Another Unarmed Black Teen Killed

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THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:35 AM

What question was that? If you mean about cops not being accountable I never said that. If you are talking about listening to cops when they say do something. It is the law, they are the law. If they make a mistake get a lawyer or file a complaint but do not become combative.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
On Saturday, Michael Brown, 18, was shot by a police officer in Ferguson, a suburb of St. Louis. The Ferguson Police Department has asserted that Brown assaulted the officer, whose name has not yet been released. Eyewitnesses, however, have disputed that claim and said Brown was killed while attempting to surrender or flee.
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Funny thing is that if the police account is true, then the cop who shot him is a hero and why wouldn't they release his name? After all he did attack a police officer with his bare hands, in a moving vehicle with an armed officer of the "law."

Shot him multiple times, and even shot him in the back, according to witness accounts.

SGG

Maybe getting over the 300 post hump made me have to at least click on this link....

It's very sad. I do believe that Rappy is right and an autopsy will make the right conclusions if it's all done properly.... and I hope to God that given how prevalent this case seems to be to the public that it is all done by the book for everyone involved.

I'm really hoping that the answer lies somewhere in the fringes and that either the Cops were right and the kid was a Murderous Leech on society or that the local police station there conspired to kill this kid hoping that their shields would.... well... shield them from any blowback....

Chances are, the truth lies somwhere in the middle and this story, no matter how sad it is, is just another one that I wish I never knew about...

That's my vote. Cops are dicks. The dead kid was a dick. Case closed.

I know one of these days there will be a REAL Batman and even the dirty cops will cower in fear.

In the mean time... whatever.....

Sorry black teen's Mother. Even if he was the biggest asshole in the world, and I'm not even suggesting he was since I know nothing about the story, you never stopped loving him.

I really hope he wasn't a bad guy and that those responsible for his death are made to pay.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:44 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Ut oh...

'more than a dozen people have backed up Ferguson officer's story'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728772/Second-friend-cop-shot
-dead-Michael-Brown-comes-defense-say-s-quiet-respectful-guy.html

Hey NOBC !!! Does this count ?

I know it's not exactly what I was posting , but the fact that the story is being backed up by MULTIPLE witnesses leads credence to my prior post.

Brown was the aggressor, and the cop acted in self defense.

That's not ME saying that, but the story from many who claim they saw it, and the story ( allegedly ) that the cop himself has given.

AH, here it is, I went looking for this original post.

Followed the link to the Daily Mail, and looked at the story. Got this far:

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St. Louis Post-Dispatch reporter who tweeted on Monday that 'more than a dozen witnesses corroborated cop's story' later admitted she was on leave and her post was 'personal'

Not sure exactly what that means, but it reads to me as the Daily Mail won't report her statement as valid journalism. ANd it sounds like she's backing away from it herself, claiming it's not up to her own standards as a professional journalist. Just a personal tweet. How close it that to "anecdotal"?

THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:51 AM

Yeah OK you are confusing things NOBC. Are you going to respond to what I have been posting today as apposed to just criticizing my spelling.

6IXSTRINGJACK

Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:00 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Yeah OK you are confusing things NOBC. Are you going to respond to what I have been posting today as apposed to just criticizing my spelling.

"TRUE GENIUS????

[/correcting spelling errors online by 15 years old]

Do Right, Be Right. :)

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT

Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:19 AM

saw this last night at work about the Officer Wilson support group

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/08/19/officer_darren_wilson_s_o
nline_support_group_is_as_classy_as_you_d_expect.html

Aug. 19 2014 12:07 PM
Officer Darren Wilson’s Online Support Group Is As Classy As You’d Expect

By David Weigel

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One of the stranger subcultures of the #Ferguson moment is the spontaneous support group that's collected to support Officer Darren Wilson. Gideon Resnick reports on the most prominent GoFundMe page and T-shirt campaign and Facebook group of the movement, and got a few comments from organizers. (I've requested some comments, too, because I am absolutely terrible at book leave.) They say what you might expect: They wish this situation weren't racialized. "Al and Jesse would never come out from cowardly hiding if it were a black cop and white offender," says one organizer, very un-racist-ly.

I say this is strange because Wilson has not been arrested. The GoFundMe page, which has raised more than $21,000 (and was started in St. Charles, the conservative county outside St. Louis), explains that "all proceeds will be sent directly to Darren Wilson and his family for any financial needs they may have including legal fees." The legal fees, currently, would pay for nothing. That's sort of why protesters keep taking over the streets. (By contrast, the George Zimmerman defense fund only started going after Zimmerman was arrested.)

Who would be so moved by Wilson's legal non-plight to organize for him? We Support Officer Darren Wilson, the Facebook group, greets visitors with this message: "We do NOT SUPPORT RACISM OF ANY KIND. HATRED, RACISM AND NEGGATIVE COMMENTS OR POSTS WILL RESULT IN YOUR REMOVAL OF THE GROUP." One of the group admins is Ryder Wingrath, who on Aug. 16 changed his Facebook avatar to a meme of solidarity. The change was celebrated on his Facebook wall.

I love that line with the ALL CAPS. Hey, Thug, did you write it? Or is it just somebody who can't spell any better than you can? And misbehavior will result in REMOVAL OF THE GROUP... Huh? THey're all gonna go away and leave you alone? or maybe they mean "from" the group? But ya can see the importance of proper spelling and of proper word usage.

Lotta stuff from the website. I can't get it to copy but here's a quote:

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Bernie Blair: I think the cop is a hero. One down, many more to go. August 16 at 3:56 PM

OH, but none of it is from racists. None of the Animal Planet pictures, or non worker jokes, or other stuff.

There's plenty more from Weigel, and from the sidebars his piece links to. I'm not gonna quote any more of it, but all of you lefties might go there. If it doesn't piss you off, or make you sick, it'll make you laugh. The rest of you, you might find it inspirational. And there's links to places where you could contribute money to groups pledging for his legal defense funding.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:40 AM

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…NOBC
I love that line with the ALL CAPS. Hey, Thug, did you write it? Or is it just somebody who can't spell any better than you can? And misbehavior will result in REMOVAL OF THE GROUP... Huh? THey're all gonna go away and leave you alone? or maybe they mean "from" the group? But ya can see the importance of proper spelling and of proper word usage.

No NOBC, What I write you ignore because it is on a level you cannot address. What you do instead is criticize my spelling. It just shows you side stepping the issue because as I said, it is over your head. The funniest thing is, as I cut and paste your responses into word, it is the one with the grammatical errors. I put it to all here to cut and paste this in word and see who the moron is here. It’s really funny seeing all your errors in this post(5 if you include the whole post), as well as the others as I type my responses. Funny because it is the pot calling the kettle black. Cut and post all mine into word and hers as well. I am not saying I don't make mistakes, but let's see who does it more often? I think you'll be surprised NOBC.

As I keep saying. Address what I have been posting to you today. What nothing to say about the content?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 2:57 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Well, haven't looked at your link, so I can't say what's in it, BUT, yep it backs his story. Almost exactly as much as the bunch of witnesses that back Mike Brown's side, the ones that YOU keep rejecting.

But how can that be ? Who'd back up the cop if they didn't see what they had actually thought they saw ?

And what about those who claimed Mike was shot in the back ? Arms raised ?

Sorry, facts don't support that. His arms were never raised. That's the myth that those w/ an agenda want to promote.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:13 AM

Again Rap I don't know what happened, but I do know there are what was describe as possible reentry wounds. They to are in the front of his body. Meaning if he was facing the officer with his arms and hands in front of him the reentry wounds could be from shots hitting his arms and then his chest.

Remember, that could happen if he was laying face up and trying to protect himself from an out of control cop. It would not explain the angle of the shot to the head. Still it's all just speculation at this point.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, August 21, 2014 3:53 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Autopsey out. Brown not shot in the back.
ANd only shot 6 ties, not 10 as FREM suggested. 'Course one of those 6 was in the top of the head, and one went in near the right eye, came out the jaw, and went in near the collarbone. And none of them were close enough to leave powder burns.

" Now, tell me , Dr. Quincy, what does that suggest, forensically, about the positions and actions of the police officer and the deceased at the moment of the shooting?"

Asking DA, surely the aggressive thug was charging the officer, high on weed, hands full of stolen cigar boxes, stumbled, and by the time officer's gun discharged, hit thug in the top of the head.

Not that hard to figure - but, hey let's just assume that the thug's criminal accomplice is telling the truth instead, OK?

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:01 AM

Ever try shooting at a charging thug who has just broken your eye socket ?

My guess is that it's probably pretty tough to do, hold a gun and aim like that.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, August 21, 2014 4:11 AM

When being charged, assaulted, battered by thugs, once shooting commences there are not too many rules about stopping the shots, at least until the assailant stops. Many places have "no warning shots" rules - once a shot has been fired, it is to be fatal shots attempted. When Angel Dust thugs attack, they do not stop after an entire clip is unloded into them - and the cop has no way of knowing if a non-compliant assailant is in that state or not.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 5:04 AM

NOBC

I poste all day with you and not once did you answer what I posted but instead just keep your responses petty. I stayed on topic and concise. I see that created a problem for you.

I will respond back if you decide to address what I posted today.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:36 AM

Ya know what ? Since the security video, the autopsy, the multiple eye witnesses, and then the revelations that the cop had a busted eye socket, it seems many of the usual suspects have grown mute.

Wonder why.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:44 AM

I don't want to make a prediction. There are clearly no winners here.

JONGSSTRAW

Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:22 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

..., and then the revelations that the cop had a busted eye socket

So the cop pulls up to Brown so close that he can't get out of his car; so close that Brown is able to push him back inside, pound on his face, and then a struggle for the gun ensues? So then, after getting his ass kicked, the cop recovers enough to try again to confront Brown? And all this is done without waiting for backup or even having a dash cam on?

He must be either the worst-trained cop in history or the dumbest cop in history.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, August 21, 2014 12:47 PM

Well 6SJ,

Here's how I look at it.

It doesn't matter what the kid did, or if he was an asshole or not. Crossing against the light, shoplifting cigars, jaywalking, what have you.

Fact: He was unarmed

Fact: He was shot 6 times

Fact: The police are hired to keep the peace, arrest lawbreakers and bring them to justice. Not to be judge, jury and executioner.

It has been reported that the officer suffered a broken eye socket, supposedly at the hands of the kid, I don't feel that it is a sufficient enough reason to shoot someone 6 times. If someone punches you in the face, you punch them back, not pull out a howitzer and start blasting. Remember he is an officer of the law and represents the county and state, and the will of the people (okay that last part is a little corny).

Add to that the fact, as reported by the Police Chief, that he didn't know that this kid was anything but a kid "jaywalking" down the middle of the street, so he had no other reason than being annoyed he was illegally walking down the street. Which makes this even more disturbing because he shot a kid over the most asinine reason ever - he was jaywalking. Words were exchanged, obviously, and the result a cop loses it and empties a clip on a dumb kid who didn't know enough to shut up.

So what was the state of mind of the cop as he chased this kid down the street? What possessed him to shoot him twice in the head? A punch to the face, is that what made him freak and blow him away? Did he call for back up? Once he was on the ground, why did he keep shooting after wounding him?
On the surface, it was not a justifiable shoot. Not one cop, not the police chief, not anyone has made that claim. They're not even claiming self defense.

