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The Purges Have Begun

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 7:43 PM

SIGNYM

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And why izzit that it's always Republicans who're doing the purging?
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[n] "What most people don't know is that every year, elections officials strike millions of names from the voter rolls using processes that are secret, prone to error and vulnerable to manipulation," said Wendy Weiser, an elections expert with New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.

"That means that lots and lots of eligible voters could get knocked off the voter rolls without any notice and, in many cases, without any opportunity to correct it before Election Day."

Weiser acknowledged that "purging done well and with proper accountability" is necessary to remove people who have died or moved"But the problem is it's not necessary to do inaccurate purges that catch up thousands of eligible voters without any notice or any opportunity to fix it before Election Day and really without any public scrutiny at all," she said.

Such allegations have flared up across the United States during this election cycle, most notably in Ohio, where a recent lawsuit has already gone to the U.S. Supreme Court.

There, the state Republican Party sued Ohio's Democratic secretary of state in an effort to make her generate a list of people who had mismatched information. But Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said generating such a list would create numerous problems too close to the election and possibly disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.

The Supreme Court last week ruled against the GOP on appeal of a lower court order directing Brunner to prepare the list.

In Florida, election officials found that 75 percent of about 20,000 voter registration applications from a three-week period in September were mismatched due to typographical and administrative errors. Florida's Republican secretary of state ordered the computer match system implemented in early September.

In Wisconsin, Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen sued the state's election board after it voted against a proposal to implement a "no-match" policy. The board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22 percent match failure rate -- including for four of the six members of the board.

The Brennan Center has also documented cases across the country of possible illegal purging, impediments to college student voting and difficulties accessing voter registration.

A lawsuit has been filed over Georgia's mismatch system, and the state is also under fire for requesting Social Security records for verification checks on about 2 million voters -- more requests than any other state.

One of the lawyers involved in the lawsuit says Georgia is violating a federal law that prohibits widespread voter purges within 90 days of the election, arguing that the letters were sent out too close to the election date.

"They are systematically using these lists and matching them and using those matches to send these letters out to voters," said McDonald, director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project in Georgia.

"It's not, you know, an individualized notion of people maybe not being citizens or not being residents. They're using a systematic purging procedure that's expressly prohibited by federal laws."

Asked if he believed that eligible voters were purged in Georgia, McDonald said, "If people who are properly eligible, are getting improperly challenged and purged, the answer would be 'Yes,' " he said.

Elise Shore, regional counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said letters like those sent to Berry appear to violate two federal laws against voter purging within 90 days of the election.

"People are being targeted, and people are being told they are non-citizens, including both naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens," said Shore, another plaintiff in the Georgia lawsuit. "They're being told they're not eligible to vote, based on information in a database that hasn't been checked and approved by the Department of Justice, and that we know has flaws in it."

Georgia's Secretary of State Karen Handel, a Republican who began working on purging voter rolls since she was elected in 2006, said that won't happen. If there are errors, she said, there is still plenty of time to resolve the problems.


www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/26/voter.suppression/index.html
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Sunday, October 26, 2008 11:30 PM

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And why izzit that it's always Republicans who're doing the purging?


Might be because it's the Dems who insist in enrolling dead folks, illegals and felons to the eligible voter list ?

" Vote early, vote often ! " , as they say in Chicago ...



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Monday, October 27, 2008 3:49 AM

SIGNYM

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Millions of dead folks on the voter rolls?

right.



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Monday, October 27, 2008 4:39 AM

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Well Sigy,

Lets not forget Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, Peter Parker, Reed Richards, and all the others that the ACORN folks were able to make up...

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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
And why izzit that it's always Republicans who're doing the purging?
Quote:

[n] "What most people don't know is that every year, elections officials strike millions of names from the voter rolls using processes that are secret, prone to error and vulnerable to manipulation," said Wendy Weiser, an elections expert with New York University's Brennan Center for Justice.

"That means that lots and lots of eligible voters could get knocked off the voter rolls without any notice and, in many cases, without any opportunity to correct it before Election Day."

Weiser acknowledged that "purging done well and with proper accountability" is necessary to remove people who have died or moved"But the problem is it's not necessary to do inaccurate purges that catch up thousands of eligible voters without any notice or any opportunity to fix it before Election Day and really without any public scrutiny at all," she said.

Such allegations have flared up across the United States during this election cycle, most notably in Ohio, where a recent lawsuit has already gone to the U.S. Supreme Court.

There, the state Republican Party sued Ohio's Democratic secretary of state in an effort to make her generate a list of people who had mismatched information. But Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said generating such a list would create numerous problems too close to the election and possibly disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of voters.

