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Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:44 PM

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Thursday, October 15, 2015 10:56 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:


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Thought you may appreciate a picture of your fearless leader.


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Friday, October 16, 2015 12:29 PM

SIGNYM

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Remember, this is ZEROHEDGE. I have not seen this is any of the large Russian websites (yet) but Reuters is quoted. So, about ZEROHEDGE: When they're right, they're spectacularly right. But they're right only half the time ....

Russia, Iran Begin "Promised" Assault On Syria's Largest City In Final Bid To Restore Assad

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Earlier this week, we noted that Iran had reportedly sent “thousands” of troops to Syria in preparation for an offensive aimed at retaking the city of Aleppo.

With a population of more than 2 million, Aleppo was Syria’s largest city prior to the war and it’s now run by a hodgepodge of rebels and militants including al-Qaeda, the Free Syrian Army, and ISIS.

To get an idea of the effect the war has had on the city, have a look at the following before and after nighttime light emissions images:



The battle is also notable for the scale of Iran’s involvement. Between Hezbollah and Iranian forces, the battle for Aleppo is shaping up to be the largest ground operation orchestrated by Tehran to date.

Here’s more, via Reuters:

Syrian troops backed by Hezbollah and Iranian fighters launched an offensive south of Aleppo on Friday, expanding their counter-attack against rebels across western Syria with support from Russian air strikes.

Aleppo, a commercial and industrial hub near the border with Turkey, was Syria's largest city before its four-year civil war, which grew out of protests against Assad's rule. Control of the city, still home to two million people, is divided between the government and rebels.

"This is the promised battle," a senior government military source said of the offensive backed by hundreds of Hezbollah and Iranian forces which he said had made some gains on the ground.

It was the first time Iranian fighters had taken part on such a scale in the Syrian conflict, he said, although their numbers were modest compared to the army force. "The main core is the Syrian army," the source said.

Hezbollah, which has supported Assad in several battles during the civil war, said the army was carrying out a "broad military operation" with support from Russian and Syrian jets. It made no mention of Hezbollah fighters in its brief statement.

Two senior regional sources told Reuters this week that Iran has sent thousands of troops to Syria to bolster an offensive underway in Hama province and ahead of the Aleppo attack.


And a bit more from AFP:

Russian air cover is backing offensives by Syria's army and allied militias in the central provinces of Homs and Hama, as well as Aleppo in the north and Latakia along the coast. On Friday, the Syrian army pushed south from the provincial capital Aleppo city, where control is divided between regime and rebels forces, as Russian air strikes pounded the villages of Al-Hader and Khan Tuman and nearby localities.

"The Syrian army started a new front on Friday and advanced to take control of the villages of Abteen and Kaddar" about 15 kilometres (12 miles) south of Aleppo city, said Observatory head Rami Abdel Rahman.

He said "dozens" of Russian aerial attacks in the past 24 hours* had struck the area, which is controlled by a patchwork of groups including rebels, Islamist fighters and Al-Qaeda's Syria affiliate, Al-Nusra Front.


Note also that Aleppo is near the so-called "anti-ISIS" zone that the US and Turkey humorously proposed to create a few months back, which means that Iran, supported by Russian air power, is now conducting an all-out ground assault very near territory Turkey likes to think it effectively patrols (if not controls).

But the real key here, is this (again from Reuters): "The assault means the army is now pressing insurgents on several fronts near Syria's main cities in the west, control of which would secure President Bashar al-Assad's hold on power even if the east of the country is still held by Islamic State."



In other words, if Iran and Russia manage to retake Aleppo (and you know they will because remember, thanks to Hezbollah, this isn't a team that's going to be confused by the vagaries of urban warfare), Assad's rule is restored.

Just like that.


MORE AT
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-16/russia-iran-begin-promised-as
sault-syrias-largest-city-final-bid-restore-assad


* I want to point out that this article makes a sideways reference to Russian airstrikes. So speaking of strikes ... the news of the airstrikes seems to have been striken from the front pages of western sites. There are various reasons why this might be so, but my guess is that TPTB don't want to inflame the neocons into agitating for what would be a military disaster for USA/NATO and possibly even escalate to WWIII. The only site consistently reporting is RT, but if you add up the airstrikes ... usually in the range of 20-35 per day... it's a lot.

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Here is another, rebel-POV website, which discusses the current military situation.

http://syriadirect.org/news/jabha-shamiya-commander-blames-%E2%80%98co
mplete-lack-of-coordination%E2%80%99for-aleppo-losses
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However, their discussion leaves me confused. They repeatedly talk about a rebel salient which was squeezed between "regime" forces coming up from the south (towards northeast Aleppo) and an opportunistic attack BY ISIS within hours, coming from the north. In support of this discussion, they present these two maps which show a "before" and "after"



but when I look at the changing line of contact, the "regime" seems to be advancing only into ISIS territory, not into "rebel" territory. I dunno- the "rebel" explanation sounds like so much whining to me. But if anyone sees anything different, please point it out!


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Saturday, October 17, 2015 9:30 AM

SIGNYM

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It looks like Erdogan is being hoist in his own petard.

Turkey Rages Against US and Russian Support of Kurds in Syria

While rivals in every other respect, both Moscow and Washington supporting the local branch of the PKK in Syria (The Independent)
Patrick Cockburn


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Turkey has summoned separately the American and Russian ambassadors in Ankara to complain about their countries acting in support of the military forces of the Syrian Kurds who are fighting Isis.

The Turkish government’s alarm underlines its problem in fighting a guerrilla war against the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in Turkey at a time when the US and Russia, while rivals in every other respect, are both supporting the local branch of the PKK in Syria.


For context, Erdogan has been supporting ISIS in his bid to take over Syria, and recently (and unilaterally) broke a peace deal with the PKK by bombing them. What goes around comes around ... and pretty briskly, too, if you're a smaller nation mixing it up with the big boys.

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The US military says that its planes have dropped ammunition to the Syrian Kurdish militia or People’s Protection Units (YPG)
NOT al Nusra??? Well, that's progress!

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while Kurdish officials say they have received 120 tons of weapons and ammunition. Amina Ossi, a deputy foreign minister in the Democratic Union Party (PYD) enclave in Syria, told The Independent last month that the Syrian Kurdish armed forces “number roughly 50,000 and we have lost 3,000 martyrs”. The YPG is widely recognised as the most effective opponent of Isis which has won a series of victories against it with the support of US air strikes.


The Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu said that arms supplied to the Syrian Kurds could fall into the hands of the PKK and be used against Turkey. He added that “Turkey cannot accept any kind of co-operation with terror organisations that have declared war against Turkey”.

But they're OK using terrorists like ISIS on behalf of Turkey's regional ambitions!

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Half of Turkey’s 550-mile border with Syria is now held by the YPG which is threatening to launch an offensive to seize Isis’s last border crossing with Turkey at Jarabulus and advance eastwards to link up with the Kurdish enclave at Afrin. Support for the Syrian Kurds from both the US and Russia makes it increasingly difficult for the Turkish army to stop the expansion of the Kurdish-held zone.

The confrontation between Kurds and Turkey has deepened dramatically since the constitutional pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP) won 13 per cent in the Turkish general election on 7 June, depriving President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Justice and Development party (AK) of its majority for the first time since 2002.

In July the Turkish army resumed military operations against the PKK in Turkey

Unilaterally breaking a peace deal 30 years in the making ...
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and Iraq.
Turkey bombed/invaded Iraq???

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Since then Turkish-Kurdish relations have deteriorated rapidly, culminating in the suicide bomb attack on a peace protest in Ankara on 10 October that killed almost 100 people and wounded 500.
This makes it sound as if the PPK bombed itself, Very bad reporting.

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The Ankara attack is further polarising relations between Turks and Kurds with anti-Kurdish crowds at football matches jeering and shouting abuse during a one minute’s silence for the dead. The public prosecutor in Ankara has declared a gag order prohibiting reporting of the bombing
Freedom of the press goes out the window when elections are coming up! It wouldn't do to have the national leader look ineffective!

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the worst terrorist attack in Turkey’s history. This will only be lifted when those responsible for the bombing have been detained. The bombers almost certainly come from Isis, but government officials have hinted that the PKK may be responsible though without producing any evidence.

Regardless of the outcome of the election on 1 November, the struggle between the Turkish government and Kurds in Turkey and elsewhere is the region is likely to escalate. The PKK for the first time holds power in a quasi-state in north-east Syria which has US military backing and increasingly warm relations with Russia. It claims to be allied to moderate Arab opposition to President Bashar al-Assad, but this scarcely exists.

I just heard, but haven't confirmed, that the Kurds have switched allegiance towards Assad ...

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With Russia, Iran and the US increasingly embroiled in the Syrian crisis, Turkey’s influence in Syria is diminishing as other powers play a greater role. A crucial test for Ankara will come if the PYD launches an offensive with US and Russian air support to cut the roads between Aleppo and the Turkish border.


I have no sympathy for Turkey or its refugee crisis, which it helped create. Been reading for YEARS that terrorist weapons from Saudi Arabia and Qatar are being shipped thru Turkey to Libya and Syria. Also, that Turkey is THE major buyer/ launderer of ISIS oil. Serves 'em right.

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Tuesday, October 20, 2015 10:00 AM

SIGNYM

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Interesting analysis, with some even more interesting (if true) fact buried in it

Syria and the Middle East SITREP October 18th, 2015 by John Rambo

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It’s been a mediocre week in Syria. Syrian forces have committed to a relentless offensive and have stepped up their assaults with fresh operations in Homs and Aleppo. Operations are being committed against both the Islamic State and the so called rebels supported by the West.

