Je'n suis pas Charlie Hebdo

POSTED BY: SIGNYM
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SIGNYM

Friday, January 16, 2015 6:28 AM

Charlie Hebdo Fired ‘Anti-Semitic’ Cartoonist For Ridiculing Judaism In 2009

AURAPTOR

Friday, January 16, 2015 7:06 AM

Wow. Fired 5 years ago, and still whining?

Prolly was fired for more than just what he claims.

MAGONSDAUGHTER

Friday, January 16, 2015 9:38 AM

From what I've seen of Charlie Hebdo, they ridicule all religions and politicans. There are no sacred cows, including Judaism.

I have to admit to finding some of their cartoons offensive,and I can see how they offend. It would be a bit like depicting 'gollywogs' in the US now.

However, offended and murderous are very far apart.

SIGNYM

Friday, January 16, 2015 5:32 PM

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I wonder what would happen if Muslims had a humor mag that showed similar depictions of Christ, what Christians might do?

Oh, probably invade their nations and kill a million or so. Xtians. Sheesh, no sense of humor!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Friday, January 16, 2015 6:03 PM

Apparently I should have put a wink emoji on my post as well. It was offered in the same spirit.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

WISHIMAY

Friday, January 16, 2015 7:25 PM

I keep thinking France has started WWIII, we just don't know it yet...
Another attack today in a post office.

AURAPTOR

Friday, January 16, 2015 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I keep thinking France has started WWIII, we just don't know it yet...
Another attack today in a post office.

Man gave up. No sign that it was related. But how has FRANCE started all this?

Surely, you can't be serious.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, January 17, 2015 4:02 AM

Are you asking because you want to want to know my thought processes or because you're playing devil's advocate?

Fine, I'll play...

If there is a person (and I'll call him Mr. Widget) that I know to have a history of violence and is also known to be mentally ill, and I decide to walk up to him and insult his mama and his guardian angel and Mr. Widget decides he's going to attack me while I sleep(AND I leave my door unlocked)- who is the bigger idiot?
The violent mentally ill man or the person insulting the violent, mentally ill man??
You can stand there and protest "But...you shouldn't attack me because it's not ethical!!" but you are effectively provoking the fight because you REALLY should have known better (because being in the publication business unless they were FREAKING BLIND AND DEAF you know Muslims get violent about insulting their imaginary guardian angel) and then claiming martyrdom when Mr. Widget performs as expected....

The court of history SHOULD put the blame squarely on the French publication.

Is it RIGHT and FAIR? No. Sometimes LIFE ain't fair and sometimes for a society to grow there must be blood shed. And I have a feeling there will be oceans of blood coming soon.

Why? Because you just can't stop some people from poking a bear.

"But I had a stick and I could!"

Humans.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:22 AM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Are you asking because you want to want to know my thought processes or because you're playing devil's advocate?

2 things w/ this... your thought process on repeating yourself " want to want to ...", and the other thing.

I point this out, because not only have I caught my own self doing the exact same thing, but I notice others do it too, from time to time.

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Fine, I'll play...

If there is a person (and I'll call him Mr. Widget) that I know to have a history of violence and is also known to be mentally ill, and I decide to walk up to him and insult his mama and his guardian angel and Mr. Widget decides he's going to attack me while I sleep(AND I leave my door unlocked)- who is the bigger idiot?

Yep. A valid point.
The violent mentally ill man or the person insulting the violent, mentally ill man??
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You can stand there and protest "But...you shouldn't attack me because it's not ethical!!" but you are effectively provoking the fight because you REALLY should have known better (because being in the publication business unless they were FREAKING BLIND AND DEAF you know Muslims get violent about insulting their imaginary guardian angel) and then claiming martyrdom when Mr. Widget performs as expected....

All that is true, but you can't tell me that every single individual who saws heads off of innocent people, who murders family members in the name of 'honor ', or blows up 10 yr old little girls, ALL of them are 'kooky' in the head. I mean, really ?

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The court of history SHOULD put the blame squarely on the French publication.

If they are guilty , then fine. But 12 shot dead, execution style, is NOT the proper sentence. No more than a man being tossed off the top of a building for the crime of being ' gay '. Are you going to blame HIM too ?

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Is it RIGHT and FAIR? No. Sometimes LIFE ain't fair and sometimes for a society to grow there must be blood shed. And I have a feeling there will be oceans of blood coming soon.

Why? Because you just can't stop some people from poking a bear.

"But I had a stick and I could!"

Humans.

Bears who threaten the village must be shot. Doesn't mean bears must be exterminated. Just the ones who are a threat.

WISHIMAY

Saturday, January 17, 2015 10:22 AM

I hate it when people break down every sentence...

Can you all not type in paragraph form or do you REALLY REALLY think it is muy importante to break down every last thought, even if 3/4 of them are relatively unimportant? I mean ....IZ A TYPO!!!

Yes, people who saw heads off other people ( who are relatively harmless) are generally lacking in sane thought processes.

Insane people generally don't sentence others to death in a sane manner, I thought we covered the insane part already....

Sooner or later ALL bears will threaten human populations if given the chance, we should shoot them all now before they get poked or trespass on our breathing room??? When there are no bears left, will man be happy then? Somehow, I doubt it...

Personally, I like bears better than people. I say we arm the bears

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 17, 2015 10:42 AM

Technically, I don't think it's a typo, as it's not a mistake via transposing one letter for another, or some such.

I break down things sometimes to address specific points. Least I skip something important I want to say.

Armed bears would make for a safer world than armed Muslim terrorists. I think salmon and caribou might disagree though.