The Supreme Court last week ruled against the GOP on appeal of a lower court order directing Brunner to prepare the list.

In Florida, election officials found that 75 percent of about 20,000 voter registration applications from a three-week period in September were mismatched due to typographical and administrative errors. Florida's Republican secretary of state ordered the computer match system implemented in early September.

In Wisconsin, Republican Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen sued the state's election board after it voted against a proposal to implement a "no-match" policy. The board conducted an audit of its voter rolls and found a 22 percent match failure rate -- including for four of the six members of the board.

The Brennan Center has also documented cases across the country of possible illegal purging, impediments to college student voting and difficulties accessing voter registration.

A lawsuit has been filed over Georgia's mismatch system, and the state is also under fire for requesting Social Security records for verification checks on about 2 million voters -- more requests than any other state.

One of the lawyers involved in the lawsuit says Georgia is violating a federal law that prohibits widespread voter purges within 90 days of the election, arguing that the letters were sent out too close to the election date.

"They are systematically using these lists and matching them and using those matches to send these letters out to voters," said McDonald, director of the ACLU Voting Rights Project in Georgia.

"It's not, you know, an individualized notion of people maybe not being citizens or not being residents. They're using a systematic purging procedure that's expressly prohibited by federal laws."

Asked if he believed that eligible voters were purged in Georgia, McDonald said, "If people who are properly eligible, are getting improperly challenged and purged, the answer would be 'Yes,' " he said.

Elise Shore, regional counsel for the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund, said letters like those sent to Berry appear to violate two federal laws against voter purging within 90 days of the election.

"People are being targeted, and people are being told they are non-citizens, including both naturalized citizens and U.S.-born citizens," said Shore, another plaintiff in the Georgia lawsuit. "They're being told they're not eligible to vote, based on information in a database that hasn't been checked and approved by the Department of Justice, and that we know has flaws in it."

Georgia's Secretary of State Karen Handel, a Republican who began working on purging voter rolls since she was elected in 2006, said that won't happen. If there are errors, she said, there is still plenty of time to resolve the problems.


www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/26/voter.suppression/index.html
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Because they are full of shit and have a God complex?



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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:11 AM

WULFENSTAR

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"Because they are full of shit and have a God complex?"

I thought that was Libs....



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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:27 AM

SIGNYM

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ACORN's registrations had less than 1% suspicious entries. The voter roll purges are talking about 25%!

I know you guys are desperate to make a point, but you're not doing a good job 'cause the figures just don't bear you out.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:31 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
"Because they are full of shit and have a God complex?"

I thought that was Libs....





You were incorrect.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:33 AM

WULFENSTAR

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No, No, Im SURE it was Libs.


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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:34 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION


Quote:

Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No, No, Im SURE it was Libs.




And yet, you are still incorrect.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 5:39 AM

WULFENSTAR

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No, Future, I dont think so.

I KNOW it was Libs who have a God complex.

They think they know whats best for everyone.

When they couldnt be more wrong.

(Not that Ithink Conservatives know best either)

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Monday, October 27, 2008 6:50 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by Wulfenstar:
No, No, Im SURE it was Libs.




Yeah, but you on the right were SURE Saddam was tied to 9/11, Iraq had "vast stockpiles" of WMD, the war would be over in a matter of hours, etc., etc.

In other words, your record of being full of shit is pretty clear. Even when you're SURE you're not full of shit, you're full of shit.

Mike

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Monday, October 27, 2008 6:54 AM

WULFENSTAR

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Just because I give shit to Libs, does not mean Im on the "Right" as you put it.

Dumb ass.

I give shit to Libs, because....SURPRISE SURPRISE they WHINE the most.

Besides, I live on the East Coast, so all day long I have to hear them bitch and moan. If I was in Middle America, I'd probably hear Conservatives puling more...


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Monday, October 27, 2008 11:11 AM

FREMDFIRMA


Quote:

I give shit to Libs, because....SURPRISE SURPRISE they WHINE the most.

Are you sure we're reading the same board, Wulfie ?
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If I was in Middle America, I'd probably hear Conservatives puling more...

Biggest whiners in the known universe, dude, leastways in the midwest over here.

-F

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Thursday, October 30, 2008 5:31 PM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Report: Voter purges in 6 states may violate law

Thu Oct 9, 1:07 AM ET

NEW YORK - Tens of thousands of eligible voters have been removed from rolls or blocked from registering in at least six swing states, and the voters' exclusion appears to violate federal law, according to a published report.

The New York Times based its findings on reviews of state records and Social Security data.

The Times said voters appear to have been purged by mistake and not because of any intentional violations by election officials or coordinated efforts by any party.

States have been trying to follow the Help America Vote Act of 2002 by removing the names of voters who should no longer be listed. But for every voter added to the rolls in the past two months in some states, election officials have removed two, a review of the records shows.

The newspaper said it identified apparent problems in Colorado, Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, Nevada and North Carolina. It says some states are improperly using Social Security data to verify new voters' registration applications, and others may have broken rules that govern removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election.

Democrats have been more aggressive at registering new voters this year, according to state election officials, so any closer screening of new applications may affect their party's supporters disproportionately, the Times said.

The result is that on Election Day, voters who have been removed from the rolls could show up and be challenged by political party officials or election workers.

The six states seem to have violated federal law in two ways. Some are removing voters from the rolls within 90 days of a federal election, which is not allowed except when voters die, notify the authorities that they have moved out of state, or have been declared unfit to vote.

And some of the states are improperly using Social Security data to verify registration applications for new voters, the newspaper reported.


"Just as voting machines were the major issue that came out of the 2000 presidential election and provisional ballots were the big issue from 2004, voter registration and these statewide lists will be the top concern this year," said Daniel P. Tokaji, a law professor at Ohio State University.


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Friday, October 31, 2008 12:01 AM

FREMDFIRMA


I sincerely doubt you're gonna get anyone prosecuted in Michigan...

Not with that useless bastard Cox who can't be bothered to do anything but political sabotage, or Terri Land, who like her predecessors, mysteriously won the office of secretary of state in the face of massive public sentiment against her and her party, by the same exact amount of votes that Candice Miller and the one before her did....

Funny set of coincidences, that, yes ?

-Frem

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Friday, October 31, 2008 1:22 AM

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The real Purges involve everyone who fails to:

1. Vote for Obama
2. Donate to Obama

The only way to win a "competitive govt job" or "competitive contract", or be promoted in a govt job, is to be on The List. I know, because my job included hiring and firing for US Census in TN based on The List of Demoratic Party loyalists. So I was ordered to fire the wife of a local mayor, who I had just hired, before I was told about The List. The Demoratic Party kingpin who told me who to fire just got their kid promoted to the TN Supreme Court.
www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.asp?b=18&t=35121

That's why Hussein Obama Soetoro has $700-million in bribes, er, "campaign contributions". $100-millions are "untraceable" without "The List", thanks to pre-paid credit cards for illegal donors. Whatever is "leftover campaign contributions" Obama Gang gets to keep as profit on their extortion racket.

This is why big donors contribute to both criminal parties, to be on both Lists.

Make no mistake, the Demorats and Republicons are 2 criminal organizations, like Gambinos and Genovese Mafia "families", both doing crimes of election fraud, even whacking each other's candidates, usually with permission after predeciding which candidates win which districts and get paid which contract frauds. That way there's more "leftover campaign contributions", especially when there's no opposition candidate in that district.

So vote for the Soviet Socialist Communist Party or the National Socialist Fascist Party.

Or vote 3rd Party, all of which are infiltrated and hijacked by the 2-Headed Party.


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Friday, October 31, 2008 3:32 AM

FREMDFIRMA


You ever played DOOM, PN ?

1. Shoot Imp.
2. Move to put a Pinky between you and Imp.
3. Imps fireball hits Pinky.
4. Pinky takes umbrage at that and starts kicking Imps ass.
5. Imp starts clawing up Pinky.

6. Player kills the damaged and weakened "winner" after watching the fight while laughing his ass off.

Same principle, applied politically.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Friday, October 31, 2008 6:56 AM

RUE

I have a vote and I'm not afraid to use it!


Georgia Republican tells supporters: "The other folks are voting"

As I discussed in an article Thursday, the African-American vote could prove crucial in down-ballot elections this year, especially in the South. Democrats have a chance to pick up quite a few seats in both the House and the Senate that could hinge on the black vote.

One of the Republicans who's most vulnerable to a surge in African-American turnout is Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss. The incumbent's lead in recent polls is only in the low single digits, generally within the margin of error. And early voting numbers from the state have contained some really bad news for Chambliss. As of this post, the number of people who've voted early there is equal to a stunning 47.4 percent of the total number of people who voted in 2004. Of those who've voted so far, 35.1 percent are African-American; in 2004, 25 percent of the overall electorate was African-American. Since this is the Democratic Party's most loyal demographic group, well, you can imagine the potential consequences for Chambliss.

As Politico's David Rogers reports (h/t Balloon Juice), Chambliss seems to be well aware of what's happening. Rogers writes: "The Republican is outwardly confident, but there’s urgency in his voice as he tours North Georgia, trying to boost turnout in his predominately white base: 'The other folks are voting,' he bluntly tells supporters."



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Friday, October 31, 2008 7:48 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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The real Purges involve everyone who fails to:

1. Vote for Obama
2. Donate to Obama



Awesome! I can quit my job working for a Republican businesswoman and go get a job working for "the Gub'mint"! Better pay, better benefits, better people... what's not to love?

Maybe they'll assign me to help let in the 345,000,000,000 illegals that PN swears are massed on our borders waiting to pour in the day after the election! Maybe I'll even get to fly a black helicopter!



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Friday, October 31, 2008 12:12 PM

FREMDFIRMA


Mikey, the funny thing is that there actually are LBH's in use for various stuff, not all of which is dastardly.

They're a variation off OH-6 Cayuse/MD500 design, and usually used in urban areas for training and compliance with regs concerning the amount of noise allowable over populated areas.

While of course, retaining their usefulness for other dirty sneaky rotten business, of course.

Ain't just the Gov neither, Blackwater has a couple of these things, as does at least one police dept that I know of, since I happen to be old buddies with some folk in the business of helicopter manufacturing, sales and licensing, and people talk, yanno...

Easiest way to put em out of condition is to sneak up on em while they're grounded and pop the main rotor attach nut locking key with a prybar or heavy screwdriver, cause they don't call that thing the Jesus Nut for nothin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_nut

Anyhow, from what I hear, the MD500 series is actually pretty fun and easy to fly, and the 530F in particular is relatively cheap to own and operate even for a civvie.

-Frem

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Saturday, November 1, 2008 1:12 AM

FREMDFIRMA


This just in

Redford Twp. Clerk: Election Calls Are Phony
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/17858537/detail.html?rss=det&psp=ne
ws


A lot of this crap going around, we got a letter saying ours was changed, which is almost without a doubt phony - but in OUR puny ass town, it's not worth the effort cause you can SPIT across it, much less see across it, and there's no way to actually hide them setting it up.

Funny about that, too - it's mostly an optical scan machine that's nattered over and nitpicked by a pair of old ladies, one from each party, who are pretty fanatical about maintaining it's accuracy and performance.

But we have ONE diebold electronic machine, which resides in a lonely corner that everyone avoids as if it were contagious (in fact, no one has EVER, even once, voted on it) and crashes about every 12-15 minutes requiring a reboot anyways.

We regard the thing as a general nuisance, a stern reminder that new is not necessarily better, while we all give the thing a distant hairy-eye, as if it would leap forth and contaminate us by it's mere presence.

It's actually funny to watch people go OUT OF THEIR WAY to avoid even coming near the thing, like it's toxic or something.

-Frem

It cannot be said enough, those who do not learn from history, are doomed to endlessly repeat it

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Saturday, November 1, 2008 2:24 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by rue:
Georgia Republican tells supporters: "The other folks are voting"

As I discussed in an article Thursday, the African-American vote could prove crucial in down-ballot elections this year, especially in the South. Democrats have a chance to pick up quite a few seats in both the House and the Senate that could hinge on the black vote.

One of the Republicans who's most vulnerable to a surge in African-American turnout is Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss. The incumbent's lead in recent polls is only in the low single digits, generally within the margin of error. And early voting numbers from the state have contained some really bad news for Chambliss. As of this post, the number of people who've voted early there is equal to a stunning 47.4 percent of the total number of people who voted in 2004. Of those who've voted so far, 35.1 percent are African-American; in 2004, 25 percent of the overall electorate was African-American. Since this is the Democratic Party's most loyal demographic group, well, you can imagine the potential consequences for Chambliss.

As Politico's David Rogers reports (h/t Balloon Juice), Chambliss seems to be well aware of what's happening. Rogers writes: "The Republican is outwardly confident, but there’s urgency in his voice as he tours North Georgia, trying to boost turnout in his predominately white base: 'The other folks are voting,' he bluntly tells supporters."



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Do'nt worry RUE, even if Chambliss does eek out a win, it looks like it's turning out to be a Repulican BLOOD BATH. Enjoy the 1 party dictatorship.

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Saturday, November 1, 2008 5:47 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
ACORN's registrations had less than 1% suspicious entries. The voter roll purges are talking about 25%!

I know you guys are desperate to make a point, but you're not doing a good job 'cause the figures just don't bear you out.

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10's of millions of voter purges ? Now that's just flat out silly . Goes right along w/ Naomi Wolf's bizzaro fears about Bush Blue-hand-men going through her mail and listening in on all her calls.

What next.... concentration camps for Katrina victims ?






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