4 miles up the road, the county police there shot and killed and armed, and slightly crazed, black man who was wielding a knife. Justifiable? Absolutely. The police chief of that jurisdiction came out and gave a full account of his officer's actions. No cover up, just the facts as they were given to him. Full disclosure, although preliminary, but nonetheless immediate full disclosure.

If the Ferguson officer was assaulted, then Brown should have been arrested and tried for assault. Not shot 6 times. Especially since he was unarmed.

The autopsy was inconclusive.

Fact: We still don't have the DNA evidence from the officers gun. That will show if Brown laid hands on the gun in the struggled.

Fact: The officer's report, where is it?

Fact: Why did the police chief have him hide if he acted within the law?

It reminds me of the OJ trial. If he was innocent why did he run in the white Bronco?

Stands to reason that if it was a good shoot, he would stand tall and say Yeah, I shot him for this reason!

SGG

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
On Saturday, Michael Brown, 18, was shot by a police officer in Ferguson, a suburb of St. Louis. The Ferguson Police Department has asserted that Brown assaulted the officer, whose name has not yet been released. Eyewitnesses, however, have disputed that claim and said Brown was killed while attempting to surrender or flee.
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Funny thing is that if the police account is true, then the cop who shot him is a hero and why wouldn't they release his name? After all he did attack a police officer with his bare hands, in a moving vehicle with an armed officer of the "law."

Shot him multiple times, and even shot him in the back, according to witness accounts.

SGG

Maybe getting over the 300 post hump made me have to at least click on this link....

It's very sad. I do believe that Rappy is right and an autopsy will make the right conclusions if it's all done properly.... and I hope to God that given how prevalent this case seems to be to the public that it is all done by the book for everyone involved.

I'm really hop

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, August 21, 2014 1:07 PM

Totally agree with you.

When an officer is "being charged, assaulted, battered by thugs, once shooting commences there are not too many rules about stopping the shots, at least until the assailant stops."

But usually when someone is running away, it's kind of hard to attack.
Still though, if there was a struggle, the cop had to be feared for his life, not afraid of getting his ass handed to him by a 6' 4" "thug".

Call for back-up.

During the autopsy report the doctor said that there was no gunpowder residue on the victim's clothes, which means that the shots were fired from more than 3 feet. Plus the shots entered Brown's body on a downward angle, indicating that Brown was either squatting or on the street.

Normally, to attack, you need to be upright. The doctor stated that the fatal shots were the ones to the head. Those were definitely fired on a downward angle. Unless the officer got up on a ladder................

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When being charged, assaulted, battered by thugs, once shooting commences there are not too many rules about stopping the shots, at least until the assailant stops. Many places have "no warning shots" rules - once a shot has been fired, it is to be fatal shots attempted. When Angel Dust thugs attack, they do not stop after an entire clip is unloded into them - and the cop has no way of knowing if a non-compliant assailant is in that state or not.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:17 PM

When an officer is attacked, and damn near incapacitated, ( broken eye sockets tend to do that ) his first priority is no longer to defend and protect the thug attacking him, but to remain alive.

In a perfect world, there'd be a happy middle ground, where a cop could only subdue an attacker, w/ out the use of lethal force. Tasers work, " usually ", but in the flash of a moment where the cop may have been caught off guard at the viciousness of the attack, while in severe pain himself, this homicide may very well have been justified.

At the very least, the myth that this cop "executed " a young black man who had given up and was raising his hands in surrender seems to be the stuff of pure fiction, and no where near the truth.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 7:52 PM

Yeah, I am guilty of calling Brown a kid many times myself. He was in fact a 6'4" 300 pound male. One of the witnesses initially said the cop tried to pull Brown into the squad car through the window. This was the first statement that raised suspicions for me.

I know the belief of many is that the cops should not have released the video of Brown robbing the store. The cop did not know it at the time so it was irrelevant. It does go to show Browns mood just moments before he was approached by the cop. Also Brown had no way of knowing the cop did not know.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 21, 2014 8:11 PM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I know the belief of many is that the cops should not have released the video of Brown robbing the store. The cop did not know it at the time so it was irrelevant. It does go to show Browns mood just moments before he was approached by the cop. Also Brown had no way of knowing the cop did not know.

I think they should have released the video earlier. There's no logical reason why showing the actual true events prior to his encounter should enrage anyone. It's a nonsensical and illogical reaction. The only reason folks got upset is because it showed them what they wanted. They lashed out like children.

It doesn't matter that the cop didn't know, the point is that the video showed the state of mind of Brown, and how violent he had just been. So it was completely relevant.

Also, if Brown had just roughed up a store clerk,and stolen a bunch of cigars, then a cop rolls up on him , what's the first thing he's gonna think ? That the cop is responding to a robbery call, that's what.

THGRRI

Thursday, August 21, 2014 10:07 PM

I am going to let this go for a while. My thing is more about why this keeps happening and what are the root causes. We really need a fix for this but I do not see that happening.

AURAPTOR

Friday, August 22, 2014 3:42 AM

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am going to let this go for a while. My thing is more about why this keeps happening and what are the root causes. We really need a fix for this but I do not see that happening.

Stats say it doesn't happen all that much. Black males are FAR more in danger from other black males.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 22, 2014 4:13 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well 6SJ,

Here's how I look at it.

It doesn't matter what the kid did, or if he was an asshole or not. Crossing against the light, shoplifting cigars, jaywalking, what have you.

Fact: He was unarmed

Many states recognize hands as lethal weapons. How many reasonable people would truly consider a 6'4" 300 pound criminal high on angel dust or whatever he was on to be unarmed? And the point of being compliant in the presense of and armed officer is to allow them to verify that you are NOT in possession of a weapon - if you don't comply, they must assume you are armed, and put you down.
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Fact: He was shot 6 times

Fact: The police are hired to keep the peace, arrest lawbreakers and bring them to justice.

Surely this is a reasonable argument - society needs police (this is in America, not some backwater theocracy) to arrest criminals, and those criminals who choose to commit more crimes by resisting arrest so they can continue to commit more crimes should be stopped at all costs.
I recall the times serial killers have been stopped amidst their sprees when officers did not adhere to commands to cease pursuit, only to find that the reason for fleeing was the corpse of the 26th victim was wrapped in carpet in the truck bed - would not have been stopped if we would just let all those criminals carry on if they don't feel like pulling over amidst the commission of a crime.
Good plan.
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Not to be judge, jury and executioner.

OOoops. Spoke too soon, poster went off the rails. Accidentally swerved into sensible thinking above, but now has returned to the quicksand of libtardity.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 22, 2014 4:20 AM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Normally, to attack, you need to be upright. The doctor stated that the fatal shots were the ones to the head. Those were definitely fired on a downward angle. Unless the officer got up on a ladder................

SGG

Are you clueless? Have you never, ever, heard to "keep your shoulders down" when charging an opponent? Any athlete chargin an opponent without their helmet and shoulders down will be beaten "at the line of scrimmage" in our popular sport, and will be taken off the starting roster. Why would somebody charge another running with upright posture, like a girl? Do you think he ran upright at the patrol car and attacked it with his knees? Even if the kid is a criminal, are you suggesting he was stupid to the point of retardation that would prompt him to attack a car with his knees? If not, then he likely had his shoulders down when he hit the car.
Come on, use a little sense.

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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When being charged, assaulted, battered by thugs, once shooting commences there are not too many rules about stopping the shots, at least until the assailant stops. Many places have "no warning shots" rules - once a shot has been fired, it is to be fatal shots attempted. When Angel Dust thugs attack, they do not stop after an entire clip is unloded into them - and the cop has no way of knowing if a non-compliant assailant is in that state or not.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 22, 2014 4:31 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
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officer recognized stolen items after stopping the kid.

saw The Rap mention that one.

Haven't seen that item ANYWHERE ELSE, and I've been looking for it. I'd REALLY like to verify that. Don't suppose you have a source for that item of "anecdotal evidence? And how does that square with the PD Chief himself saying that the officer did not know about the reported crime at the liquor store?

Did this cop just get an ESP flash--"Hey, those cigars look just like the ones in the crime report I'm gonna get in a few minutes." Temporal telekinesis, a new police tool...?

Not sure if your logic and curiosity have been satisfied since this post, or not.

I think I heard this on one of the following radio shows: Mark Levin or Dennis Miller (the previous evening) or Sean Hannity Show just prior to posting that reply. Sean has a website and a show on FNC as well, I think.

What I had understood was this:
The cop did not connect the black thug with the store theft at first, possibly because the shoplifting, having just taken place, had not been broadcast yet.
At some point during the incident, the cop either realized the thug had expensive cigars, or heard the broadcast of the recent shoplifting in the neighborhood, and noted the connection with the cigars in the hands of the thug.... er, um, unarmed teenage thug.

The Chief or whomever, stated the first part of the above, specifically in reference to a FOI request, which is usually handled (at the direction of some lawyer, like a Prosecuting Attorney) in the most non-effusive way, so as not to reveal too much of the case. The part about the non-connection was accurate AT THE BEGINNING of the interaction, but the Chief did not elaborate about the ensuing developments.

I'm not trying to confuse anything, but that was the way I recall what I had heard. Does that make sense to you?

Glad to know that you get your news from Sean Hannity, Dennis Miller, and Mark Levin, ( all EXTREMELY reliable, totally objective journalists-- NOT!.)by listening to it on the radio, rather than by READING it.

OK, so now you have made it clear that you were not really looking for the facts. Those 3 show hosts normally credit each of their sources, specifying who and where and when the information or quote came from. When you openly reject any facts or truth which don't conform to your model based solely on your opinion of the source, you lay bare your inherent bias. Yes, you got me - I was under the delusion you were genuinely in search of facts, data, truth, and so I provided you some helpful info (those shows are frequently available in recorded or transcribed form after their airing), albeit not as timely as you may have wanted. I suppose if I had claimed that CNN or Dan Blather had reported some actual unbiased, unfiltered news, you would have swallowed that wiener whole.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, August 22, 2014 10:06 AM

This is no longer fun, but I will answer your post thusly:

Firstly, I played football, so I know about keeping low, I've done it a time or two when I was a kid. But this ain't football. Period.

And B, I laid out anyone I hit. Period.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Normally, to attack, you need to be upright. The doctor stated that the fatal shots were the ones to the head. Those were definitely fired on a downward angle. Unless the officer got up on a ladder................

SGG

Are you clueless? Have you never, ever, heard to "keep your shoulders down" when charging an opponent? Any athlete chargin an opponent without their helmet and shoulders down will be beaten "at the line of scrimmage" in our popular sport, and will be taken off the starting roster. Why would somebody charge another running with upright posture, like a girl? Do you think he ran upright at the patrol car and attacked it with his knees? Even if the kid is a criminal, are you suggesting he was stupid to the point of retardation that would prompt him to attack a car with his knees? If not, then he likely had his shoulders down when he hit the car.
Come on, use a little sense.
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
When being charged, assaulted, battered by thugs, once shooting commences there are not too many rules about stopping the shots, at least until the assailant stops. Many places have "no warning shots" rules - once a shot has been fired, it is to be fatal shots attempted. When Angel Dust thugs attack, they do not stop after an entire clip is unloded into them - and the cop has no way of knowing if a non-compliant assailant is in that state or not.

