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Originally posted by kpo:
http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8336219/iran-nuclear-deal-plain-english

Critics are out knocking it, as they were always going to, but it looks like a reasonable deal from what I've read. And it's hard to overstate how much better this deal is than war with Iran.

One of Pres Obama's most significant achievements to date (and there have been many)

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
It's nice having a smart president after that last nightmare idiot.

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Originally posted by JO753:
I saw the last haf owr uv the press conferens.

Obama did a great job uv explaining it. I almost felt bad for Major Garrett wen Obama stepped on him like the bug he iz.

Can you really blame Major? He iz living in the hart uv the Fox eko chamber, so it woud be next to impossible for him to realize wut an idiotic 'question' (propaganda statement, really) he wuz asking The Prezident uv The United States on national television.

If he wuz a real reporter working for a real newz organization, that woud hav been the end uv hiz career. Fox will probably giv him a bonus.

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Prior to joining the National Journal he was the senior White House correspondent for the Fox News Channel.

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David Rhodes began his career in television journalism with Fox News, where he joined as a Production Assistant before the channel launched in October 1996. He eventually became Vice President, News.

In 2008, Rhodes moved to Bloomberg L.P. as Head of U.S. Television.[3] Bloomberg's cable channel underwent a major re-design in 2009.

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Originally posted by JO753:
I saw the last haf owr uv the press conferens.

Obama did a great job uv explaining it. I almost felt bad for Major Garrett wen Obama stepped on him like the bug he iz.

Can you really blame Major? He iz living in the hart uv the Fox eko chamber, so it woud be next to impossible for him to realize wut an idiotic 'question' (propaganda statement, really) he wuz asking The Prezident uv The United States on national television.

If he wuz a real reporter working for a real newz organization, that woud hav been the end uv hiz career. Fox will probably giv him a bonus.

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Originally posted by JO753:
I'm shocked!SHOCKED!

Then agen, from Wikipedia:

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Prior to joining the National Journal he was the senior White House correspondent for the Fox News Channel.

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The only explanation that makes sens iz that he wants to go back to Fox.

Not that I know anything about the CBS newz organization. I cant get the channel here. Are they rite wing or possibly trying to be in order to cash in on the abundant idiots?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Did you see Williams at the Peace Table with Swiftboat Ketchup?

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Originally posted by kpo:
http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8336219/iran-nuclear-deal-plain-english

Critics are out knocking it, as they were always going to, but it looks like a reasonable deal from what I've read. And it's hard to overstate how much better this deal is than war with Iran.

One of Pres Obama's most significant achievements to date (and there have been many)

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:Did you see Williams at the Peace Table with Swiftboat Ketchup?

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I know thats your attempted insult-name for sumbudy, but you went too far. Who iz Swiftboat Ketchup?

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Originally posted by kpo:
http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8336219/iran-nuclear-deal-plain-english

Critics are out knocking it, as they were always going to, but it looks like a reasonable deal from what I've read. And it's hard to overstate how much better this deal is than war with Iran.

One of Pres Obama's most significant achievements to date (and there have been many)

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Good choice. You actually make sense here, but for those who still harbor doubts look at it this way:

And now we have a good deal.

Iran can't make a bomb or the sanctions will be immediately imposed. The whole 24 days to inspection that everyone, including Fox's Nuclear scientist Bill O'Reilly, is complaining about. Well, it's utter BULLSHIT! You can't turn off uranium like a lightbulb,


SGG

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Originally posted by kpo:
http://www.vox.com/2015/4/2/8336219/iran-nuclear-deal-plain-english

Critics are out knocking it, as they were always going to, but it looks like a reasonable deal from what I've read. And it's hard to overstate how much better this deal is than war with Iran.

One of Pres Obama's most significant achievements to date (and there have been many)

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Good choice. You actually make sense here, but for those who still harbor doubts look at it this way:

And now we have a good deal.

Iran can't make a bomb or the sanctions will be immediately imposed. The whole 24 days to inspection that everyone, including Fox's Nuclear scientist Bill O'Reilly, is complaining about. Well, it's utter BULLSHIT! You can't turn off uranium like a lightbulb,


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So in your expert opinion, IF Iran agrees to allow the requested inspection within 24 days, nobody in the world can make any evidence of production go away - it will be there forever, or more than 3 months, or more than 24 days.
In your expert opinion, how many days is needed for evidence of violations to be cleaned up? Or do you claim never?
In your expert opinion, if the production facility is moved out of the targeted inspection site, how many days or hours is needed to accomplish this? Or do you claim never?