WHOZIT

Saturday, January 17, 2015 7:57 PM

The truth is Charlie Weekly is an unfunny commie rag, they don't write jokes, they mock and insult. Before the massacre only the hip lefties in France bought this dreck. Now people are buying it because they think it's their duty to do so, like people here in the U.S. saw "The Interview", not because it was funny, (it isn't) but because they thought they were suppose to. I bet when most people actually read the crap in that rag, the sales of this so called "humor magazine" will plummet. I think most people bought it this week to sell it on e-bay, they'll learn very quickly it isn't worth more then it's face value. (if that) A few suckers will pay more then that...cause they're suckers.

AURAPTOR

Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:07 PM

" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

It's not about liking or approving of the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo. We allow Huslter to stay in business, even though most ( all ? ) here would find its content despicable.

JONGSSTRAW

Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:31 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

It's not about liking or approving of the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo. We allow Huslter to stay in business, even though most ( all ? ) here would find its content despicable.

I wouldn't defend to my death anyone's right to free speech, and I would consider anyone who risked death to defend my free speech to be a fool. Free speech is a myth anyhow.

WHOZIT

Saturday, January 17, 2015 9:51 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

It's not about liking or approving of the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo. We allow Huslter to stay in business, even though most ( all ? ) here would find its content despicable.

THIS isn't about free speech, it's about a bunch of assholes teasing an angry bear. They knew they were mocking the God of a bunch of loonatics, I bet they're going to tone it down now. And FYI, two police officers died trying to defend their right to be assholes.

1KIKI

Sunday, January 18, 2015 3:08 AM

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/kremlin-troll-army-shows
-russia-isnt-charlie-hebdo/514369.html

Claims to know how these places are organized and even who pays for them. Gosh, it would have been nice if they'd included that information. Which makes me wonder why not print it.

It could have been SO much more informative than the innuendo they printed instead as if it was 'news'.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, January 18, 2015 4:10 AM

information claimed but not printed:
... how these factories organize their work, the names of their directors, the instructions they give their employees, how they pay them and even the street addresses of some of these "factories of falsehood"

information without evidence (gossip - pssst, did you hear ...?):
the chief editor of the newspaper was one of President Vladimir Putin's trusted confidants during the last presidential election and, in general, has entrée into the highest Kremlin offices

innuendo printed as information:
it makes you wonder if Putin was sincere when he addressed words of sympathy to the French people

I personally would have been very interested to find out how this is bankrolled - wouldn't you? Or who gives the editorial direction. How many there are. And so on. Instead we're left in the dark about informative details and treated to pointless speculation.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 4:47 AM

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Originally posted by whozit:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

It's not about liking or approving of the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo. We allow Huslter to stay in business, even though most ( all ? ) here would find its content despicable.

THIS isn't about free speech, it's about a bunch of assholes teasing an angry bear. They knew they were mocking the God of a bunch of loonatics, I bet they're going to tone it down now. And FYI, two police officers died trying to defend their right to be assholes.

So why don't TEA party members try to firebomb MSNBC ?

It's entirely about free speech. don't be fooled.

1KIKI

Sunday, January 18, 2015 6:00 AM

So why don't TEA party members (...) to firebomb MSNBC ?

A verb in here would be helpful.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:23 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

So why don't TEA party members (...) to firebomb MSNBC ?

A verb in here would be helpful.

Awww. You quoted me. It shows you care.

There may be tears.

* corrected above post, btw *

SECOND

Sunday, January 18, 2015 7:41 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

It's not about liking or approving of the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo. We allow Hustler to stay in business, even though most ( all ? ) here would find its content despicable.

Hustler magazine wrote a parody about religious leader Jerry Falwell. Falwell is not in the same stratus as the Prophet Mohammed, but Hustler's publisher, Larry Flynt, was shot because his magazine was offensive to Christians. Should we buy a copy of Hustler on every anniversary of the shooting to keep the memory alive of Larry's brave sacrifice for freedom? Maybe not. Remember Charlie Hebdo! Remember Hustler! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_People_vs._Larry_Flynt

The parody that got Hustler's Larry Flynt shot
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hustler_Magazine,_Inc._v._Falwell :

Larry Flynt's Official Response to Jerry Falwell's Death:
“My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. He would visit me in California and we would debate together on college campuses. I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling.

The most important result of our relationship was the landmark decision from the Supreme Court that made parody protected speech, and the fact that much of what we see on television and hear on the radio today is a direct result of my having won that now famous case which Falwell played such an important role in.”
www.accesshollywood.com/larry-flynt-on-jerry-falwell-hustler-lawsuit-r
evisited-on-day-of-rivals-death_article_5356

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 8:29 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

It's not about liking or approving of the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo. We allow Hustler to stay in business, even though most ( all ? ) here would find its content despicable.

Hustler magazine wrote a parody about religious leader Jerry Falwell. Falwell is not in the same stratus as the Prophet Mohammed, but Hustler's publisher, Larry Flynt, was shot because his magazine was offensive to Christians. Should we buy a copy of Hustler on every anniversary of the shooting to keep the memory alive of Larry's brave sacrifice for freedom? Maybe not. Remember Charlie Hebdo! Remember Hustler!

Larry's still alive, so his sacrifice is still on display. If you want to buy a copy of Hustler, then I'm sure Larry and his fine organization would appreciate it. All the way ot the bank.

I'll not buy Hustler or Charlie Hebdo, but feel free to do so yourself.

WHOZIT

Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by whozit:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
" I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

It's not about liking or approving of the cartoons in Charlie Hebdo. We allow Huslter to stay in business, even though most ( all ? ) here would find its content despicable.

