite history is key, and to constantly deny facts and truth, but get with the program here.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Logical fallacy
try to find which one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
You and the other right whingers failed miserably at simple counting. Worse, when you were TOLD the numbers in the news, you failed to notice the glaringly discrepant graphic, cause, yanno, it showed what a miserable failure Obamacare was and that's all you wanted to know. That hit your gloat with a satisfying plop. And you literally couldn't see the facts.
But that's all in the past. Maybe you can redeem yourself by learning a little logic.
Posted Aug 14 12:33am (in my time zone) in this thread.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
It's not character assassination when you report the facts. It just isn't.
That's just crazy talk.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
The VERY latest from CNN.com:Quote:
Ferguson police chief: Officer didn't stop Brown as robbery suspect
By Greg Botelho, Michael Pearson and Ana Cabrera, CNN
August 15, 2014 -- Updated 2059 GMT (0459 HKT)
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html
?hpt=hp_t1
Let's tell it both ways, shall we? Maybe see what sticks.
With Raptard, of course, it's already settled: The kid was absolutely, beyond any reasonable doubt, Guilty;
You ever look in the mirror?
With NOBC, or course, it's already settled: the unarmed, compliant, unassuming, law-abiding, non-drugged, innocent, non-thieving, meek, running away child was absolutely, beyond any reasonable doubt, Innocent.
No need to confuse the issue with facts, those darn inconvenient things.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:This is like that self-help pablum that they smear on the sick.
Change is hard and it means getting up off your knees.
What poor neighborhoods need is JOBS. Poor neighborhoods are not about to re-create an entire economy in miniature, independent from the economy that they're embedded in.
So what the militarized police do... what their REAL function is... is to keep the poor folk bottled up in option-less situations in their poor neighborhoods so that wealthy folk can continue to enjoy their safe and comfortable lives.
No, instead of the militarized police, that is the job of the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, NAACP. Just ask Trader Joe's. They must keep their fellow blacks subjugated and penned in the poor neighborhoods to maintain their lifestyle of wealth from race-baiting. This is why they insist upon keeping the jobs out of the areas, and looting, rioting, and burning any business (AKA employer) that dares to defy them.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Similar assessment to the whole Zimmerman/Martin issue.
-Frem
Really? You mean the kid was high on weed? Carrying burglary tools? attempting to kill an armed non-black person? (OK, I'll give you that one for now, as well as possessing stolen property) Habitual repetitive criminal delinquent?
Just like Trevon Martin?
I had not yet heard all those facts come out.
OK, you got me.
At that point in time, the facts of Michael Brown also being a habitual criminal, also high on weed, also an enormous thug, just like Trevon Martin, had not come out yet - clearly your sources were better than the rest of us. With the other admitted similarities of both of them trying to assault or kill an armed non-black person, and possessing freshly stolen property, it does appear to have a great many similarities between Trevon Martin and Michael Brown.
Wait a minute - why have we not seen pictures of Michael Brown from 5 years ago when he was an adorable 100-pound cute dreamy punk, just like we got with Trevon?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:Quote:I know that blacks are arrested and charged with more crimes, I'm not sure that they actually commit more.
And meanwhile, according to the FBI crime stats, blacks COMMIT far more crime, violent crime, over all by % than any other group.
Everyone just LOVES to talk about how badly blacks are treated by the cops, but no one wants to deal w/ the elephant in the room, that blacks commit far more than " their fair share " of crime in the first place.
Cause and effect, hon.
When the policing is color-blind, I'll look at the stats, but right now they're tainted.
OH, come on.
This may be true in your local neighborhood, but I see as a matter of routine when the cops regularly nickel and dime every white person they can find making piddly violations of ordinance, while wholesale active blindly allowing black perpetrators to run rampant. Expecting minorities to behave, obey the law, or pay fines or show up for court appearances is not worth all the lawsuits and pre-emptory settlements they have to deal with. (it seems asians in respectable cars don't have this problem)
This is also why so many assumed Obamination would violate every law he could read, and thus were all proven right.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:
It's those several million bad cops that really make the other seven look bad.
Cite ?
Quote of the week.
Thanks for that.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ut oh...
'more than a dozen people have backed up Ferguson officer's story'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728772/Second-friend-cop-shot
-dead-Michael-Brown-comes-defense-say-s-quiet-respectful-guy.html
Hey NOBC !!! Does this count ?