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Secretary of State Swiftboat Ketchup.

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Their campaign against Kerry's presidential bid received widespread publicity,[1] but was later discredited and gave rise to the neologism "swiftboating", to describe an unfair or untrue political attack.[2][3] Defenders of John Kerry's service record, including nearly all of his former crewmates, have stated that SBVT's allegations are false

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Secretary of State Swiftboat Ketchup.

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Sooo...John Kerry?

I didnt pay much attention to politics back then. Bunch uv rich guyz fiting over who gets to steal my money befor I ever see it.

But, apparently you havent been paying any attention either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry_military_service_controversy

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Their campaign against Kerry's presidential bid received widespread publicity,[1] but was later discredited and gave rise to the neologism "swiftboating", to describe an unfair or untrue political attack.[2][3] Defenders of John Kerry's service record, including nearly all of his former crewmates, have stated that SBVT's allegations are false

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So in your expert opinion, IF Iran agrees to allow the requested inspection within 24 days, nobody in the world can make any evidence of production go away - it will be there forever, or more than 3 months, or more than 24 days.
In your expert opinion, how many days is needed for evidence of violations to be cleaned up? Or do you claim never?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I think the more interesting question is ... why now??

It's not because Obama is such a peace-loving President. He's been in charge of all of the anti-Russian events (Ukraine coup, sanctions, NATO drills, economic warfare) and anti-Chinese (flyovers, disputes over constructed islands, TPP membership, anti-AIIB drive) events, and was in charge during the destruction of Libya, the attempted (and ongoing) destruction of Syria, and other attempted "color revolution" and "Arab Spring" events.

Those aren't the actions of a peace-loving President.

Nope, sorry.

He may be "smart" but he's just as "bought and paid for" as any Republican President.

I think this speaks to a rupture with Saudi Arabia, which supports Al Qaida and its various offshoots, and which tacitly supports ISIS. (After all, look at who Saudi Arabia is supporting in Yemen.)

Israel, too, has a tacit agreement with Saudi Arabia, and thus with Al Qaida (which has not once attacked Israel. You should wonder about that.)

Hubby has been saying for quite a while now that the acts of the USA are those of a desperate nation: pushing all the buttons and pulling all the levers that it can to maintain its hegemony.

I didn't agree with him before, but now that I see the USA clinging to the nations that it was previously on the "outs" with (Cuba, Iran) I'm beginning to think that maybe the admin is seeking protection from a coming storm. What will be next: North Korea?

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So in your expert opinion, IF Iran agrees to allow the requested inspection within 24 days, nobody in the world can make any evidence of production go away - it will be there forever, or more than 3 months, or more than 24 days.
In your expert opinion, how many days is needed for evidence of violations to be cleaned up? Or do you claim never?

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Hoo boy! Here comes RAPPY II, with the paranoid delusions of secret WMD programs!

No, you CAN'T "clean up" a former site where radioactive materials were processed. At least, not in 24 days. Do you want to know why?

Because radioactive material "declares itself", even in minute concentrations, thanks to the fact that it emits ... radiation. You don't even need a Geiger counter. All you have to do is put a sample of dirt on photographic film, and it'll take its own picture. That's how sub-micron (1/10 the diameter of human hair/ invisible to the naked eye) radioactive aerosols from Fukushima were detected thousands of miles away.

But if you want to get fancy, you can analyze for specific compounds, like cesium. In fact, the USGS measured Fukushima radioactive daughter products in the USA, even though they were in really low quantities (not readily distinguishable by Geiger counter above "background" radiation)
https://bqs.usgs.gov/fukushima/

The technology is there to make those measurements. That's ONE thing you don't have to worry about! The fact that "reporters" make such a deal about it, when they can (and SHOULD) educate themselves about the realities by consulting nuclear monitoring experts tells me that they're only interested in spreading toxic lies.

Heck, if it were possible to clean up sites so thoroughly and so quickly, Chernobyl, Hanford and Fukushima would be sparkling clean by now! (They've had YEARS to work on the problem.)

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Originally posted by JO753:
I'm shocked!SHOCKED!