THIS isn't about free speech, it's about a bunch of assholes teasing an angry bear. They knew they were mocking the God of a bunch of loonatics, I bet they're going to tone it down now. And FYI, two police officers died trying to defend their right to be assholes.

So why don't TEA party members try to firebomb MSNBC ?

It's entirely about free speech. don't be fooled.

The best way to damage MSNBC is to ignore it, and by the looks of their ratings it's working.

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:17 PM

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Right on time... even your responses to a post about Russian Trolls is in keeping with how the trolls operate - only 8 minutes ago even:
I'm sure you already know this, but just to make sure: congrats! You are part of the Russian Troll army.

HUH?

To tell you the truth, I haven't been following this thread lately, but son, you just posted sheer flamebait. After a day of reflection and cooling off can't you see your post went to the whacko-darkside? If not, I think you need to go into isolation or something, because your brain is fevered and your judgment is lacking.

BTW, I don't see anything trollish in demanding evidence. Only liars, propagandists, dupes, and trolls would have a problem being asked for it.

And YOU'RE not any of that.
Are you?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:43 PM

The real reason why I came back into this thread was because I saw this yesterday, and found it too funny to pass up.

Remember the picture of our western leadership walking arm-in-arm, unified in outrage, leading a demonstration of millions of people in solidarity with freedom of the press?

Well, even if you were in Paris and somewhere near the start of the parade, you would be forgiven if you never caught sight of that vignette because ....

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-17/truth-behind-cherlie-hebdo-so
lidarity-photo-op

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 9:58 PM

Sig - you honestly believe this is some sort of secret, or conspiracy ?

That the leaders of the free world, and some parts not so free, would wander about the open streets a week after over a dozen citizens were shot and killed ?

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...the front line of leaders was followed by just over a dozen rows other dignitaries and officials – after which there was a large security presence maintaining a significant gap with the throngs of other marchers

There's no THERE there with this photo, in the least. So what if they were in a secure, cordoned off section of the streets of Paris ?

Point is , they were there.

It's not much different than the top runners in the world being placed in their own group, in front of the 1000's of other runners.

It would be dirt stupid to have done it any other way.

SECOND

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:02 PM

Instead of photo opportunities on the streets of Paris for their reelection campaigns, these politicians should be in their home countries doing some work. But that's not their style of "governing".

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Larry's still alive, so his sacrifice is still on display. If you want to buy a copy of Hustler, then I'm sure Larry and his fine organization would appreciate it. All the way ot the bank.

I'll not buy Hustler or Charlie Hebdo, but feel free to do so yourself.

The White Supremacist murderer who shot Larry Flynt was executed in Nov 2013. The Charlie Hebdo murderers were executed in Jan 2015. And that is the Circle of Life. So why does the media and politicians want to kill even more Muslims? It is as if some people, once frightened by the news shows, lost all sense of proportion and justice. Nothing will make them feel safe again until everyone they hate is dead. Take a hint: that's a serious character flaw to want to murder people because you're frightened of them.

www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/11/20/246297720/white-supremacist-mu
rderer-who-shot-larry-flynt-is-executed

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:03 PM

second - killing those who murder innocents isn't " the circle of life " . I think you need to go watch The Lion King again.

SECOND

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:12 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - killing those who murder innocents isn't " the circle of life " . I think you need to go watch The Lion King again.

The murderers lived like beasts and they died like beasts.

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:14 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig - you honestly believe this is some sort of secret, or conspiracy ?
That the leaders of the free world, and some parts not so free, would wander about the open streets a week after over a dozen citizens were shot and killed ?
Quote:

...the front line of leaders was followed by just over a dozen rows other dignitaries and officials – after which there was a large security presence maintaining a significant gap with the throngs of other marchers

There's no THERE there with this photo, in the least. So what if they were in a secure, cordoned off section of the streets of Paris ?
Point is , they were there.
It's not much different than the top runners in the world being placed in their own group, in front of the 1000's of other runners.
It would be dirt stupid to have done it any other way.

Well, there is some disagreement as to whether the world leaders were even on the same route as the marchers, or in a cordoned-off side-street.

But, yes, I definitely agree it would be dirt stupid to do it any other way, but then why publish a clearly misleading photo in every outlet of western press, unless you're intending to mislead? This isn't an example of bad intent on the part of the western leaders as much as an example of the western press' commitment to whip up feeling. 'Cause publishing the reality would be such a buzzkill. (It usually is.)
Plus, it was funny.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sig - you honestly believe this is some sort of secret, or conspiracy ?
That the leaders of the free world, and some parts not so free, would wander about the open streets a week after over a dozen citizens were shot and killed ?
Quote:

...the front line of leaders was followed by just over a dozen rows other dignitaries and officials – after which there was a large security presence maintaining a significant gap with the throngs of other marchers

There's no THERE there with this photo, in the least. So what if they were in a secure, cordoned off section of the streets of Paris ?
Point is , they were there.
It's not much different than the top runners in the world being placed in their own group, in front of the 1000's of other runners.
It would be dirt stupid to have done it any other way.
Well, there is some disagreement as to whether the world leaders were even on the same route as the marchers, or in a cordoned-off side-street.

But, yes, I definitely agree it would be dirt stupid to do it any other way, but then why publish a clearly misleading photo in every outlet of western press, unless you're intending to mislead? This isn't an example of bad intent on the part of the western leaders as much as an example of the western press' commitment to whip up feeling. 'Cause publishing the reality would be such a buzzkill. (It usually is.)
Plus, it was funny.

Per the link YOU gave, it clearly implied the leaders were at the forefront of " throngs of other marchers ".