I know it's not exactly what I was posting , but the fact that the story is being backed up by MULTIPLE witnesses leads credence to my prior post.
Brown was the aggressor, and the cop acted in self defense.
That's not ME saying that, but the story from many who claim they saw it, and the story ( allegedly ) that the cop himself has given.
Well, haven't looked at your link, so I can't say what's in it, BUT, yep it backs his story. Almost exactly as much as the bunch of witnesses that back Mike Brown's side, the ones that YOU keep rejecting.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Yes this is true and why people who rely on statistics alone are misguided. They look at those and shout prof, prof.
Ah, yes, those poor misguided people. They read those facts and hallucinate that they're in college somewhere. So they raise their hand and start trying to get the attention of the professor.
Learn to spell, dumbass. Turn your spell checker on. Learn to proof-read your stuff. Errors like that make you look EVEN MORE ignorant.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
If all the blacks in Ferguson can stay focused for years, and vote in every municipal election, then good can come out of this. But if not, then not.
I find if contradictory, not of you, Second, but in general, that only 12% of eligible black voters actually vote, but that white Republicans are so worried about someone in that 12 % committing voter fraud that they pass voter I.D laws, which die-enfranchise even more poor people, over a problem for which there seems to be very little evidence.
Also that the legislators elected by those who do vote continue to gerrymander the districts so as to dilute the power of any voter bloc except white Republicans.
Also that every time there's a voter registration drive, it's Dems operating it and Republicans opposing it.
Also that the US Supreme Court declared the Voting Rights Act unconstitutional, and unnecessary, because racism no longer is a problem in America.
Maybe so many black voters are so discouraged about voting in a system so stacked against them that they're GUARANTEED to lose, that they stopped participating.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
officer recognized stolen items after stopping the kid.
saw The Rap mention that one.
Haven't seen that item ANYWHERE ELSE, and I've been looking for it. I'd REALLY like to verify that. Don't suppose you have a source for that item of "anecdotal evidence? And how does that square with the PD Chief himself saying that the officer did not know about the reported crime at the liquor store?
Did this cop just get an ESP flash--"Hey, those cigars look just like the ones in the crime report I'm gonna get in a few minutes." Temporal telekinesis, a new police tool...?
Not sure if your logic and curiosity have been satisfied since this post, or not.
I think I heard this on one of the following radio shows: Mark Levin or Dennis Miller (the previous evening) or Sean Hannity Show just prior to posting that reply. Sean has a website and a show on FNC as well, I think.
What I had understood was this:
The cop did not connect the black thug with the store theft at first, possibly because the shoplifting, having just taken place, had not been broadcast yet.
At some point during the incident, the cop either realized the thug had expensive cigars, or heard the broadcast of the recent shoplifting in the neighborhood, and noted the connection with the cigars in the hands of the thug.... er, um, unarmed teenage thug.
The Chief or whomever, stated the first part of the above, specifically in reference to a FOI request, which is usually handled (at the direction of some lawyer, like a Prosecuting Attorney) in the most non-effusive way, so as not to reveal too much of the case. The part about the non-connection was accurate AT THE BEGINNING of the interaction, but the Chief did not elaborate about the ensuing developments.
I'm not trying to confuse anything, but that was the way I recall what I had heard. Does that make sense to you?
You MAY NOTE, if you read it, that I found and posted a documented source for YOUR " anecdotal " story on Aug 19 at 10:46 AM.
Glad to know that you get your news from Sean Hannity, Dennis Miller, and Mark Levin, ( all EXTREMELY reliable, totally objective journalists-- NOT!.)by listening to it on the radio, rather than by READING it.
The greatest virtue to WRITTEN journalism, on paper or even online, is that it CAN record a journalist's statements in a manner that can be re-accessed later, accurately, for validation or correction. Instead of being "anecdotal" As in, " I heard it on the radio somewhere, sometime, by ONE of these guys. "
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am not saying the cops are not overstepping their authority. What I am saying is that the press know exactly how to go about getting themselves arrested.
for accuracy, I snipped some here. Irrelevant stuff-- NOBC
What he did was so obvious it was an are you kidding me moment.