SHINYGOODGUY

Friday, August 22, 2014 10:23 AM

1. Unarmed. Must I spell it out for you?

2. I made a clear enough statement. Cops arrest people, they are not "charged" with executing them at will. We are a nation of laws, unless you come from a "backwater theocracy" where you make up the rules as you go along.

The rest of your comments, I swat away like I would a gnat.
But, of course, you will continue to try and provoke.

Here's a scenario:

I'm a cop and I see you walking toward me. I pull my service revolver and blow your head off. According to your weak statements, I would be justified in the shooting because you were coming at me in a threatening manner. My shoot would be justified, merely because you assumed the "attack position"

That would be my story. According to you, I would walk away scott free.
That's about right, isn't it?
Law and Order!

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well 6SJ,

Here's how I look at it.

It doesn't matter what the kid did, or if he was an asshole or not. Crossing against the light, shoplifting cigars, jaywalking, what have you.

Fact: He was unarmed

Many states recognize hands as lethal weapons. How many reasonable people would truly consider a 6'4" 300 pound criminal high on angel dust or whatever he was on to be unarmed? And the point of being compliant in the presense of and armed officer is to allow them to verify that you are NOT in possession of a weapon - if you don't comply, they must assume you are armed, and put you down.
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Fact: He was shot 6 times

Fact: The police are hired to keep the peace, arrest lawbreakers and bring them to justice.

Surely this is a reasonable argument - society needs police (this is in America, not some backwater theocracy) to arrest criminals, and those criminals who choose to commit more crimes by resisting arrest so they can continue to commit more crimes should be stopped at all costs.
I recall the times serial killers have been stopped amidst their sprees when officers did not adhere to commands to cease pursuit, only to find that the reason for fleeing was the corpse of the 26th victim was wrapped in carpet in the truck bed - would not have been stopped if we would just let all those criminals carry on if they don't feel like pulling over amidst the commission of a crime.
Good plan.
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Not to be judge, jury and executioner.

OOoops. Spoke too soon, poster went off the rails. Accidentally swerved into sensible thinking above, but now has returned to the quicksand of libtardity.

AURAPTOR

Friday, August 22, 2014 5:43 PM

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
1. Unarmed. Must I spell it out for you?

2. I made a clear enough statement. Cops arrest people, they are not "charged" with executing them at will. We are a nation of laws, unless you come from a "backwater theocracy" where you make up the rules as you go along.

The rest of your comments, I swat away like I would a gnat.
But, of course, you will continue to try and provoke.

Anyone know why a cop carries a gun? It's not to protect the public, but to protect THEMSELVES.

Armed or unarmed, it doesn't matter. If a cop is being attacked ( in this case, by a 6'4" 300lb male ) and suffers a broken socket from the conflict, things have just gotten real.

There was no ' execution at will ' here. There was a scuffle, a physical altercation, leading up to the shooting.

Those are the facts. Did the cop justifiably use his weapon ? Don't know yet. IS there any scenario where a cop could have used his weapon, vs an unarmed assailant ? Not in the best case scenario, but guess what ? This is the REAL WORLD. So the answer to that is, yes, there are times where use of such force is justifiable. Ignoring all the myths and hysteria that's been fabricated about this case, the hard cold truth is, sometimes a cop is allowed to defend himself.

More info needs to come out, but as of now, there's at least reasonable doubt, in my mind, that the cop MAY have acted correctly.

THGRRI

Friday, August 22, 2014 7:17 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
I am going to let this go for a while. My thing is more about why this keeps happening and what are the root causes. We really need a fix for this but I do not see that happening.

Stats say it doesn't happen all that much. Black males are FAR more in danger from other black males.

You must not be reading my posts. I mention the number is over 90%.

SECOND

Friday, August 22, 2014 8:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
This is the REAL WORLD. . . .
More info needs to come out, but as of now, there's at least reasonable doubt, in my mind, that the cop MAY have acted correctly.

There something wrong with the Ferguson Police Dept, but you can interpret its history as you please. Alex Tabarrok comments on the rather remarkable caseload of Ferguson's municipal court:

You don’t get $321 in fines and fees and 3 warrants per household from an about-average crime rate. You get numbers like this from bullshit arrests for jaywalking and constant “low level harassment involving traffic stops, court appearances, high fines, and the threat of jail for failure to pay.” -- http://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2014/08/ferguson-and-
the-debtors-prison.html

Fines and court fees comprise the second largest source of revenue for the city, a total of $2,635,400. In 2013, the Ferguson Municipal Court disposed of 24,532 warrants and 12,018 cases, or about 3 warrants and 1.5 cases per household.

Why are police departments allowed to fund themselves with ticket revenue in the first place? Or red light camera revenue. Or civil asset forfeiture revenue. Or any other kind of revenue that provides them with an incentive to be as hardass as possible.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

FREMDFIRMA

Friday, August 22, 2014 9:11 PM

Indeed, Second - that whole article is a good expose of how exactly the financial death spiral trap works, which is why despite the risk I still think it's better to oppose a bullshit arrest on the spot, cause once they get the crowbar into your life in that fashion you're as good as dead already, it's just gonna take longer.

Oh, and this little bit which came along today.

Everytown USA: Is the Policeman Your Friend?
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/25742-everytown-usa-is-the-policeman
-your-friend

Quote:
The Ferguson police said Brown was the suspect in the robbery of some cigars at a store, and released a grainy security video to prove it. Then they said Officer Wilson did not know Brown was a suspect. Then they said he did know. Then they said, for reasons passing understanding, that Brown had marijuana in his system. Then it came to light that Brown, in fact, paid for his cigars. Meanwhile, with every story switch by the police, the protesters in the street got hotter and angrier and louder. The arrests began, sweeping up journalists along with protesters, along with local citizens just trying to go about their business...

Again, and as usual, over and over again...

I Told You So.

-Frem

1KIKI

Friday, August 22, 2014 10:53 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-contradict-fox-sources-claiming-darren-
wilson-had-fractured-eye-socket/

CNN Contradicts Fox Sources Claiming Darren Wilson Had Fractured Eye Socket

OR

FOX cums in crappy's mouth and crappy spits it out here

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Friday, August 22, 2014 11:04 PM

So, let's total up the disinformation

cigars - paid for
officer - no broken eye socket
Brown - not a suspect
Brown - not killed in a close-quarters struggle

- meanwhile the Ferguson town council and PD look worse and worse -

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Friday, August 22, 2014 11:40 PM

Unlikely, no reason to shove a store clerk if you paid for cigars you weren't old enough to buy in the first place.

The rush to dishonesty here is staggering.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:07 AM

Surely some have mentioned by now that he is not a repeat criminal offender. Theft of cigars - in most places theft is a crime in white neighborhoods. Assaulting a Police Officer - that would be a felony. Hmm... I wonder if more that one is, like, repeating.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
1. Unarmed. Must I spell it out for you?

2. I made a clear enough statement. Cops arrest people, they are not "charged" with executing them at will. We are a nation of laws, unless you come from a "backwater theocracy" where you make up the rules as you go along.

The rest of your comments, I swat away like I would a gnat.
But, of course, you will continue to try and provoke.

Here's a scenario:

I'm a cop and I see you walking toward me. I pull my service revolver and blow your head off. According to your weak statements, I would be justified in the shooting because you were coming at me in a threatening manner. My shoot would be justified, merely because you assumed the "attack position"

That would be my story. According to you, I would walk away scott free.
That's about right, isn't it?
Law and Order!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well 6SJ,

Here's how I look at it.

It doesn't matter what the kid did, or if he was an asshole or not. Crossing against the light, shoplifting cigars, jaywalking, what have you.

Fact: He was unarmed

Many states recognize hands as lethal weapons. How many reasonable people would truly consider a 6'4" 300 pound criminal high on angel dust or whatever he was on to be unarmed? And the point of being compliant in the presense of and armed officer is to allow them to verify that you are NOT in possession of a weapon - if you don't comply, they must assume you are armed, and put you down.
Quote:

Fact: He was shot 6 times

Fact: The police are hired to keep the peace, arrest lawbreakers and bring them to justice.

Surely this is a reasonable argument - society needs police (this is in America, not some backwater theocracy) to arrest criminals, and those criminals who choose to commit more crimes by resisting arrest so they can continue to commit more crimes should be stopped at all costs.
I recall the times serial killers have been stopped amidst their sprees when officers did not adhere to commands to cease pursuit, only to find that the reason for fleeing was the corpse of the 26th victim was wrapped in carpet in the truck bed - would not have been stopped if we would just let all those criminals carry on if they don't feel like pulling over amidst the commission of a crime.
Good plan.
Quote:

Not to be judge, jury and executioner.

OOoops. Spoke too soon, poster went off the rails. Accidentally swerved into sensible thinking above, but now has returned to the quicksand of libtardity.

You are incorrect.
But tell me, now close to unconsciousness should an armed officer allow himself to get before defending the citizens he/she is duty-bound to protect and keeping his/her service weapon out of the hands of the assailant?

1KIKI

Saturday, August 23, 2014 3:13 AM

Originally posted by AURaptor:

My rush to dishonesty here is staggering.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 23, 2014 6:42 AM

This makes a liar out of you, 1kiki -

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Originally posted by AURaptor:

My rush to dishonesty here is staggering.

I never posted that.

It'd make perfect sense if Michael Brown hadn't appeared on video , where he shoved a store clerk , apparently for no reason what so ever, and then bowed up to the clerk, who was ever so thankful that the customer had paid in full for his cigars.

THGRRI

Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:07 AM

Hey Rappy nice catch. Proof once again that 1kiki is not just a liar but she changes what we say as well. She only changed one word but that was all it took to change the meaning of what you said completely.

1KIKI

Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:25 AM

OH, CRAPPY DOES THAT ALL THE TIME. I WAS JUST RETURNING IT BACK TO HIM. YOU'RE OK WHEN CRAPPY DOES IT, THOUGH. YOU ONLY TAKE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE WHO CHALLENGE YOUR 'FACTS'. YOU HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
OH, CRAPPY DOES THAT ALL THE TIME. I WAS JUST RETURNING IT BACK TO HIM. YOU'RE OK WHEN CRAPPY DOES IT, THOUGH. YOU ONLY TAKE ISSUE WITH PEOPLE WHO CHALLENGE YOUR 'FACTS'. YOU HAVE MENTAL PROBLEMS.

Actually, I don't. I'll fix something in the quote, and make note of what it was I changed, or I'll simply not attribute it to the person, and just rework the quote, having removed their name.

It's funny to see you get so animated over something which you're also so completely wrong about as well.

1KIKI

Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:41 AM

Animated? Kitty's paw was on the caps lock key.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 23, 2014 7:48 AM

Awww...blaming it on ketteh.

Too cute.

1KIKI

Saturday, August 23, 2014 9:00 AM

And so true. ;>

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:37 AM

Sure , I've known cops who said just that: "I'm going to protect myself"

Fact: Where is the proof of his eye socket being bruised. According to journalists, info has been requested and none has been submitted. And don't give that "it's his private business crap." He's paid through taxpayer dollars and is paid by same. He's a public servant.

Fact: Brown was 6' 4" and 300 lbs. But who do you thinks wins between a fist and a bullet?