How as it misleading ? I clearly saw the group of world leaders, marching not amongst the 1.5 million , but as a separate group, unto themselves.FOX showed this, as did CNN. There was no intent or chicanery going on here. To get a look at who is there, you have to zoom in on the actual faces.

I think this is a case of over analyzing and trying to pick some nits. Nothing more.

If the world leaders had met in say... Disney World, or some such, and claimed they were in Paris, then yeah, THAT would be a story. This ? Not so much.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
second - killing those who murder innocents isn't " the circle of life " . I think you need to go watch The Lion King again.

The murderers lived like beasts and they died like beasts.

I'd say you're doing a grave injustice in comparing beasts to those Necro Muslim sub humans.

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:43 PM

No, per the link I gave, there were several interpretations of where the western leaders actually were:

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French TV has exposed the reality of the 'photo-op' seen-around-the-world: the 'dignitaries' were not in fact "at" the Paris rallies but had the photo taken on an empty guarded side street...

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[The Independent ...] shows that the front line of leaders was followed by just over a dozen rows other dignitaries and officials – after which there was a large security presence maintaining a significant gap with the throngs of other marchers.

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FT’s Middle East correspondent Borzou Daragahi commented: “Seems world leaders didn’t “lead” Charlie Hebdo marchers in Paris but conducted photo op on empty, guarded street.”

And there are more, so read more carefully.

I'm sure it could be cleared up exactly where the leaders were for that photo, but that's not the point. The point is, they weren't "leading the parade", as the universally-released version implies.

Plus, it was funny.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:45 PM

They were there.

And to quote your gal Hillary... " What difference, at this point, does it make ? "

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 18, 2015 10:58 PM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

They were there.

And to quote your gal Hillary... " What difference, at this point, does it make ? "

First of all, Hillary... Brzezinski-style neocon and Republican in drag, is SO not "my" gal. I thought she was more your style.

Second, if you can't figure out what the point of my post was, despite the fact that I repeated it two or three times, there's just no help for you.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

AURAPTOR

Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:45 PM

So, he point is... You're paranoid ?

Knew that already.

1KIKI

Sunday, January 18, 2015 11:50 PM

Right on time... even your responses to a post about Russian Trolls is in keeping with how the trolls operate - only 8 minutes ago even:

So, just like you don't need any, yanno, real evidence for any of your claims, you don't actually care about the content of your own post. How ... typical. You might need to see a psychologist about that. Your need for confabulation is excessive.

Meanwhile, vital information goes unsaid, while empty claims are broadcast.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 19, 2015 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
So, he [sic] point is... You're paranoid ?

No, the point is, it's FUNNY. Seeing all those leaders huddled together all by themselves. The comparison to the official version is priceless.

Official version

Real version

Man, if you can't see the humor in that ...

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

THGRRI

Monday, January 19, 2015 12:40 AM

ElvisChrist, are you taking notes. Here is some more of what you asked for.

Guns and bombs keep Russia out, do you have enough???

1KIKI

Monday, January 19, 2015 1:15 AM

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA ... you're such a tool.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, January 19, 2015 1:27 AM

1KIKI

Monday, January 19, 2015 1:58 AM

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=59022

GOOD JOB THUGR! Don't forget to tell your bosses what a smooth move you made.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, January 19, 2015 1:58 AM

dbl

AURAPTOR

Monday, January 19, 2015 2:05 AM

Sig - I guess where I don't see the " humor " is that the " real version " is one which I also saw, live, or as reported, that very day. Like I said..you can't see the faces of the individuals so clearly when you pull back to take a crowd shot.

What you're showing me isn't anything I didn't see the day of the march.

I liken it to covering a football game,or some similar event, that's not been sold out, where the fans sit down close to the field, to view the game. Most folks end up in the lower level , close to the field, or court. However, if the cameras pan out, you can see a lot of empty seats, up high.

Only here, the streets of Paris were flooded with over a million and a half people, so... as I said, there's not much THERE there w/ your fuss over all this.

Maybe you're a bit bent at the idea that they didn't march " with the people" , where as I think the key point here was they all came and marched TOGETHER, as representatives of their home countries, as a show of solidarity.

1KIKI

Monday, January 19, 2015 10:38 PM

Are you describing the Russian News Media? Russian Government?

Or you?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, January 19, 2015 11:00 PM

Btw - I did look up some of the salient facts I was interested in.

Financing?

http://www.interpretermag.com/russia-this-week-the-kremlins-growing-ar
my-of-internet-trolls/
Says twice it's undisclosed private financing, then says it's the government. Evidence for either statement? None.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025695155
This says there's a $10M budget. Evidence? None. Who supplies the cash? Not addressed.

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/2014/06/03/documents-show-how-russias-t
roll-army-hit-america/
This claims a 'million dollar army' (as opposed to the link above that claims $10M) ... run, supposedly by the 'Internet Research Agency' and financed by the Kremlin, or a caterer named Prigozhin. Evidence? "not easy"

So - a claim to have solid information - sure would have been nice if they had specifically addressed that. But, like everything else you post and fervently believe - it was just another whiff of smelly hot air.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 20, 2015 1:27 AM

Quote:
Right on time... even your responses to a post about Russian Trolls is in keeping with how the trolls operate - only 8 minutes ago even:
I'm sure you already know this, but just to make sure: congrats! You are part of the Russian Troll army.- GSTRING

HUH?

