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interesting find - first on the YouTube homepage ...

POSTED BY: 1KIKI
UPDATED: Thursday, November 19, 2015 01:55
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Sunday, November 15, 2015 1:58 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Sunday, November 15, 2015 9:04 AM

THGRRI

Hey 1kiki, what's it like being Polish, a country overrun by Russians and denied self rule, then realizing you turned out to be a traitor to your homeland, your father and family, and a lapdog for Putin?

Much the same behavior displayed by the rebels in the Ukraine. Except we both know they are Russian migrants backed by Russia don't we.

Migrants welcomed into the Ukraine. No wonder why you are so against migrants. Being one you realize from your perspective they could be backstabbers.

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Sunday, November 15, 2015 10:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Hey 1kiki, what's it like being Polish, a country overrun by Russians and denied self rule, then realizing you turned out to be a traitor to your homeland, your father and family, and a lapdog for Putin?

Huh, don't tell the Poles that! You're about 25 years out of date, troll!

When I compare Putin to Obama (or Bush) the Americans are smarmy. I always feel like they're tying to sell me a used war or something.

One of the things I ask myself (often) is: Who made US the world ruler? What makes US think we can say-- This leader must go, that leader can stay? Don't we expect any pushback from ... anybody? Why do we think we can endlessly bleat about "maintaining world order" while we go about destabilizing dozens of nations? Doesn't anyone realize that we look like the world's biggest hypocrite/bully? Worse, doesn't anyone realize that blowback's a bitch?

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You can't build a nation with bombs. You can't create a society with guns.

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Sunday, November 15, 2015 2:34 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"because you spend so much time looking up "Putin videos""

Oddly enough, I have literally never in my entire life looked for any. And until now have literally never watched any.

But you have such a simple mind, 'G'. OF COURSE you leapt to your 'go to' explanation, which, like your other 'go to' explanations, is complete fantasy. The nearly 1.6 MILLION views it had had nothing to do with it showing up first!

The more you two post, the more you two reveal yourselves to be so hate-filled you've become nuts-jobs, unable to see past your hate to reality. Good. Keep chipping away at whatever credibility you have left. (Though I think THUGGR has pretty much lost it all at this point.)

So keep telling everyone I'm a Russian troll! And a traitor to Poland! And that I live in Russia! And whatever else your fantasies tell you! And keep those ridiculous stories shifting around!

I guarantee, it doesn't make ME look bad.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

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Monday, November 16, 2015 9:52 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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It is *possible* that a Putin video just popped up on your homepage, but more likely it was because of your viewing habits, whether from a specific keyword like Putin, or because others who have see the videos you have seen have also watched Putin videos (sorry - turns out none of us are very unique). I would think someone who is all NSA!!! would understand and be aware that Google Brother is watching and serving up what you see based on what your viewing past has been.

I would think that somebody who is so knowledgeable about how Google works wouldn't have FIRST made the comment about KIKI watching so many Putin videos. With just a little prompting - look! - you found an alternate explanation all by yourself!

The funny thing is, I DO watch Putin videos. And he has never popped up as #1.

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Monday, November 16, 2015 10:14 AM

THGRRI

I don't watch Putin videos and he never pops up. So 1kiki, stop watching Putin videos and this unfortunate incident should not happen again. It must be terrible being spammed by Putin. I'm sure it sucks.

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Monday, November 16, 2015 10:49 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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and now from your own "admission" - that you two are big Putin fans. And therefore... there's a high likelihood...do you really need me to finish that or can you figure it out?

"Watching Putin videos" doesn't make me a Putin fan, any more than "watching Obama videos" makes me an Obama fan. I'm doing what I've always SAID I do: I look at multiple sources. Since I can't count on western media to be any more honest about what Putin says than I can count on Russian media to be honest about what Obama says, I figure it's best just to go to the original sources, wherever they are.

You should really look at Putin's interview with Charlie Rose, and his speech before the UN. He explained very clearly that he would be in Syria to support Assad. And therefore, when the western press makes statements like ... "Despite Putin's claims that he's in Syria to defeat ISIS ...." you would know that Putin made no such claim. If you watched Putin videos. Which, of course, you would never do, because gathering information from multiple sources would besmirch your ideological purity.

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That's a trick question

THAT'S a trick question? Wow, you set the bar pretty low, don'tcha??

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Monday, November 16, 2015 1:50 PM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Putin said in the video, “Why are you threatening us?”

President Eisenhower explained in 1961: “This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.” http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

I would say that the U.S. citizenry has failed to be “alert and knowledgeable” in Eisenhower's sense. On the hand, Putin is paid to notice what Americans won't.

