new vid 'Those We Don't Speak Of' by Tzegha

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new vid 'Those We Don't Speak Of'

POSTED BY: TZEGHA
UPDATED: Wednesday, January 4, 2006 17:07
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Saturday, November 5, 2005 7:34 AM

The next installment in my Reaver Trilogy is complete!

"Those We Don't Speak Of" is a shortish companion piece to my first Reavervid and both can be found at http://www.dreamsofthespider.com/fanvids/Reaver%20Trilogy/

Right-click and save and enjoy!

Hotlinkers will be set upon by flying monkeys and rabid llamas. For those who don't know, hotlinking is playing the vids-- left-clicking -- directly from my site, which steals bandwidth, which costs me money and I only can afford so much of it, and when you max it out you crash my site, and then no one can watch anything at all. So please, press the *right* button! I don't mean to imply that any on this here board have hotlinked my vids, but I know that there are a lot of new fans coming in who may not know this netiquette and just want to take precautions.

Mercy ever so and send any feedback my way either here or at tzegha at browncoats dot com. Cuz we loves the feedback!

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Saturday, November 5, 2005 6:02 PM

VISITINGMYINTENTIONS

Very pretty.

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Early: Where'd she go?

Simon: I can't keep track of her when she's NOT incorporeally possessing a spaceship, don't look at me --

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Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:54 PM

ITSAWASH

I think anybody who can put together music and FF and come up with a new vid has got talent. But the pretty instrumental musical choice of this piece paired with mostly Reaver ships flying and Serenity crew looking scared wasn't my cup of tea.

Does NOT mean I know everything in the gorram 'verse, mind you. Just my opinion. Keep it up, though, make some more. And know this: When I see one that strikes a chord in me and gives me chills, I'll let you know, for true

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 12:16 PM

TZEGHA

I dig that you didn't care for or 'get' this vid. A little history on it's evolution:

this was the original end to "Reaver Vid" ( http://tinyurl.com/d7va6 ) (all my vids, including the rest of the Reaver Trilogy, can be found at http://www.dreamsofthespider.com/fanvids/), but the shift of creepy to hopeful emotion threw the focus of the vid (and I'm still not sure the new ending I created for Reaver Vid works either, I was once told that the vid should end very shortly after Wash calls out for Mal and Zoe (like, immediately :P) and I might finally be starting to agree), so I cut it, but loved the music so much that I saved it as another project.

Recently I went back to "Those We Don't Speak of", and tried to see if I could do something with it. What was it's purpose, what is it evoking? I chopped the more 'scary' scenes and made it more about the characters being set upon, and most definitely about them relating to each other and caring for each other.

In regards to your major qualm about the vid, I like the dichotomy of the beautiful music juxtaposed with the desperation of the situation. It was, in fact, quite on purpose.

In talking about the vid with my wonderful betas, what came out of the imagery left was Inara. Inara became the guiding force for the end of the vid, it became about all that she was leaving behind as the Reavers bear down on them all.

I'd originally had her saying "I don't want to die at all" near the end, but ended up taking it out. I couldn't quite find the dialogue to make the vid tie together. Possibly Inara's "You don't have to die alone", but I ended up hoping that the montage of one-on-one scenes of Inara with the others would convey that she wasn't so much afraid of dying as she was anguished over what she was losing/leaving behind.

It's a vid born out of the music and a leftover idea, revamped into something somewhat satisfying for me personally, and not so much a vid with a big point or a story or something more tangible or widely accessible. It's origins lend it to being not that popular a vid, so that's why I understand completely if you don't like it.

It didn't take me so long to make as say, Night Fight or "a tiny grief song", so I don't feel so bad ;)

P.S. I disagree that it's a given that people who can put together a vid have talent (of any degree). It's a given that they have video editing software and a computer and no qualms about piracy. So please don't give me such a backhanded compliment (or is it sugared-coated criticism?)-- I don't mean to sound snippy, it's just that I spent three days watching every vid that I could get my hands on for the Strawberries, and two-thirds of it was made by some very nice people with curiosity and good intent, but with little artistry or originality. I don't consider myself a spectacular vidder, I'm certainly not one of the best. I consider this hard work requiring a creative mind, so being lumped together so rubs me the wrong way. That's all, and thank you for your opinion!