To tell you the truth, I haven't been following this thread lately, but son, you just posted sheer flamebait. After a day of reflection and cooling off can't you see your post went to the whacko-darkside? If not, I think you need to go into isolation or something, because your brain is fevered and your judgment is lacking.
BTW, I don't see anything trollish in demanding evidence. Only liars, propagandists, dupes, and trolls would have a problem being asked for it.
And YOU'RE not any of that.
Are you?
- SIGNY

WHAT?
Fake astonishment aside, you and Kiki obviously don't care about facts

HAHAHAHA! I've spent much of my adult life caring about facts. More than that, I care about the truth.

Now, you may think I mean "truth" as in "sincerity, honest belief, non-deception" but what I mean by "truth" is the other definition: Correspondence to reality. As a scientist, I know that "truth" is more than the sum of separate observations and disparate facts. There are underlying processes and categories which tie observations together, such as the truth that "fire" isn't a magic process, it's the rapid combination of an oxidant (usually oxygen) with some other material, releasing energy. So while it's necessary to observe events keenly, so have the requisite facts, by themselves they don't form a hypothesis.

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If she really did she could easily find them, there are loads of articles with more detail about the Russian Social Media Troll Armies. But neither of you care, so you will do what I said Trolls will do, and what is pretty obvious troll behavior: deny, deflect, ask for cites. Hey, we all want stuff! Kiki says she wants more info ("it would be nice if...").

You're the one making the claim, doesn't it behoove you bring evidence to the table?

Quote:
Me, I want a free western press so the western people aren't continually being lied to.

Hey, I want that too!

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Speaking of facts: It is a FACT that you and Kiki use some of the same phrases and make many of the same deflections at the same time as they have been introduced by SMTA

I have no idea what you're talking about. What is this?

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on Twitter/

I don't have a Twitter account

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FB/

Nor do I have a FB page

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and in MSM/News comment sections

And I rarely read the MSM, and never read the comments, which are for the most part puerile.

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Sorry child, but it's very obvious.

Yes, it's very obvious that rather than engage IN THE TOPIC you prefer to cast aspersions, seek to destroy by innuendo, and engage in character assassination by the liberal use of completely made-up allegations.

Those are classic disinformation tools, guaranteed to take the discussion off the topic and direct people's thoughts AWAY FROM evidence and logic. So what does that say about you and your "little army" of whatever-the-heck-you-and-your-ilk-are-doing-here? Can we be sure YOU'RE not NSA-paid bots? Because it is a FACT that you use the same phrases, repeat the same allegations and character assassinations and propaganda at about the same time as they have been introduced by the Kiev Post, the VOA, and in other western security-friendly publications.

Quote:
As far as: "Only liars, propagandists, dupes, and trolls would have a problem being asked for it." -SIGNY
Are you describing the Russian News Media? Russian Government?

No, I'm describing you. You're the one posting here, correct?

Now, personally, I don't care much about this thread and whether it get crapped up with your i

JONGSSTRAW

Tuesday, January 20, 2015 2:20 AM

Kiki the Old Sow: "You know Je'n suis pas Charlie Hebdo is not proper French."

Sniggy the Piggy: "You know your droppings are landing on my feet."

1KIKI

Tuesday, January 20, 2015 5:37 AM

So OF COURSE anything we post you pre-dismiss.

Let's take a look at one comment, one you seem to think is both truthful and logical:
"... and harsh epithets (neo-Nazis) hurled at the demonstrators in Kiev — who President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia belatedly acknowledged had legitimate gripes against a corrupt and failed government."

Is it a logical argument? What does the presence or non-presence of Nazis/ neo-Nazis in the current government and in the coup have to do with whether or not the 'gripes' were legitimate? Nothing at all. Both could be true, or false, or one true and the other false - they are logically disconnected. Having legitimate gripes doesn't negate the role of the Nazis. So much for the supposed logic of the argument, and BTW the integrity of the person who would make it. (And the person who would believe it.)

Now on to the substantive facts. There are Nazis in the current government, who participated in the coup.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/03/18/yes-there-are-bad-guys-in-the-ukra
inian-government/

Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government

Svoboda began life in the mid-90s as the Social-National Party (a name deliberately redolent of the National Socialist Party, better known as Nazis), with its logo the fascist Wolfsangel.

image added for illustration

In 2004, the party gave itself an unobjectionable new name (Svoboda means "Freedom") and canned the Nazi imagery, and in the subsequent decade has seen its star swiftly rise.

Today, Svoboda holds a larger chunk of its nation’s ministries (nearly a quarter, including the prized defense portfolio) than any other far-right party on the continent. Ukraine’s deputy prime minister represents Svoboda (the smaller, even more extreme "Right Sector" coalition fills the deputy National Security Council chair), as does the prosecutor general and the deputy chair of parliament — where the party is the fourth-largest. And Svoboda’s fresh faces are scarcely different from the old: one of its freshmen members of parliament is the founder of the "Joseph Goebbels Political Research Centre" and has hailed the Holocaust as a "bright period" in human history.

(If you go to the website you'll see that these claims are helpfully linked to evidence.)

And what is this publication Foreign Policy? A highly respected and often awarded one. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Policy

So this comment that is supposedly both truthful and logical turns out it's neither. And you have a problem with it getting negative comments? You think everyone who bases their response in facts is somehow a paid Russian troll?

Whatever.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:20 AM

Whatever indeed.

Pictures from JSS and THUGR .... how appropriate. Once again, words failed them!

Anyway, this is just too stupid for response.

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MAGONSDAUGHTER

Tuesday, January 20, 2015 4:44 PM

Loverleeeeee thread

MAL4PREZ

Tuesday, January 20, 2015 8:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Is it a logical argument? What does the presence or non-presence of Nazis/ neo-Nazis in the current government and in the coup have to do with whether or not the 'gripes' were legitimate?