Gains have been modest, while territory is being recaptured by the Syrian Arab Army (supported by the Russian air force) the offensives, in the words of Russian advisers, have been less than spectacular. The speed of the offensives has been gruelingly slow due to the entrenched resistance seen in places like Aleppo and Hama.

Some of these areas have been in rebel hands for so long they have been reinforced into micro-garrisons. Tunnels are not only used to help shelter fighters during air raids and to move men from one part of the town to another in rapid defense but also to smuggle in supplies from outside the city during government sieges and encirclement.

Needless to say the fighting has been tough, but the SAA, with the aid of the Russian air campaign and Iranian/Hezbollah support, have brought in some hard earned victories.

However there is a lack of a single decisive victory, the big win if you will, for the Syrian Arab Army. Although morale has significantly picked up since the entry of the Russian air force into the fight there is also signs that the Syrian people have become accustomed to war, or ‘crisis’ as the government calls it.

Syria has been a nation at war for quite some time (4.5+ years). Despite this and the fact major parts of the country are destroyed, other parts of the nation have long returned to a level of normalcy. Of course there will always be the security issue as long as the crisis is ongoing. Law abiding citizens turning of age will have to commit to their draft and most likely be deployed in areas of combat against rebels or the Islamic State. Some boys have already been discharged. There is the odd day or two where one or two streets will be shut down due to terrorists but eventually normalcy returns. Life goes on.

Of course that’s not to say large parts of the country haven’t been reduced to rubble. Or that there isn’t an internal refugee crisis. But where the government rules there seems to be a level of order.

The government has had a long-standing program since the onset of the crisis to maintain a series of government grocery shops and bakeries to alleviate demands on the private sector. The government continues to subsidize food and electricity. Roads are fixed and maintained. Syrian TV dramas have continued to film and air over the four years with minor interruptions. Although some parts of Syria are destroyed, major segments still seem to be functioning fine. [Source]

And just like Syrian society so too has the Syrian military accepted the new security situation. Like all conflicts in the Middle East, long protracted wars are the norm. From Lebanon to Iraq to Palestine and back again. The Syrian Arab Army has seen so many causalities and has fought hundreds of thousands of foreign jihadists over the years that to achieve peace now would be as tedious as continuing the war in its current state.

No one has ever put it better than in Shakespeare’s Macbeth:
“I am in blood stepp’d in so far that should I wade no more, Returning were as tedious as go o’er,”

And that is what many Syrian regulars are feeling today; fighting a war that doesn’t seem to have an end. Despite the heavy propaganda of the ever-so-happy Syrian soldier, who apparently does not feel combat-fatigue fighting a war for almost half a decade, there is a general acceptance of the facts on the ground.

One of these facts it that to root out these Islamists from Syria once and for all is going to take a lot more effort than initially anticipated. The fact Assad had twice offered an amnesty to all draft-dodgers, deserters, and defectors highlights the complicated nature of maintaining dedicated manpower through his regular forces. [Source]

It’s definitely going to take more than the 30 planes and the thousands of troops coming in from Hezbollah and Iran. Something bigger must be brewing to bring the decisive victory needed to shake off the nation’s lackadaisical acceptance of the crisis and shake out the foreign invaders that are destroying the country.

The Russians have been continuously providing fire-support to Syrian troops on the ground. On top of the consistent on-call air support to the SAA, the Russian air force they have also taken the initiative in continuously harassing opposition forces. The opposition has had no respite from combat since the Russians have entered the conflict. When the SAA ground offensives stop, the Russian attack runs pick up the pressure and keep the enemy occupied and suppressed.

It’s starting to appear, albeit unclearly, that Russia’s involvement isn’t part of some larger geopolitical play or a scheme to expand further militarily into the Middle East, but to genuinely deny the fall of Assad. The plan is to truly create favorable conditions on the ground to allow for a better hand at the negotiating table. Right now Russia is content providing these airplanes, but there is no doubt that Russia has the power and projection capability to reset the battlefield should Assad ever be pushed into a corner. Something that can’t be said about the rebels, which the West refuses to support currently through direct air strikes on Assad, and ISIL, which the GCC refuses to continue financing until it comes to heel.

These next few days are going to highlight the reserve capacity of the rebels and Islamic State. As all factions have been fighting for a week we’re starting to see if the rebels and the Islamic State have the operational capability and strategic depth to withstand an extensive SAA ground offensive supported by accurate Russian firepower from the air. Iranian troops have landed in the thousands to reinforce the ground offensives. More Shia militias, trained by Iranians, have been imported from Iraq and Shia volunteers (or mercenaries) from Afghanistan are being shuttled to the combat zone.

It also seems there’s a bit of politics occurring in the background. Meetings between Russian and Saudi delegates. Russians trying to bring the Americans in with the Americans shunning all attempts. Secret Israeli and Saudi meetings. Everything is happening quietly and quickly.

So here is where we stand:



MORE AT
http://thesaker.is/syria-and-the-middle-east-sitrep-october-18th-2015-
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Wednesday, October 21, 2015 3:22 PM

THGRRI


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Peace would be the ultimate prize. But if they can't have that then Syrians and Russians and Hezbulah and Iranians and ISIS and Syrian rebels all shooting at each other... I got no real complaints. It's their war.

"Russians trying to bring the Americans in with the Americans shunning all attempts. "

As I said before, glad Obama didn't jump when everyone else wanted him to.

"Like all conflicts in the Middle East, long protracted wars are the norm."

Hey now, sounds a little like what I was saying.

"The Syrian Arab Army has seen so many causalities and has fought hundreds of thousands of foreign jihadists over the years that to achieve peace now would be as tedious as continuing the war in its current state. "

That cute, cuddly Middle East.



Russia's going into debt with all the military actions it's involved in and the Russia people will be kicking on the Kremlin door shortly. Going into Syria was a move of desperation on Putin's part because Assad was about to fall. Anyone who thinks Putin wanted to put troops there and spend despretly needed treasure is ill informed.


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Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:59 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


A good article on the effect of Russia's airstrikes in Syria - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/11/syrian-rebels-decry-russi
an-airstrikes-we-have-not-had-isis-here-in-over-a-year?CMP=share_btn_tw


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Residents in the areas hit by Moscow late last week described widespread destruction of houses and buildings. “The destruction is incredible, and all of them are civilian homes,” said Adnan Kanjo, the head of the local council in Derrat al-Izza in western Aleppo. “This is the first time we see destruction at this scale. There is intense fear and terror – we can’t even open our schools.”

“The regime’s planes could bomb maybe one or two buildings, but now a whole district is destroyed. There is no specific time and we can’t take any more precautions. If you are destined to get killed you will get killed. These Russian warplanes say they are targeting Daesh [Isis],” he added. “Well, we have not had Daesh here in over a year...



Also, doctors say at least 4 hospitals have been bombed by Russian airstrikes, the latest attack killing 12 people - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/22/three-syrian-hospitals-bo
mbed-since-russian-airstrikes-began-doctors-say


I'm sure Signy, who feels so strongly about dead children and the bombing of nations, will have something to say about this carnage.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:19 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Extraordinary use of Russian cluster-bombs in Idlib province:

https://www .youtube.com/watch?v=MsCbG0t1Ds8&feature=youtu.be
(video not playing so copy and paste the link and remove the space after the www)

Reportedly two whole towns evacuated after this. Expect the refugee crisis in Europe and elsewhere to get much worse...

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, October 22, 2015 7:22 PM

THGRRI




Can't seem to get the video working but it doesn't matter. It's obvious Russia is bombing indiscriminately.


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Friday, October 23, 2015 8:02 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


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Gee, not working out like they thought. Imagine that. And all that to keep Asswad in power.

Being cynical, maybe it's working out exactly like Putin thought. The main goal is to prop up Assad and protect Russia's military base, but if a side effect is making the EU's refugee crisis twice as bad then I'm sure Putin wouldn't mind that at all. I would be surprised if Putin has shed a single tear for all the untold Syrian suffering he has caused and facilitated over the past 4 years. This is all just a game to him.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, October 23, 2015 10:39 AM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by G:
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Russia's going into debt with all the military actions it's involved in and the Russia people will be kicking on the Kremlin door shortly. Going into Syria was a move of desperation on Putin's part because Assad was about to fall. Anyone who thinks Putin wanted to put troops there and spend despretly needed treasure is ill informed.




Not so sure - according to Russian media he has 310% approval rating.



About 4,000 Muslims from ex-Soviet countries are fighting alongside the Islamic State in Syria and Putin feels they cannot let these people gain combat experience and go through ideological indoctrination and then return to Russia.

Islamist extremism is growing among Al Qaeda and IS in northern Afghanistan and the concern is they will find support from ethnic Uzbeks and Tajiks who had rejected the Pashtun Taliban.

One of the goals of the Russian operation in Syria is to stop IS before it opens a second front in Tajikistan.

As I said, I don't think Putin particularly likes the position he is in. Or appreciates the fact that Assad can't take care of business without Russia having to get involved the way they are now. I think the Russians are not as adept as the Americans who have more than a decade worth of experience doing this, and Putin is hoping for a quick knock out blow.



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Friday, October 23, 2015 11:14 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Thought this was funny ....

ISIS Tries To Blow Up Russian Bombers With Flying Condom Bombs

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If you’re a black flag-waving, sword-wielding, desert bandit in white basketball shoes, you’ve got a lot of options when it comes to terrorizing the locals on the way to racking up territorial gains. After all, indiscriminately killing civilians and conducting brutal executions can exert a powerful psychological effect on non combatants and on poorly trained, ill-prepared army regulars for weak Mid-East states.

You don’t, however, have a lot of options when it comes to countering an all-out aerial bombardment by one of the most powerful militaries on the planet. Your options are even more limited if said aerial bombardment is backed by thousands of fearless militiamen belonging to a group that’s been fighting Mid-East proxy wars for more than three decades.