Fact: Witnesses have stated that the cop was up to 25' away when the fatal shots were let loose. Plus no powder residue on Brown's clothing. So, no close range shots.

Fact: Witnesses stated that the cop shot at Brown as he ran away.

Fact: No one, including the Police Chief, have made no statements as to what happened in those faithful moments during the struggle. Curious, not one statement as to his side of the story, just silence. More on that in another thread.

Fact: Attacked!? From a fetal position? Wounded and bleeding out, he went to attack a man with a gun. Are you nuts? Wait, look who I'm talking to.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
1. Unarmed. Must I spell it out for you?

2. I made a clear enough statement. Cops arrest people, they are not "charged" with executing them at will. We are a nation of laws, unless you come from a "backwater theocracy" where you make up the rules as you go along.

The rest of your comments, I swat away like I would a gnat.
But, of course, you will continue to try and provoke.

Anyone know why a cop carries a gun? It's not to protect the public, but to protect THEMSELVES.

Armed or unarmed, it doesn't matter. If a cop is being attacked ( in this case, by a 6'4" 300lb male ) and suffers a broken socket from the conflict, things have just gotten real.

There was no ' execution at will ' here. There was a scuffle, a physical altercation, leading up to the shooting.

Those are the facts. Did the cop justifiably use his weapon ? Don't know yet. IS there any scenario where a cop could have used his weapon, vs an unarmed assailant ? Not in the best case scenario, but guess what ? This is the REAL WORLD. So the answer to that is, yes, there are times where use of such force is justifiable. Ignoring all the myths and hysteria that's been fabricated about this case, the hard cold truth is, sometimes a cop is allowed to defend himself.

More info needs to come out, but as of now, there's at least reasonable doubt, in my mind, that the cop MAY have acted correctly.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, August 23, 2014 11:48 AM

1Kiki

Add to that the piece de resistance: NO POLICE INCIDENT REPORT, no, actually one was filed on 8/19/14, that contained just Brown's name, the date and 2 signature: the supervising detective and Police Chief, signing off on it.

(obtained upon request by ACLU)

Why the blank Report?

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, let's total up the disinformation

cigars - paid for
officer - no broken eye socket
Brown - not a suspect
Brown - not killed in a close-quarters struggle

- meanwhile the Ferguson town council and PD look worse and worse -

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 23, 2014 6:01 PM

Fact: Witnesses can get it wrong, or worse, lie.

Fact: * Fifty-one officers were killed when their department-issued firearms or another officer’s gun were turned against them. So all this banter about cops shooting " unarmed teenagers " is a bit misleading. If Officer Wilson had been injured from a blow by Brown, and Brown was coming back again towards the officer, it may be a legitimate use of force the officer used for self defense.

Fact: Autopsy hired by the Brown family themselves shows no gun wounds in the back.

We'll find out soon enough what, if any injuries Officer Wilson sustained.

Where's ANY evidence that Brown was in the fetal position?

* http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/11/robert-farago/washington-post
-more-cops-killed-by-their-own-gun-than-straw-purchases/

1KIKI

Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:15 AM

Autopsy hired by the Brown family themselves shows no gun wounds in the back ...

Hmmm. No one said 'in the back'. However, one wound IN THE ARM could have come from either direction. Your sources - and your mind - full of snakes. Can't seem to grasp simple reality and keep it straight.

Interesting that you should NOW be waiting for facts. Why don't you go back and erase all the bogus stuff unsupported by facts that you so freely posted earlier? It would make this thread a lot shorter.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:26 AM

Well however this pans out, it is only right and fitting that a police shooting is carefully scrutinised and the officer be held accountable. And then to consider the training and tactics of the armed force in how they deal with the citizenry, even those members of the citzenry that may be threatening.

You dont want a heavily armed policeforce that feels above the laws of the land and entitled to use deadly force except in extreme circumstances. Otherwise you have marshall law.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:09 AM

As mentioned, timeline of events.

Everything That Went Wrong in Ferguson
A timeline of the authorities’ many missteps in the aftermath of Michael Brown’s death.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/08/fergu
son_police_timeline_a_comprehensive_chronological_accounting_of_the.html

Oh, and btw, that whole claim of eye socket damage was obviously bogus from the get go, handily debunked by the video of the aftermath of the shooting.
Duh.
Not that the Ferguson PD can keep their many lies straight anyways.

-Frem

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:39 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Autopsy hired by the Brown family themselves shows no gun wounds in the back ...

Hmmm. No one said 'in the back'. However, one wound IN THE ARM could have come from either direction. Your sources - and your mind - full of snakes. Can't seem to grasp simple reality and keep it straight.

Interesting that you should NOW be waiting for facts. Why don't you go back and erase all the bogus stuff unsupported by facts that you so freely posted earlier? It would make this thread a lot shorter.

Many 'eye witnesses ' were claiming he was shot 'in the back'. Full of snakes ? You're muttering nonsense now. All I've done is present the FACTS and offer little on wild speculation. I've left that up to the likes of you, and those calling for the PROSECUTION of the cop.

There's nothing ' bogus ' I need to erase. You have me confused w/ someone else, and are projecting your faults onto others.

THGRRI

Sunday, August 24, 2014 8:45 PM

Why are there so few black police officers working in predominantly black communities across the country? Most here think it is because whites refuse them the opportunity. I think it has more to do with the job requiring two years of college. Why are there are so few blacks in Ferguson holding public office representing their communitie since blacks represent 67 percent of Fergusons population? Well if no one runs or only 6% of eligible black voters show up at the polls, of course the white guy is going to win.

Most of the bullshit posted here is nothing but a typical distraction. That this is all about whites hating blacks. Then there are those who push back with the same rhetoric of the past. None of which helps to move the discussion to where it needs to go.

Come on Frem, you need to up your game since you understand the streets so well. Why Frem does this always happen and what can be done about it? Please don't just say the politically correct thing like jobs. The ones who need the most help are not capable of showing up each day and taking direction from authority figures. No jobs does not get to the root of the problem and business owners certainly do not want to invest there. These people are raising the next generation of victims as we speak.

SIGNYM

Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:04 PM

Quote:
Otherwise you have marshall law.

Already there.

Yanno, if you have to shoot at a lot of people to convince them of the rightness of your laws, your ethics, your "way of life", you've already lost in the marketplace of ideas. Your society is dying and corrupted. It doesn't offer enough to generate enthusiastic support from the masses.

That's where we are now.

--------------
You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

FREMDFIRMA

Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:32 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Why are there so few black police officers working in predominantly black communities across the country? Most here think it is because whites refuse them the opportunity. I think it has more to do with the job requiring two years of college. Why are there are so few blacks in Ferguson holding public office representing their communitie since blacks represent 67 percent of Fergusons population? Well if no one runs or only 6% of eligible black voters show up at the polls, of course the white guy is going to win.

Most of the bullshit posted here is nothing but a typical distraction. That this is all about whites hating blacks. Then there are those who push back with the same rhetoric of the past. None of which helps to move the discussion to where it needs to go.

Come on Frem, you need to up your game since you understand the streets so well. Why Frem does this always happen and what can be done about it? Please don't just say the politically correct thing like jobs. The ones who need the most help are not capable of showing up each day and taking direction from authority figures. No jobs does not get to the root of the problem and business owners certainly do not want to invest there. These people are raising the next generation of victims as we speak.

Surprised no one else has made the connection.
It's already been posted in this thread, statistical evidence that the police and courts of the region engage in en-masse shakedown and harrassment of the black community, which means by the time they hit their late teens most of em have a record, not cause of anything they do different but because you throw ENOUGH shit at someone over time some is gonna stick - hell the average american commits three felonies a day.

Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229/

And of course, BECAUSE of that record they're then blocked from a lot of jobs, AND from the kinds of assistance which could make up the lack, leaving them but one option to survive, which almost inevitably results in an eventual Felony conviction, with me so far ?

Well yanno what that means - IT MEANS THEY CAN NOT VOTE.
Duh.
Which is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of this lameass bullshit, to disenfranchise them (also depriving them of the right to bear arms, further crushing potential resistance) so that the fuckers in power around there REMAIN in power.

But of course such inconvenient facts are ignored in the rush to blame the victims of such policies lest we be forced to admit culpability in a broken system which feeds on those helpless against it.
Nobody wants to talk about how those petty bullshit arrests for loitering or whatnot balloon when some poor bastard can't pay the fines, how that cripples their employment prospects even if anybody WAS hiring, leaving many with quite literally no choice BUT to play the cards they been dealt and turn to crime, a self-fulfilling prophecy often as not started by nothing more than some cop wanting to fuck with a teenager for no better reason than what color they are.

Awful hard for people to better themselves when so many of em get slapped with the forever mark of doom before they ever have a chance to.

-Frem

1KIKI

Sunday, August 24, 2014 11:39 PM

Thank you Frem.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, August 25, 2014 12:00 AM

My point is not to deny the obvious Frem. What you suggest about Ferguson is happening around the country in all Black communities. Just maybe more so in Ferguson. It does appear to be a community stuck in the past. My point is everyone looks for the statistics you post, and not why it is the way it is. Keep it real, the average American does not commit three felonies in a life time. Most do not commit one.

They are blocked from jobs and such yes due to the Felonies but if they changed their lifestyles a bit at a time that would improve. If you think their situation will improve without changing the culture in those neighborhoods good luck. It is my opinion things stay the way they are because within the black community they are calling for everyone else to change.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 25, 2014 12:40 AM

Stop acting like deluquent thugs, or worse, and the cops won't have a reason to " harass " anyone.

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, August 25, 2014 1:01 AM

Horse shit, you are denying the obvious, the statistics have been presented, the facts have been laid out, and you ignore every goddamn bit of it to go on blaming the victims, this so-called-culture which is just a lameass excuse to turn a blind eye.

Tell me, how many cops have so far been suspended for the nasty shit they're willing to do in public, on camera, just in this mess alone, four, five ?
Just imagine the crap they pull when no ones looking.
Not to mention that every single measure that's been brought to the table which would improve accountability they've fought tooth and nail, that smacks of premeditation, and you wanna talk "culture", how bout the thin blue line and resultant culture of corruption ?
And here's a handy little fact for you.

Darren Wilson’s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/darren_wilsons_former_police_force_was
_disbanded_for_excessive_force_and_corruption/

Quote:
The department also endured a corruption scandal. In 2011, city council members voted 6-1 to shut down the force and start over, bringing in a new set of officers. Everyone was let go, including Wilson, but he soon found a job at the Ferguson police department, where he has been since.

This is a known phenomenon, one also remaining unaddressed by any potential reforms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_cop

Quote:
In law enforcement, the phrase gypsy cop is law enforcement slang for a nomadic or itinerant lawman, a peace officer who floats from department to department regardless of, or because of, misconduct or poor job performance.

So even firing the bastards, hard as it is to do, and rare that it happens, still accomplishes little cause they just move on to the next department over and lather, rinse, repeat.

As to "why it is the way it is", the answer to that is simple.
Fuckheads like YOU cockblocking any useful discussion or implementation of the reforms necessary to reign in these badge bearing psychopaths, because they're so fucking intent to blame people of color for being harrassed that it escapes them completely that the harrassment *IS* the problem.