You'd think Americans would notice how much of their money is spent on its military. You'd be wrong. Despite Eisenhower's advice, Americans are less alert and knowledgeable than in 1961. But they are much fatter, which both Eisenhower and Kennedy also warned against. More ice cream and fewer military statistics, please!
www.nbcnews.com/storyline/military-spending-cuts/u-s-military-spending
-dwarfs-rest-world-n37461

http://hardlyaverage.deviantart.com/art/Problematic-Food-310893885

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, November 16, 2015 6:29 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"you listen to things politicians" say

First on MY list of news sources - BBC, NYTimes, CNN. That way I know what I'm supposed to be thinking about, and how I'm supposed to think about it. It keeps me in touch with TPTB's opinions of me, J.Q. Public. Generally I'll scan through Reuters as well. For local news I go to the LATimes.

Every now and again - maybe once a week or so, I'll go over to ZeroHedge. More rarely The Christian Science Monitor. RT almost never.

My reading is SO RADICAL!!!

And my time on YouTube 100% music. It must be my taste in music - Chicago, America, Aerosmith, Don Henley - that marked me as a radical Putin lover!

You guys - are so freakin' stupid it's pathetic.

BTW - Google has recently altered it's search engine to be driven by a 'verity' function. You no longer get the most popular result if it's hogwash. So, for example, you no longer get a link to former Playboy bimbo Jenny McCarthy and the fraudulent vaccine theory when you google autism causes.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 11:15 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Just as I said...
And now you are telling us you listen to things politicians, exKGB say during interviews and speeches in front of media? Talk about setting the bar low.

Shit, DOOD, I'm responding to YOU, aren't I? If you want to talk "low bar" that's a REALLY low bar!

Yes, I listen to what politicians say ... especially Presidents of large nations. You seem to confuse "listening to" with "believing" or "agreeing with".
By "listening to" politicians, it gives me an indication of what "they" want the public to think and therefore what they want to do next.

For example, when GWB and his entire admin was thumping on and on about 9-11, WMD, and Saddam Hussein, the message that I got out of it was: They're planning to go to war. Through all of the moving goalposts during those sham "negotiations" with Saddam (We won't invade if he allows free inspection access to Iraq... to his palaces... he has to step down...) what I got out of THAT was .... They're stalling for time until they have about 500,000 troops built up, and THEN they're going to invade. It was a forgone conclusion.

So, yeah, I listen to Presidents/Prime Ministers and Foreign Ministers/ Scys State of large nations. Not because I believe them, but - like KIKI- I want to know what THEY want us to think. (BTW- NPR is a reliable mouthpiece for the Democratic Party central committee.) It tells me who's in-step in any administration or how much disarray they're in. How surprised are they be an event ... how long does it take to come up with a response? ... or whether this was pre-planned or even false-flag.

You should always be asking yourself: WHY NOW? WHO BENEFITS? If you apply that to Obama, Hollande, Netanyahu, and Merkel as well as Putin, then you can congratulate yourself on being a more objective news-reader.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 12:27 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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No, YOU should always be asking yourself: WHY NOW? WHO BENEFITS? If you apply that to Obama, Hollande, Netanyahu, and Merkel as well as Putin, then you can congratulate yourself on being a more objective news-reader.

I always do, son. In fact, didn't I just give you an example about the run-up to the Iraq war??? Or did you manage to "not read" that part?

I'm highly aware that false flags abound, hence my suspicion about the Syrian sarin gas attack that the west tried to tag on Assad. Also 9-11, which was amazingly convenient for the Bush admin, which had it's Patriot Act and plans of attack (Afghanistan, Iraq) at the ready!

I'm still turning this latest attack in Paris over in my mind, because there is ALWAYS someone who benefits from tragedy. (As far as I can tell the main beneficiary is Assad, but I don't think he masterminded the event. Another beneficiary will be French security services, but somehow I don't think they masterminded this even either.)

I have some speculation here: http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60160 about what may or may not be propelling events.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 1:59 PM

KPO

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

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Originally posted by G:
It's on your youtube first page because you spend so much time looking up "Putin videos" that Youtube thinks you want to see more so it shows you more. In-ter-net

Lols. Reminds me of those web adverts that respond to your browser history, and another forum I was on recently where a guy was like, "What's with that website you linked, it has all these weird porn ads..."

No surprise at all that Putin fangirl videos come up on Kiki's Youtube homepage, but amusing of her to share that fact with us.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:23 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm still turning this latest attack in Paris over in my mind, because there is ALWAYS someone who benefits from tragedy. (As far as I can tell the main beneficiary is Assad, but I don't think he masterminded the event. Another beneficiary will be French security services, but somehow I don't think they masterminded this even either.)

You do realize you just typed that out loud in a public place, right?

To even Imply that somehow France could be behind the attacks is ample prof that she is nuts. I mean really, is there anyone hear besides 1kiki that needs more proof that she lives in a different reality that the rest of us.