So, with Russia in the skies over Syria and Hezbollah on the ground, ISIS is in a tough spot. But you know what they say: when the going gets tough, the tough get going, which explains why Islamic State has devised an innovative strategy for countering Russian airstrikes.

What they’ll do, you see, is inflate condoms and attach a homemade mine to them. They'll then float the condoms into the sky in an effort to create a kind of condom bomb sky minefield. That, ISIS figures, should deter Russian fighter jets.

Here’s Sputnik with some epic sarcasm:

Left with little recourse in the face of relentless Russian airstrikes, the self-proclaimed Islamic State terrorist group has apparently resorted to a fairly unique defensive strategy. According a video that surfaced online on Wednesday, the group has begun launching homemade condom bombs, hoping they’ll somehow veer into a Russian bomber.
While Sputnik cannot independently verify the authenticity of the video, it appears to show IS militants creating aerial mines out of condoms, which are then released into the skies over Idlib.
The entire arts-and-crafts project is shown, scored to look like some kind of bizarre extremist music video.
In a desperate move, the contraceptive contraptions are seemingly meant to drift into Russian bombers as they fly overhead. A clever – if fairly ineffective – strategy.


Yes, a “fairly ineffective strategy” indeed.

As Sputnik goes on to note, "why IS prefers condoms to simple, run-of-the-mill balloons, is unclear, but if they think a bunch of exploding rubbers are going to scare off the military, they’ve clearly never been to Fleet Week."

At least now we know why the US has had such a hard time achieving results with 13 months of airstrikes - the condom bombs must be disrupting the operation...


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-23/isis-tries-blow-russian-bombe
rs-flying-condom-bombs


Well, there are rumors and rumors about all kinds of behind-the-scenes negotiations and behind-the-scenes threats.

Saudi Arabia running off to Moscow.
Qatar threatening direct military intervention (on the side of Al Qaida, of course).
Iraq threatening to veer off-course, and appeal to Russia for help.
USA counter-threatening to withdraw all support from Iraq if Russia joins the fray.
Iraqi re-taking of Baiji (refinery). On the way to Mosul (?)
The repositioning of the USA carrier group far, far away from the Mediterranean (and cruise missiles)
Solid news of an agreement between the USA and Russia on "de-conflicting" the skies over Syria
Solid news of Assad's visit to Moscow

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By now everybody has seen the photo of Putin and Assad shaking hands. What has received less attention is whom Assad actually met.

Putin, of course. And Lavrov [Foreign Minister] and Shoigu [Defense Minister]. They spoke for a total of three hours. Then Medvedev joined them for a private dinner. Guess who else joined them? Mikhail Fradkov, Head of the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service, and Nikolai Patrushev, Head of the Russian Security Council.

Guys, this is most definitely a power-meeting by any standard, something which only happens very very rarely in the presence of a foreign head of state (only Xi had that kind of access, if I remember correctly). And that tells me that major issues were discussed and very important decisions taken.

Obviously, not a word came out about what was discussed, but a meeting like that is something unprecedented. Foreign heads of state don’t get to speak directly to folks like Fradkov, especially not on camera. This is yet another strong message to the USA: this time, we mean business.


http://thesaker.is/dreams-of-a-sleeping-alligator-dream-three-a-surren
der-a-meeting-and-a-rating
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Clearly, Russia is not "backing away" from Assad.

However, I agree with the Rambo assessment - another mediocre week. There have been threats that Russia would increase the number of sorties to 300/day. Given the number of planes in place and the fact that there's only one runway at Latakia, that's flat-out impossible at the moment. OTOH, the Russians ARE building another runway, and they COULD move in more planes, so it's possible that the skies over Syria could become very, very crowded in two or three weeks. Given that the "moderate terrorists" and the "immoderate terrorists" are scattering and dispersing their assets, there will be many more targets.

THUGR SAID
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About 4,000 Muslims from ex-Soviet countries are fighting alongside the Islamic State in Syria and Putin feels they cannot let these people gain combat experience and go through ideological indoctrination and then return to Russia.

Islamist extremism is growing among Al Qaeda and IS in northern Afghanistan and the concern is they will find support from ethnic Uzbeks and Tajiks who had rejected the Pashtun Taliban.

One of the goals of the Russian operation in Syria is to stop IS before it opens a second front in Tajikistan.

As I said, I don't think Putin particularly likes the position he is in. Or appreciates the fact that Assad can't take care of business without Russia having to get involved the way they are now. I think the Russians are not as adept as the Americans who have more than a decade worth of experience doing this, and Putin is hoping for a quick knock out blow.



Agree with most, but I don't think that Putin is hoping for a "quick" knockout blow (unless you count "quick" as some time in the next year or two.) The other thing I noticed is that- while it would be easy to kill off the ISIS-controlled refineries and oil pipelines, Russia has been careful to preserve "infrastructure" (unlike the USA which seems to target things like power plants and water wells). What I think Putin IS hoping for is to draw in al Qaida/ ISIS supporters ... far easier to pull them in and deal with them all one place place than to hunt them down all over creation.

China is keeping a close eye on events, as there is an Afghanistan to Xinjiang (Uyghur) terrorist connection.

In some ways, it almost seems as if ISIS is a clarifying element. As the situation polarizes, the various warlords, mercenaries, proxies, jihadists, rebels, etc have to fall to either the pro- or anti-ISIS side. That makes them easier to identify and target.



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Friday, October 23, 2015 11:38 AM

SIGNYM

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I'm sure Signy, who feels so strongly about dead children and the bombing of nations, will have something to say about this carnage.
It's terrible, IF TRUE. But the reports are very biased. As I read the reports and maps (even from the so-called FSA) what they say and what is happening are often two different things. For instance, the map (published by the so-called FSA) which I re-posted above ... the one which was in support of the complaint that the "regime" and Russia are only attacking "moderate" "rebels" .... shows the contact line to be moving into ISIS-controlled territory, not elsewhere. Even their maps dont' support their claims.

AFA the "hospitals" which were struck, one site that I remember specifically was an ambulance depot, not a hospital. You have to read these reports with a shit-screen firmly in place.

We (other people I know, not you) were talking about this at the beginning ... how do you root out terrorists from a population where the terrorists may have been embedded for quite a while, and/or which may have local support? Surround the town/village/city with a porous set of checkpoints? If so, how do you screen out terrorists from terrorist supporters from terrorist victims? The USA tried that in Iraq by offering a bounty to anyone who turned in a Saddam-army member or a "terrorist", but that mostly managed to activate local grudges, which landed a lot of bystanders in Gitmo. You need REALLY good on-the-ground intel to do that effectively.

Or, you can just bomb the snot out of any suspect area. It's certainly something to watch for.

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Friday, October 23, 2015 11:58 AM

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Yep, when it comes to mother Russia, the reports are always biased.

Quote:


SIG...

It's terrible, IF TRUE. But the reports are very biased. As I read the reports and maps (even from the so-called FSA)




You can't build a country with bombs and guns unless you're Russia..

As for the rest of what you have posted SIG, it's a mismatch of speculations that are subjective in nature. In other words...crap.



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Friday, October 23, 2015 12:06 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

It's terrible, IF TRUE. But the reports are very biased. As I read the reports and maps (even from the so-called FSA)...
I quoted the FSA and re-posted THEIR map (not mine, theirs) to demonstrate that even their maps and texts don't agree.

Quote:

As for the rest of what you have posted SIG, it's a mismatch of speculations that are subjective in nature. In other words...crap.
Since I quoted you at length, does that mean that YOUR posts are crap too?

So, another thought that came to me ... I guess, given which way the SAA is heading, is that Aleppo is the next target. But no news from Aleppo, so clearly no "big victory" or decisive battle has occurred.


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Friday, October 23, 2015 2:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

It's terrible, IF TRUE. But the reports are very biased. As I read the reports and maps (even from the so-called FSA)...
I quoted the FSA and re-posted THEIR map (not mine, theirs) to demonstrate that even their maps and texts don't agree.

Quote:

As for the rest of what you have posted SIG, it's a mismatch of speculations that are subjective in nature. In other words...crap.
Since I quoted you at length, does that mean that YOUR posts are crap too?

So, another thought that came to me ... I guess, given which way the SAA is heading, is that Aleppo is the next target. But no news from Aleppo, so clearly no "big victory" or decisive battle has occurred.


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I said nothing about any map SIG so you are staying true to your subjective posting. As always anything that smacks as criticism against Russia is subject to being bias. Your consistency in this was my only point comrade troll.


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Saturday, October 24, 2015 7:56 AM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


HRW: Russia using new type of cluster munitions in Syria - https://www.hrw.org/news/2015/10/10/syria-new-russian-made-cluster-mun
ition-reported


Signy, kiki, condemnation?

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, October 24, 2015 9:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

It's terrible, IF TRUE. But the reports are very biased. As I read the reports and maps (even from the so-called FSA)...
I quoted the FSA and re-posted THEIR map (not mine, theirs) to demonstrate that even their maps and texts don't agree.


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Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:12 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions

I will condemn Russia for any cluster bombs it may have used and for not joining the international treaty against them - exactly as loudly as you have condemned Israel and the US for the same in the past.

Otherwise - no, I'm not going to hold myself to a higher standard in this back and forth WITH YOU than you hold yourself. Or, to put it another way - since you're not interested in a open discussion, but instead use hypocritical tactics to 'win' for your 'side', I will not participate in your farce the way you want me to.

Got it?




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Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:40 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


I heard a very interesting audio yesterday. Without trying to pinpoint exactly when it was released, this was clearly before Russia militarily joined in Syria. At least three weeks old, probably more like five or six weeks old. It turned out to be fairly predictive of upcoming events.