Oh, and in regards to your ridiculous assertion that the whole three-felonies-a-day is bunk ?
Tell me, are you on a broadband connection right now, hrm ?
Are you perhaps, connecting to the internet at ANY speed in excess of 28,800bps ?
Bang, one Felony.

Can your phone speed dial ?
(As example, and yes people can and have been prosecuted for this, See Also: Bernie S)
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM
&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=9&sctn=10&subsctn=0
Bang, two Felonies.

And in reference to the above statue, or related one in your state...
Do you own a Television or PC ?
Bang, three Felonies.

Just cause they don't PROSECUTE em unless they wanna fuck with you, don't mean that they ain't there.

-Frem

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 25, 2014 1:44 AM

blah blah blah...

Getting contorted and spewing all manner of hate and vitriol,in all your glorious phony self rightiousness, just to make yourself feel better. Pretty gorram pathetic.

Quote:
Shortly after 2 A.M. that Sunday, they pulled into the parking lot of so-called “University McDonald's” and beheld a scene unlike anything portrayed in all those wholesome McDonald's television commercials. Before them, hundreds of young black males were loitering about, some without shirts.

Other local residents -- the more cynical and world-weary, both whites and most blacks -- would have taken one look at the crowd and driven off, dismissing many of the young and posturing black males as thugs. But not them: innocent white kids from the suburbs. They presumed this was post-racial America -- and that they were in an easy-going college town.

Twenty minutes later, two of them were dead.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/08/beaten_to_death_at_mcdonalds.ht
ml

THGRRI

Monday, August 25, 2014 2:10 AM

You keep suggesting society has to change Frem and I will keep suggesting the culture within the black community has to. If they want more black cops. Then more need to graduate from a two year college. If they want better representation within their community. Than more that 6% of eligible black voters need to show up at the polls. You want a job, pull up your pants and speak to me like there is something other than air filling the space between your ears. No, go home then and take up your position on the corner of nowhere and useless. There is nothing for you here.

And that's the way life is for the rest of us. If they want a way out to a better life. That's the door, they need to walk through it.

1KIKI

Monday, August 25, 2014 3:25 AM

THUGR is a know-nothing racist.

This has been addressed many, many times. You've failed to respond with facts at every instance. All you care to know is you dislike blacks, and that you 'know' that they're to blame for - everything.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, August 25, 2014 3:46 AM

So, THUGR

I have some yes/ no questions for you:

1) blacks have urban schools at least equal in quality to suburban white schools: yes/ no
2) blacks own the housing in the slums: yes/ no
3) blacks were not denied standard housing loans despite qualifying incomes: yes/ no
4) blacks own the businesses in the slums: yes/ no
5) blacks have on average the same employment rates and the same income as whites with an equal amount of education: yes/ no
6) blacks can get the same quality schools, the same housing ownership, the same loans, the same business opportunities, the same employment rate, and the same income levels with zero changes in the larger society: yes/ no

For each answer, include a cite with statistics to validate your response.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, August 25, 2014 4:05 AM

1kiki

So, THUGR

I have some yes/ no questions for you:

1) blacks have urban schools at least equal in quality to suburban white schools: yes/ no

NO

2) blacks own the housing in the slums: yes/ no

NO

3) blacks were not denied standard housing loans despite qualifying incomes: yes/ no

Yes

4) blacks own the businesses in the slums: yes/ no

NO

5) blacks have on average the same employment rates and the same income as whites with an equal amount of schooling: yes/ no

NO

6) blacks can get the same quality schools, the same housing ownership, the same loans, the same business opportunities, the same employment rate, and the same income levels with zero changes in the larger society: yes/ no

NO

Their quality of schools will remain the same until they start using the schools they have properly and raise their graduation rates. They will not own the homes they live in until they can afford to buy them. Their unemployment rates will not change because no one wants to invest in their neighborhoods. Their income levels are unfair but may be somewhat due to location. If you remember the charts you produced about that before, go back and you will see that whites are paid less that Asians across the education spectrum.

You can bitch about the plight of the African American race all you wish. If they don't fix it, it won't get fixed.

1KIKI

Monday, August 25, 2014 4:20 AM

Originally posted by THGRRI:

1) blacks have urban schools at least equal in quality to suburban white schools: yes/ no
NO

2) blacks own the housing in the slums: yes/ no
NO

3) blacks were not denied standard housing loans despite qualifying incomes: yes/ no
Yes Incorrect. During the housing bubble many blacks were only given 'balloon payment' loans despite having incomes that would have qualified them for conventional loans.

4) blacks own the businesses in the slums: yes/ no
NO

5) blacks have on average the same employment rates and the same income as whites with an equal amount of schooling: yes/ no
NO

6) blacks can get the same quality schools, the same housing ownership, the same loans, the same business opportunities, the same employment rate, and the same income levels with zero changes in the larger society: yes/ no
NO

Their quality of schools will remain the same until they start using the schools they have properly and raise their graduation rates. They will not own the homes they live in until they can afford to buy them. Their unemployment rates will not change because no one wants to invest in their neighborhoods. Their income levels are unfair but may be somewhat due to location. If you remember the charts you produced about that before, go back and you will see that whites are paid less that Asians across the education spectrum.

You can bitch about the plight of the African American race all you wish. If they don't fix it, it won't get fixed.

I see you've failed to provide cites for your choices. Furthermore, you've failed to provide (a) cite(s) for you incorrect supposition about schools, incomes, employment rates etc. You seem to think school resources are alloted on the basis of 'deserving-ness' and not on local property tax revenues; that people are restricted to jobs in their immediate neighborhood; and that because some people experience positive bias compared to whites, it makes negative bias against other groups fair.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, August 25, 2014 4:46 AM

This is how stupid you are. You ask for yes/no answers. What followed me answering your questions was my opinion. I don't care if you agree. When it comes to you understanding issues, you don't. You are all emotions so your judgment is clouded.

I have a question for you. Do you think things will change with this latest incident?

1KIKI

Monday, August 25, 2014 4:59 AM

"For each answer, include a cite with statistics to validate your response."

I clearly typed that in my post. I could assume you don't know how to read. Or you're ignorant. Or you don't know how to engage in logical argument. But you see THUGR, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Rather than assume anything, I've asked for you to show that you have facts at your disposal and can organize a logical answer using them appropriately.

Or I could simply subject you to "the soft bigotry of low expectations" and accept your say-so with a dismissive pat on the head.

What would you prefer?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, August 25, 2014 5:12 AM

Yes or no moron means yes or no.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, August 25, 2014 8:13 AM

There is usually a structural reason why groups of people are disenfranchised within a society, unless of course you want to go down the curly path (which some here go) of blaming a particular group or class of being lazy, stupid or born bad.

I have a great example for you which blows 'this group sucks' rather than
'this society gas a structure which keeps certain people poor and encourages criminal behaviour;' and that is the example of mine own country, probably similar to yours as well.

We were basically colonised by the poorest, most desperate, most criminal class that were despised and blamed in England and Ireland. They hated them, couldn't wait to get rid of them, they were seen as being a separate race who were incapable of achieving or living like the other classes.

They actually won the lottery by deportation, those that survived the journey, because once they had done their term they stuck around and built a pretty decent society because their skills and labour was valued and needed, there was plenty of land to farm, they often rose to positions of influence and prosperity, yeah and a few were hard core and landed back in jail.

So if I visit a country and I see lots of poor, beggars, street urchins - I never think 'these people are too lazy and stupid to work' I think that this society has structural issues which means that part of their population suffer.

';

THGRRI

Monday, August 25, 2014 9:08 AM

My answer to your post is the one word I have used over and over again to suggest what has to happen to change things here for the black community. The word you used to describe how it was done in your country that I have repeatedly used is, THEY. THEY need to build what THEY want just as THEY did it in your country. There is a lot of public assistance to help and much more would be forth coming if THEY did some simple things.

1KIKI

Monday, August 25, 2014 11:01 AM

"For each answer, include a cite with statistics to validate your response."

Originally posted by THGRRI:

Yes or no moron means yes or no.

So you pick illiterate.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, August 25, 2014 11:42 AM

"The word you used to describe how it was done in your country that I have repeatedly used is, THEY ..."

were able to accomplish much since since THEY were freed of the repressive larger society that kept them poor.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Monday, August 25, 2014 12:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
My answer to your post is the one word I have used over and over again to suggest what has to happen to change things here for the black community. The word you used to describe how it was done in your country that I have repeatedly used is, THEY. THEY need to build what THEY want just as THEY did it in your country. There is a lot of public assistance to help and much more would be forth coming if THEY did some simple things.

well done with the not understanding anything I wrote and in fact taking the exact opposite meaning

THEY were powerless to create change in one country under one kind of class/social structure yet the same THEY managed to do well in another place with a different social structure.

Systems matter. They can promote opportunity for all people of different social standing or they can entrench class structures and division.

I know in the US its more common to talk about race than class, but in this instance the two are pretty much the same. The difference is that with 'race' people such as yourself can identify characteristics of a group and make judgements about that group. ie Black people are lazy, they dont help themselves, they take government handouts. As if these features were to do with skin colour???? Weird. Your logic is deeply, deeply filled with prejudice.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, August 25, 2014 2:02 PM

Yes, witnesses can and do get it wrong, or worse, lie.
But in this case 4 witnesses lying is highly unlikely, all did not know each other and all four witnessed pretty much the same thing, with very few differences.

One woman who was driving directly behind the officer's cruiser, saw the whole thing. She witnessed the struggle between Brown and Wilson at the beginning of the incident. Her story was generally the same as others saying Brown ran away from the officer, who got out and immediately began shooting.

Kind of hard to attack when you're running away, unless you know of some new fangled strategy whereby you dazzle your "victim" by running into him backwards. I know, the element of surprise, you run into him with your butt.

Fact: Brown's body was found some 35 feet away from the vehicle.

By the way, the eye socket, you think that a human being could fracture someone's eye socket with his hands? Look who I'm asking.......of course, you do. Then where is the doctor's report? What hospital did he report to for medical assistance? Let me guess, it wasn't so bad, so he went home to heal.

Can you believe a hero cop, such as our true American Darren Wilson, so afraid to show his face in public, even though he saved the world from a savage like Mike Brown. What is this country coming to when a hero cop, who braved a facial pummeling from a desperate criminal who jaywalked and pilfered a box of cigarillos, can't go on the morning show circuit because he's so afraid of................exactly what is he afraid of? He's a hero!

Yes sir! It is a bit misleading, everyone knows that unarmed black teens is a misnomer. They always walk around with their "gats" at the ready, and are always in search of white folks to shoot, stab and maim. Don't be fooled, they always are packing, even when the evidence determines they weren't. It's time people knew the truth, they have magical powers that makes the weapon disappear. Cops knew about this little-known fact, but were withholding the truth so as not to cause a panic. But, you heard it here first!

Fact: The autopsy was inconclusive. According to the medical examiner, the wound to the hand and wrist could have entered the body from behind, but they could not definitively make that determination.

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact: Witnesses can get it wrong, or worse, lie.

Fact: * Fifty-one officers were killed when their department-issued firearms or another officer’s gun were turned against them. So all this banter about cops shooting " unarmed teenagers " is a bit misleading. If Officer Wilson had been injured from a blow by Brown, and Brown was coming back again towards the officer, it may be a legitimate use of force the officer used for self defense.

Fact: Autopsy hired by the Brown family themselves shows no gun wounds in the back.