And these professional police officers aren't trained to recognize provocation by people they encounter? Especially obvious provocation? And aren't trained in how to deal with unco-operative citizens who are asserting their own personal constitutional rights? And aren't taught the legal limits on their (police officers') power and authority?
Oh, yeah, I forgot-- this IS in Ferguson Missouri. They are taught how to do that stuff down there... Beat 'em with your nightstick. Gas 'em. SHOOT 'em. Handcuff 'em and arrest 'em, and then haul 'em to the station. Where their superiors, who ARE BETTER trained, dismiss the charges and let 'em go, because they know about the court rulings that say that police officers DON'T have the right to do that. And because the superiors know about the lawsuits that will be filed, and won, and upheld, because those are settled matters of legal precedent; and know about how much those lawsuits WILL COST, in fighting , and after they're lost, in settlement payouts.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguso
n-holocaust-_n_5689822.html
About as easy a collar as the cops could hope for.
Yep, saw a picture of this. 2 beefy looking young local policewomen handling this 80 year old woman by the elbows because they've got her hands secured behind her back.
I'm sure the policewomen were in fear of their lives. The little old lady might have been a terrorist. I'm surprised they weren't wearing helmets and body armor, and didn't have their weapons drawn for protection against this "threat".
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
get with the program here.
"Ya, zat's right! Follow ze orders given by der Fuhrer JSF here. Ve haf vays uf dealing vith people like YOU."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
BCoat
You’re kidding right, you're concerned I misspelled a word? Stay on track. There are two competing realities here. Part of the problem in dealing with this type of situation, is separating out how people perceive it. The African American community see four hundred years of oppression behind each of these type incidents. They are left feeling as though they do not matter to the country as a whole. To them the cop was guilty before he fired his gun.
The other side, or reality of the situation are the facts of the case. This cop may have been justified in feeling he was in a life threatening situation. I don’t know yet. In these threads it really does not matter. What has mattered throughout to some is jumping on the band wagon. To wage a war against what they perceive as an injustice practiced exclusively by the white community. Well, no one is denying the plight of the African American community for 400 years in this country. Yet to suggest that it has not led to the creation of dysfunctional black communities across this nation, has been and continues to be detrimental to solving the problems that need resolving.
I thought blacks represented 19% of the country’s population. It may be closer to 13% I am not sure. Yet they represent 50% of the people convicted for murder. Over 90% of blacks who are killed, are killed by other blacks. What happened in Ferguson will be found out. It will not change the fact that the root of the problem resides within the black community itself. It is cultural and nothing will change without many more coming to terms with that. Many more meaning the black community itself.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/18/hedy-epstein-arrested-ferguso
n-holocaust-_n_5689822.html
About as easy a collar as the cops could hope for.
Short of shooting her in the back of the head you mean?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
You ever look in the mirror?
With NOBC, or course, it's already settled:
the unarmed, compliant, unassuming, law-
abiding, non-drugged, innocent, non-thieving,
meek, running away child was absolutely,
beyond any reasonable doubt, Innocent.
No need to confuse the issue with facts,
those darn inconvenient things.
And YOU are a lying sack of Gose.
You infer those things, maybe. But quote me
where I wrote them. C'mon. "Bring it, ya
fucking animal." Bring it on.
I posted the link to the conservative blog
about Brown's hip hop/rap ambitions. I posted
about the fact that he had marijuana in his
system. I'm posting documented sources for the conservative argument, AREN"T I?
You're one of those Tea Party folks, aren't
you? Proud of that fact, aren't you? Believe
in the Constitution, don't you? And in the
Bill of Rights, don't you?Or maybe only the Second one, the one about YOUR right to own a gun and scare folks at Starbucks.
I believe in the Fifth and Sixth AMendments, the ones about being innocent until proven guilty in a court of law; and the one about not being deprived of life liberty or property without due process of law.
HOw do YOU feel about those two? Maybe rights only count if they're yours, not if some racial inferior of yours wants to claim them.
I'm ready for your response, the one about, "that's not what the Founders meant about those two amendments."
If you need me to. I can provide documentation about those amendments, not just "anecdotal evidencee."
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Just ask Trader Joe's. They must keep their fellow blacks subjugated and penned in the poor neighborhoods to maintain their lifestyle of wealth from race-baiting. This is why they insist upon keeping the jobs out of the areas, and looting, rioting, and burning any business (AKA employer) that dares to defy them.