The commentator makes several startling statement in this fairly long video, one of which goes something like this:

In a two-hour closed-door meeting, Putin told the Turkish ambassador

Quote:

Tell your dictator-president Erdogan to go to hell and that unless he stops well established and easily proven support for ISIS, Russia will sever diplomatic relations. We are prepared to turn Syria into a big Stalingrad for Turkey and her Saudi allies and their vicious little gang of Hitlers.

Your little dictator is a hypocrite, attacking the military coup in Egypt while, at the same time, he is trying to overthrow the elected government of Syria. As it stands, China, Iran and Russia will guarantee the survival of Syria.



Or words to that effect.

According to other sources, this information came from people close to Putin. And while I can't verify that this is exactly what happened, it matches other events that have been reported in the past:

Putin allegedly told Bandar ("Bush") bin Sultan, then chief of Saudi security, to go to hell after having been threatened with Chechen terrorists at the Sochi Olympics.

Just before Parliamentary elections two years ago (elections that Erdogan's party won, unlike the most recent elections that Ergogan's party lost) there were two mysterious releases of audio recordings, (a) one in which Erdogan's son is heard discussing (with his father) how to hide ill-gotten money, and (b) another in which the Turkish military command is heard discussing how to conduct a false flag attack on Turkey "from Syria" which would justify a Turkish attack on Syrian soil. So, who made and released those audios, hmmmm....?

Putin, when discussing the Turkish Stream pipeline, made reference to the fact that there is "life after Erdogan".

Clearly, no love lost between Putin and Erdogan! (Erdogan BTW looks like he's about to not obtain a majority at the upcoming election. It couldn't happen to a more deserving person.)

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The video goes on to discuss a number of other interesting topics, MOST have been already reported in western press (if only briefly) but there is another explanation about General John Allen's "end run" around Obama ("When you do an 'end run' around the President, it's called treason") in implementing a neocon-style intervention in Syria after being specifically told not to.

One of the things I may have mentioned here is my suspicion that neocon members of the State Department and command staff of the Pentagon are engineering events without Obama's knowledge or approval. Ukraine might have been one of them, and our potential military intervention in Syria may be another. Hillary Clinton, for example, is a neocon of the Brzenzinski mold, just like hubby Bill Clinton (who engineered the breakup of Yugoslavia). It was on Hillary's watch that guns were being run from Benghazi jihadists to Syrian jihadists, and it was on her watch that the consulate in Benghazi was attacked and "experienced ambassador" (ie probably CIA) Christopher Stevens was killed. It was also on her watch that Victoria "Fuck the EU" Nuland was caught picking the next government of Ukraine.

No wonder Hillary had her own email server!

Anyway, there are undoubtedly neocons packed in other corners of the Pentagon and State Department, and John Allen was one of them (according to this link).

It's an interesting link; I would certainly think about what this guy is saying because about 85% has already been reported in the western press .... he just manages to relate events in interesting ways, and nothing that he says is contradicted by previous mainstream reportage.

General John Allen, resigns (again) from the military

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/world/middleeast/general-john-allen-
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Saturday, October 24, 2015 1:07 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I've thought for a long time that US involvement seemed bifurcated - for example, the fact that there were a number of CIA training operations in Syria BEFORE Congress approved either the involvement or the funding - followed by Obama's recent, abrupt and public cancellation of those efforts. A strong, rogue neo-con presence in the State Department would account for that.

As regarding this: "turn Syria into a big Stalingrad for Turkey and her Saudi allies" I've been trying to make sense of Russia's move to join in. Since it seems to me there are a LOT of ways it could go sideways or backwards, it doesn't strike me as the tactical slam-dunk brilliant move everyone thinks it is. Even with Russia, Syria and Iran joining forces there are equally powerful forces on the other side.

That statement indicates to me Putin means war. Not quick surgical temporary maneuvers, but a bloody brutal death match against international extremists - even if they're overtly supported by the US and NATO/ Turkey. That lines up more with how I read the situation.




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Saturday, October 24, 2015 6:54 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


http://www.todayszaman.com/national_chp-deputies-govt-rejects-probe-in
to-turkeys-role-in-syrian-chemical-attack_402180.html


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CHP deputies: Gov’t rejects probe into Turkey’s role in Syrian chemical attack

Two deputies from the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) have claimed that the government is against investigating Turkey's role in sending toxic sarin gas which was used in an attack on civilians in Syria in 2013 and in which over 1,300 Syrians were killed.

CHP deputies Eren Erdem and Ali Seker held a press conference in Istanbul on Wednesday in which they claimed the investigation into allegations regarding Turkey's involvement in the procurement of sarin gas which was used in the chemical attack on a civil population and delivered to the terrorist Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) to enable the attack was derailed.

"The MKE [Turkish Mechanical and Chemical Industry Corporation] is also an actor that is mentioned in the investigation file. Here is the indictment. All the details about how sarin was procured in Turkey and delivered to the terrorists, along with audio recordings, are inside the file," Erdem said while waving the file.




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Saturday, October 24, 2015 7:17 PM

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Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.


Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions

I will condemn Russia for any cluster bombs it may have used and for not joining the international treaty against them - exactly as loudly as you have condemned Israel and the US for the same in the past.

Otherwise - no, I'm not going to hold myself to a higher standard in this back and forth WITH YOU than you hold yourself. Or, to put it another way - since you're not interested in a open discussion, but instead use hypocritical tactics to 'win' for your 'side', I will not participate in your farce the way you want me to.

Got it?


That was an awful lot of words to say what we all knew you were going to - "No, I won't criticise my hero Putin."

I will point out that the source, HRW, is the exact same source that blamed Kiev for using cluster bombs in the Ukraine conflict. You SCREAMED against Ukraine then, and you are silent about Russia/Assad now. Your hypocrisy is proven right there, no matter your attempt to deflect by bringing up Israel/the US.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Saturday, October 24, 2015 8:46 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So - you have no condemnation when the US or Israel uses cluster bombs? No condemnation for their refusal to sign the international ban?


"You SCREAMED against Ukraine then ..." link needed, because your honesty is in serious question ...




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Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Originally posted by 1kiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_Cluster_Munitions

I will condemn Russia for any cluster bombs it may have used and for not joining the international treaty against them - exactly as loudly as you have condemned Israel and the US for the same in the past.

Otherwise - no, I'm not going to hold myself to a higher standard in this back and forth WITH YOU than you hold yourself. Or, to put it another way - since you're not interested in a open discussion, but instead use hypocritical tactics to 'win' for your 'side', I will not participate in your farce the way you want me to.

Got it?


That was an awful lot of words to say what we all knew you were going to - "No, I won't criticise my hero Putin."

I will point out that the source, HRW, is the exact same source that blamed Kiev for using cluster bombs in the Ukraine conflict. You SCREAMED against Ukraine then, and you are silent about Russia/Assad now. Your hypocrisy is proven right there, no matter your attempt to deflect by bringing up Israel/the US.

It's not personal. It's just war.



Right on Target KPO, as always even in the worst of circumstances our two comrade trolls make excuses for and deflect to another subject to protect Putin.

The question comrade troll is not whether we condemn in past tense Israel or the U.S. for using cluster bombs, but instead, why do you refuse to condemn Putin for using them after screaming foul when the Ukraine is accused of the same thing in it's current conflict with Russia.


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Saturday, October 24, 2015 9:06 PM

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Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


So - you have no condemnation when the US or Israel uses cluster bombs? No condemnation for their refusal to sign the international ban?


"You SCREAMED against Ukraine then ..." link needed, because your honesty is in serious question ...

And I'm still waiting kpo.




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Saturday, October 24, 2015 9:54 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

As regarding this: "turn Syria into a big Stalingrad for Turkey and her Saudi allies" I've been trying to make sense of Russia's move to join in. Since it seems to me there are a LOT of ways it could go sideways or backwards, it doesn't strike me as the tactical slam-dunk brilliant move everyone thinks it is. Even with Russia, Syria and Iran joining forces there are equally powerful forces on the other side.

That statement indicates to me Putin means war. Not quick surgical temporary maneuvers, but a bloody brutal death match against international extremists - even if they're overtly supported by the US and NATO/ Turkey. That lines up more with how I read the situation.



Hmmm ... I hadn't thought about it that way, but you're right: Stalingrad is a pretty hefty historical reference, not one to pull out lightly. It does imply that Putin sees this as an existential threat.

After Syria, the NEXT domino to fall is Iraq. The USA has sent what seems to be a parade of high-ranking officials to Iraq to ensure that Iraq doesn't ask Russia for help (and kick the USA out). Obama, Marine Gen Dunford, and Gen John Allen have been going back and forth with al-Abadi (Iraqi PM). Dunford went to far as tell al-Abadi that he had to choose between Russia or the USA. Both Dunford and Allen received polite assurances that Iraq wouldn't choose Russia ...

Quote:

In a meeting with Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi of Iraq, General Allen received assurance that a new “coordination center” the Russians had established here with Iraq, Iran and Syria would not organize military operations but would limit itself to sharing information about the militants

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/world/middleeast/general-john-allen-
obama-isis.html


.... but nobody thought to ask the Iraqi Parliament, who apparently promptly voted to ask Russia for help! And not only did Russia apparently roll up Iraq, they also rolled up Jordan. This is a very worthwhile article, more informative than the normal Zerohedge apocalypse:

Russia Takes Over The Mid-East: Moscow Gets Green Light For Strikes In Iraq, Sets Up Alliance With Jordan
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-24/russia-takes-over-mid-east-mo
scow-gets-green-light-strikes-iraq-sets-alliance-jordan


Meanwhile Turkey is [apparently] STILL angling to create a "safe zone" in northern Syria which would allow continued support for its jihadists in Syria. As a member of NATO, this could potentially place Russia and NATO in direct opposition. And Merkel just went over to Turkey and is willing to give Turkey anything ... or almost anything ... to make the refugee crisis stop. So Merkel will hand over money. EU membership. Maybe even that "safe zone" that Turkey still wants (which I believe Tureky is using as a bargaining chip - that remains to be seen when the final agreement is worked out).