We'll find out soon enough what, if any injuries Officer Wilson sustained.

Yes, that's something I would like to see. A doctor's report and x-rays of his eye socket. Various reports by news outlets indicate that Wilson, our hero, was treated with a swollen face, but that the x-rays came back negative for any serious injury.

Where's ANY evidence that Brown was in the fetal position?

4 witnesses, although it is hearsay. Much like your eye socket stories, since there's no proof of any serious injury to our HERO cop.

* http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2010/11/robert-farago/washington-post
-more-cops-killed-by-their-own-gun-than-straw-purchases/

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, August 25, 2014 2:12 PM

Well put Frem.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Why are there so few black police officers working in predominantly black communities across the country? Most here think it is because whites refuse them the opportunity. I think it has more to do with the job requiring two years of college. Why are there are so few blacks in Ferguson holding public office representing their communitie since blacks represent 67 percent of Fergusons population? Well if no one runs or only 6% of eligible black voters show up at the polls, of course the white guy is going to win.

Most of the bullshit posted here is nothing but a typical distraction. That this is all about whites hating blacks. Then there are those who push back with the same rhetoric of the past. None of which helps to move the discussion to where it needs to go.

Come on Frem, you need to up your game since you understand the streets so well. Why Frem does this always happen and what can be done about it? Please don't just say the politically correct thing like jobs. The ones who need the most help are not capable of showing up each day and taking direction from authority figures. No jobs does not get to the root of the problem and business owners certainly do not want to invest there. These people are raising the next generation of victims as we speak.

Surprised no one else has made the connection.
It's already been posted in this thread, statistical evidence that the police and courts of the region engage in en-masse shakedown and harrassment of the black community, which means by the time they hit their late teens most of em have a record, not cause of anything they do different but because you throw ENOUGH shit at someone over time some is gonna stick - hell the average american commits three felonies a day.

Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent
http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229/

And of course, BECAUSE of that record they're then blocked from a lot of jobs, AND from the kinds of assistance which could make up the lack, leaving them but one option to survive, which almost inevitably results in an eventual Felony conviction, with me so far ?

Well yanno what that means - IT MEANS THEY CAN NOT VOTE.
Duh.
Which is the ENTIRE FUCKING POINT of this lameass bullshit, to disenfranchise them (also depriving them of the right to bear arms, further crushing potential resistance) so that the fuckers in power around there REMAIN in power.

But of course such inconvenient facts are ignored in the rush to blame the victims of such policies lest we be forced to admit culpability in a broken system which feeds on those helpless against it.
Nobody wants to talk about how those petty bullshit arrests for loitering or whatnot balloon when some poor bastard can't pay the fines, how that cripples their employment prospects even if anybody WAS hiring, leaving many with quite literally no choice BUT to play the cards they been dealt and turn to crime, a self-fulfilling prophecy often as not started by nothing more than some cop wanting to fuck with a teenager for no better reason than what color they are.

Awful hard for people to better themselves when so many of em get slapped with the forever mark of doom before they ever have a chance to.

-Frem

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, August 25, 2014 2:21 PM

During one night of the protests, it was caught on video, a cop from one of the surrounding counties was pointing his long gun at a peaceful protester.
He was summarily removed from the scene by a supervising chief. Plus all the journalists that were harassed and arrested for merely filming the festivities.

The Third Reich would have been proud. What pisses me off most is when people, T-Party folks, talk shit about the Federal government coming to get you, and all along it's these fuckers in the little towns who fuck the people and the country's principles of freedom. And poor fuckers like Rappy and JSF don't realize that pretty soon they'll be asked to bend over and grab their ankles. And it will be the high hard boot in the ass.

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Horse shit, you are denying the obvious, the statistics have been presented, the facts have been laid out, and you ignore every goddamn bit of it to go on blaming the victims, this so-called-culture which is just a lameass excuse to turn a blind eye.

Tell me, how many cops have so far been suspended for the nasty shit they're willing to do in public, on camera, just in this mess alone, four, five ?
Just imagine the crap they pull when no ones looking.
Not to mention that every single measure that's been brought to the table which would improve accountability they've fought tooth and nail, that smacks of premeditation, and you wanna talk "culture", how bout the thin blue line and resultant culture of corruption ?
And here's a handy little fact for you.

Darren Wilson’s former police force was disbanded for excessive force and corruption
http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/darren_wilsons_former_police_force_was
_disbanded_for_excessive_force_and_corruption/
Quote:
The department also endured a corruption scandal. In 2011, city council members voted 6-1 to shut down the force and start over, bringing in a new set of officers. Everyone was let go, including Wilson, but he soon found a job at the Ferguson police department, where he has been since.

This is a known phenomenon, one also remaining unaddressed by any potential reforms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gypsy_cop
Quote:
In law enforcement, the phrase gypsy cop is law enforcement slang for a nomadic or itinerant lawman, a peace officer who floats from department to department regardless of, or because of, misconduct or poor job performance.

So even firing the bastards, hard as it is to do, and rare that it happens, still accomplishes little cause they just move on to the next department over and lather, rinse, repeat.

As to "why it is the way it is", the answer to that is simple.
Fuckheads like YOU cockblocking any useful discussion or implementation of the reforms necessary to reign in these badge bearing psychopaths, because they're so fucking intent to blame people of color for being harrassed that it escapes them completely that the harrassment *IS* the problem.

Oh, and in regards to your ridiculous assertion that the whole three-felonies-a-day is bunk ?
Tell me, are you on a broadband connection right now, hrm ?
Are you perhaps, connecting to the internet at ANY speed in excess of 28,800bps ?
Bang, one Felony.

Can your phone speed dial ?
(As example, and yes people can and have been prosecuted for this, See Also: Bernie S)
http://www.legis.state.pa.us/cfdocs/legis/LI/consCheck.cfm?txtType=HTM
&ttl=18&div=0&chpt=9&sctn=10&subsctn=0
Bang, two Felonies.

And in reference to the above statue, or related one in your state...
Do you own a Television or PC ?
Bang, three Felonies.

Just cause they don't PROSECUTE em unless they wanna fuck with you, don't mean that they ain't there.

-Frem

THGRRI

Monday, August 25, 2014 7:04 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by Magonsdaughter:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
My answer to your post is the one word I have used over and over again to suggest what has to happen to change things here for the black community. The word you used to describe how it was done in your country that I have repeatedly used is, THEY. THEY need to build what THEY want just as THEY did it in your country. There is a lot of public assistance to help and much more would be forth coming if THEY did some simple things.

well done with the not understanding anything I wrote and in fact taking the exact opposite meaning

THEY were powerless to create change in one country under one kind of class/social structure yet the same THEY managed to do well in another place with a different social structure.

Systems matter. They can promote opportunity for all people of different social standing or they can entrench class structures and division.

I know in the US its more common to talk about race than class, but in this instance the two are pretty much the same. The difference is that with 'race' people such as yourself can identify characteristics of a group and make judgements about that group. ie Black people are lazy, they dont help themselves, they take government handouts. As if these features were to do with skin colour???? Weird. Your logic is deeply, deeply filled with prejudice.

I see what you are saying but I have a question. What is the difference between your style government and England's? Also, how are the aborigines doing? They must all be successful business owners by now? They make up what, 3% of your population. Are 3% of your government officials Aborigines? Do they have equal representation within the government or did they start their own?

Try and look at it that way. They have to want it and they have to join in, not try and put a square peg(their culture)into a round hole(society). If it does not fit then you have to make adjustments. If you demand society change it is going to be a long cold winter.

Blacks make up 13% of our population and over 60% are illiterate. Many of those who did receive a high school education read on a 5th grade reading level, some lower than that. It has nothing to do with society in a direct way and everything to do with a lack of engagement on their part. It is a mental health issue. As your aborigines practice violence in Australia, blacks practice it here. Local cops get tired of living under that threat, along with the lack of civility that exists within the black communities they police. It effects and frustrates them causing friction. It is not our government or our society that is holding them down, it is there behavior, anger and antisocial tendencies. Why would someone wish to open a business within a neighborhood that functions at this level?

72 Shot in Chicago in Wave of Holiday Weekend Violence
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/15-Shot-As-Holiday-Weekend-Begins
-214275491.html

SECOND

Monday, August 25, 2014 9:30 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
It is not our government or our society that is holding them down, it is there behavior, anger and antisocial tendencies. Why would someone wish to open a business within a neighborhood that functions at this level?

Ta-Nehisi Coates, national correspondent for The Atlantic, addresses the issues raised in his article "The Case for Reparations," detailing the history of slavery in America and arguing that the resulting and persisting social, economic and political injustices, especially in housing, should be addressed through government reparations.
www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations/
361631/

THGRRI

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 12:45 AM

Yes two they have been screaming for this for a long time, then what?

SECOND

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 1:07 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Yes two they have been screaming for this for a long time, then what?

Didn't read the article about reparations, did you? If you got to part X: “There Will Be No ‘Reparations’ From Germany” you are provided a road map for how a great civilization might make itself worthy of the adjective great. Or, looked at another way, how to solve a problem in this century that the USA had for centuries. Whichever you prefer.

But some problems aren't problems at all worth solving unless they're your personal problem.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 3:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

I see what you are saying but I have a question. What is the difference between your style government and England's?

yeah, so we're talking 18th and 19th century here. You have a world power with deeply entrenched class system, not to mention total contempt and blame for the underclasses (sound familiar) and a new colony both in need of labour, but with seemingly unlimited resources. It would appear to surprise you, but London didn't just uproot and land on the Sydney harbour. I wont go on about the history of our nation, but we actually do have one separate from the UK, if you care to look it up one day.

Quote:
Also, how are the aborigines doing? They must all be successful business owners by now? They make up what, 3% of your population. Are 3% of your government officials Aborigines? Do they have equal representation within the government or did they start their own?

Try and look at it that way. They have to want it and they have to join in, not try and put a square peg(their culture)into a round hole(society). If it does not fit then you have to make adjustments. If you demand society change it is going to be a long cold winter.

Listen, Rap, your ignorance is showing. Do you know anything of the history of the Aboriginal people, the opportunities weren't there for them. They were murdered, rounded up like cattle, their population decimated, their children stolen . They weren't even considered PEOPLE for fucking crying out loud but part of flora and fauna, not given the vote until 1967, still struggling to take back land that was stolen from them. So your ignorant views that they they are not doing so well because of their SKIN colour, is once again, a sign of your deep prejudice against people who have dark skin.

Quote:
Blacks make up 13% of our population and over 60% are illiterate. Many of those who did receive a high school education read on a 5th grade reading level, some lower than that. It has nothing to do with society in a direct way and everything to do with a lack of engagement on their part. It is a mental health issue. As your aborigines practice violence in Australia, blacks practice it here. Local cops get tired of living under that threat, along with the lack of civility that exists within the black communities they police. It effects and frustrates them causing friction. It is not our government or our society that is holding them down, it is there behavior, anger and antisocial tendencies. Why would someone wish to open a business within a neighborhood that functions at this level?

Yeah, this is you with your 'Blacks are inherently stupid and violent' narrative. This is prejudice at its worst.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 5:28 AM

Has everybody been celebrating the glorious funeral presided over by Alby Sharpieton, who was able to fit this in before his next big fundraiser for ISIS (errr, I mean the American translation for ISIS, AKA CAIR, which funds ISIS)?