Trader Joe's did that? ANd you can document that? Or is it 'anecdotal evidence"?
Or maybe you are referring to Jesse and AL? In that case , LEARN TO WRITE A COHERENT PARAGRAPH. I learned that in a PUBLIC HIGH SCHOOL? Maybe they didn't cover that before you dropped out.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The Chief or whomever, stated the first part of the above, specifically in reference to a FOI request, which is usually handled (at the direction of some lawyer, like a Prosecuting Attorney) in the most non-effusive way, so as not to reveal too much of the case.
OH, yeah , the most non-effusive way? Like at a TV press conference.... usually
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am not saying the cops are not overstepping their authority. What I am saying is that the press know exactly how to go about getting themselves arrested.
for accuracy, I snipped some here. Irrelevant stuff-- NOBC
What he did was so obvious it was an are you kidding me moment.
And these professional police officers aren't trained to recognize provocation by people they encounter? Especially obvious provocation? And aren't trained in how to deal with unco-operative citizens who are asserting their own personal constitutional rights? And aren't taught the legal limits on their (police officers') power and authority?
Oh, yeah, I forgot-- this IS in Ferguson Missouri. They are taught how to do that stuff down there... Beat 'em with your nightstick. Gas 'em. SHOOT 'em. Handcuff 'em and arrest 'em, and then haul 'em to the station. Where their superiors, who ARE BETTER trained, dismiss the charges and let 'em go, because they know about the court rulings that say that police officers DON'T have the right to do that. And because the superiors know about the lawsuits that will be filed, and won, and upheld, because those are settled matters of legal precedent; and know about how much those lawsuits WILL COST, in fighting , and after they're lost, in settlement payouts.
Yes they see it for what it is. Does that mean they let the person stay in a restaurant they are trying to close? Or continue to be belligerent? Or do they take him out forcible, meaning under arrest? What they do is arrest the person. Then the next day watch how they denied the reporter or whomever their rights plastered all over the news. Watch how they are portrayed as out of control. Which is exactly what the reporter did. Whenever a reporter becomes the story, 99% of the time it is lousy reporting from lousy reporter.
It is about sectionalism. A tendency to be more concerned with the interests of your particular group or region than with the problems and interests of the larger group, country, etc. In other words, stirring up the pot to gain ratings. Things are bad enough without creating false images due to your own behavior while reporting the news.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
BCoat
You’re kidding right, you're concerned I misspelled a word?
Congradulations. You got through a complete post without any spelling errors I could find. Now, punctuation and verb use errors-- I can show you the ones you made in that post, if you want to learn about them.
They undercut the inteligence of your arguments, made YOU look ignorant, or uneducated ( stupid, dumb-- if you need small words) to an educated person. They suggest that any argument you may make is uneducated.
Hey, I made a spelling error in this post. I cuaght it myself, I did it on porpose. I report it here. Consider it a test-- can you find it without using a spell checker? How much help do you need? How many of your buddies will it take to recconize it?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Since I have not been impressed with your being able to sort through the issues in this thread in an objective manner, I will forgo the lesson you offer and instead suggest to you that you try and think things through before you post. I would rather be able to understand an issue than spell it.
As others here love to say, ad hom....posting on your part.
Besides, correcting my spelling is MAGONDAUGHTERS job.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
At that point in time, the facts of Michael Brown also being a habitual criminal,
ANd you can document that statement, of course? The "habitual " part? Is that something you heard on Hannity? Or maybe "anecdotal"?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:Your first sentence is :
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am not saying the cops are not overstepping their authority. What I am saying is that the press know exactly how to go about getting themselves arrested.
for accuracy, I snipped some here. Irrelevant stuff-- NOBC
What he did was so obvious it was an are you kidding me moment.
And these professional police officers aren't trained to recognize provocation by people they encounter? Especially obvious provocation? And aren't trained in how to deal with unco-operative citizens who are asserting their own personal constitutional rights? And aren't taught the legal limits on their (police officers') power and authority?
Oh, yeah, I forgot-- this IS in Ferguson Missouri. They are taught how to do that stuff down there... Beat 'em with your nightstick. Gas 'em. SHOOT 'em. Handcuff 'em and arrest 'em, and then haul 'em to the station. Where their superiors, who ARE BETTER trained, dismiss the charges and let 'em go, because they know about the court rulings that say that police officers DON'T have the right to do that. And because the superiors know about the lawsuits that will be filed, and won, and upheld, because those are settled matters of legal precedent; and know about how much those lawsuits WILL COST, in fighting , and after they're lost, in settlement payouts.