There are bits and pieces in the western media about all these negotiations, but this article seems to sum it up pretty well:

Quote:

Turkey is pressuring Germany to create “safe zones” inside Syria as a “price” for alleviating the EU’s refugee crisis. It’s a Faustian bargain that could escalate the Syrian conflict, where NATO forces could end up pitted against Russia’s military.
German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s hot-footing to Istanbul last weekend was capped with a U-turn regarding Turkey’s much sought-after membership of the European Union. In a surprise move, Merkel announced that she was now in favor of pushing for Turkey’s accession to the EU, when only a few weeks ago she had reiterated her opposition to its membership.“Turkey holds the cards,” declared the German news outlet Deutsche Welle. And it’s hard to disagree with that, given Turkey’s pivotal role in Europe’s migrant crisis, which has seen the biggest mass movement of people since the Second World War. Some 600,000 refugees have reached EU borders this year alone, according to the International Organization for Migration.

Most of the human exodus has come through Turkey, which is currently accommodating 2.5 million refugees. Most of those have stemmed from the nearly five-year conflict in Syria, on Turkey’s southern border.

Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu are pressing home the opportunity presented by this crisis, by getting the EU to accept that it “needs Turkey” to halt the flow of refugees. That’s why Merkel and other high-ranking EU officials have in the last week showed a newfound attentiveness to the government in Ankara.

Before she flew to meet Erdogan and Davutoglu last Sunday, the German Chancellor said that “all options were on the table.” The leaders subsequently said they had worked out an “action plan” which will be finalized over the coming weeks, with more high-level meetings planned in Berlin and Ankara.

What is known is that Merkel is now backing revitalized talks over Turkey’s accession to the 28-member EU. Negotiations had been mothballed since 2005 owing to EU concerns over Turkey’s human rights record and Ankara’s repression against its minority Kurdish population.


http://www.therussophile.org/merkels-faustian-embrace-of-turkey.html/

As far as Erdogan is concerned, timing is everything. The Turkish general election will be held Nov 1. If a deal is struck in the next two - three days and Erdogan is seen as coming home with a "win", it MIGHT put his party back in the majority. That seems unlikely (to me). So Erdogan might go back on simmer until the next general election (2016). From Erdogan's POV, several processes will be happening. The first, favorable, is that in the meantime, money will be flowing in to Turkey and accession to the EU will be under discussion (again), this time with Germany's backing. On the other hand, the anti-al Nusra/ al Qaida/ ISIS operation will continue and there will be more time for damaging audiotapes to emerge.

There are a lot of things in the works.

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Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:02 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Oh, by the way KIKI, your posting a link to the old thread where THUGR basically said he didn't care about people ... it gave me an opportunity to look back, not just at that but a GSTRING and THUGR in general.

They're idiots. Along with KPO. Not worth replying to.

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Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, by the way KIKI, your posting a link to the old thread where THUGR basically said he didn't care about people ... it gave me an opportunity to look back, not just at that but a GSTRING and THUGR in general.

They're idiots. Along with KPO. Not worth replying to.





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Fixed that for ya again...somebody keeps changing it back

Comrade troll 2 has been cutting and pasting that quote that she keeps taking out of context for a long time now. It only shows that she doesn't care what that quote was about, only that it looks bad for me the way she posts it; or so she thinks. Well, everyone here is probable familiar with it now and my response to it as well.

Don't worry yourself about it comrade troll 1, I don't



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Saturday, October 24, 2015 10:49 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


So, to look at in the very near future ...

Russian jets in Iraq, yes or no? Will it be presented as "hot pursuit" of ISIS into Iraq? If "yes, then does the USA "de-conflict", ignore, or leave?

Erdogan's party in the majority Nov 2? If yes, this gives Erdogan more leverage to continue working on his new Ottoman Empire.

"Safe zone" in northern Syria? If "yes" this is a serious escalation that could bring NATO in conflict with Russia.

A significant "on the ground" victory in Syria in the near future? If "no" then Iranian troops may be stuck in Syria for a long while.

Kurds folded into the Russian anti-ISIS effort? IF yes, this is a significant step in cutting off the flow of ISIS support from Turkey into Syria.




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SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Einsteinian Insanity: US, Saudi Arabia Pledge To Provide More Guns, Ammo To Syrian Proxy Armies

Quote:

You have to hand it to Washington. When it comes to foreign policy blunders, the US certainly isn’t afraid to double and triple down.

As a leaked diplomatic cable from 2006 definitively shows, the US has actively sought to stoke sectarian violence in Syria for at least the last ten years and part of that effort has involved coordinating with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Turkey to support Sunni extremists. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-21/secret-cable-reveals-us-plan-
overthrow-assad-exploiting-extremist-groups


That support led directly to what has to be considered the most absurd foreign policy outcome in the history of modern statecraft and we never tire of calling it out: Washington, Ankara, Riyadh, and Doha trained and equipped a group of fighters, told them to go and destabilize the Assad regime, and somewhere along the way, that group of fighters went rogue and metamorphosed into a insane band of black flag-waving, sword-wielding, white Nike-wearing, desert bandits hell bent on establishing a medieval caliphate....

...despite the sheer ridiculousness of that “train and equip” exercise, the US and its regional allies went on to arm and fund still more Sunni extremists hoping against hope that they might manage to find the rebel Goldilocks zone and finally back a group that is all at once effective at fighting to overthrow the regime and not prone to going absolutely nuts in the process.

... The effort to rearm the rebels [with anti-tank weapons?- SIGNY] is now more urgent than ever thanks to the fact that Russia and Iran are advancing on Aleppo. If Aleppo falls to the regime, it’s game over. Assad will effectively be restored and Putin and Soleimaini will turn their eyes west [east- SIGNY] to ISIS and then, once Raqqa falls, they'll march and fly right on into Iraq. Amusingly, Moscow even offered to provide air cover for the Free Syrian Army if the US would be so kind as to point Russia to the group’s “patriots” who are defending the country against extremists. The FSA declined to accept help from The Kremlin. ...

From the WSJ .... Secretary of State John Kerry and Saudi King Salman



Is this the same Salman who was recently hospitalized for dementia? Or his son, who seems to have taken over the throne?

Quote:

agreed to increase support for Syrian forces fighting Islamic State militants while backing international diplomatic efforts to begin a political transition in Damascus, U.S. and Saudi officials said.

The U.S. diplomat and Saudi monarch also coordinated on their countries’ joint efforts to fight the Islamic State terrorist organization that has gained control over large sections of Syrian and Iraqi territory in recent months.

“The secretary thanked the king for Saudi Arabia’s support to multilateral efforts to pursue a political transition in Syria … and reaffirmed our mutual goal of achieving a unified, pluralistic and stable country for all Syrians,” State Department spokesman John Kirby said after Mr. Kerry’s meeting on Saturday night with the Saudi monarch....

The U.S. and Saudi Arabia provide arms and training to rebel armies fighting in Syria. Washington, though, has refrained from backing insurgents who are directly fighting President Bashar al-Assad’s regime. - WSJ



Well, I guess I cross the WSJ off my list of reliable sources, since they keep printing demonstrable lies.- SIGNY

There are several groups that the USA COULD provide arms to who are reliable anti-ISIS fighters, and those are the Kurds. Apparently, they were the recipients of the last 50-ton arms paradrop.


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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Tony Blair concedes link between Islamic State and Iraq War

Quote:

Tony Blair has apologised for mistakes made over the Iraq War - and said there were "elements of truth" in claims that it caused the rise of Islamic State.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34630380

Ya think????

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Tuesday, October 27, 2015 10:31 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


"Russia's Mid-East Takeover Continues as Afghanistan Requests Military Assistance From Moscow"
http://russia-insider.com/en/important-afghanistan-requests-military-a
ssistance-moscow/ri10752


Interesting, if true.



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Tuesday, October 27, 2015 4:29 PM

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In the four weeks since Russia entered the conflict in Syria, Moscow has waged a fierce campaign for the hearts and minds of ordinary Russians.

Public support for the Syria intervention was initially limited. But as Russian war correspondents have filed patriotic reports from the urban front lines, and the defense ministry has posted bombing videos on social media, support has increased, according to polls from Levada Center, an independent Moscow-based pollster.

Part of Moscow's propaganda war has also been an effort to obscure the number of its own military casualties.


On Tuesday, Russian officials gave the first official confirmation of a Russian military fatality in Syria. But the statement to the press said the soldier in question hadn't been killed but had committed suicide.

However, the parents of 19-year-old Vadim Kostenko told Reuters they didn't believe their son had killed himself.

"I will never believe this version," Kostenko's mother, Svetlana, told the news agency. "We spoke every day by phone for half an hour. He was cheerful, happy, and he laughed."


A banner showing portraits of Russian President Vladimir Putin (L) and Syrian President Bashar al-Assad side by side is displayed in Aleppo, Syria, Oct. 17, 2015.

Since Russia began its military involvement in Syria four weeks ago, there have been reports of at least four other Russian servicemen being killed in action. Those reports, however, have not been confirmed by Moscow.

Moscow has a history of concealing fatalities during times of war or conflict.