Then agen, from Wikipedia:

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Prior to joining the National Journal he was the senior White House correspondent for the Fox News Channel.

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The only explanation that makes sens iz that he wants to go back to Fox.

Not that I know anything about the CBS newz organization. I cant get the channel here. Are they rite wing or possibly trying to be in order to cash in on the abundant idiots?

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CBS has not had a News organization in decades. They have many entertainment programs (aka CBS Entertainment Division) that feature actors playing teleprompter readers like Brian Williams and Dan Blather, known around the world for their libtard lies.

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Williams was NBC.

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Originally posted by G:
This could be the best deal ever and then someone, say, a Retarblican (my tip o' the hat to JSF) or Israel, could come along and schwack it.

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Originally posted by JO753:
Can you really blame Major? He iz living in the hart uv the Fox eko chamber, so it woud be next to impossible for him to realize wut an idiotic 'question'

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Echo Chamber.
I have seen you use this term, and had assumed you understood it's actual meaning. But your consistent expelling of drivel of Libtard bias indicated that you really had no clue what it's meaning was, what it produces, how it works. I had given you the benefit of the doubt, but in that I was wrong.


Absent the actual definition, you seem to have reverted the the bebop, hip-hop version of definitions, via some drastically biased source.
You seem to think an Echo Chamber is like the MainStreamMedia phenomenon where they make a fake story or quote, and then all others attribute their false "facts" to this knowingly fake origin, and then they all runaway on tangents of the fake origin, trying desperately to prove their surreal and false delusions with these fake "facts". And then you mistakenly applied these delusional properties to the right side of the spectrum.

Had you understood the real, true, original meaning of Echo Chamber, your attribution to the Right would have been accurate. Alas, you failed.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Echo Chamber.
I have seen you use this term, and had assumed you understood it's actual meaning. But your consistent expelling of drivel of Libtard bias indicated that you really had no clue what it's meaning was, what it produces, how it works. I had given you the benefit of the doubt, but in that I was wrong.


Absent the actual definition, you seem to have reverted the the bebop, hip-hop version of definitions, via some drastically biased source.
You seem to think an Echo Chamber is like the MainStreamMedia phenomenon where they make a fake story or quote, and then all others attribute their false "facts" to this knowingly fake origin, and then they all runaway on tangents of the fake origin, trying desperately to prove their surreal and false delusions with these fake "facts". And then you mistakenly applied these delusional properties to the right side of the spectrum.

Had you understood the real, true, original meaning of Echo Chamber, your attribution to the Right would have been accurate. Alas, you failed.

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Then wy do I spell it 'eko'?

If I wuz the wun in an eko chamber, I shoud be going along with everything.

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You hav been proven rong so many timez, shown that you wer lied to by your trusted rite wing soursez, yet there you are, still soaking up their propaganda like a good little sheepl.

You even go out uv your way to post the idiotic spelling "echo chamber"!

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So in your expert opinion, IF Iran agrees to allow the requested inspection within 24 days, nobody in the world can make any evidence of production go away - it will be there forever, or more than 3 months, or more than 24 days.
In your expert opinion, how many days is needed for evidence of violations to be cleaned up? Or do you claim never?

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Hoo boy! Here comes RAPPY II, with the paranoid delusions of secret WMD programs!

No, you CAN'T "clean up" a former site where radioactive materials were processed. At least, not in 24 days. Do you want to know why?

Because radioactive material "declares itself", even in minute concentrations, thanks to the fact that it emits ... radiation. You don't even need a Geiger counter. All you have to do is put a sample of dirt on photographic film, and it'll take its own picture. That's how sub-micron (1/10 the diameter of human hair/ invisible to the naked eye) radioactive aerosols from Fukushima were detected thousands of miles away.

But if you want to get fancy, you can analyze for specific compounds, like cesium. In fact, the USGS measured Fukushima radioactive daughter products in the USA, even though they were in really low quantities (not readily distinguishable by Geiger counter above "background" radiation)
https://bqs.usgs.gov/fukushima/

The technology is there to make those measurements. That's ONE thing you don't have to worry about! The fact that "reporters" make such a deal about it, when they can (and SHOULD) educate themselves about the realities by consulting nuclear monitoring experts tells me that they're only interested in spreading toxic lies.

Heck, if it were possible to clean up sites so thoroughly and so quickly, Chernobyl, Hanford and Fukushima would be sparkling clean by now! (They've had YEARS to work on the problem.)