LOL! Are you high? What are you talking about? Did you even read the comment, or did you just see "neo-Nazi" and then your brain fell out your ear?

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Yes, There Are Bad Guys in the Ukrainian Government

We can skip the rest of your Nazi ramblings, because who said anything about there not being bad people in Ukraine?

LOL some more! Yeah, this is exactly what the Russia-trolls do, exactly what I said about sig. I don't think they're getting paid though. I think their brains are just that wonked. Dribbling out the ear.

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What trolls reveal about themselves when they troll:
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=57532
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1KIKI

Wednesday, January 21, 2015 10:34 AM

I hope you realize none of you have presented a factual argument showing that I'm wrong. If you don't - I certainly do.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

AURAPTOR

Thursday, January 22, 2015 3:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I hope you realize none of you have presented a factual argument showing that I'm wrong. If you don't - I certainly do.

All hail Queen 1kiki !!!

Bringer of TRUTH from upon high !!!

1KIKI

Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:24 AM

Yeah, facts are such a downer. It takes so much less painful thinking to throw around name-calling.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Thursday, January 22, 2015 9:30 AM

Distortions, lies and omissions: The New York Times won’t tell you the real story behind Ukraine, Russian economic collapse
International papers will cover America's role in the world honestly. Only our best paper willingly blinds itself
Patrick L. Smith

A note arrived a few days ago from one of my best informants in Europe. He had just met across a hotel dining table with a senior German executive, and the topic quickly turned to the crisis in Ukraine and the sanctions regime Washington has imposed on Russia.

I can do no better than give you the pertinent passage in the note:

“… I spoke … breakfast time in Europe… with the head of one of the largest companies in Germany. This declaration was one of the first items he mentioned. I took notes—because it is one of my clients—and here is what he said: ‘It is urgent for Europe to bring Obama and the people making the decisions behind him back to reality. If not, this will spiral first into a financial collapse, which will slam into all of Europe, and then who knows where it goes after that? Everywhere, far-right nationalist forces are building. Look at the last U.S. Congressional elections, and think what is coming. Will America ever have had a more nationalist Congress? Le Pen would be right at home in this crowd. The course we are on now is folly. Can’t they see that?’”

I wish I could say the German exec’s question is a good one, but the grim answer is too obvious. They can see nothing in Washington. We witness the single most reckless, destructive foreign policy this administration has yet devised, comparable in magnitude to Bush II’s decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

President Obama and Secretary of State Kerry wanted Middle East peace to stand as their legacy on the foreign side. Now they propose restored relations with Cuba as the bronze monument. Forget about it. The devastation of ties with a global power, the dissolution of Ukraine and very possibly the ruination of Europe’s barely beating economic recovery will be what we live with after this administration makes its exit.

I am awestruck as news of recent events unfolds. Ukraine is more than an economic, political and military mess: It is a major humanitarian tragedy now. As the German CEO wants to know, how can we possibly arm neo-Nazis in Ukraine while right-wing extremists and anti-immigration atavists rise all over Europe?

The body blows the State Department and Treasury are dealing Russia in response to the Ukraine crisis—as precipitated by State, of course—would be irresponsible under any circumstances for the risks they carry. In the current global environment, this starts to shape up as monomania.

Thoughtful readers point out that this is a standoff between two nuclear powers, and, indeed, this has to be on our minds. But for the moment, and thank goodness, that is in the background. The very immediate menace is a global economic calamity that could make the 2008 crisis look like a blip on the chart.

Last week Fitch, the credit-rating agency, downgraded Russia’s status to BBB, putting it a few notches away from junk status. This is hardball, we had better recognize: You cannot shove the world’s No. 8 economy into the gutter and expect it to land there alone. A lot of suffering beyond Ukraine’s borders, where it is awful enough already, is frighteningly near.

Before I go any further: No, you are not reading much about this in the American press. You can read about it in the German press, the French press and elsewhere on the Continent, in the Czech press, the Russian press (obviously), some of the British press, and even the Chinese press. But all those journalists and all their readers are in a propaganda bubble, the world’s greatest newspaper wants us to know.

It is crowded inside the propaganda bubble and lonely here outside of it, it seems. To this topic we will return.

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At year-end I predicted in this space that one of two key relationships stood to fracture in the course of this year: These were either Europe’s ties with Russia or America

SIGNYM

Friday, January 23, 2015 9:59 PM

Thank you. This is a tremendously well-sourced and well-evidenced article. I think it belongs in the "Closer and Closer to Major Powers War" thread, so I'm going to put it there.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58859&p=2
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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

THGRRI

Friday, January 23, 2015 11:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
LOL some more! Yeah, this is exactly what the Russia-trolls do, exactly what I said about sig. I don't think they're getting paid though. I think their brains are just that wonked. Dribbling out the ear.

At this point they have been caught out so often in so many lies and deflections and especially obvious troll behavior, that they don't even care about the public embarrassment. It reminds me of something I believe TGHRII said, about the mindset in Russia, how they *know* there will be lies and double dealing, they expect it, it is normal, it's how they do every day. The idea of personal integrity seems lost on them, or at the very least waaaaaay down on the list of character traits to admire.

I did say that and will add that Russia is like a poor neighborhood with many dysfunctional attitudes and behaviors. If some here really wish to get SIGNYM AND 1KIKI to change tact they will ignore them. That would certainly provoke change. Let them speak only with each other.

I'll go first....