"Russia is a state that for long time has treated its soldiers as ammunition rather than human beings," "Russia is a state that for long time has treated its soldiers as ammunition rather than human beings," Mark Galeotti, a professor at New York University and an expert on Russia's security services told Mashable.

When Russia lost troops during recent fighting in neighboring Ukraine, where the Russia covertly supported separatist militias, Moscow first claimed the soldiers had died in training exercises on Russian soil or denied they were active-duty troops, and even held secret burials of the dead.





Empty coffins stand in front of a morgue in Donetsk, Ukraine, May 29, 2014. The next day they would be filled with the bodies of Russian fighters who were secretly repatriated under the cover of darkness.



Russia's President Vladimir Putin signed a decree in May that outlawed the disclosure of Russian deaths in "special operations," classifying them as military secrets.

Russian officials fear the erosion of public support for the Syrian intervention if soldiers start coming home in body bags, said Galeotti.

And to many Russians, Syria evokes memories of the Soviet Union's disastrous 1980s war in Afghanistan during which thousands of troops came home in cheap zinc-lined coffins.

http://mashable.com/2015/10/27/russian-casualties-in-syria-secret/#XMd
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Monday, November 2, 2015 9:28 AM

SIGNYM

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By Pepe Escobar, who is sometimes too wordy, but always worth reading

ISIS at the Gates of Vienna

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History has a jolly habit of repeating itself as surrealist farce. Is it 1683 all over again, with the Ottoman Empire laying siege to Vienna just to be defeated by the “infidels” at the last minute?

No; it’s 2015 and a Caliph simulacrum – Ibrahim, a.k.a. Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi — has prompted a gaggle of world powers, lesser powers and assorted minions to converge to Vienna to discuss how to defeat him.

Westphalians, we got a problem. None of this makes any sense if Iran is not at the table discussing a solution for the Syrian tragedy. Moscow knew it from the start. Washington — reluctantly — had to admit the obvious. But the problem was never Iran. The problem is the ideological matrix of goons who metastasize into Caliphs: Saudi Arabia.

Back — inevitably — to surrealism. Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir stated, “The view of our partners … was that we should test the intentions of the Iranians and the Russians in arriving at a political solution in Syria, which we all prefer.”

Translation: “Our partners” means “His Masters’ Voice,” Washington; and the beheading-addicted oil hacienda does not “prefer” a political solution; they want regime change and a House of Saud satrapy.

Egypt, Iraq, Lebanon, the EU, France and even Qatar — whose mini-emir wanted to launch his own military campaign for regime change before someone told him to shut up — are keeping company to Iran in Vienna, alongside the US, Russia, Turkey and the House of Saud.

Talk about parallel lives. One thing is a polite altercation inside a gilded Vienna palace. The shifting military sands across a Sykes-Picot-in-shambles “Syraq” tell a very different story.

Beware the new Global Jihad

The ideal solution is tempting; Russia dispatches the Spetsnaz and some extra commandos; beheads the ISIS/ISIL/Daesh goons from a C4i point of view; surrounds them; and wipes them out.

Yet it won’t happen, as long as Sultan Erdogan in Turkey, petrodollar GCC minions and the CIA persist to “support” and/or weaponize assorted Salafi-jihadi goons, “moderate” or otherwise.

The fake “Caliphate” will be a very tough nut to crack because they don’t – and won’t – care about their own mounting casualties. The “4+1” alliance – Russia, Syria, Iran, Iraq plus Hezbollah – already knows it, and has already experienced trouble in their ranks.

Hezbollah took casualties. So did Iran’s Quds Force – as in reliable mid-level commanders. Iran has around 1,500 fighters on the ground – many of them Afghans – on the “4+1” side. On the opposite side we have the House of Saud funneling a lot of cash and TOW anti-tank missiles to the Army of Conquest, which is nothing but an al-Qaeda-led coalition of the willing displaying relatively overlapping agendas (first regime change, then Caliphate or Muslim Brotherhood reign).

There’s no evidence – yet – that ISIS/ISIL/Daesh has been depleted of the bulk of their shoulder-fired anti-aircraft plus anti-tank guided missiles.

So while Vienna talks, what is ISIS/ISIL/Daesh really up to?

They are about to choose between two different strategies.

Firstly, the dig in in Raqqa – the former capital of the Abbasid Caliphate, before Baghdad – waiting for a Mother of All Battles. After all they can’t afford to lose it, as Raqqa, geostrategically, is the ultimate crossroads in Syria. Former Ba’athist military and a cluster of Arab nationalists are lobbying for this strategy.

Secondly, forget about digging in. The best is to expand the frontline, into the deeper desert, to the max. This means no clusters of targets available to the Russian Air Force, with the added benefit of the “4+1” – as in the Syrian Arab Army (SAA)/Iran/Hezbollah ground units supported by the Russian Air Force — overextending their lines of communication/supply and being faced with extra logistical problems. Hardcore Turks, Chechens, Uyghurs and Uzbeks are lobbying for this strategy.

Arguably the ISIS/ISIL/Daesh command is leaning towards option 2 – because of the Jihad Inc. component. At least 2,000 fake “Caliphate” goons – most of them from Chechnya, Turkey, Central Asia and Xinjiang – were killed in Kobani, which, unlike Raqqa, had no strategic value. The Jihad Inc. gang now wants to expand all the way to Central Asia, Xinjiang, Russia and, if they manage to find an opening, Europe and the US.

Option 2 also carries the added benefit, for fighting purposes, of extra support for “moderate jihadis” (not “rebels”), which means more interaction with Ahrar al-Sham, Liwa al-Tawhid, a few Army of Conquest factions, the Islamic Front and a bunch of Turkmen Salafi groups. None of these, by the way, are “moderate rebels”.

All these outfits would perfect mesh into an ISIS/ISIL/Daesh “expanding frontline” strategy, defended, among others, by one Muslim Shishani, Chechen commander of the Jund al-Sham, which is currently fighting around Latakia.


Shishani, significantly, told al-Jazeera Turk, “Fronts [such] as Raqqa and Aleppo will have no significance in a ground war against the Russians. The real war will be on the Tartus-Latakia front line. Jihad must be moved to that area.”

So imagine all of these outfits coalescing on an internal jihad plus global jihad platform, and still flush with cash. It’s no secret that Russian intel is alarmed by the high number of Chechens in the fake “Caliphate” ranks, not to mention Chinese intel regarding the Uyghurs. These may find very hard to return to Xinjiang; but the Chechens will be back in the Caucasus. That’s the famous “Aleppo is 900 km away from Grozny” syndrome.

To add to the royal mess, FSB director Alexander Bortnikov has already warned about a concentration of Taliban – many of whom pledged allegiance to the fake “Caliphate” — at Afghanistan’s northern borders with Uzbekistan and Tajikistan. For Putin and the Russian intel apparatus, the situation in Afghanistan is “close to critical”. A jihad spillover across Central Asia is all but certain.

The bottom line, thus, is stark. Move over, al-Qaeda; ISIS/ISIL/Daesh is using the “4+1” offensive to forge its identity as the leader of a Global Jihad. Saudi imams anyway have already declared jihad against Russia. And the decrepit Al-Azhar in Cairo is about to do the same thing.

Check the Iranian game

It’s already murky enough as it stands. The mix of Syrian/Iranian ground intel plus the Russian air campaign have to make sure not only that ISIS/ISIL/Daesh does not have the hardware nor the manpower to defend Raqqa; they also need to cut off all their communication/supply lines with those jihadis who are fighting the “4+1” in western Syria.

Even under attack by the Russian Air Force, which forced a large number of goons and their families to flee Syria for the Western Iraq desert, ISIS/ISIL/Daesh managed to make progress in southern Aleppo, infiltrating al-Safira, and keeping control of at least 10 checkpoints along the crucial supply line that runs from Hama, through Salamiyeh, Ithriyah and Khanaser, all the way to Aleppo. The SAA simply cannot afford to lose this corridor; now that’s priority number one. Hundreds of thousands of Aleppo civilians, meanwhile, are trying to survive as de facto hostages.

It’s crucial to check out the Iranian game on the ground. The best source so far has been the deputy commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC), Brig. Gen. Husayn Salami, who talked extensively to the Vision of the Islamic Republic of Iran Network 2.

Salami – that’s the IRGC speaking – frames Syria as the “focal point of strategic efforts made by an international coalition” to implement a “destructive political scheme in the Islamic world.” By “international coalition” he means NATO plus the Saudis. Iran’s role is “guaranteeing the political, psychological, economic and military stability of the Syrian system.”

He frames Iran’s role on four levels. “On a strategic level, we support the Syrian government, nation and army politically and psychologically. As advisors, we transfer our war experiences to top commanders in the Syrian army. Actually, we are helping them modernize and rebuild the structure of the Syrian army … When it comes to the operational level, we are helping brigade commanders for example … This is why a number of our commanders are there and are helping in planning and devising operational strategies.” Iran also helps at a tactical and technical (logistic) level.

And here’s something absolutely key – as well as anathema for the House of Saud; “Our national security is intertwined with the security of important parts of the Islamic world, the national security of Syria. This is the main philosophy behind our presence [in Syria].” The nuance that US Think Tankland is incapable of spotting is this doesn’t have anything to do with keeping Assad in power forever, as Iranian diplomats are now saying on the record.

Salami also stressed Russia went into Syria because otherwise it would have to fight jihad at home (that’s exactly what the Chechens at ISIS/ISIL/Daesh want). Putin’s Syria strategy, by the way, has been fully supported by the speaker of the Iranian parliament, Ali Larijani, who was a key guest at the Valdai summit last week.

I’m the Caliph; hear me roar

Faced with the Russian/Iranian strategy, what is the Empire of Chaos to do?