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 12:54 PM

ZOESBACKUP

truly haunting, if I had not seen the series I would be left with the impression that they did not survive. I watched "Very Act of Being" as well and both have seamless integration of the voice and music. Your choice of music is wonderful! My only grumble is that I am left without a feeling of closure. Was this intentional? I suppose that I was looking for more of a story line than just an emotional series of vignettes. This isn't bad! Just new, which in retrospect is nice but unexpected. the sound and video quality were fantastic and you did a beautiful job of transitioning through each scene. They both leave you with a feeling of longing...as though you were really "longing" to see a swan (sorry couldn't help myself there :D)
I look forward to seeing more!

nice cover fire
Oh, and I also have a black belt in Smackdown Fu

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 4:12 PM

ITSAWASH

You may rest assured that I will never give you my opinion of anything you ever do here again. As far as sugar-coating goes, your reply was a great example of it, thanking me for my comments, saying that you can understand why I might see things that way in one breath, but then instructing me on how you would prefer something different, telling me what my opinion should be (yours), in terms that were rude and uncalled for.

I will not thank you for your reply, unlike you did to me, as I prefer to be honest.

Pic courtesy of KellyofLuthien

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 4:32 PM

DREAMSOFTHESPIDER

thanks for the feedback!

As for the lack of closure, like I said above, since it wasn't conceived as a vid in and of itself, I'm pretty sure that it is lacking somewhat. Also like I said, I couldn't just delete it entirely, so I worked with what music was left, and what it ended up as was maybe not so entirely satisfactory.

But maybe it's ending with lack of closure works, makes one wonder what really happens, do they survive?

All I know is that I love John Newton Howard!

And it's so weird that "Very Act of Being" is as liked as it is. That was my more existential vid, a lot less tangible. That was one that I was sure would bore people into turning it off twenty seconds in, but I am pleased and pleasantly surprised at the reaction it's gotten.

"Those We Don't Speak of" and "Interrogation" are vids, part of my Reaver Trilogy, that are more like vidlets, I suppose, and part of the greater whole, both stemming from "Reaver Vid", and are probably anomolies in the vidding world (not that I've seen all there is to see of vids, not even close!). Interrogation is more of a creepy advert for Firefly/Serenity, and "TWDSO" is more the obsessive need to express something, however incompletely.

Thanks again for the feedback!

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Wednesday, January 4, 2006 5:07 PM

DREAMSOFTHESPIDER

I doubt that I am sorry to be lacking in any future opinions from you. I don't know that for sure, since I don't know you, but *perhaps* saying otherwise would only aggravate you further.

But I was sincere in thanking you for your opinion.

As much as I may resent *anyone's* negative opinion (to whatever degree), I also know that it is valid and can only make me better: either by making me re-evaluate creative decisions and realizing that I was wrong, or by making me more sure of the choices that I made creatively. I have gotten much feedback over the past several years that has deflated me or made me downright angry, but I've also come to learn that it is valuable, and sometimes even come around to realizing that I was wrong and that the feedback was correct, so even if I don't like it, I try not to discount out of hand.

--It's always hard, at least for me, and I imagine for anyone, to not react badly to less than glowing reviews. I am also highly distrusting of feedback that reads "that was awesome! There's nothing bad I can say about that!", because I know I'm not flawless. Feedback from nice friendly people usually omits what they really think, since they just want to be supportive and nice--

I *do* understand why you see my vid as you do.

I was also trying to explain *why* the vid may have fell short in your eyes. I was admitting it's flaws, expressing my own disatisfaction with it.

I was understanding that I perhaps had failed to convey clearly an already vague intent for the vid. I saw that you had missed the point of the vid. Is that my failing? Is that yours? I don't know.

Where I *might* have been rude was in my post-script to you. Honestly, my creative and artistic nature was offended. That wasn't your intent? I apologize for taking it so. Am I a little arrogant and opinionated when it comes to 'talent'? Yes, to say less would not be honest, even if it might be ugly. Did I find being lumped together with every other vidder in terms of talent insulting? Yes, even if you didn't mean it like that. We all bring our personalities into interpreting other peoples words, especially in the hard-to-decipher world of the nether. How I read

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I think anybody who can put together music and FF and come up with a new vid has got talent. But the pretty instrumental musical choice of this piece paired with mostly Reaver ships flying and Serenity crew looking scared wasn't my cup of tea.

funneled through my experience, was "Anyone who puts out a vid is talented, and this kinda blew".

Not what you meant? Again, I apologize if so, but that's how it reads to me. I can't help reacting like that.

You found my response insincere? I was trying to not overreact like I know I sometimes do to less than glowing feedback, and be objective, or at least somewhat level-headed.

I'm terrible at this, and the last thing I want to do is add fuel to a fire that I don't think should be burning in the first place. I don't know you, and you don't know me, and I hope that we're just terribly misunderstanding each other due to that.

In summary, my beef was with the 'talent' comment, and not your opinion of the vid.

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