If so I think you need to revaluate if you live in the real world or a world determined by others.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:44 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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To even Imply that somehow France could be behind the attacks is ample prof that she is nuts.

Turkey was behind the sarin gas attack that was widely attempted to be pinned on Assad. These things DO HAPPEN, and to NOT consider them is naivete.

I'm turning the attack over in my mind, not because I think France is somehow behind the attack, but because there will be a number of entities that will rush to take advantage of it.

WHO BENEFITS? (Or, who will rush to take benefit?)

FRENCH SECURITY. France just adopted the equivalent of our "Patriot Act". THIS, in a nation which is under Napoleanic law, and "innocent until proven guilty" is NOT in the French vocabulary!

THE USA. Will certainly attempt to use the tragedy to unite various European nations/ entities (like NATO) to possibly put "boots on the ground" in Syria, to take over (or at least tag along) with the Russian anti-ISIL effort and ultimately topple Assad. NATO is a USA-creation, France will not invoke NATO unless cleared by the USA.

RUSSIA. The attack in Paris occurred shortly after the downing of the Russian airliner, which killed 224 people. The Parisian attack was a godsend to Putin, because now- instead of getting snarky comments about jetliners being shot from the sky, and Charlie Hebdo's incredibly tasteless cover on the topic, nobody will demur on Russia's anti-terror response.

ASSAD. Since at least one of the terrorists seem to have come from Syria, the EU will be rushing to stamp terrorism out of Syria.

Expect to see a lot of quick diplomatic, legal, and military moves and reversals as various groups grapple to come out on top of this.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 2:49 PM

THGRRI

Yes SIG because you're nuts. I just posted this in another link but what the heck.

France demands EU invoke mutual-defense clause

Jean-Yves Le Drian, France's defense minister, made the demand in Brussels. EU member nations should help the security situation "either by taking part in France's operations in Syria or Iraq, or by easing the load or providing support for France in other operations," he said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/17/paris-attacks-isla
mic-state-hollande/75913054/

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 3:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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So everyone but ISIS... check.

Not counting the citizens in many nations who have been killed or terrorized by ISIL ... and the innocent Muslims tarred with the same brush. ISIL (I agree with JO, it's a shame to use a perfectly good goddess-name on a bunch of violent, lowlife, zealots and mercenaries.) terror attacks do not benefit it. By engaging in terrorism against - well, everybody ... Syrians, Libyans, Iraqis, Lebanese, Russians, French, Egyptians (ETA: now Germans) etc ... they've painted a very large target on their backs!

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 4:43 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yep. ISIL (I agree with JO, it's a shame to use a perfectly good goddess-name on a bunch of violent, lowlife, zealots and mercenaries.) By engaging in terrorism against - well, everybody ... Syrians, Libyans, Iraqis, Lebanese, Russians, French, Egyptians (ETA: now Germans) etc ... they've painted a very large target on their backs!

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This makes no sense if it pertains to G's question.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 5:29 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

First of all, G didn't post a question.

What he said was ... so the terror attacks in Paris work in everyone's favor EXCEPT ISIL.

With some important exceptions, I agree. But confusingly phrased so I clarified it.

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Tuesday, November 17, 2015 6:07 PM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
First of all, G didn't post a question.

What he said was ... so the terror attacks in Paris work in everyone's favor EXCEPT ISIL.

With some important exceptions, I agree. But confusingly phrased so I clarified it.

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My bad SIG, I thought he was being sarcastic. I only glanced at your post because it was kind of screwy and there for the misunderstanding, or was it?

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Wednesday, November 18, 2015 9:56 AM

THGRRI

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
First of all, G didn't post a question.

What he said was ... so the terror attacks in Paris work in everyone's favor EXCEPT ISIL.

With some important exceptions, I agree. But confusingly phrased so I clarified it.

Your brain is messed up - you change what people say to fit what you want it to.

My comment was to your list of suspects for the Paris bombing - you suggested that it was the work of anyone BUT ISIS. The most backward assumption that could be made, but totally in line with many of your assumptions.

Ahh, I was right SIG. Once again you (as G points out) spun the truth into a lie to suit your agenda.

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Thursday, November 19, 2015 1:55 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Signy - Expect to see a lot of quick diplomatic, legal, and military moves and reversals as various groups grapple to come out on top of this.

'G' - So everyone but ISIS... check.

'G' and THUGGR - you two may have noticed - well, OK, probably not so let me point it out - that ISIS isn't operating by the rules countries with vested interests operate by. Most countries have something to lose. Most leaders are looking forward to the longest most comfortable life they can manage. In aggregate, most other places are trying to gain something they want to have, or to avoid losing something they want to keep, once all the fighting is said and done.

What do you suppose is the ISIS mindset?

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