Yes they see it for what it is. Does that mean they let the person stay in a restaurant they are trying to close? Or continue to be belligerent? Or do they take him out forcible, meaning under arrest? What they do is arrest the person. Then the next day watch how they denied the reporter or whomever their rights plastered all over the news. Watch how they are portrayed as out of control. Which is exactly what the reporter did. Whenever a reporter becomes the story, 99% of the time it is lousy reporting from lousy reporter.
It is about sectionalism. A tendency to be more concerned with the interests of your particular group or region than with the problems and interests of the larger group, country, etc. In other words, stirring up the pot to gain ratings. Things are bad enough without creating false images due to your own behavior while reporting the news.
Quote:
I am not saying the cops are not overstepping their authority.
ANd then you spend the rest of the post doing exactly that.
What happened when the cops and reporters got to the station? What did the superior officers do? Pretty much exactly what I said they did, didn't they? Dismissed the charges and let the reporters go? Did they publicly apologize for being wrong and in violation of the reporters' rights YET ?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
"Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you," he writes. "Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/sunil-dutta-police-washington
-post_n_5692266.html
For too many it is impossible. I my self was slammed to the ground and pummeled by 6 cops. I was the one in the wrong that caused it. They were wrong in their response to my behavior. Shit happens when emotions run high. When a cop says do something like stand their and be quite for a moment, then do it. It is not time for a debate. If that were done more often, then maybe police stops would become cops waving high when you pass.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
"Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you," he writes. "Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/19/sunil-dutta-police-washington
-post_n_5692266.html
For too many it is impossible.
Are you one of those Constitutionalists? Tea Partier, like JSF or Rap? Libertarian? Maybe you can show me in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, where a free citizen is required to do any of those things. Because it ain't in there. Ain't in the law or the court rulings. Oh, yeah, you suggested in another post that the law isn't important if you're a cop? ( Forgive me, that's "anecdotal." I can probably go back and find the post and document exactly what you wrote, if I want to work at it hard enough? Or maybe you'd care to find the post I'm "anecdotally" referring to? Maybe I heard it on the radio-- mighta been Hannity, or Beck, or El Rusho.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Nope Fern not the reason. Stop pretending you understand the street
First off, maybe you oughtta stop calling him FERN. Give him some respect, asshole. He goes by the screen name FREM. And don't pull some crap about being dislexic or some shit like that. Either quit being malicious or learn to read and type.
Hey, THUG, did you ever respond to this one? Maybe that was another one of your spelling errors, only you spelled it wrong in several posts?
'Cuz if you did, I missed it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
….Bcoat
Are you one of those Constitutionalists? Tea Partier, like JSF or Rap? Libertarian? Maybe you can show me in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, where a free citizen is required to do any of those things. Because it ain't in there. Ain't in the law or the court rulings. Oh, yeah, you suggested in another post that the law isn't important if you're a cop? ( Forgive me, that's "anecdotal." I can probably go back and find the post and document exactly what you wrote, if I want to work at it hard enough? Or maybe you'd care to find the post I'm "anecdotally" referring to? Maybe I heard it on the radio-- mighta been Hannity, or Beck, or El Rusho.
First you have a few grammatical and spelling errors. Perhaps you should check my spelling with a spell checker rather than rely on your spelling skills? Perhaps you think I misspelled a word and instead it is a word that is not in your vocabulary so you think it is something it is not? Second I am an independent who believes Republicans have gone crazy and Tea Partiers are nuts. Libertarians are very limited in scope as far as the world goes, and are more likely to vote against anything that helps minorities or the population in general. I don’t care for their views either. I don’t really listen to them much. I guess I should listen more so I can pin down how they are in effect separatists that do not see the country as a collective.
I actually thought the name was Fern. It is one of those things that I saw the first time and never looked back. I would point out the name caller in this thread is you. Care to go back and look at your posts as apposed to mine?
Why don't you try addressing what I post rather than the misspelling of a word. I have made two or three posts that you have responded to without touching on what I said. Only how I said it.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Hey Rap,
The quote below is NOT mine, you got me confused with someone else:
SGG
Also...