Praise Glory be!!
No instigator here, nossirree!

SECOND

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Has everybody been celebrating the glorious funeral presided over by Alby Sharpieton, who was able to fit this in before his next big fundraiser for ISIS (errr, I mean the American translation for ISIS, AKA CAIR, which funds ISIS)?

Praise Glory be!!
No instigator here, nossirree!

Are you being sarcastic? Or just ordinary slanderous? Right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham does says CAIR equals ISIS but she don't care what bull she says when she gets rolling on the radio. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/11/laura-ingraham-defies-reality-
suggests-muslim-l/200384

(WASHINGTON, DC, 7/7/2104) -- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today condemned as "un-Islamic and morally repugnant" violence and hostilities perpetrated by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and repudiated those who encourage Americans to join that and other extremist groups. -- www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases/12551-cair-condemns-isis-viol
ence-and-rejects-calls-to-join-extremists-fighting-abroad.html

THGRRI

Tuesday, August 26, 2014 10:06 PM

Magonsdaugther

I am talking about what needs to be done today. You seem to think you can do what you point out to a population with little consequence to the mental health of the population. What is going on in the black community is a direct result of 400 years of oppression. Yes we are a world class power but as you see, so far we have been powerless to effect change. We have a damaged community whose advancement depends on some form of change from within. More and more, black community leaders are realizing without those necessary changes things are destined to remain the same.

You talk about the Aboriginal people as though they suffered in a way that was different from the way the black community has suffered here. The list of grievances you point to match verbatim what happened to blacks in this country and others. The one difference being African Americans were brought here from abroad. How that affected Africans is a subject for another thread. You talk about Aborigines not getting the right to vote untill 1967. Here the Civil Rights Act was enacted in 1964. It was in 1963 that Martin Luther King gave his, I have a dream speech. I remember vividly the fire hoses, police batons and dogs that were unleashed on the terrified and peaceful protesters of that era.

Civil Rights Act of 1964: http://www.nps.gov/subjects/civilrights/1964-civil-rights-act.htm

We hear of the oppression of blacks continuing on to this day. The underlying current is whites do this because they hate blacks. Or because they are so indifferent they see blacks as less than anything important. It is that belief that that restricts blacks assenting into the mainstream. We refuse to speak of the obvious hatred of whites that feeds this self-regulated path of despair and idleness. This hatred that feeds their desire to forgo any path to success they perceive to be the way of the whites. School is not cool. Or by adopting a culture that creates no distinction between the culture of jail, and their culture in general for much of the communities population. The point is no longer what got them here, but instead how does change come about?

The logic behind whites not being affected negatively by the isolation of blacks within failed communities is foolish. Every time a white person makes a mistake everyone suffers and we all get blamed. Instead of contributing into the economy they drain it. This in not what society in general wishes. It is not how I want this country to move forward. I welcome the idea of investing into the future of these communities. They in turn need to start realizing how hard others work to get what they have and how they need to follow suite. I am not denying the special burdens they have to overcome. Yet they need to understand there are very few born with the good life handed to them.

We all come from societies that reinvent themselves to adapt to what the future will demand. For the first time in our history parents do not believe their children will do better or even as good as they did. The next generation of all cultures need to navigate this and chart their course forward. The black community is no different. To see them as incapable is to see them as less than the sum of a whole, and that is what it is to be a bigot.

THGRRI

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 12:48 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Yes two they have been screaming for this for a long time, then what?

Didn't read the article about reparations, did you? If you got to part X: “There Will Be No ‘Reparations’ From Germany” you are provided a road map for how a great civilization might make itself worthy of the adjective great. Or, looked at another way, how to solve a problem in this century that the USA had for centuries. Whichever you prefer.

But some problems aren't problems at all worth solving unless they're your personal problem.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

No but I did watch the video, all of it. It is very enlightening and I learned a lot. The case he lays out for reparations still changes nothing. By his standards reparations are due to every culture throughout history in one way or another. China can say this providence used to be a part of china so we demand reparations. Parts of china can declare the same and demand their own. England would be paying off reparations to most of the world including this country for the rest of its fore seeable future, and Russia is hiding behind its former ties to the Ukraine to do a land grab today. How about the American Indian? How about reparations for all the deaths the Spaniards caused by bringing the pox to South America? About 20 million I think. About the same number as American Indians killed by it in this country.

I see the case he made as showing two things that I will address because all the lessons taken from watching this man speak are to numerous to go into. One is that what he presents is his take on the history of this country that he now documents along with many others who have done so before him. It is an understanding of our past I do not disagree with. The second thing is that he is suggesting to the African American community to wait for that check. It is my opinion that, that lesson has been learned and he need not repeat it. Deserved or not the check is not coming. This is the mindset that feeds into the biases separating the two cultures. It is a reoccurring suggestion to the African American community that they are owed something and keeps them emotionally reliving things a time long past.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:35 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Has everybody been celebrating the glorious funeral presided over by Alby Sharpieton, who was able to fit this in before his next big fundraiser for ISIS (errr, I mean the American translation for ISIS, AKA CAIR, which funds ISIS)?

Praise Glory be!!
No instigator here, nossirree!
Are you being sarcastic? Or just ordinary slanderous? Right-wing radio host Laura Ingraham does says CAIR equals ISIS but she don't care what bull she says when she gets rolling on the radio. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/11/laura-ingraham-defies-reality-
suggests-muslim-l/200384

(WASHINGTON, DC, 7/7/2104) -- The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), the nation's largest Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization, today condemned as "un-Islamic and morally repugnant" violence and hostilities perpetrated by the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) and repudiated those who encourage Americans to join that and other extremist groups. -- www.cair.com/press-center/press-releases/12551-cair-condemns-isis-viol
ence-and-rejects-calls-to-join-extremists-fighting-abroad.html

I have heard of her, don't think I have heard her.
Not being sarcastic.
Do you believe everything your leader drones tell you to believe?
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 9:20 AM

Frankly, THGRRI, I am having a hard time working out what you are on about.

Let's have a look at what you say.

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Magonsdaugther

I am talking about what needs to be done today. You seem to think you can do what you point out to a population with little consequence to the mental health of the population.

Yeah, this doesn't even make sense as a cohesive thought. Could you try again?

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What is going on in the black community is a direct result of 400 years of oppression. Yes we are a world class power but as you see, so far we have been powerless to effect change. We have a damaged community whose advancement depends on some form of change from within. More and more, black community leaders are realizing without those necessary changes things are destined to remain the same.

Well we might almost be in agreement. Yes, about the 400 years of oppression and kudos to the leaders within the community who try to bring about change. I'd add that change needs to come from both within, and clearly it does happen - ahem *blackpresident* ahem, but also within the broader society. You have spent an awful lot of words demanding that black communities make changes, but you haven't considered what societal structures and forces might contribute to keeping a people oppressed. For example, why so few black coppers? Surely it would be in the interest of the police force to recruit within racial and ethnic communities if those communities are most likely to be involved with the police force. And if some part of the recruitment process discourages them from applying, then change that part. That's just one example. The other one is about past conviction and voting. That's just plain wrong. You should be able to vote in jail, for crying out loud. It's a democracy. All people. All circumstances.

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You talk about the Aboriginal people as though they suffered in a way that was different from the way the black community has suffered here. The list of grievances you point to match verbatim what happened to blacks in this country and others. The one difference being African Americans were brought here from abroad. How that affected Africans is a subject for another thread. You talk about Aborigines not getting the right to vote untill 1967. Here the Civil Rights Act was enacted in 1964. It was in 1963 that Martin Luther King gave his, I have a dream speech. I remember vividly the fire hoses, police batons and dogs that were unleashed on the terrified and peaceful protesters of that era.

Frankly, you are just hallucinating that I said any such thing. You brought up Aborignial people and I quote " As your aborigines practice violence in Australia, blacks practice it here. " as if they were learning the violin.

Aboriginals practice violence? There is violence in lots of communities in Australia, mostly where there are groups of people living in poverty, and who also suffer mental illness, family breakdown and alcohol and drug problems. Some areas where there are lots of Aboriginals, also have these sort of problems, but it is a fallacy to say all Aboriginals (or African Americans) 'practice' violence.

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We hear of the oppression of blacks continuing on to this day. The underlying current is whites do this because they hate blacks. Or because they are so indifferent they see blacks as less than anything important. It is that belief that that restricts blacks assenting into the mainstream. We refuse to speak of the obvious hatred of whites that feeds this self-regulated path of despair and idleness. This hatred that feeds their desire to forgo any path to success they perceive to be the way of the whites. School is not cool. Or by adopting a culture that creates no distinction between the culture of jail, and their culture in general for much of the communities population. The point is no longer what got them here, but instead how does change come about?

Again that there

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:50 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, witnesses can and do get it wrong, or worse, lie.
But in this case 4 witnesses lying is highly unlikely, all did not know each other and all four witnessed pretty much the same thing, with very few differences.

One woman who was driving directly behind the officer's cruiser, saw the whole thing. She witnessed the struggle between Brown and Wilson at the beginning of the incident. Her story was generally the same as others saying Brown ran away from the officer, who got out and immediately began shooting.

Kind of hard to attack when you're running away, unless you know of some new fangled strategy whereby you dazzle your "victim" by running into him backwards. I know, the element of surprise, you run into him with your butt.

Fact: Brown's body was found some 35 feet away from the vehicle.

Cop pulls up next to suspect, words are exchanged, struggle ensues, suspect reaches in to assault the officer ( possibly reach for his gun) , gun goes off, suspect runs, officer gets out of the car to pursue, suspect turns at him and rushes at officer. Very likely to have happened in that manner.

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By the way, the eye socket, you think that a human being could fracture someone's eye socket with his hands? Look who I'm asking.......of course, you do. Then where is the doctor's report? What hospital did he report to for medical assistance? Let me guess, it wasn't so bad, so he went home to heal.

You're interjecting views I never suggested on this matter now. First of all, there are several ways a person could give another person a broken eye socket. Yes, it would take a severe blow, at the right point, by a large individual, to cause such a injury. The suspect was 6'4", and over 300lbs , and likely striking down on the officer, who was still in his car. OR, it could be that the officer was attempting to get out, and the suspect grabbed the door, and tried to shove it closed, there by striking the officer in the temple, around the eye socket.

The news reports were that the eye socket was broken. Whether true or not, the officer was still struck in the head. That can't be dismissed. That's assaulting an officer.

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Can you believe a hero cop, such as our true American Darren Wilson, so afraid to show his face in public, even though he saved the world from a savage like Mike Brown. What is this country coming to when a hero cop, who braved a facial pummeling from a desperate criminal who jaywalked and pilfered a box of cigarillos, can't go on the morning show circuit because he's so afraid of................exactly what is he afraid of? He's a hero!

When have I once suggested anyone here was a hero ? More fictional view points out of thin air.

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Yes sir! It is a bit misleading, everyone knows that unarmed black teens is a misnomer. They always walk around with their "gats" at the ready, and are always in search of white folks to shoot, stab and maim. Don't be fooled, they always are packing, even when the evidence determines they weren't. It's time people knew the truth, they have magical powers that makes the weapon disappear. Cops knew about this little-known fact, but were withholding the truth so as not to cause a panic. But, you heard it here first!