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Those 3 sites were never built to be portable sites. And they were not given an attempt to be cleaned up. Only "made safe" in terms of radiation.

I listened to that Moniz guy (on FNC's interview with Chris Wallace), who has been co-opted by Bobo when he became Secretary, and when he was repeatedly interrupted and corrected (and told he was wrong) by Swiftboat Ketchup.
He was not so certain as you that detectable evidence could not be removed, and he did not state that it could certainly be detected. He did state that it is possible that evidence might be detected. His previous statement that inspections needed to be available and accessible was played and he walked that back, pointing out that was before he was part of the Bobo Administration.

But it sounds like you are a much more credible expert that that Moniz guy.

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it's looking like it's been a great deal for the world. This is being cited by the experts as a great deal.

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The U.S.-Saudi relationship has suffered strain because of what Riyadh sees as Obama's withdrawal from the region, a lack of direct U.S. action against President Bashar al-Assad in Syria, and a perceived U.S. tilt towards Iran since the 2011 Arab uprisings.

But the countries share many strategic objectives [oil, the dollar] and depend on each other on a number of core security, economic, and political issues. [oil, the dollar]

Speaking after the meeting between Obama and Salman, Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir said Obama had assured the Saudi king that the agreement prevents Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon, includes inspections of military and suspected sites, and has a provision for the snapback of sanctions if Iran violates the agreement.

Under those conditions, al-Jubeir said, Saudi Arabia supported the deal.

"Now we have one less problem for the time being to deal with, with regards to Iran," al-Jubeir said. "We can now focus more intensely on the nefarious activities that Iran is engaged in the region."

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Salman skipped a Gulf Arab summit at Camp David in May, a move widely seen as a diplomatic snub over Obama's Iran strategy, though both governments denied that interpretation.

Critics say the nuclear deal will empower Iran economically to increase its support of militant groups in the region.

Saudi Arabia and Iran are opposed on a number of regional issues, especially the 4 1/2-year-long Syrian civil war and unrest in Yemen, where a coalition of Arab states led by Riyadh, assisted by the United States, are targeting Iran-allied Houthi forces.

Obama said on Friday that he and Salman share concerns about Yemen and the need to restore a functioning government and address the humanitarian situation there.

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U.S. Deputy National Security Advisor Ben Rhodes said ahead of Salman's visit that the United States believed more care needs to be taken to avoid civilian casualties in the air strikes against Houthi forces in Yemen.

Al-Jubeir said on Friday that the humanitarian crisis in Yemen was being exacerbated by the Houthis and that supplies were at risk of being diverted from Yemenis who need them most

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A Saudi-led coalition has been conducting air strikes across Yemen against Iranian-allied Houthi forces since March, pushing back Houthi forces but drawing criticism from international aid and rights groups for a mounting civilian death toll.

Saudi Defense Minister Mohammed bin Salman also met on Friday with U.S. Secretary of Defense Ash Carter and the two discussed Saudi Arabia's underlying defense requirements, the Pentagon said.

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The Obama administration is focused on providing the assistance that the president promised at the Camp David summit, including helping Gulf states integrate ballistic missile defense systems

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and beef up cyber and maritime security.

Saudi Arabia remains the world's largest oil exporter, and its commitment to pumping oil freely despite a recent price decline has helped contribute to sustaining the U.S. economic recovery.

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Obama and Salman will discuss the world economy and energy issues, Obama told reporters on Friday.

Saudi Arabia has also joined the United States and other Arab states in air strikes against the Islamic State jihadist movement in Syria, also called ISIS.

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"We continue to cooperate extremely closely in countering [other] terrorist activities [aside from ours] in the region and around the world, including the battle against ISIS," Obama said on Friday.

Obama and Salman discussed the potential fast-tracking of the release of American military technology and weapons systems to Saudi Arabia, al-Jubeir said, and discussed a "new strategic partnership" between the two countries, although he gave few details.

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The Gulf state is in advanced discussions with the U.S. government about buying two frigates based on a coastal warship that Lockheed Martin Corp is building for the U.S. Navy, a deal valued at well over $1 billion.

The sale would be the cornerstone of a long-delayed multibillion-dollar modernization of the Royal Saudi Navy's Gulf-patrolling eastern fleet of aging U.S. warships and would include smaller patrol boats.

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