Quote:
And we're supposed to buy that shit from Breitbart, the same shitheads who posted a pic of a protestor throwing a tear gas grenade BACK at the cops while insisting it was a fuckin molotov ?
Riiiiight.
And apparently you missed EC's relevant post earlier, with cite from CCNews.
You dismiss Breitbart, but then go on to cite CCN ? ROFLMAO !!!!
Man, talk about being a total conspiracy nutjob !
I doubt very much there was any " insisting " of anything, as you claim. Molotov cocktails were thrown. If some intern misidentified an object being thrown in a photo, does that mean the event didn't take place ?
Who the hell is CCN ? One of PN's rivals ?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
so folks need to chill the hell out and back off before they start making more baseless accusations.
[i/]You should follow your own advice, methinks![i/]
SGG
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
And another thing...
No one is suggesting that even with young Michael having roughed up the store clerk and stealing $ 50.00 worth of cheap cigars did he DESERVED to die.
There still is the matter of what exactly took place when he encountered the cop.
The cop didn't know M.B. was a suspect, but because M.B. had just committed a strong arm robbery, he likely DID assume the cop was coming after him.
So far, the claims that the cop shot M.B. in the back have proven false. Makes one wonder what ELSE some have claimed took place didn't happen either.
That STILL does not clear the cop of being accused of 2nd degree murder, or what ever the charge he gets. And yes, I do expect something to happen to the cop, as the case proceeds.
Whether a hardened criminal or a choir boy, I still haven't seen evidence which justifies M.B. being on the receiving end of 6 + shots fired by the cop.
WAS he trying to wrestle the gun away from the officer ? IF that's found to be the case, then sadly , it may be the tragic conclusion of some really poor judgements made by a young man that day, resulting in his death.
Tox results still have to come in too, so folks need to chill the hell out and back off before they start making more baseless accusations.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
All the witnesses said the cop shot him in the back. How is it all the witness saw him shot in the back?
They didn't. They were LYING.
I wish this site had a thing in the quote feature to time and date stamp the original post. would make it easier to find them.
I thought of this post this morning when we were discussing the pro-police eyewitnesses. I suggested that they should be given the same weight as the pro-Brown ones RAp had been rejecting. Figgered he was gonna claim he never did that. Aug 17, 12:14 AM , this one was.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I see Bcoat you are still not going to address the content of my posts. Have a problem with trying to show it is wrong? Or that some how I am a bigot as 1kiki suggested. I deal in reality not political correctness.
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:Quote:
….Bcoat
Are you one of those Constitutionalists? Tea Partier, like JSF or Rap? Libertarian? Maybe you can show me in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, where a free citizen is required to do any of those things. Because it ain't in there. Ain't in the law or the court rulings. Oh, yeah, you suggested in another post that the law isn't important if you're a cop? ( Forgive me, that's "anecdotal." I can probably go back and find the post and document exactly what you wrote, if I want to work at it hard enough? Or maybe you'd care to find the post I'm "anecdotally" referring to? Maybe I heard it on the radio-- mighta been Hannity, or Beck, or El Rusho.
First you have a few grammatical and spelling errors. Perhaps you should check my spelling with a spell checker rather than rely on your spelling skills? Perhaps you think I misspelled a word and instead it is a word that is not in your vocabulary so you think it is something it is not? Second I am an independent who believes Republicans have gone crazy and Tea Partiers are nuts. Libertarians are very limited in scope as far as the world goes, and are more likely to vote against anything that helps minorities or the population in general. I don’t care for their views either. I don’t really listen to them much. I guess I should listen more so I can pin down how they are in effect separatists that do not see the country as a collective.
I actually thought the name was Fern. It is one of those things that I saw the first time and never looked back. I would point out the name caller in this thread is you. Care to go back and look at your posts as apposed to mine?
Why don't you try addressing what I post rather than the misspelling of a word. I have made two or three posts that you have responded to without touching on what I said. Only how I said it.
You might notice that I've been polite or apologized to folks I respect. I try to, with folks like that. Sometimes even when I knew they wouldn't care, but my sense of rightness suggested that I had been unfair or inaccurate with them.
MAybe you'd care to respond to the main point of my post Or is answering questions something you don't do?
NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME