Putin accuses US of meddling into FIFA affairs

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GEEZER

Friday, May 29, 2015 7:36 PM

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MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the United States of meddling in the affairs of soccer’s governing body and hinted that its corruption investigation is part of an attempt to take the 2018 World Cup away from his country.

Yep. It's all about you, Vlad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/putin-accuses-us-of-meddlin
g-into-fifa-affairs/2015/05/28/69cd9ba6-051d-11e5-93f4-f24d4af7f97d_story.html

THGRRI

Friday, May 29, 2015 7:50 PM

Russia and it's corruption has been front and center along with their expansionism.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 29, 2015 8:20 PM

THUGR

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia and it's corruption has been front and center along with their expansionism

So ... what does Russian corruption have to do with FIFA corruption? Is FIFA Russian? Not snark, a genuine question, because I'm not following the connection you seem to have made between the two.

I'm confused. Maybe because I don't follow soccer, but ... the people that the DoJ had arrested weren't American citizens, and they weren't on American soil (as far as I know) when they committed their crimes. So how does a USA justice system indict and arrest foreigners on foreign soil? Were they breaking some international law? Was the USA acting kind of like INTERPOL? Is this some part of an international trade agreement, or something? Heck, Americans don't even LIKE soccer! If someone can explain how that works, I'd be most appreciative.

I've been hearing for years that FIFA was corrupt: Bribery is the only way to explain the decision to hold the world cup in Qatar. According to my soccer-following buddies, Qatar is SO hot, it's the butt of of many How hot is it" jokes. It's SO hot, they had to move the world cup series to the fall, which apparently interferes with all kinds of European playoffs (Forgive me if I got this wrong- I just nod and smile when my soccer-loving friend starts talking about soccer; but at some point my eyes kind of glaze over. I hope it doesn't show!)

But - appointing a Prince of Jordan as the FIFA President??? If anything smacks of corruption, it's that!

GEEZER
Don't worry, I'm sure Americans will find SOME way to "make Russia pay" for FIFA corruption! (And that's a KPO Prediction®.)

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In the end, the first thing that came to mind was: Well, you "lost" Ramadi and your Saudi friends don't like you so well and are threatening to get the bomb, but ...

HEY! At least you can score points against FIFA! That's sayin' sumpthin'!

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THGRRI

Friday, May 29, 2015 9:10 PM

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G

I think that's called "getting out in front of it..." I don't know for sure..., but I would be surprised if Russia hadn't bribed their way into getting the World Cup for 2018

Hey G welcome back. You got it. That plus the fact that once American banks are involved along with the American Broadcast industry, it becomes a legal issue for the United States.

THGRRI

Friday, May 29, 2015 9:44 PM

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G

Hi T! Interesting to see if Nike gets a visit.

I will say that when I saw the story break I was a bit "HUH?? How? We did this??" As with almost anything to do with this sport I would be most happy to see as little US involvement as possible (Fenway Group, etc) - we tend to change things and not always for the best. That's why I am cautiously optimistic as of this instant, that we might actually have some positive impact on a sport I've grown to enjoy immensely (anyone see the Europa League Final? Good match).

Not being a soccer fan I had no idea what was what. I still don’t really, not in-depth. That said I am a news junkie and have heard a lot about what’s going on. From what I gather the world is shocked and overjoyed by this turn of events. Again that said, you are right to be cautiously optimistic because the corporate world gets away with pretty much everything.

THGRRI

Friday, May 29, 2015 9:47 PM

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On the lighter side:

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/mccain-urges-military-s
trikes-against-fifa

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report) – Calling the Obama Administration’s actions against the soccer organization “weak and ineffective,” Senator John McCain on Thursday proposed military action to “dismantle and destroy FIFA once and for all.”

“These are people who only understand one thing: force,” McCain said on the floor of the United States Senate. “We must make FIFA taste the vengeful might and fury of the United States military.”

McCain said that he was “completely unimpressed” by the Department of Justice’s arrests of several top FIFA lieutenants this week, calling the action “the kind of Band-Aid solution that this Administration, sadly, has become famous for.”

“Rounding up a few flunkies in a hotel is meaningless when the leader of FIFA remains at large,” he said. “I will follow Sepp Blatter to the gates of Hell.”

OK, at first I thought this was a piece from the Onion.

SIGNYM

Friday, May 29, 2015 10:19 PM

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You'll be sorry to hear that US justice system did not arrest foreigners on foreign soil. Those were Swiss police forces in Zurich, the home of FIFA.

No, I was clear on the idea that these people were arrested on foreign soil by foreign police, which made things even harder to understand.

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The action alleges use of US financial systems to transfer bribery payouts, wire fraud.

I "get" extradition, but can the USA claim that because payments were made in "US financial systems" (whatever that means!) that this is an American crime? Wire payments are made via SWIFT, which is an international system. Do they mean that money went thru banks incorporated/headquarterd in the USA? Foreign banks with American branches? Any further info would be appreciated.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

THGRRI

Friday, May 29, 2015 10:40 PM

Yep G, Sig is posting because Putin made the call. Attack America's right to do this. Make it look as though they are the aggressors in the world, no one is safe. It's funny to me the best Sig can do is fane ignorance on the subject. I guess there is just too much support for this globally for her to make much hay about it.

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 1:13 AM

Bottom line: “I have no doubt that this is yet another evident attempt to derail Mr. Blatter’s re-election as FIFA president. We are aware of the pressure that he was subjected to in relation to Russia holding the 2018 World Cup.”

Is that true? If it is then, yes, it seems like it's a long-standing situation the US suddenly decided had to be addressed RIGHT NOW! simply to disadvantage Russia (and punish anyone who refuses to get with the program). And I have to fault the supposed 'news' agency WaPo. Where's their fact-checking? Can't they do journalism and determine if that pressure existed? Or are we to be treated to endless highly selected snippets of blahblahblah from all sides as 'news'.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 4:22 AM

How lucky are we, we have two.

Russia Steps up Propaganda Push with Online 'Kremlin Trolls'

"Deep inside a four-story marble building in St. Petersburg, hundreds of workers tap away at computers on the front lines of an information war, say those who have been inside. Known as "Kremlin trolls," the men and women work 12-hour shifts around the clock, flooding the Internet with propaganda aimed at stamping President Vladimir Putin's world vision on Russia, and the world.

The Kremlin has always dabbled in propaganda, but in the past year its troll campaign has gone into overdrive, adding hundreds of online operatives to help counter Western pressure over its role in the pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine. The program is drawing Serbia away from its proclaimed EU membership path and closer to the Russian orbit, and is targeting Germany, the United States and other Western powers. The operation has worried the European Union enough to prompt it to draw up a blueprint for fighting Russia's disinformation campaign, although details have not yet been released. "

Their doing a shit job though because Serbia just agreed to take the United States alternative when it comes to oil pipelines. No surprise there due to the fact that once in the position of being your oil supplier Russia resorts to blackmail to get what they want. Do this or we'll cut off your oil.

http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/russia-steps-propaganda-push-onli
ne-kremlin-trolls-n366606

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 5:03 AM

Hey there 'G' - did you forget the topic already? You must be suffering a geezer disease of the brain.

'"Their" doing a shit job ...' speaking of shit jobs - how's your English lately?

'once in the position of being your oil supplier Russia resorts to blackmail to get what they want' - you mean like telling the Ukraine they really really have to pay that long-overdue bill? What an outrage!

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 5:04 AM

Why is the U.S. bringing down the hammer on FIFA?

"As U.S. Attorney Loretta Lynch lays it out, the suspects planned their crimes in the U.S.; they used the U.S. banking system; they planned to profit through schemes that targeted the "growing U.S. market for soccer."

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/05/27/us/fifa-corruption-investigation-why
/index.html

1KIKI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 5:19 AM

And you believe whatever your masters say. How precious.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 30, 2015 7:14 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
No, I was clear on the idea that these people were arrested on foreign soil by foreign police, which made things even harder to understand.
No, you said the opposite - you posted:

"So how does a USA justice system indict and arrest foreigners on foreign soil?"
You should read the post you posted.

No, maybe YOU should read what I posted, because when I originally posted the question, it was

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I'm confused. Maybe because I don't follow soccer, but ... the people that the DoJ had arrested weren't American citizens

I thought I was pretty clear that the DoJ didn't arrest them directly, but had someone else do it.

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The internet is bursting with info - if I post any you are likely to reflexively disagree - wouldn't want you to pull anything.

really, I don't follow soccer and its just not intersting enuf to go look it up. I'm not abut to bird-dog this. But it seems like you really don't know either!

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GEEZER

Saturday, May 30, 2015 7:39 AM

Interesting that a good bit of the rest of the world is pretty happy with the U.S. indicting the FIFA execs.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32909908

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 30, 2015 10:29 AM

BBC is incredibly biased. I listen to their world news service, but I should reproduce for you a story that I read about their twisted reporting when it comes to China.

The corruption in FIFA was so rampant that even I heard about it, and I'm about as disengaged from soccer as one can possibly get. But there are a few things that I get out of the story:

1) Like I said before, we lost Ramadi but HEY, we can always score points on FIFA!

2) The rationalization that the DoJ used to target FIFA sounds like the rationalization that Bush used to invade Iraq. Heck, if the DoJ can get any foreigner arrested any time a US bank was involved in fraud, there wouldn't be any drug money, terrorist money, or human trafficking money flowing anywhere. And if it really IS possible to get foreigners arrested on such charges, why doesn't the DoJ focus on the rampant money-laundering going on thru US banks, or the fraudulent mortgages that banks made before 2008?

3) Where were the sponsors all this time? Willing to overloook rampant corruption as long as they got their advertising in, that's where! (As corrupt as FIFA, in other words)

3) And like I said before, I'm sure that the USA will find SOME way to make Russia "pay" for FIFA's corruption. Yanno, kind of like invading Iraq and Afghanistgan when the terrorists were mostly Saudi, and the whole thing was planned a funded by Saudis. Every time the USA bestirs itself to dig up and "solve" a problem, the cure is almost always worse than the disease.

Not sure how best to kick FIFA's ass, but clearly they needed a butt-kicking. Maybe now they'll clean up their act.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, May 30, 2015 1:38 PM

I guess he didn't get his cut.........to quote cousin Avi, who flew all the way from New York to London, in hopes of finding Frankie Four Fingers before he gambles away with a diamond big enough to choke a horse:

"That sneaky fucking Russian"

SGG

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MOSCOW — Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the United States of meddling in the affairs of soccer’s governing body and hinted that its corruption investigation is part of an attempt to take the 2018 World Cup away from his country.

Yep. It's all about you, Vlad.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/putin-accuses-us-of-meddlin
g-into-fifa-affairs/2015/05/28/69cd9ba6-051d-11e5-93f4-f24d4af7f97d_story.html

SHINYGOODGUY

Saturday, May 30, 2015 2:15 PM

Very good G, even I understood that. I heard somewhere that, as you explained, somehow Americans or American systems were involved, hence the DoJ's involvement by none other than the new AG, Lynch. It is both complicated and convoluted,and she has her well-educated finger on the pulse of the matter.

Come to think of it, there was that whole debacle in Brazil about the building of a stadium in the middle of a swamp, and how FIFA officials totally ignored the plight of the people in the area. Hundreds of millions being exchanged by greedy little hands and no sympathy for the poor folks of the region who were in need of housing. Or some such.

Then there's this story: Of a skyscraper building, in some South American country, where the poor and downtrodden squatted and took over the building in protest, and in need, because there was no decent housing. Somebody, somewhere was being naughty and holding their greedy little rookers out to accept their cut.

And we have either Brazil or Argentina to thank for our wonderful ATM charges here in the states. Back in the 70s, yes that's right because I lived through it, the World Bank, in their infinite wisdom, decided to pardon the hundreds of millions (is there any other kind) of debt owed. The banking world said "How do we recoup that money" You guessed it. Did you know that once upon a time the ATM was free to the banking customers here in the good ole USA? Some brilliant little fucker in the banking system came up with the idea to charge for that service until the debt was repaid to the banks for bailing out the South American country. And, as everyone knows, the banks can't lose out on profit.

Oh there was a mild protest, but you know who won that little argument. Coupled with the wonderful banking lawmakers, our political leaders saw to that. The banking system is a well-oiled machine, can't get in the way of progress and raking it in.
Some 45 years later, don't you think that the debt has been paid? Of course it has.
It is now a part of the banking landscape, among other things, and is as American as death and taxes. There's too much profit to be had with these "nickle and dime" charges. The banks even came up with an excuse to keep charging for the ATMs - the expense of placing the machines. Really!? They make millions in "service" fees - say, how much do these machines cost?

Corruption................ain't it grand!?

SGG

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I'll be happy to fill you in as best I know:

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THUGR
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia and it's corruption has been front and center along with their expansionism
So ... what does Russian corruption have to do with FIFA corruption? Is FIFA Russian? Not snark, a genuine question, because I'm not following the connection you seem to have made between the two.

This investigation COULD allege corruption/bribery in getting the 2018 World Cup which FIFA awards after a lengthy *cough* application process *cough.* I have not read that it will yet.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm confused. Maybe because I don't follow soccer, but ... the people that the DoJ had arrested weren't American citizens, and they weren't on American soil (as far as I know) when they committed their crimes. So how does a USA justice system indict and arrest foreigners on foreign soil? Were they breaking some international law? Was the USA acting kind of like INTERPOL? Is this some part of an international trade agreement, or something? Heck, Americans don't even LIKE soccer! If someone can explain how that works, I'd be most appreciative.

Actually, some of them were American citizens, and CONCACAF has a headquarters in MIAMI. The action alleges use of US financial systems to transfer bribery payouts, wire fraud. You'll be sorry to hear that US justice system did not arrest foreigners on foreign soil. Those were Swiss polic

THGRRI

Saturday, May 30, 2015 11:16 PM

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G

Totally agree! I hear the sounds of skittering paws on linoleum with every one of her posts :)
Besides, was there any doubt which way those 2 nutters would go once Geezer (the much hated by S/K) posted this, regardless of what facts would be revealed?

The only difference is that I have refused to acknowledge their posts as of late. It is one thing to be stupid and yet another to be a hateful liar. Since all their hatred is directed at my home I refuse to debate them further. I am of the opinion that conversing with them only gives them voice and to anyone who thinks their from this country and have any allegiance to it, I have a bridge to sell you.

You said it yourself G,

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regardless of what facts would be revealed

So why chase my tail while trying to converse with them?

SIGMYM AND 1KIKI ARE RUSSIAN TROLLS

SIGNYM

Saturday, May 30, 2015 11:58 PM

First of all, I had the same opinion when the DoJ levied a huge $9B fine against BNP Paribas for supposedly consorting with the devil ...er, I mean, trading with Iran. Apparently, in one of those transactions required a microsecond conversion of one currency to another via the $USD, and it was THAT transaction that snared BNP.

But this happens all the time. HSBC, RBS, GSK, Chase, major reality firms in NYC and London launder billions of ill-gotten gains from all sorts of crimes all over the world including illegal oil sales from terrorist operations, drug- and gun-running sales, human trafficking, plain-old embezzlement and bribery... The only time I EVER see the USA getting involved is when it becomes political:

kim dot com, BNP-Paribas, FIFA.
REALLY???
Not a dangerous terrorist group or drug cartel in the bunch!

Also, FIFA has apparently given the USA the big fat middle finger by re-electing Blatter. I appears that nobody wants to elect or appoint a Jordanian al-Qiada-linked Prince!
http://time.com/3901966/soccer-world-reacts-to-sepp-blatters-re-electi
on/

The world is giving the USA the big fat middle finger for its heavy-handed ways, BBC puppydog notwithstanding. Anticorruption, when it comes, it going to have to come from host nations and sponsors in order to be effective. Get used to it.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Sunday, May 31, 2015 3:07 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia and it's corruption has been front and center along with their expansionism
So ... what does Russian corruption have to do with FIFA corruption? Is FIFA Russian? Not snark, a genuine question, because I'm not following the connection you seem to have made between the two.

I'm confused. Maybe because I don't follow soccer, but ... the people that the DoJ had arrested weren't American citizens, and they weren't on American soil (as far as I know) when they committed their crimes. So how does a USA justice system indict and arrest foreigners on foreign soil? Were they breaking some international law? Was the USA acting kind of like INTERPOL? Is this some part of an international trade agreement, or something? Heck, Americans don't even LIKE soccer! If someone can explain how that works, I'd be most appreciative.

Obviously, because FIFA stands for Federation International FOOTBALL Association.
Just because the rest of the world doesn't know how to play real football or use the correct terms does not mean Obama should not make it his business.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 31, 2015 11:08 AM

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Just because the rest of the world doesn't know how to play real football or use the correct terms does not mean Obama should not make it his business.

Exactly! After all, he IS the American President for god's sakes! He should be able to make ANYthing his business, whether he knows anything about it or not!

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

SIGNYM

Sunday, May 31, 2015 6:17 PM

No, but THOSE INVOLVED ... there are sponsors all over the world, are there not? World officials everywhere who are subject to bidding for even a chance at the world cup?

Yanno might would work well???

Sunshine. Lots and lots of sunshine. Every nation which has dreams of hosting the World Cup should make public the attempted shakedown. After all, THEY are the victims, are they not?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Monday, June 1, 2015 1:44 AM

"Every nation which has dreams of hosting the World Cup should make public the attempted shakedown. After all, THEY are the victims, are they not?"

Well, it's like this. The countries are like abused, but dependent, children. If one goes public it gets no dinner ... or breakfast or lunch, or possibly any more food, ever. And the rest benefit from improved odds. A significant number would have to agree to do this together - enough countries that it would be sure to bring the system down entirely rather than merely provoke punishment. But there's the next step: where do they tell their tale?

That corruption has been ultimately overlooked in the past, and incurred no effective response, even with far more serious instances. Instances that SHOULD have warranted a major response. Countries read the lea-leaves right. Authorities don't care. That corruption by itself is surely an acceptable circumstance, as proven by past history. The countries couldn't depend on any authorities to fix the system. So even if they were to complain as a group - to whom should they turn? On whom could they depend?

Also, you're right Signy - the DoJ doesn't get involved unless there's a political reason to do so. In this case ... Putin.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SHINYGOODGUY

Monday, June 1, 2015 11:34 AM

What!!!???

SGG

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Russia and it's corruption has been front and center along with their expansionism
So ... what does Russian corruption have to do with FIFA corruption? Is FIFA Russian? Not snark, a genuine question, because I'm not following the connection you seem to have made between the two.

I'm confused. Maybe because I don't follow soccer, but ... the people that the DoJ had arrested weren't American citizens, and they weren't on American soil (as far as I know) when they committed their crimes. So how does a USA justice system indict and arrest foreigners on foreign soil? Were they breaking some international law? Was the USA acting kind of like INTERPOL? Is this some part of an international trade agreement, or something? Heck, Americans don't even LIKE soccer! If someone can explain how that works, I'd be most appreciative.

Obviously, because FIFA stands for Federation International FOOTBALL Association.
Just because the rest of the world doesn't know how to play real football or use the correct terms does not mean Obama should not make it his business.

SIGNYM

Monday, June 1, 2015 12:01 PM

I think that was a double-dose of irony. At least, that was the spirit in which I read it! And, in that light, it made sense.

Had a kind of poetry about it, you might say.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

THGRRI

Monday, June 1, 2015 7:35 PM

Love John Oliver, great segment.

Exhibit A; America takes up the cause of taking on FIFA to clean it up.

Exhibit B; Russia (Putin) leads the protest against America for doing so.

Exhibit C; Sig and 1kiki take up Putin's cause.

So for those of you who did not understand why I connected Russia to this before Putin made his statements of support for FIFA, now you know. There is more to come as this unfolds. G had it right when he suggested Putin may be trying to get out in front of this. I think that is exactly what Putin is doing. He is starting a case against America by suggesting they are meddling where they shouldn't, before evidence starts to accumulate that Russia bribed it's way into hosting the games. They are going to try and make it look like America is manufacturing the evidence. Of course that will only work on Russians. They are the only ones gullible enough to swallow that shit.

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 2, 2015 1:44 AM

Neither Signy nor I suggested that FIFA wasn't corrupt.

What I'm saying is that US interest in 'justice' is highly selective.

It didn't happen for severe, egregious reasons like with Brazil: "Twelve venues (seven new and five renovated) in twelve Brazilian cities were selected for the 2014 FIFA World Cup" with "Brazil Left with Expensive Stadiums, Debt after World Cup". This despite massive protests against Brazil hosting the World Cup. "However, the Brazilian public repeatedly expressed its discontent at FIFA’s decision. Sixty-one percent of the Brazilian adults who participated in a 2014 survey by the Pew Research Center were against Brazil hosting the event.[ii] Public protests and riots reached their climax before and during the 2013 FIFA Confederations Cup... and regained momentum as the opening ceremony of the World Cup drew nearer. The protests were centered around the people’s demands for higher expenditure on healthcare, education and public transport."
Even at the time people noted "rampant corruption".

Not only that, but FIFA amended its rules for 'how many stadiums' and 'where' to accommodate Brazil. "FIFA propose(d) that no more than one city may use two stadiums, and the number of host cities is limited between eight and ten. However, FIFA subsequently accepted the Brazilian Football Confederation's suggestion to use twelve host cities in "the interest of the whole country".

Do you think this was a corruption bonanza for all involved? I do. FIFA got its bribes and tax-free receipts. Connected Brazilian contractors got their lucrative contracts. Politicians got their connections. Everyone made out like a bandit, except for Brazilians who lost schools, infrastructure, healthcare, and other vital necessities, and who are paying more in taxes due to that heavy Brazilian debt and the fact that Brazil is just one step above junk-bond status.

That situation cried out for a corruption investigation - don't you think?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 3, 2015 1:16 AM

FIFA President Sepp Blatter Is Stepping Down

Sepp Blatter announced Tuesday that he is stepping down as FIFA president as the world's soccer governing body continues to be embroiled in scandal and controversy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/02/sepp-blatter-resignation_n_74
94774.html

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 3, 2015 9:38 AM

That situation (in Brazil) cried out for a corruption investigation - don't you think? - K

You mean like the current one? - G

Except, back then, in time to help the millions of Brazilians who were impoverished even more by the corrupt, cozy relationship between FIFA and Brazilian politicos, and when it really mattered to the lives of a lot of people. Yanno, actual justice for hundreds of millions of actual people. What a concept. Maybe the DoJ could look into it.

Rather than now, as a political snit.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 4, 2015 12:40 AM

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G

BTW - it's up to FIFA and the Swiss to go after the awarding of World Cups to Russia and Qatar - just so you know where to put those complaints.

Yep, but will they be able to get it done?

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Thursday, June 4, 2015 6:21 AM

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I think that was a double-dose of irony. At least, that was the spirit in which I read it! And, in that light, it made sense.

Had a kind of poetry about it, you might say.

If you are referring to my post, it was laced more with sarcasm. But I'm glad you saw it, I had thought it more obvious but my sarcasm button was dead.

1KIKI

Thursday, June 4, 2015 10:25 AM

But why wasn't the corruption for the Brazilian WC enuf to get someone to pull the trigger? You keep evading that point, 'G'. And I'll keep bringing it up. Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 4, 2015 10:57 PM

It's good G that you pointed out to 1kiki that American is leading the way. We are not perfect but all these countries who worship the soccer god ignored the tragedy called FIFA, with Russia leading the way complaining that FIFA should be left alone to continue it's corrupt practices.

KPO

Thursday, June 4, 2015 11:00 PM

Putin coming to the defence of a thoroughly corrupt institution. And Signy and kiki coming to the defence of Putin.

Everything here seems in order.

It's not personal. It's just war.

THGRRI

Friday, June 5, 2015 1:53 AM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Putin coming to the defence of a thoroughly corrupt institution. And Signy and kiki coming to the defence of Putin.

Everything here seems in order.

It's not personal. It's just war.

Big smile here after reading your post. :)

SIGNYM

Friday, June 5, 2015 9:49 PM

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Originally posted by kpo:
Putin coming to the defence of a thoroughly corrupt institution. And Signy and kiki coming to the defence of Putin.

Everything here seems in order.

It's not personal. It's just war.

First of all, Putin didn't defend FIFA. Second, I didn't defend Putin. Misrepresenting others is such a habit with you guys, I'm beginning to think it's not just a mistake, or prejudice, it's sheer downright and deliberate dishonesty.

But yanno, speaking of coming to the defense of a corrupt organization: At first I thought you were talking about you and THUGR and G coming to the defense of the USA. Or RAPPY coming to the defense of banks. Same difference, right? (Good thing you have your priorities straight! )

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THGRRI

Friday, June 5, 2015 10:26 PM

"The German government sent a shipment of rocket-propelled grenades to Saudi Arabia in order to secure support for their bid to host the 2006 World Cup, according to the latest sensational claims in the FIFA scandal."

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2015/6/5/8735325/germany-bought-2006-wo
rld-cup-votes-by-sending-saudi-arabia-rocket

SECOND

Friday, June 5, 2015 10:41 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
First of all, Putin didn't defend FIFA. Second, I didn't defend Putin. Misrepresenting others is blah blah blah

Not one of you have mentioned Chuck Blazer. Why is that? The FIFA corruption prosecution arose out of wrongdoing by a US citizen, Chuck Blazer, who failed to pay any US taxes from 2005 to 2010 and then agreed to provide evidence about other FIFA wrongdoing as part of a plea agreement.

The other defendants include US citizens and a US company, along with their foreign co-conspirators. CONCACAF, one of the main FIFA regional entities at issue in the case, has its administrative offices in the US. FIFA's decision to award Russia the World Cup isn't at issue in the indictment.

But that's the point: Putin's fear of US aggression and interference is so deep that he sees it everywhere, regardless of whether that's actually reasonable. His answers were based on his general concerns about the United States, not on the specifics of the FIFA case. www.vox.com/2015/5/29/8683409/fifa-corruption-putin-fear
Chuck Blazer has been in trouble for Four Years! This was Uploaded on May 31, 2011.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 6, 2015 7:59 AM

List of officials arrested by Switzerland on behalf of the USA

Jeffrey Webb: Current FIFA vice president and executive committee member, CONCACAF president, Caribbean Football Union (CFU) executive committee member and Cayman Islands Football Association (CIFA) president.

Eduardo Li: Current FIFA executive committee member-elect, CONCACAF executive committee member and Costa Rican soccer federation (FEDEFUT) president.

Julio Rocha: Current FIFA development officer. Former Central American Football Union (UNCAF) president and Nicaraguan soccer federation (FENIFUT) president.

Costas Takkas: Current attaché to the CONCACAF president. Former CIFA general secretary.

Jack Warner: Former FIFA vice president and executive committee member, CONCACAF president, CFU president and Trinidad and Tobago Football Federation (TTFF) special adviser.

Eugenio Figueredo: Current FIFA vice president and executive committee member. Former CONMEBOL (South American Football Confederation) president and Uruguayan soccer federation (AUF) president.

Rafael Esquivel: Current CONMEBOL executive committee member and Venezuelan soccer federation (FVF) president.

José Maria Marin: Current member of the FIFA organizing committee for the Olympic football tournaments. Former CBF president.

Nicolás Leoz: Former FIFA executive committee member and CONMEBOL president.

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SIGNYM

Saturday, June 6, 2015 7:06 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM: First of all, Putin didn't defend FIFA. Second, I didn't defend Putin. Misrepresenting others is such a habit with you guys, I'm beginning to think it's not just a mistake, or prejudice, it's sheer downright and deliberate dishonesty.

*After I stopped laughing...* So very Signym to claim an offense has been made against her and then in the same post do the same thing to others. Looks like KPO was the only one doing that in this particular thread, no one else.

Actually, it was all three of you.

Know how to read much? I said it was a HABIT with you guys, and therefore (one might think, from the meaning of the word "habit") you have repeated this behavior many times in many threads, not just this one. Was I responding to comments outside of this thread? YES, I WAS. So suck it up. The shoe fits...

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But speaking of deliberate dishonesty... we have pages of threads showing you to be Putin's/Russia's Defender in Chief - for about a year now.

Find where I "defended" Putin, or Russia. Quote me, son.

You see?

So, speaking of deliberate dishonesty (or maybe complete idiocy) ... you just can't help yourself, can you? In the very thread where I said that you routinely misrepresent what I say .... you take offence, and then you misrepresent what I say...again!

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Plus, if you don't see this as Putin defense of Blatter (worse than defending FIFA imho) then you are either lying or stupid:

“Our American counterparts, unfortunately, are using the same methods to reach their goals and illegally persecute people. I don’t rule out that this is the case in relation to FIFA,” Putin said. “I have no doubt that this is yet another evident attempt to derail Mr. Blatter’s re-election as FIFA president." So, Blatter = innocent, America = the devil.

In addition, you don't know anything about the American justice system ... or you don't care much about it.
"Innocent until proven guilty"? Have you heard of it? So, yeah- Blatter = innocent, until shown otherwise.

My god. You're such a fool. Time and time again, you accept a nation's ALLEGATIONS .... a nation, BTW, which has been shown time and time again to lie to achieve its ends ... and you never think TWICE about it. (Heck, you never even think ONCE about it.) You assume that Blatter- who BTW hasn't even been indicted - is guilty, just because Putin said something about him!

Must be guilt by association, huh?

You represent the worst of America, son: stupid, arrogant, hypocritical, moralistic, and vengeful. The same kind of unjust, unlawful, imperialist asshole that Kind George had become. The kind of powerful prig that our Founding Fathers were trying to prevent.

Yanno, I learned a lot about you from this little comment that you made to KIKI:

Quote:
Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?-KIKI

Are you really that childish?-G

You think justice is childish.

That explains a lot about your behavior. None of it good. (And THUGR'S, and KPO's too.)

And I'll bet you were a schoolyard bully, too.

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THGRRI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 3:53 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Actually, it was all three of you.

Ok - then it should be easy to show where I said you were defending Putin, yanno before your claim.

G,

SIG has taken up Putin’s defense in the abstract ( subtly ) by making comments that exist in common thought to his. Instead of making a direct statement of defense she takes up his agenda. The agenda you pointed to earlier. Putin trying to get out in front of the FIFA investigation by casting doubt on its intent. She is also doing this by presenting subjective ideas rather than sticking to the facts.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:52 AM

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Actually, it was all three of you.

Ok - then it should be easy to show where I said you were defending Putin, yanno before your claim.

What I said was that you three have a habit of misrepresenting what I've said. And it seems that you just did (again).

However, your comment could best be described as "snark", not misrepresentation, so in THIS thread (up until recently anyway) you didn't. Your comment was

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So you could focus your usual anti-US rant there and at least be accurate (you're welcome).

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SIGNYM

Sunday, June 7, 2015 4:54 AM

Quote:
G, SIG has taken up Putin’s defense in the abstract ( subtly ) by making comments that exist in common thought to his. Instead of making a direct statement of defense she takes up his agenda. The agenda you pointed to earlier. Putin trying to get out in front of the FIFA investigation by casting doubt on its intent. She is also doing this by presenting subjective ideas rather than sticking to the facts.-THUGR

So now I'm "defending" Putin by saying "similar" things???

And you're ... what?... "defending" Obama by supporting his policies?

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1KIKI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:25 AM

kiki- But why wasn't the corruption for the Brazilian WC enuf to get someone to pull the trigger?
G- How do you know it didn't?

"Meanwhile, the Office of the Attorney General of Switzerland opened criminal proceedings against 10 unnamed individuals “on suspicion of criminal mismanagement and of money laundering” in connection with the controversial allocation of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, awarded to Russia and Qatar, respectively."

Have any charges been laid regarding Brazil? No. There's your answer.

And this? G- 18 indictments, spanning 5 continents - 3 of those indicted or arrested Brazilians - is not a snit. Why didn't Brazil do something? South America Soccer Federation? Or any number of countries that were in the World Cup? Do you hold them up to the same demands? Just more evasions of my question. Which I'll ask - again. If the US has such an overriding interest in justice, why not investigate the Brazilian world cup?

kiki- Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?
G- Are you really that childish?

Are you really that corrupt? Do you really think that the police power of the state should be selectively wielded for political ends?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:42 AM

Hey G, did we come to the defense of the United States? I don't recall doing that. I only recall saying they were responding to crimes committed under the jurisdiction of the United States to clear up some confusion about their authority to act. It was implied by SIG in the beginning of the thread they did not. Subtly of course but none the less implied. Am I missing something here or is this just more of the same; bullshit.

Cites

1KIKI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 8:12 AM

kiki- But why wasn't the corruption for the Brazilian WC enuf to get someone to pull the trigger?
G- How do you know it didn't?

"Meanwhile, the Office of the Attorney General of Switzerland opened criminal proceedings against 10 unnamed individuals “on suspicion of criminal mismanagement and of money laundering” in connection with the controversial allocation of the 2018 and 2022 World Cups, awarded to Russia and Qatar, respectively."

Have any charges been laid regarding Brazil? No. There's your answer.

And this? G- 18 indictments, spanning 5 continents - 3 of those indicted or arrested Brazilians - is not a snit. Why didn't Brazil do something? South America Soccer Federation? Or any number of countries that were in the World Cup? Do you hold them up to the same demands? Just more evasions of my question. Which I'll ask - again. If the US has such an overriding interest in justice, why not investigate the Brazilian world cup?

kiki- Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?
G- Are you really that childish?

Are you really that corrupt? Do you really think that the police power of the state should be selectively wielded for political ends?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SECOND

Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:44 PM

This discussion is very similar to today's Dilbert comic http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-07 This is what it says:

I'm Dick, from the Internet. I'm the guy who always says ridiculous, angry stuff. I misinterpret every comment you make as an absurd absolute and then I attack it like you are a moron.

Dilbert: That doesn't sound fun.

Dick: Wow. So you are saying everything in the world needs to be fun. Maybe you should do some research before you embarrass yourself like that again.

Dilbert: Hey! You ARE the Guy from the Internet!

Dick: I'm sending you Five Links that are not as relevant as I think they are.

Dilbert: You're famous!

The surprising reason the US is prosecuting the FIFA case
www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8677525/fifa-corruption-us-prosecution

SECOND

Sunday, June 7, 2015 5:58 PM

Jump forward to 6 minutes 40 seconds:

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

GEEZER

Sunday, June 7, 2015 6:15 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
First of all, Putin didn't defend FIFA.

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Putin said even if “someone has done something wrong,” Russia “has nothing to do with it.” He then tried to portray the probe as a U.S. attempt to go after dissenters, likening the case to the persecution of whistleblowers Julian Assange and Edward Snowden.

“Our American counterparts, unfortunately, are using the same methods to reach their goals and illegally persecute people. I don’t rule out that this is the case in relation to FIFA,” Putin said. “I have no doubt that this is yet another evident attempt to derail Mr. Blatter’s re-election as FIFA president. We are aware of the pressure that he was subjected to in relation to Russia holding the 2018 World Cup.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/putin-accuses-us-of-meddlin
g-into-fifa-affairs/2015/05/28/69cd9ba6-051d-11e5-93f4-f24d4af7f97d_story.html

Second, I didn't defend Putin.

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GEEZER
Don't worry, I'm sure Americans will find SOME way to "make Russia pay" for FIFA corruption! (And that's a KPO Prediction®.)

"When your heart breaks, you choose what to fill the cracks with. Love or hate. But hate won't ever heal. Only love can do that."

THGRRI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 7:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
This discussion is very similar to today's Dilbert comic http://dilbert.com/strip/2015-06-07 This is what it says:

I'm Dick, from the Internet. I'm the guy who always says ridiculous, angry stuff. I misinterpret every comment you make as an absurd absolute and then I attack it like you are a moron.

Dilbert: That doesn't sound fun.

Dick: Wow. So you are saying everything in the world needs to be fun. Maybe you should do some research before you embarrass yourself like that again.

Dilbert: Hey! You ARE the Guy from the Internet!

Dick: I'm sending you Five Links that are not as relevant as I think they are.

Dilbert: You're famous!

The surprising reason the US is prosecuting the FIFA case
www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8677525/fifa-corruption-us-prosecution

That sums it up nicely TWO, well done.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 7, 2015 7:56 PM

Well, G, it's nice to see some things never change, and that you're diving in with both feet into your standard response.

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In addition, you don't know anything about the American justice system ... or you don't care much about it.
"Innocent until proven guilty"? Have you heard of it? So, yeah- Blatter = innocent, until shown otherwise. -SIGNY

Wrong. He was president of FIFA for 19 years while all of this was happening - $150 million dollars by current counts, of fraud, corruption and bribery - so he is very fucking guilty. If he's lucky it will only be gross incompetence, but he will still be very guilty.

Judge, jury, executioner- that's you!
I see tho, that you're an equal-opportunity asshole, since you apply this same frame of mind to Russia (INVADES UKRAINE!), Putin (DEMON!), Blatter (GUILTY!) ... pretty much anyone you've decided that you dislike.

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My god. You're such a fool. Time and time again, you accept a nation's ALLEGATIONS .... - SIGNY

I do? Which nation and which ones? Otherwise you're just making shit up again.

Hmm... the United States' allegations of course. Allegations about Blatter (who BTW hasn't been indicted yet, assuming that he ever is). Allegations about that "invasion" of Ukraine, allegations about MH17. Did you believe crap about Iraqi WMD? The crap about Qaddafi? Syria's Assad?

It's not as if it hasn't been pointed out to you several dozen times that you run far ahead actual evidence, and that maybe you should pretend that you're on a jury, and sift the evidence BEFORE you come to a judgment? Or at least check out the evidence at SOME point in your opinion-process? Do you think that might even be possible?

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... a nation, BTW, which has been shown time and time again to lie to achieve its ends ... and you never think TWICE about it. (Heck, you never even think ONCE about it.) -SIGNY
You can't possibly know how many times I've thought about something, so you're just making shit up again.

Well, if you do any thinking at all before you form an opinion, it's remarkable ineffective. RAPPY-like, one might say. Based on emotion, prejudice, and a durable belief-system, and resistant to contrary information, and resistant to learning.

Just OOC, G, have you changed your mind about anything in the past five years? Because if you haven't, you're not in touch with the real world.

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You assume that Blatter- who BTW hasn't even been indicted - is guilty, just because Putin said something about him! - SIGNY

Ha! What? Where do you get that? You appear to be making shit up again. I could care less what Vlad thinks about Blatter - it's a minor, amusing side story at best.

You spent some words on the topic.

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"Must be guilt by association, huh?"-SIGNY

If you say so.

Glad that's settled.

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You represent the worst of America, son: stupid, arrogant, hypocritical, moralistic, and vengeful. The same kind of unjust, unlawful, imperialist asshole that Kind George had become. The kind of powerful prig that our Founding Fathers were trying to prevent.-SIGNY

O My - and you call me a bully!

Hmmm ... I think this is the source of your tirade.

Well, you are. I'll still bet you were a bully in grade school, and you're definitely an "American-style" bully here ... one who thinks that he is justified in advocating whatever he feels like, no matter how many people are killed or how unjust he's being, because it's the American way.

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Yanno, I learned a lot about you from this little comment that you made to KIKI:

Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?-KIKI
Are you really that childish?-G
You think justice is childish. -SIGNY

Obviously you learned nothing and have no intentions of doing so. To be accurate, I asked Kiki i

THGRRI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:31 PM

Quote:

G

It's a head scratcher how those 2 clowns can't even find the right side of the FIFA scandal - you'd think that would be impossible.

In the case of FIFA they are defending the indefensible; why? All research suggests FIFA has been corrupt forever. Perhaps it was because of the riots in Brazil. Perhaps it was due to Cutter being on course to having 4,000 migrant worker deaths, while building the stadium for the 2022 cup. I think it was both and then some why the world’s most conscientious countries decided to take action.

SIG and 1kiki scream the loudest for defending the meek against the man, yet they have taken the path of mimicking Putin’s concerns and not giving much voice to the 4,000. Since it is not Putin’s focus it is not theirs. So why give credence to any concerns they voice about power and corruption in the future. Especially as we witness they only seem to care about the meek, when it can be wielded as a weapon against the United States or who they deem enemy's of Russia. As they warp and distort the truth in subjective posts to spread their bull about others. The first thing I always looked for with SIG and 1kiki was their agenda. It’s always there just under the surface and always the same; Russia.

This thread along with the Russia invades Ukraine thread, is a window into SIG and 1kiki’s view of the world’s problems. They have shown over and over again, neither facts nor consideration for the truth matters. Their voice is skewed and political to the extreme for Russia.

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 7, 2015 9:41 PM

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In the case of FIFA they are defending the indefensible; why?

Lying again??? Why?

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THGRRI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 10:23 PM

Bottom line, thank god that someone is focusing on a system so corrupt thousands are dying while others look the other way.

1KIKI

Sunday, June 7, 2015 11:59 PM

Actually, as is often the case with you, the complete opposite is true. First you not-so-cleverly singled out only a part of the entire investigation, the part that was about something else.

Actually, as is often the case with you, you demonstrated a complete lack of reading ability, thinking ability, and honesty. I know that some Brazilians (yes, more than 1) are being investigated. What I'll point out AGAIN - for the fourth (fifth? sixth?) time is that no charges have been laid about the BRAZILIAN WORLD CUP EVENT. Since there is no way I could be any more clear and explicit about that, perhaps you could be a little less illiterate, stupid and dishonest.

And here I'll repeat my question - if the US is SO interested in justice, why didn't THAT EVENT make it bestir itself and investigate?

And since you never even attempted to address this point (except with pure personally directed snark) here this is again as well:

kiki - Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?
G- Are you really that childish?

Are you really that corrupt? Do you really think that the police power of the state should be selectively wielded for political ends?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, June 8, 2015 2:07 AM

I'm seeing a lot of 'if' coming off of that ..

Estadao CLAIMS that sources close to the corruption investigation being led by the Department of Justice have said that last summer’s tournament in Brazil MAY be “EXAMINED”.

caps and highlighted to help you understand your own source - note CLAIMS not QUOTES, MAY not WILL, and EXAMINED not INVESTIGATED, and as I'll point out again for - how many times? - not the trigger that moved the US to get 'justice'

And the true measure of equal justice (is there supposed to be any other kind 'G'?) - actual charges against the full extent of the Brazilian event corruption - a distant mirage.

I'll make a prediction: the Brazilian event will be "examined" only enough to allow a vastly reduced plea bargain, in order to get enough dirt on the 'REAL' injustice - Russia.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, June 8, 2015 3:03 AM

You may recognize this from page 1:

"Every nation which has dreams of hosting the World Cup should make public the attempted shakedown. After all, THEY are the victims, are they not?"

Well, it's like this. The countries are like abused, but dependent, children. If one goes public it gets no dinner ... or breakfast or lunch, or possibly any more food, ever. And the rest benefit from improved odds. A significant number would have to agree to do this together - enough countries that it would be sure to bring the system down entirely rather than merely provoke punishment. But there's the next step: where do they tell their tale?

That corruption has been ultimately overlooked in the past, and incurred no effective response, even with far more serious instances. Instances that SHOULD have warranted a major response. like Brazil Countries read the tea-leaves right. Authorities don't care. That corruption by itself is surely an acceptable circumstance, as proven by past history. The countries couldn't depend on any authorities to fix the system. So even if they were to complain as a group - to whom should they turn? On whom could they depend?

Also, you're right Signy - the DoJ doesn't get involved unless there's a political reason to do so. In this case ... Putin

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Monday, June 8, 2015 3:05 AM

Meanwhile:

I'm seeing a lot of 'if' coming off of that ..

Estadao CLAIMS that sources close to the corruption investigation being led by the Department of Justice have said that last summer’s tournament in Brazil MAY be “EXAMINED”.

caps and highlighted to help you understand your own source - note CLAIMS not QUOTES, MAY not WILL, and "EXAMINED" (their quotes, not mine) not INVESTIGATED, and as I'll point out again for - how many times? - not the trigger that moved the US to get 'justice'

And the true measure of equal justice (is there supposed to be any other kind 'G'?) - actual charges against the full extent of the Brazilian event corruption - a distant mirage.

I'll make a prediction: the Brazilian event will be "examined" only enough to allow a vastly reduced plea bargain, in order to get enough dirt on the 'REAL' injustice - Russia.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, June 8, 2015 6:19 AM

G.

I have been following your posts with 1kiki. Again no answer to your questions. I have seen you do this with 1kiki and sig for as long as I can remember. I know you knew she would respond the way she did; why bother with those two.

I say start a thread and ignore them. Let's try and attract some decent folk looking for an honest discussion. Let's work towards restoring the real world thread to a better time. This shit with these two gotta stop sometime.

1KIKI

Monday, June 8, 2015 8:00 AM

- How do you know Brazil WC isn't being investigated?

Maybe you should read your own links??

- How would any of us here know why or if they are?

Maybe you should read your own links??

- BONUS Russian Question: If you think there such an obvious imperative, why didn't Russia do something?

Maybe you should read my posts??

But I'll give you my argument - again. I have NOT claimed FIFA is innocent. I have NOT claimed Russia is innocent. My problem is that the US - and you, THUUGR, kpo, and 2nd - are claiming to be following some kind of moral imperative in the name of justice. Or, to accurately portray your version: 'justice'.

Prove to me that this moral imperative is genuine. Prove to me that YOUR claim for justice is not just yet another lie from you. Show me that the US is working in the interests of fair, impartial, proportionate justice. That thing you think is "childish" to hold as a standard (and btw, how very Soviet of you).

Because - as I have stated for a dozen posts by now - it looks like the US has no problem ignoring VAST injustice - as it did with Brazil. It only acts when it can wield state police power to achieve a political aim (and btw, how very Soviet of it).

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, June 8, 2015 8:19 AM

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
G.

I have been following your posts with 1kiki. Again no answer to your questions. I have seen you do this with 1kiki and sig for as long as I can remember. I know you knew she would respond the way she did; why bother with those two.

I say start a thread and ignore them. Let's try and attract some decent folk looking for an honest discussion. Let's work towards restoring the real world thread to a better time. This shit with these two gotta stop sometime.

I'm all for that - fact is it really was not my intention to engage those 2 any longer than this weekend. It was fun to pop back in and see a thread from Geezer about WCup soccer and FIFA and Putin, couldn't help myself since it's been a great find for me (soccer). Those 2 will be forever lost in their own head space.

I'm sure there are a lot of people who would be interested in some honest chat from time to time. It has to be a great turn off to look in and see what actually happens here. All the lies and distortions. Sig and 1kiki can be ignored and warning labels attached to them when they post. There are many subjects that I like discussing including what's wrong with the USA. I just can't stomach those two. Again it doesn't mean we can't open up legit conversations while ignoring them. It may attract others back the these threads.

THGRRI

Monday, June 8, 2015 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Maybe you should read your own links??

Idiot - I didn't ask you what I thought, I asked you to see what you thought - NM.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Maybe you should read my posts??

Not an answer, just another dodge - NM.

Weekend is over, and so is my interest in communicating with you Signym any further. Go ahead, make a desperate attempt to keep the conversation alive by asking another one of your inane, teenager questions... "so, if you are rooting for the US Women's soccer team in this world cup, then you must obviously think poor people should ground up and fed to rich Americans..."

I look forward to many pleasant discussions with you moving forward G. Time permitting I will try and respond to your posts and hope that sig and 1kiki learn from more and more of us not responding to their nonsense.

THGRRI

Monday, June 8, 2015 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by THGRRI:

I look forward to many pleasant discussions with you moving forward G. Time permitting I will try and respond to your posts and hope that sig and 1kiki learn from more and more of us not responding to their nonsense.

Me too, T.

I have to warn you : I hate politics!

Not a problem for me. Pick your topics, I'll give them a go.

1KIKI

Monday, June 8, 2015 11:48 PM

- How do you know Brazil WC isn't being investigated?

Maybe you should read your own links??

- Idiot - I didn't ask you what I thought, I asked you to see what you thought.

You asked me how did I know. I knew by reading your links, which stated that the US may possibly look into the Brazil WC in the future. Which I then quoted, and discussed. Hence, according to your link, and by commonly understood English, as a POTENTIAL FUTURE event it hasn't happened yet and it's not happening now.

So - Maybe you should read your own links??

- BONUS Russian Question: If you think there such an obvious imperative, why didn't Russia do something?

Maybe you should read my posts??

- Not an answer, just another dodge

Then let me just quote myself where I answered your question:
But I'll give you my argument - again. I have NOT claimed FIFA is innocent. I have NOT claimed Russia is innocent. My problem is that the US - and you, THUUGR, kpo, and 2nd - are claiming to be following some kind of moral imperative in the name of justice. Or, to accurately portray your version: 'justice'.

Prove to me that this moral imperative is genuine. Prove to me that YOUR claim for justice is not just yet another lie from you. Show me that the US is working in the interests of fair, impartial, proportionate justice. That thing you think is "childish" to hold as a standard (and btw, how very Soviet of you).

Because - as I have stated for a dozen posts by now - it looks like the US has no problem ignoring VAST injustice - as it did with Brazil. It only acts when it can wield state police power to achieve a political aim (and btw, how very Soviet of it)

So - Maybe you should read my posts??

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, June 8, 2015 11:55 PM

Warning; two Russian trolls have entered this thread.

SIGNYM and 1KIKI are a problem in this thread because they are Russian trolls. They back whomever Russia backs and have shown themselves as purveyors’ of disinformation. Their posts will be skewed in ways not always discernable. Engage with them at your own risk. I chose not to.

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 10, 2015 5:57 AM

Russia, Qatar could lose World Cup hosting rights if bribery proven, says FIFA official

"FIFA, the international governing body for soccer, is reeling from recent criminal charges by U.S. law enforcement against nine FIFA members and five sports marketing executives, as well as guilty pleas and cooperation agreements from several other soccer insiders."

http://fireflyfans.net/mreply.aspx?mid=999000

I got 5 bucks says bribery is proven. Meanwhile;

Online petition targets Coca-Cola over Qatar World Cup human rights abuses

"The 17-year-old website, which has 28 million members according to a Care2 spokeswoman, endorsed a petition that began June 2 which asks soft drink giant Coca-Cola to withdraw its $30 million FIFA sponsorship unless Qatar addresses its alleged human rights abuses in advance of the soccer tournament."

I have another 5 bucks that says Coke stands to lose more than 30 million as this progresses. I think they'll cave.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/soccer/online-petition-targets-coca-
cola-qatar-wcup-abuses-article-1.2251043

1KIKI

Wednesday, June 10, 2015 9:38 AM

I got 5 bucks says bribery is proven.

Nobody's disagreeing with that, stupid.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Thursday, June 18, 2015 3:17 AM

Fifa corruption: Swiss banks 'reported possible money laundering'

“Swiss prosecutors are investigating 53 cases of possible money laundering in their inquiry into bidding for the 2018 and 2022 Fifa World Cups.”

I saw this headline and all I could think about was Casablanca.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33163918

1KIKI

Thursday, June 18, 2015 11:36 AM

Brazil?

Brazil?

Brazil?
Brazil?

Ferris Brazil?

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

1KIKI

Friday, June 19, 2015 9:28 AM

"You don't trust the US but are suddenly willing to trust their statements about future events."

Show me Brazil is being INVESTIGATED.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Friday, June 19, 2015 8:32 PM

In Brenda's world of wrestling that's called a smack down. G

THGRRI

Saturday, June 20, 2015 6:22 AM

Putin has hissy fit.

"Russia's investigative committee spokesman has demanded that an international investigation be launched into the U.S. 1969 moon landings, after a US-led investigation into the world governing body FIFA, cast doubt over the fairness of choosing Russia to host the next World Cup."

I say Russia should investigate. I'm sure they have the expertise and millions upon millions of dollars such investigation's would cost. They are calling for an investigation into our 1994 world cup sponsorship as well. I say they should do it and more power to them. Till then I suggest Putin stop crying into his Okroshka ( soup ).

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-demands-probe-into-us-moon-
landing/ar-AAbNWHp

1KIKI

Saturday, June 20, 2015 10:22 AM

'G'

Once again - a failure to address my point. This is what you posted in response to the point I've made MANY times now, that the US is NOT investigating anything to do with how BRAZIL was awarded the World Cup:

FIFA arrests spur Brazil to probe soccer corruption

Did you notice that it's NOT the US - with its delicate moral sensitivities outraged by Russia - investigating anything to do with the rampant corruption that was the Brazilian-hosted World Cup?

You actually made my point for me, again.

The US wields a politically-honed knife when it claims it's seeking 'justice'. Because the corruption that was Brazil spurred no moral outrage, either then --- or now. Meanwhile, petty infractions by Russia are pursued vigorously, because, yanno, Putin ...

Yep. The the US practices the kind of 'justice' you all like best. The one where you hang first.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Saturday, June 20, 2015 8:27 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-demands-probe-into-us-moon-
landing/ar-AAbNWHp

Too funny - man are they obsessed, seeing attacks everywhere. Obviously, if they are innocent (har har), they wouldn't need to waste their time with this pantomime.
Gee, I wonder what they'd *find*? Photoshopped pictures of Obama writing a check, magnification: Pay to the Order of: Sepp Blatter??
Don't they seem so very childish? I'm over simplifying but... I find Russian men to have a very immature, overly simplistic definition of masculinity, extreme male vanity. It's very 1st grade playground rules with some Rambo and other TV/Film cheesy machismo (70's) thrown in. How easily they get in a huff at anything the US does. Ukraine is a basic payback because Vlad was dissed when Yanukovych was run out of Kiev - someone stole his marbles. He is treated like a god in Russia, but when the rest of the world laughs he has a hissy fit. Little petulant, whiny dictator.

I find machismo is attributable to being underdeveloped emotionally and intellectually. Then of course there is the Napoleon syndrome. I think the latter is definitely one of Putin's afflictions.

I think one thing an intelligent person would realize is that the FIFA investigation conducted by the USA is based on what transpired within the jurisdiction of the USA and it's banking system. Naturally all other investigations would spin off of that, and not everything being investigated would come out all at once. Any investigation such as this one would be ongoing. However if what you seek is to deflect from the facts then you would do what Putin and 1kiki are doing. Try to get the world to believe that malice was the motive for the investigation and that the investigators themselves are just as guilty as those they are exposing.

Funny G, I don't recall you or I suggesting American business or America's representatives when negotiating for the cup to be played here are not guilty of payoffs. That no one in America was corrupted by doing business with FIFA over the years. If it comes out some here are guilty as well so be it. I won't be crying in my Okroshka ( soup ).

SIGNYM

Saturday, June 20, 2015 9:36 PM

Quote:
If you are referring to my post, it was laced more with sarcasm. But I'm glad you saw it, I had thought it more obvious but my sarcasm button was dead.

Well, deep irony v sarcasm... I think they're close to each other on the same end of the spectrum. It was appreciated, whatever you call it.

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Sunday, June 21, 2015 1:09 AM

'G'

I leave it to you to count how MANY times you straw-manned my argument. Because this: It was the US investigations that spurred on the Brazilians was NEVER my point. Below are my posts, making one argument, which you straw-manned at every instance.

.. it seems like it's a long-standing situation the US suddenly decided had to be addressed RIGHT NOW! simply to disadvantage Russia (and punish anyone who refuses to get with the program).

That corruption has been ultimately overlooked in the past, and incurred no effective response, even with far more serious instances. Instances that SHOULD have warranted a major response. (like Brazil)
Also, you're right Signy - the DoJ doesn't get involved unless there's a political reason to do so. In this case ... Putin.

What I'm saying is that US interest in 'justice' is highly selective.
It didn't happen for severe, egregious reasons like with Brazil.

Except, back then, in time to help the millions of Brazilians who were impoverished even more by the corrupt, cozy relationship between FIFA and Brazilian politicos, and when it really mattered to the lives of a lot of people. Yanno, actual justice for hundreds of millions of actual people. What a concept. Maybe the DoJ could look into it.
Rather than now, as a political snit.

But why wasn't the corruption for the Brazilian WC enuf to get someone to pull the trigger? You keep evading that point, 'G'. And I'll keep bringing it up. Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?

"Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?" And let me just quote your response in context because it says everything about you anyone needs to know: "Are you really that childish?"
You couldn't bring yourself to agree with what should be an easy point of concurrence on a statement of ideals, even though we know we fall short in practice. You couldn't agree that justice is SUPPOSED to be the same for everyone.
You don't want justice, even as a ideal goal. And not especially if it gets in the way of 'justice'.
And to distract from your inability to agree, you resorted to pure ad hominem, which demonstrates (yet again) your lack of ethics.
Yes, it was everything important about you in one short sentence. It's not about freedom, or justice, or any ideal you do try to hide behind. Ideals? They're --- childish. It's about you being completely partisan. It's about sides. It's about 'your side' winning at all costs, no matter how.
Like I said, it was everything important about you in one short sentence.

"Justice is supposed to be the same for everyone or it's not justice, it's something else. Don't you agree?"
"Are you really that childish?"

Just more evasions of my question. Which I'll ask - again. If the US has such an overriding interest in justice, why not investigate the Brazilian world cup?

Actually, as is often the case with you, you demonstrated a complete lack of reading ability, thinking ability, and honesty. I know that some Brazilians (yes, more than 1) are being investigated. What I'll point out AGAIN - for the fourth (fifth? sixth?) time is that no charges have been laid about the BRAZILIAN WORLD CUP EVENT. Since there is no way I could be any more clear and explicit about that, perhaps you could be a little less illiterate, stupid and dishonest.
And here I'll repeat my question - if the US is SO interested in justice, why didn't THAT EVENT make it bestir itself and investigate?

... your own source - note CLAIMS not QUOTES, MA

THGRRI

Sunday, June 21, 2015 9:42 PM

SIGNYM

Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:38 PM

I noticed that G and THUGR has formed some kind of folie a deux* in which they reinforce each other's less-rational thought processes.

Both G and THUGR inherently believe that that USA is "right", moral, and correct, no matter how heinous or cynical its actions. At this point, they aren't ready to imagine that the USA is ever anything but pure in its motives. You're arguing with true believers who are incapable of seeing anything that is unfamiliar or uncomfortable.

"USA ALL THE WAY!"
Right, guys?

* French for "a madness shared by two"), shared psychosis, or "the theatric of two" is a psychiatric syndrome in which symptoms of a delusional belief are transmitted from one individual to another

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

1KIKI

Sunday, June 21, 2015 10:52 PM

"Congratulations - your ignorance is impenetrable."

Thanks 'G'. I'll add this to my collection of your posts where you are incapable of addressing a simple point. This time you dodge it with ad hominem.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Sunday, June 21, 2015 11:52 PM

1KIKI

Monday, June 22, 2015 12:56 AM

I hope you realize THUGGR that I scroll past your posts just like I did with PN.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

THGRRI

Monday, June 22, 2015 3:55 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:

For the record: Signym thinks the US uncovering $150,000,000 in bribes and illegal activity by FIFA members and giving countries the incentive to cleanup their own corruption was a bad thing. Are you sure you're not pro big bank as well?

I have added my older post about if it should come out that Americans have been caught with their fingers in the cookie jar, because not once have G or I suggested America has clean hands when it comes to it's past dealings with FIFA. Sig and 1kiki imply that we are professing our innocence and that our motivation is based on malice and that Americas actions are as well.

So what am I posting about here. Corruption and should it be allowed to control the world cup. From what Sig and 1kiki post it is clear their for the corruption. I am not. People are dying by the thousands because of this corruption and it needs to be stopped. Trying to post distracting questions, disinformation and motivations about how and why the investigation has taken place is sad. To bad for Sig and 1kiki there are some here who know how to remain on course and not be distracted by bullshit.

Quote:

Funny G, I don't recall you or I suggesting American business or America's representatives when negotiating for the cup to be played here are not guilty of payoffs. That no one in America was corrupted by doing business with FIFA over the years. If it comes out some here are guilty as well so be it. I won't be crying in my Okroshka ( soup ).

THGRRI

Monday, June 22, 2015 11:50 PM

Quote:
What she fails to realize is that when she lies to us she (more importantly) lies to herself, which over time erodes her sense of right and wrong, even her sense of self. Lying, changing meaning, creating false conclusions, negative presumptions, denying, deflecting and making things up, all become acceptable for her.
I have no hope that she will ever honestly see our posts, but it's still fun to make her try.

There have been 1677 views to date for this thread. Many follow the discussions that take place on the RWT. I hope they see it is to honest posters I try to respond. I do not act on Sig and 1kikis’ posts for the reasons you suggest. I wish to entice those reading our posts who really have straightforward based on fact opinions to post. To realize they can ignore the crap and post to those who will give their opinions consideration and respond respectfully back. Unfortunately many who like to post are like Sig, 1kiki and yes Jack. It severs as a deterrent to the rest but they should not give way to crazy. They should just skip past it and enjoy the opportunity to speak to fellow BrownCoats.

Where's GEEZER, is he no longer interested?

1KIKI

Tuesday, June 23, 2015 1:41 AM

Already addressed many times

Nope. And not going to wait for you to stop lying.

Flush. There 'ya go ...

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

SIGNYM

Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:41 AM

Quote:
I wish to entice those reading our posts who really have straightforward based on fact opinions to post.

I think there's a missing word there.

"I wish to entice those reading our posts who really have straightforward ___________ based on fact opinions to post."

WHAT do they have "straightforward"?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

THGRRI

Friday, June 3, 2016 10:23 PM

Raid shows Sepp Blatter and two other ex-FIFA officials awarded themselves $80 million

"One day after Switzerland’s attorney general’s office raided FIFA headquarters in Zurich in its ongoing corruption investigation, FIFA lawyers on Friday revealed details of the contracts of former top officials for world soccer’s governing body. Former president Sepp Blatter, former secretary general Jerome Valcke and former finance director Markus Kattner gave themselves pay raises and World Cup bonuses totalling $80 million over five years, an apparent violation of Swiss law.

Evidence from the latest raid will be given to American and Swiss federal prosecutors."

What was Putin's position on the FIFA investigation again?

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 1:05 AM

Russian Federation given 'suspended disqualification' over crowd trouble

UEFA have threatened England and Russian Federation with disqualification from Euro 2016 if there is a repeat of the unrest.

Calling the punishment a "suspended disqualification", European soccer's governing body punished the Russian fans for causing crowd disturbances, using fireworks and racist behavior.

Tensions came to a head inside the Stade Velodrome after Saturday's 1-1 England-Russia draw.

However some Russian fans and officials have indicated they do not care what foreign bodies do or think.

"The punishment is excessive, but we can not influence it".

Racism is commonplace at Russian football matches. There is no sense to appeal. "It is not guilty", he said.

In southern France, a bus carrying 29 Russian fans was stopped near the city of Nice on Tuesday amid concerns over further hooligan violence.

http://thevillagessuntimes.com/2016/06/14/russian-federation-given-sus
pended-disqualification-over/

THGRRI

Wednesday, June 15, 2016 7:33 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by G:
As a big fan of this event I have been watching the matches and the news. The descriptions of violence in Marseilles don't do the events justice. YouTube is best to get a sense of the scope. It's pretty bad.
Basically, today's Russian Hooligans have decided to copy English hooligans from the 70's and 80's. Not surprising they had to reach that far back for inspiration. That was the bad days for hooligans in the UK. If you ever want to read a great book on the subject from one of my favorite authors, check out "Amongst the Thugs."
Without question Putin's world stage strut and immature, obvious attempts at projecting a manly aura have had a good deal of influence on these young men. They see his "machismo" and swagger and they try and emulate it. Papa Putin. The fact that he is very rarely if ever called out on his bluster (he does look like an idiot, another small hands guy trying to effect a larger image), and they take it as a green light to do the same.
I will give them credit in how they prepare though. No alcohol and plenty of physical training - they take their violence seriously.
But I think this time they have crossed some admittedly shadowy ethical lines. I believe it used to be that team thugs would seek each other out and male contests of bravery would be performed (beat downs). So thug on thug crime - zero sum imho, except for the damage to property (no small thing). But in the stadium at the England v. Russian match, it was clearly Russian thugs against regular mom and pop and son and daughter type fans, clearly only there to see the match, and not prepared for what amounted to Russian Commandos running at them. They crossed over many lines and clearly they felt empowered to do so.
So I applaud UEFA for at least issuing the threat of suspension. I think they actually have the stones to apply it if more violence ensues.
Oh, and World Cup in Russia 2018. Maybe.

Well put G. And with all the security issues the world has, this just adds to the confusion. But stupid is as stupid does.