1KIKI

Saturday, January 24, 2015 1:32 AM

So, posting facts is ill-behaved?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Saturday, January 24, 2015 2:05 AM

Ukraine | World news | The Guardian

The conflict in eastern Ukraine is often framed as a battle between pro-Russian and pro-Kiev forces, but the country's makeup is far more complicated.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/23/rebels-donetsk-attack-put
in-ukraine-violence

Pro-Russian rebels in Donetsk keep on the attack as war of words intensifies

first 11 (most recent) comments, ones that have presumably yet to be pruned:

PeraIlic
10m ago
It was a joke, a few years ago, when two German teams, Borussia Dortmund and Bayern Munich, played in the Champions League final: Journalists approach the captain of Bayern and ask him, "What do you expect from the finale?" And he responds to them, "You know what, it's always difficult to play against German teams." The journalists then asked the same question to the captain of Borussia, and, of course, get the same answer:
"It's always difficult to play against German teams!" :)))
So, we have a similar situation in this Ukrainian war. First of all, both sides used weapons of the same Russian type, but also the officers who command on both sides were educated on the same Russian textbooks.
Well now, the only difference is that if you ask any of the Ukrainian officer, he will not tell you for sure that he commanded the army, which is essentially a Russian, but he certainly will confirm that he is fighting against "the Russian invaders". However, in this way, already in advance he transferred advantage of combat morale on enemy side, because really it is always difficult to fight against the Russian army. So, even though the war is not a joke, the point of the previous joke about "German" Champions League final, here is lost, which can have the consequence that the Ukrainian side lost the advantage on the field. Sort of like what we see is really happening on this battlefield, is not it?
Thus, although the Ukrainian government probably does not think so, but the story of the "Russian aggression" does not contribute to raising of combat morale of their army. They must therefore immediately take one of two things:
a) To stop talking about the "Russian invasion of Ukraine," or
b) Try to convince their troops that they are the same kind of "Russian army".
The only problem is that for the first thing they can not obtain the consent of their Western friends, and for a second ...
Well, it seems that for the second thing, the problem originates from the same reason as for the the first one, which means that there's really only one problem here.

Alexander Bach
13m ago
A serious proof that volnovakha bus was hit by the rebels has been presented by mr. Poro in Switzerland. He showed a piece of that bus thus forcing the reminiscence of Colin Powell showing a piece of the Iraqi wmd in the un. As we all remember that one proved to be completely true. And this one must be AS true.

Rich_N
27m ago
Hardly surprising really! Kiev has been indiscriminately shelling residential areas for months, what did they expect? If there were shells raining down on my city, damaging my kids school, the local hospitals, cutting off power and facilities, killing my neighbours as they wait for busses to go to work. I think I'd want to take the fight to the source. Expect to see Yats and Co giving a lot more addresses from bunkers or more likely exile.
Look at Iraq and Afghanistan to see what effect being labelled as collateral damage has on a population.

> alpamysh Rich_N
"If there were shells raining down on my city, damaging my kids school, the local hospitals, cutting off power and facilities, killing my neighbours as they wait for busses to go to work"
That's a good description of the Uke-held town of Debaltsevo.

> > Rich_N alpamysh
8m ago
As you have said on numerous occasions. Maybe the militants shouldn't be hiding in people's houses. W

1KIKI

Sunday, January 25, 2015 1:20 AM

"You pick one set (11!) comments on the whole of The Internet to prove there's no trolling?"

And you picked zero. None at all. All you did was assume that someone's claim was true (a claim THEY failed to back up with a link to their claims or even exemplar quotes). So I thought I'd check out the site where it supposedly happened - yanno - find EVIDENCE - and pick the most recent posts to hopefully, avoid getting a set of already-culled posts. Now, if there are 40,000 troll-posts per day - also as claimed - it seems something should have shown up.

I did what you SHOULD have done - try to see if there's any evidence.

My good. Your bad.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, January 25, 2015 1:23 AM

The original has hot links scattered all through it. You're welcome for me helping you find an obvious source of information that, somehow, you couldn't manage to find on your own.

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
There are no sources cited other than mysterious German contact and barely described people in shadows - is that really your standard for a source?
Evidence? Where? I see none even pointed at. Any photos, videos, quotes from sources that can be named? This is the definition of a dodgy non-journalist puff piece.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Sunday, January 25, 2015 4:27 AM

Mr GeeWhiz's 'links a plenty' (all two of them)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterhimler/2014/05/06/russias-media-troll
s/

in what analyst, Yulia Latynina, calls his New Type of War against Ukraine Evidence? Yulia says so.

namely, the social networkers, rumor-mongerers, and the armies of trolls, poised to attack any unfavorable media. This invisible, clandestine army, toiling away in obscurity, is an indispensable weapon in peddling the Russian narrative of “neo-Nazi extremists” which exist backed by the U. S. state department and NATO which they did who usurped control from the “democratically-elected” Ukrainian president. Which he was "quotes" notwithstanding, and which happened in reality.

As a personal example: within a few minutes of my posting of just about any Russia or Ukraine article on Forbes.com, the trolls flood the comments section with insulting, cajoling, combatative, and ad hominem attacks ... 39 comments Are 39 comments since 5/11/14 a 'flood'? And, btw - no ad hominem's at all.

The Guardian readers’ editor reports 40,000 comments a day by an “orchestrated pro-Kremlin campaign” of pro-Russia trolling on Ukraine stories. The link to The Guardian says there are 40,000 comments a day, but doesn't link them either completely or mostly to any organized campaign - the author was merely indicating the total volume that comes in. "In fairness there is no conclusive evidence about who is behind the trolling, although Guardian moderators, who deal with 40,000 comments a day, believe there is an orchestrated campaign." His claim that there are 40,000 troll-posts a day? Completely false.