Murk the already murky sands, what else? That sorry lot that passes for Obama’s “senior national security advisers” has recommended positioning US Special Forces closer to ISIS/ISIL/Daesh in Syria.

This special “guidance” is supposed to help the coalition known as Democratic Forces of Syria – which is led by the YPG Kurds – to take Raqqa. But that does not necessarily mean US Special Forces will be fighting alongside the “4+1” towards the same objective. After all, we’re always thrown back deep into Geopolitics Surrealistan – where the US-led Coalition of the Dodgy Opportunists (CDO) totally ignores what the “4+1” are doing. And don’t forget intra-coalition hatred — as in Ankara abhorring the US insistence on working with Syrian Kurds.

As for Iraq, the Obama administration and the Pentagon now barely qualify as the butt end of running jokes. Sunnis in Anbar province are furious that the mightiest satellite surveillance system in history simply failed to register ISIS/ISIL/Daesh’s advances, from Tikrit to Ramadi and environs.

To add a final insult to (repeated) injuries – as in the “4+1” intel center in Baghdad, excluding the US, plus the authorization for Russia to bomb fake “Caliphate” convoys trying to cross from the Syrian desert – Baghdad and the EU have just agreed to set up yet another intel center to exchange data on ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. The bottom line is the Obama administration is absolutely terrified that the EU is inclined to support the Russian campaign – increasingly regarding the CDO for what it is; a joke.

The near future offers even more dangerous surrealist instances; think of the Obama administration helping Shi’ite militias to take Mosul in Iraq back from ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, and at the same time helping Kurds in Syria to take back Raqqa, an Arab city. All hell is bound to break loose between Sunnis across “Syraq” and Americans – and ISIS/ISIL/Daesh will mightily profit from it.

As it stands, there’s not going to be a frontal attack on Aleppo by the SAA and Iran/Hezbollah, covered by the Russian Air Force; instead, the “4+1” strategy will be to disrupt to the max the logistical supply routes to all Salafi-jihadi outfits, which implies trying to cut off the flux of cash and weapons smuggled via Turkey.

But once again; what about the Empire of Chaos?

The Obama administration is essentially fighting — sort of — ISIS/ISIL/Daesh in Iraq, where Washington lost a multi-trillion dollar war. Team Obama never bothered to fight the fake “Caliphate” in Syria — because they were contributing to the “Assad must go” agenda.

Sultan Erdogan – with Ankara at the table in Vienna – is still allowed to have a free-for-all border out of which ISIS/ISIL/Daesh profits handsomely. And the paranoid, Shi’ite-hating House of Saud – with Riyadh at the table in Vienna – is still allowed to shower all manner of Salafi-jihadi goons with all manner of weapons. This is what passes for Obama’s policy in Syria, as the Caliph’s roaring laughter can be heard all the way to Vienna.




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Monday, November 2, 2015 10:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


WAR ON THE GROUND
Russian air support can only go so far. Because of the satellite-guided release-of-dumb-bombs technology that they employ, they can only target fixed points with precision. And since Russia refuses to use imprecisely-released dumb bombs on civilian areas (so far), fighter- and ground-support jets can only go so far in chasing down Toyota pickup trucks, informal supply-lines, and temporary communications-centers. I suppose attack helicopters would work better. I think Pepe Escobar's situation report (sitrep) sums up the ISIS/ al-Qaida decision: Dig in, or hit-and-run?

Truly local rebellion against Assad would probably choose to dig in and defend their homes, but al Qaida, al Nusra, Jabhat, ISIS, and the rest of the Sunni jihadists/ mercs aren't local, I guess I agree that they would choose hit-and-run guerrilla tactics.


And finally

RUSSIAN AIRLINER CRASHES OVER EGYPT, ISIS TAKES CREDIT

The plane was 10,000 meters (30,000 feet, about 5 miles) in the air when it broke apart. That speaks to an unlikely mechanical failure, or a sophisticated anti-aircraft missile of considerable range ... not just a shoulder-fired missile (MANPAD). But, we should wait for the evidence to come in before giving possibly undue credit.

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Both the Russians and the Egyptians have said that ISIS doesn't have such weaponry. (Even if true, that doesn't rule out the Saudis or even the Israelis.) If it turns out to be terrorist-inspired, Russians have experienced terrorism before, including at the Moscow Theater and when 200 children were massacred in Beslan. I think this will just piss them off. Again, if true, it could indicate that ISIS (and Saudi and USA backers) have been stung enough in Syria that they're willing to go to the mat.

ETA: But as more info comes in, apparently the tail section was found quite a bit farther from the debris-field, and the plane had a history of seriously damaging the tail in 2001 during a botched landing. So maybe mechanical failure is the cause after all. We should wait for further evidence.

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Monday, November 2, 2015 10:54 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


With no comment on its veracity

Moderate Syrian Rebels Using Caged Civilians as Human Shields

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Beirut, November 1 (AFP) - A major Syrian rebel group is using dozens of captives in metal cages as “human shields” in the largest opposition stronghold on the outskirts of Damascus, a monitor said Sunday.

Jaish al-Islam, regarded as the most powerful rebel group near the capital, has put regime soldiers and Alawite civilians it was holding in metal cages, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights told AFP.


http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/moderate-syrian-rebels-using-cag
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Tuesday, November 3, 2015 10:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


No comment on its veracity because it is quoted without verification from another source
( http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/u-s-backed-moderate-rebels-put-ala
wite-women-in-cages-to-protect-themselves-from-airstrikes/#prettyPhoto
)

'Moderate' Syrian Rebels Put Women in Cages to Protect Themselves From Airstrikes



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In order to deter the Syrian and Russian Air Forces inside the East Ghouta (collection of farms) region of rural Damascus, the U.S. backed moderate rebels from “Jaysh Al-Islam” (Army of Islam) and the Free Syrian Army (FSA) have placed kidnapped Alawite women in cages to protect themselves from airstrikes.

The U.S. backed Syrian Opposition’s social media activists posted the photos of the six kidnapped Alawite women on Twitter, adding their extra commentary that included sectarian insults to degrade the helpless women and taunt the Syrian President Dr. Bashar Al-Assad.


This is not the first time that the U.S. backed moderate rebels have used the Syrian people as human shields in order to deter airstrikes; however, this blatant disregard for human life has contradicted their alleged ethos to protect the Syrian people and put an end to the government of Dr. Bashar Al-Assad.


http://russia-insider.com/en/syria-moderate-rebels-put-women-cages-pro
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Thursday, November 5, 2015 9:01 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


The USA military has invested heavily in its projection of power via aircraft carriers, and the Russian military has invested heavily in figuring out defensive weapons systems which will make (have already made) those aircraft carriers obsolete.

Report: U.S. aircraft carriers could become ineffective (CNN)
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/03/politics/aircraft-carriers-report-future/
Quote:

The Pentagon's focus on developing a "jack of all trades, master of none" aircraft, while rival countries build technology capable of sinking American carriers, could make these expensive warships ineffective in the coming years, according to the naval expert who authored the report.


I realized that when, during the first Russian-American standoff over Syria, when Russian destroyers anchored athwart the Syrian coast, all American military ships skedaddled right out of the eastern end of the Mediterranean. Looking around the world, do you see American aircraft carrier groups projecting power anywhere at all risky? Near the south China Sea, for example? It seems to me that aircraft carriers are (as China said) just big floating targets: Good for projecting air power over nations that don't have effective anti-aircraft missiles and anti-ship cruise missiles, but that's about it.

A new Chinese anti-ship ballistic missile is bad news for US aircraft carriers (Business Insider)
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In a time when China wants full control of the disputed South China Sea, Beijing has developed a potential carrier-killer: an anti-ship missile called the Dong Feng-21 (CSS-5) that could deal catastrophic damage to US vessels.

http://www.businessinsider.com/chinas-growing-military-power-may-make-
us-aircraft-carriers-obsolete-2015-10



The Mideast? Those cruise missiles, launched from the Caspian Sea and demonstrating an unexpected range, caused our aircraft carrier to backpeddle right out of the Persian Gulf!

As Russia Bombs Syria, U.S. Pulls Aircraft Carrier Out of Persian Gulf (NBC)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-bombs-syria-u-s-pulls-aircraf
t-carrier-out-persian-n440731

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As Russian warships rain down cruise missiles as part of its military strike in Syria, there's now a glaring absence in the region: For the first time since 2007, the U.S. Navy has no aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf.


Yanno, instead of constantly launching personal attacks against ME, why don't you pay attention to actual facts and trends around the world once in a while?


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Thursday, November 5, 2015 4:38 PM

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Listen to comrade troll puff out her chest when speaking about Russian power. The world surrounds you so don't make a mistake.


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Thursday, November 5, 2015 11:13 PM

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Yanno, instead of constantly launching personal attacks against ME, why don't you pay attention to actual facts and trends around the world once in a while? -SIGNY

Quit whining - you deserve it, you bring any personal comments on yourself.

"The world would be better off without you..."
"Do you think anyone is ok with bombing civilians?-GSTRING" "You are.-SIGNY"

Even in this post you insult - get a clue.-GSTRING

This, from the asshole who begins his post

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Wow - is that your husband's web site? It's almost hard to tell if they are being serious.


And continues with

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You post from BS web sites
You have NEVER, and I mean NEVER posted any information. Is it an "opinion" that the Russians prevented the bombing of Syria? That the US aircraft carrier left the Persian Gulf?
Yanno what? Have it your (ignorant) way!

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Friday, November 6, 2015 11:26 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You have NEVER, and I mean NEVER posted any information.



You make such silly statements.

Maybe you thought I made these up? These are real headlines from the site you used for a source:

- "The End of the US Empire – Live on Video!"