Why even bother trying to converse w/ you when you're having such a fine time making up shit all on your own?

ELVISCHRIST

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 6:54 PM

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/26/anatomy_of_a_fox_news_smear_ann_coulte
r_matt_drudge_and_the_dumbest_person_on_the_internet/?source=newsletter

Virtually every "fact" that the raptard has posted has been roundly debunked, save one: Darren Wilson killed an unarmed teenager.

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by ElvisChrist:

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/26/anatomy_of_a_fox_news_smear_ann_coulte
r_matt_drudge_and_the_dumbest_person_on_the_internet/?source=newsletter

Virtually every "fact" that the raptard has posted has been roundly debunked.

Yet another lie from the troll.

The " official " narrative, as presented by the main stream media has gradually fallen completely apart.

The physical evidence is telling the real story.

Sad, tragic story, no matter what, but to personally attack me for what's been reported is the height of troll nonsense.

SHINYGOODGUY

Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:00 AM

Ah the shoe is on the other foot! Yes, I made up most of the shit you read to prove a point. Anyone could engage in hearsay, actually no one, not even the eyewitnesses, can give a full account as to what happened that day.

There are only 2 people who know the truth, and one of them is dead, the other is hiding. Please I don't want to hear about death threats; personally, I think it's all bullshit. So, what we do know was that there was a struggle, but we don't know why.

My theory is this: If Brown did reach for the gun inside the police cruiser (although it's beyond me why he would do that), then we need to consider was Wilson right or left-handed. Why is that important? Because, if he's right-handed then Brown would have to not only shove his considerable girth inside the driver side window of the cruiser, but he would have to reach across the steering wheel and Wilson's body, to then un-clip the holster and pull out the gun before Wilson could react to try and stop him. By the way, there is one way to determine if Brown actually touched the gun, DNA. Question is, was it collected into evidence?

Possible, but highly unlikely.

Wilson probably did attempt to exit the car and Brown most likely tried to keep him from doing so. Wilson parked the car and pursued on foot as Brown ran away. How do I know this without having been there? Because Brown's body was found some 30 feet from the police cruiser. Unless Wilson shot him at close range (which the Medical Examiner ruled out during his autopsy report), and then dragged his lifeless body away from the car. But that doesn't work because Brown's body, as you repeatedly remind me, was 6' 4" and 300 lbs. Of course, your theory is that Brown was charging at Wilson. I remember that. But what would possess a young teen to charge at an armed police officer?

Don't know the answer to that one, but it makes you think, doesn't it?

Oh, by the way, anyone calling me names or insulting me does not work because I don't give a flying fuck. This forum is for intelligent discussion and observation. But, if that's what floats you boat - have at it/

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yes, witnesses can and do get it wrong, or worse, lie.
But in this case 4 witnesses lying is highly unlikely, all did not know each other and all four witnessed pretty much the same thing, with very few differences.

One woman who was driving directly behind the officer's cruiser, saw the whole thing. She witnessed the struggle between Brown and Wilson at the beginning of the incident. Her story was generally the same as others saying Brown ran away from the officer, who got out and immediately began shooting.

Kind of hard to attack when you're running away, unless you know of some new fangled strategy whereby you dazzle your "victim" by running into him backwards. I know, the element of surprise, you run into him with your butt.

Fact: Brown's body was found some 35 feet away from the vehicle.

Cop pulls up next to suspect, words are exchanged, struggle ensues, suspect reaches in to assault the officer ( possibly reach for his gun) , gun goes off, suspect runs, officer gets out of the car to pursue, suspect turns at him and rushes at officer. Very likely to have happened in that manner.

Quote:

By the way, the eye socket, you think that a human being could fracture someone's eye socket with his hands? Look who I'm asking.......of course, you do. Then where is the doctor's report? What hospital did he report to for medical assistance? Let me guess, it wasn't so bad, so he went home to heal.

You're interjecting views I never suggested on this matter now. First of all, there are several ways a person could give another person a broken eye socket. Yes, it would take a severe blow, at the right point, by a large individual, to cause such a injury. The suspect was 6'4", and over 300lbs ,

AURAPTOR

Thursday, August 28, 2014 4:38 AM

It's beyond me why a 6'4" 300 lb " kid " would shove a store clerk if the " kid " had indeed paid for the cigars in the first place. (As some here have suggested )

Why was the clerk trying to keep him from leaving ? Was he trying to sell the Gentle Giant incense oil ?

Quote:

Please I don't want to hear about death threats; personally, I think it's all bullshit.

You're kidding, right ? There were mobs of folks who wanted to lynch the cop, and certainly would have, if given 1/2 a chance. Granted , most of the trouble makers weren't even residents of Ferguson, but to claim there weren't any death threats is to be naive, or worse.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Friday, August 29, 2014 4:18 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Of course, your theory is that Brown was charging at Wilson. I remember that. But what would possess a young teen to charge at an armed police officer?

Don't know the answer to that one, but it makes you think, doesn't it?

SGG

Trevon Martin kept saying he tried killing armed citizens for fun. Haven't heard this moron Brown's excuse, but could it be far off?
Highly qualified to be another Darwin Award finalist.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fact: Witnesses can get it wrong, or worse, lie.

Not sure I understand why you say this. Why would criminals ever choose to lie to the police? Shouldn't all witnesses who are criminals tell the truth about their crimes to police so they can be imprisoned as they deserve? It would seem juvenile and deceitful to lie about the crimes you are committing or have committed.
Perhaps you are saying that lying to police is a racial issue.

OLDENGLANDDRY

Saturday, August 30, 2014 3:42 AM

Hey Rappy, this guy is talking directly to you;

https://www.upworthy.com/this-might-be-jon-stewarts-best-rant-ever-bec
ause-ferguson?c=ufb2

AURAPTOR

Saturday, August 30, 2014 4:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Hey Rappy, this guy is talking directly to you;

https://www.upworthy.com/this-might-be-jon-stewarts-best-rant-ever-bec
ause-ferguson?c=ufb2

Really?

Let's see... the over use of " unarmed teen " which automatically implies that he's harmless and was doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Highly edited video, followed by biased and well crafted ' comedy ' which is posing as serious editorializing of a news story doesn't make Jon's point anywhere near valid.

" The actual facts of the case " Hey Jon, we DON'T HAVE all the facts, and you KNOW it ! And yet, you prattle on, raised voice and well rehearsed inflections suggest otherwise.

He then tries to paint over the fact that while some token gestures have been made w/ regards to black on black crime, nothing's been effective. So instead of actually TRYING to do more, why, just stir up some racial animosity in Ferguson, and put out the donation cup , while you're at it !!

Despicable

Oh, and the world isn't getting hotter.

The heavily edited attack on Hannity , taking his remarks completely out of context, are a fine example of Jon Stewart's idiocy.

Michael Brown never raised his hands over his head. That's a lovely urban legend, being repeated as if it were Holy canon.

We have no idea whether this had 1 iota to do w/ race, what so ever.

And then Jon goes on to show completely irrelevant clips, out of context, so he can draw some phony parallel between what WHITE Americans bitch about, while BLACK Americans are being gunned down in the streets by over militarized cops.

Only, it's not actually happening. Save for the occasional maybe once a decade occurrence, most of the time, cops are doing a pretty good job at protecting the innocent from the truly criminal.

Jon paints a wholly false picture of this discussion.

If blacks can't get a cab, guess what ? It's not because of their skin color, it's because so many of them COMMIT CRIMES !!! Way out of proportion to the % of blacks who live in this country.

Yes, Jon. I AM tired of hearing about race and how it's the fault of WHITES in this country for how BLACKS are treated.

Sorry, oed, but your attempt to use a silly, inane Jon Stewart rant failed to some how shame me or wake me up to some eureka moment has failed.

BIG TIME.

1KIKI

Saturday, August 30, 2014 12:07 PM

It's beyond me why a 6'4" 300 lb " kid " would shove a store clerk if the " kid " had indeed paid for the cigars in the first place.

because they were thrown on the floor rather than politely handed over.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, August 31, 2014 4:54 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:
Originally posted by oldenglanddry:
Hey Rappy, this guy is talking directly to you;

https://www.upworthy.com/this-might-be-jon-stewarts-best-rant-ever-bec
ause-ferguson?c=ufb2

Really?

Let's see... the over use of " unarmed teen " which automatically implies that he's harmless and was doing absolutely nothing wrong.

Highly edited video, followed by biased and well crafted ' comedy ' which is posing as serious editorializing of a news story doesn't make Jon's point anywhere near valid.

" The actual facts of the case " Hey Jon, we DON'T HAVE all the facts, and you KNOW it ! And yet, you prattle on, raised voice and well rehearsed inflections suggest otherwise.

He then tries to paint over the fact that while some token gestures have been made w/ regards to black on black crime, nothing's been effective. So instead of actually TRYING to do more, why, just stir up some racial animosity in Ferguson, and put out the donation cup , while you're at it !!

Despicable

Oh, and the world isn't getting hotter.

The heavily edited attack on Hannity , taking his remarks completely out of context, are a fine example of Jon Stewart's idiocy.

Michael Brown never raised his hands over his head. That's a lovely urban legend, being repeated as if it were Holy canon.

We have no idea whether this had 1 iota to do w/ race, what so ever.

And then Jon goes on to show completely irrelevant clips, out of context, so he can draw some phony parallel between what WHITE Americans bitch about, while BLACK Americans are being gunned down in the streets by over militarized cops.

Only, it's not actually happening. Save for the occasional maybe once a decade occurrence, most of the time, cops are doing a pretty good job at protecting the innocent from the truly criminal.

Jon paints a wholly false picture of this discussion.

If blacks can't get a cab, guess what ? It's not because of their skin color, it's because so many of them COMMIT CRIMES !!! Way out of proportion to the % of blacks who live in this country.

Yes, Jon. I AM tired of hearing about race and how it's the fault of WHITES in this country for how BLACKS are treated.

Sorry, oed, but your attempt to use a silly, inane Jon Stewart rant failed to some how shame me or wake me up to some eureka moment has failed.

BIG TIME.

I hope some of that was absorbed. I fear it all went over the head of your target.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:26 AM

Quote:

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

It's beyond me why a 6'4" 300 lb " kid " would shove a store clerk if the " kid " had indeed paid for the cigars in the first place.
because they were thrown on the floor rather than politely handed over.

The STOLEN cigars were 'thrown' on the ground ? Where do you see that in the video ? Who did the throwing, do you think ?

I see MB reaching over the counter, knocking the pack of cigars w/ his elbow, and them falling to the ground. MB then bends over , picking them up, and promptly walks out of the store. When the store owner tries to stop him, MB shoves him, and then comes at him.

What the hell do YOU see ?

1KIKI

Sunday, August 31, 2014 5:50 AM

I'm sure you can link the video and give us the time stamp. Yanno, to prove to us all this isn't just another RapFact™.

Yeah. Like that'll ever happen ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

GEEZER

Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:29 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Let's see... the over use of " unarmed teen " which automatically implies that he's harmless and was doing absolutely nothing wrong.

I would note that in the 2011 FBI crime statistics (last ones I can find) 728 murders were committed with "Hands, fists, and feet". 1,659 murders were committed with "other weapons" (not firearms or knives).

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

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