Just how much of the Russian TV and print media’s 24/7 coverage of rampaging Ukrainian extremists, swastika-bearing neo-Nazis, pro-Ukrainian thugs beating Russian speakers, “Right Sector” extremists gunning down unarmed civilians at a checkpoint, and joyous Crimeans welcoming their Russian saviors is fabricated? How much of it is real? The answer: Very little, if any. Evidence? None.

This columnist, working with limited resources and information networks, has contributed to exposing two outright falsifications/ fabrications, to the dismay and indignation of the Putin trolls.
And what do those falsifications consist of? One guy claiming shit with no corroborating hard evidence, and unverified videos. Sounds like YOUR stock in trade Mr GeeWhiz.

And the article goes on to falsify the exact same type of thing Mr GeeWhiz repeatedly posts - claims, no verification. You need to look in the mirror, Mr GeeWhiz.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025695155
This is merely a reposting of the link below.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/documents-show-how-russias-troll-arm
y-hit-america#.kkqB6qojo

As this article comments about its own content: Definitively proving the authenticity of the documents and their authors’ ties to the Kremlin is, by the nature of the subject, not easy. But it's own admission of lack of evidence doesn't keep Mr GeeWhiz from giving it

SIGNYM

Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:12 PM

Quote:
Kiki thinks she checked the entire Internet and couldn't find evidence.

KIKI does a better job looking for evidence for YOUR arguments than you do. Sheesh.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Sunday, January 25, 2015 11:30 PM

AHEM! You can't read, can you? Or is your problem with thinking? Or is it perhaps your honesty? Along with your laziness, of course.

I checked out a recent comments section for recent posts. I also checked out ALL the comments in the comments section from YOUR post. Too see if the author's claim of being 'flooded' with trolling was true - or, as with his claim - totally false. And I checked out his links and found them to be either equally unsupported or his claims to be downright falsified according to the links. Something you were too lazy to do.

What a lazy, illiterate, stupid and dishonest ass you are!

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, January 26, 2015 1:46 AM

So, you refuse to admit that your post with your claims was false. Why am I not surprised? Also, you've completely misrepresented my position. Shame on you.

So, just to go through your 'sources' - yet again - since you've obviously failed to do that yourself -

first link: every link it references is linked to --- ITSELF! Yeah, that's great evidence!

second link: My mind hit the brakes with this sentence near the beginning "on the deepening conflict with Russia" No mention of separatists allowed! There's no bias there, so siree! But on to the topic - for its evidence it links - why, it links YOUR link from BuzzFeed! That's a shallow pool, of independent information you've dived into headfirst Mr GeeWhiz.

third link: an opinion piece with no evidence at all. WOW. The evidence is so far - I was going to say underwhelming, but the more accurate term would be absent.

fourth link: for evidence it links to The Guardian piece - already posted! it links itself!, and it links the Atlantic! which reposted BuzzFeed! That's quite some echo chamber!

fifth link: it's all about local politics "... they were having busy days at the moment and that yesterday they all wrote in support of [Moscow acting mayor Sergei] Sobyanin, while ‘today we shit on Navalny,’” she wrote on her VKontakte page" and a shout out went to Syria!

WOW. Quite - stupid.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Monday, January 26, 2015 9:23 PM

G, apparently you don't understand what it is to support one of your own points. It's up to YOU to find evidence* to support your position, not up to KIKI to find it for you.

Now, you happen to be in an enviable position: all you have to do is find some evidence* to support your allegation, you don't have to go through every single search result to demonstrate that it ISN'T happening. (Proving a negative is impossible, as Saddam Hussein found out.) But scanning through your links, all I found were allegations...

Paid trolls! In this location! It's said over and over, but there is almost nothing beyond allegation.

The closest thing I could find to evidence was this

Quote:
Employees at the company, located at 131 Lakhtinsky Prospekt, were paid 1,180 rubles ($36.50) for a full 8-hour day and received a free lunch, Lvova wrote.

The ads have been deleted since the controversy broke, but were available as cached Google pages when accessed this week. Called the St. Petersburg Internet Research Agency, the company invited “goal-oriented people who like to surf the Internet” to join its “successful team.” “Now you’ll be able to surf the Internet and receive money for it,” it said. According to the ad, the positions of “blogger” and “commenter on articles, copywriter” were available. Bloggers were asked to write articles or a column, while commenters were to write comments on the articles. “The subjects are different, depending on orders,” the ad said.

Well! Something beyond he said-she said! It would be nice if I could find that ad myself!

But so far, your quest for evidence has ended, as far as I can tell, in failure. Maybe you can point out to me something in your links that I might have missed. Something solid and real, not blah-blah-blah.

*Evidence, not allegation, a distinction you seem to have great difficulty with.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JONGSSTRAW

Wednesday, January 28, 2015 3:05 AM

Kiki the Old Sow: "So why do you like the Muslim terrorists so much?"

Sniggy the Piggy: "Well for one thing, they don't eat pork products."

Kiki the Old Sow: "Neither do the Jews."

Sniggy the Piggy: "Yeah (sigh) I know. It's a real conundrum."

1KIKI

Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:28 AM

GeeWhiz

It's not that you don't read much of what you cite as your evidence - it's that you don't read any of it. Yanno, I read more of it than you do. So - no more.

At this point I'm writing off whatever you claim because - your claims are monotonously wrong. As are you.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Thursday, January 29, 2015 8:34 PM

SO, speaking of massacres.... frontline solders in Ukraine not only have the front line to worry about, they have to worry about their backs too. Kiev has taken to "backing up" frontline solders with squads who will shoot anyone attempting to desert battle.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

AURAPTOR

Friday, January 30, 2015 12:16 AM

Jongs -

Bazinga !