- "Dear American 'Liberals': Everything You Think You Know About Russia Is Wrong"

- "US Navy Can Be Sunk"

- "Pathetic Old Fart Calls for Terror Alliance Against Russia and the West"

Those are real. That's who you choose as your information source??? Do you even know what "journalism" is??



Once again SIG suggests posting false nonsensical information stands equal with factual posting. It is amazing how much exposure we have given in these threads for all to see that SIG and 1kiki are Russian trolls. And yet those two still keep at it. That in itself shows how delusional Russians are about their own country. It must be too painful for them to soul search and work towards gaining back the freedoms they almost had.




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Friday, November 6, 2015 11:53 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

You have NEVER, and I mean NEVER posted any information.



You make such silly statements.

Maybe you thought I made these up? These are real headlines from the site you used for a source:

- "The End of the US Empire – Live on Video!"
- "Dear American 'Liberals': Everything You Think You Know About Russia Is Wrong"
- "US Navy Can Be Sunk"
- "Pathetic Old Fart Calls for Terror Alliance Against Russia and the West"

Those are real. That's who you choose as your information source??? Do you even know what "journalism" is??



I know what YOU think of as journalism, I just don't believe that it exists.

Tell me, son, what were your American "journalists" doing on the lead up to war with Iraq? Afghanistan? Libya? Did they bring any facts to your attention, especially facts which MIGHT have dissuaded you from those wars? Or did they just carry the President's water for him?

I just showed you that ONE of the headlines is well-founded in fact, and has been reported in the western press: Yes, USA aircraft carriers appears to have become strategically irrelevant in the face of better defensive weapons. There is nothing wrong, counter-factual, or deceitful in the article as far as I can tell.

So, ONE of the articles, at least, is well-supported, not only by facts but by the western press.

You should go read the other articles. Do a quick search on the important terms and see if they line up with information from other sources. Think about what they say and whether it makes any sense. Look for patterns: What else is the timing consistent with? What do the articles say about the biases of the sources? Does that make the statement more or less credible? Who benefits from reporting the event/ cause/ course of action? Are the means (if any are proposed) consistent with the ends? Is the reported event, allegation, or proposed action even possible/ do-able?

When you have thoroughly discredited the articles, come back to me with your reasoning. Then we can talk about them. Until then, you've brought nothing to the table except emotions, personal reactions, allegations, and (as always) personal attacks. What about trying evidence and reason, for a change?

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Friday, November 6, 2015 12:20 PM

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Quote:

US, allies launch 23 airstrikes in Syria, Iraq

The US and its allies targeted Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) in Iraq with 14 airstrikes on Thursday, Reuters reported. Six of the strikes in Iraq hit tactical and fighting units, bunkers and an assembly area near Sinjar, the US military said on Friday. Four strikes near Ramadi also hit tactical units while destroying sniper positions, weapons, bunkers and a building. Nine airstrikes in Syria struck crude oil collection points and tactical units as well as fighting positions near Al Hawl, Al Hasaka and Abu Kamal.



What I find interesting about this is that Syria has NOT asked the USA for help. OTOH,, Iraq has not asked the USA to leave (although Iraq has also asked Russia for help fighting ISIS). So the USA airstrikes on Syria would probably be considered "illegal" (if that was a consideration at all!) while Russian airstrikes in Iraq would be considered "legal", if anyone in the USA were paying attention to legality.

All of these airstrikes were carried out in the very far northeastern tip of Syria, which kind of projects between southeastern Turkey (mainly to the north) and northwestern Iraq (to the south and east)... far from the Syrian/Iranian/Russian operations which are being carried out in the far western half of Syria.

Since the USA and Russia have already reached an agreement on "deconfliction" I assume that these American operations were carried out with Russia's tacit approval.


The battle against ISIS is going this way and that. Russia is logging about 100 airstrikes a day. While the government army (SAA, Syrian Arab Army) has gained control over the eastern road (and their supply-line) from Damascus to Aleppo, IS has gained control over the last town on the main road (M5) between those two points. There has been no overall movement, as far as I can tell. This appears to be a war of attrition; if Syria/ Russia/ Iran can shut off the supply-lines from Turkey, then IS will eventually run out of ammo, no matter whether they adopt "hit and run", "hit and advance", or "dig in" tactics.

Russia thinks there are about 10,000 - 30,000 foreign fighters (mercs) in Syria. I don't know how they figure that except by examining the bodies and passports of killed enemy combatants, but if true, that would be a huge fighting force. That would also indicate that local support for IS and its various affiliates is not strong.







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Friday, November 6, 2015 12:36 PM

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Allow for the fact that carrier's will use lasers which no conventional missile can out run or out maneuver. Laser's travel at the speed of light.

"The study found that the new high-energy laser “could provide Navy surface ships with a more cost-effective means of countering certain surface, air and ballistic missile targets.”

You're a moron SIG. The type Missile you describe will be as effective as the Scud Missile was in the first gulf war in a decade. And you suggest it is others who should read up on current Military capabilities. Your problem is that you look for propaganda journalism that conforms to your points of view instead of journalism that portrays the truth whatever that truth may be.



http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/world/navy-deploying-laser-weapon-pr
ototype-in-persian-gulf.html?_r=0



P.S. Syria asked America for help years ago in the form of joining in negations with Syria that would allow them to stay in power which in turn would help Syria overcome its opposition.

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Friday, November 6, 2015 1:02 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Allow for the fact that carrier's will use a laser which no conventional missile can out run or maneuver. Laser's travel at the speed of light.
Among the many items that hubby has designed for is high-powered lasers. Many months ago, hubby pointed out a Navy demo of a high-powered laser in ship, hitting a floating target and a target drone.



It was particularly underwhelming to my untrained civilian eye.

Now, I'm sure that the Navy is not going to advertise ALL of the laser's capabilities but I've been told that lasers can send BRIEF surges of high powered beams, but are easily defeated by smoke, fog, and multiple missiles requiring fast recharge rate. Hopefully, the Navy also has much faster targeting than demonstrated, and better control systems that aren't defeated by electronic warfare.

Just sayin'

This could be another F-35 boondoggle.


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Friday, November 6, 2015 1:08 PM

THGRRI


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Allow for the fact that carrier's will use a laser which no conventional missile can out run or maneuver. Laser's travel at the speed of light.
Among the many items that hubby has designed for is high-powered lasers. Many months ago, hubby pointed out a Navy demo of a high-powered laser in ship, hitting a floating target and a target drone.



It was particularly underwhelming to my untrained civilian eye.

Now, I'm sure that the Navy is not going to advertise ALL of the laser's capabilities but I've been told that lasers can send BRIEF surges of high powered beams, but are easily defeated by smoke, fog, and multiple missiles requiring fast recharge rate. Hopefully, the Navy also has much faster targeting than demonstrated, and better control systems that aren't defeated by electronic warfare.

Just sayin'

This could be another F-35 boondoggle.


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First of all if your hubby is working on sensitive information and it's for this country maybe our government would be interested in that. Second, anything you post is an argument against the technology given the link you posted earlier. No news there. They said the same thing about the minuteman defense system.

The Lasers in the video are hitting the targets dead on. The residual splashing is parts flying off the targets. All these systems will be running on automatic targeting at speeds not see in the video.

Again, once the trigger is pulled on a Laser system impact is immediate. Speed of light remember?


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Friday, November 6, 2015 1:30 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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First of all if your hubby is working on sensitive information and it's for this country maybe our government would be interested in that.
No, he's not working for the government. There ARE uses for high-powered lasers besides weaponry!
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Second, anything you post is an argument against the technology given the link you posted earlier. No news there. They said the same thing about the minuteman defense system.
Huh?
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The Lasers in the video are hitting the targets dead on.
Yes, small parts made of thin metal or plastic. Do you really think a laser could damage a hardened warhead?
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The residual splashing is parts flying off the targets.
Yes, I know.
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All these systems will be running on automatic targeting at speeds not see in the video.
But the movement of the laser is slow and lumbering. A lot of grinding and not much motion. Also, the seas were very calm. I presume that the system is computer-controlled and takes into account the motion of the ship. Maybe it only "pulls the trigger" when the laser targeting crosses the flight-path of the target, because there's no way the motion-controller can keep up with the ship's rocking.
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Again, once the trigger is pulled on a Laser system impact is immediate. Speed of light remember?
Duh.

YOUR link said the following:
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WASHINGTON — The Navy is going to sea for the first time with a laser attack weapon that has been shown in tests to disable patrol boats and blind or destroy surveillance drones.


YOUR LINK ALSO said
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Among the limitations, according to the research service, is that lasers are not effective in bad weather because the beam can be disturbed or scattered by water vapor, as well as by smoke, sand and dust. It is also a “line of sight” weapon, meaning that the target has to be visible, so it cannot handle threats over the horizon. And enemies can take countermeasures like coating vessels and drones with reflective surfaces. Navy officials acknowledge that the first prototype weapon to be deployed is not powerful enough to take on jet fighters or missiles on their approach. That capability is a goal of researchers.



You have not addressed any of my points.

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Friday, November 6, 2015 2:15 PM

THGRRI


It's the future SIG and it's well on its way. You suggested that these weapons designed like the old scud missiles suggests ships were outdated. The fact that there weapon systems have to be built and function off the back of trucks shows they can't protect them. Also once turned on it's over. They are visible.

Nope, I'll stick with the future, you can have your past. I haven't looked into it but maybe information and even weapons lasers will be beamed off satellites. Directly onto you scud missiles once activated? If they can see us, we surly can see them.

P.S. All the Lasers have to do is kill the missiles targeting capability.

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Saturday, November 7, 2015 3:18 PM

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There are a lot of things in the works.

Get us the eff out.



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