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The Guardian reported this week:

US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.

As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two.

In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

However, Turkey has openly supported other jihadi groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham, which espouses much of al-Qaida’s ideology, and Jabhat al-Nusra, which is proscribed as a terror organisation by much of the US and Europe. “The distinctions they draw [with other opposition groups] are thin indeed,” said the western official. “There is no doubt at all that they militarily cooperate with both.”

One Isis member says the organisation remains a long way from establishing a self-sustaining economy across the area of Syria and Iraq it controls. “They need the Turks. I know of a lot of cooperation and it scares me,” he said. “I don’t see how Turkey can attack the organisation too hard. There are shared interests.”

While the Guardian is one of Britain’s leading newspapers, many in the alternative press have long pointed out Turkey’s support for ISIS. And experts, Kurds, and Joe Biden have accuses Turkey of enabling ISIS.

Has Turkey Changed Its Ways?

On Tuesday, Turkey proclaimed that it will now help to fight ISIS.

Don’t buy it …

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – asked yesterday:

What is [Turkish president] Erdogan’s ultimate purpose? He hates Assad. He’d love to bring him down. Is that why he’s doing this?

There’s also the Kurds …

As Time Magazine pointed out in June:

Ethnic Kurds—who on Tuesday scored their second and third significant victories over ISIS in the space of eight days—are by far the most effective force fighting ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.

And yet Turkey is trying to destroy the Kurds. Time writes:

Since [Turkey announced that it was joining the war against ISIS] it has arrested more than 1,000 people in Turkey and carried out waves of air raids in neighboring Syria and Iraq. But most of those arrests and air strikes, say Kurdish leaders, have hit Kurdish and left wing groups, not ISIS.

Kurds are an ethnic minority that live in parts of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. They have been persecuted for decades — from Turkey’s suppression of Kurdish identity and banning of Kurdish language to Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons on Kurdish communities. Their leaders, from the numerous different parties and rebel groups that represent them, have long sought an independent Kurdish state encompassing that territory and have fought against their respective governments to try to achieve that.

Hoshang Waziri, a political analyst based in Erbil, says the Kurds’ recent territorial gains in Syria along Turkey’s border and their increasing political legitimacy in the eyes of the West, have made the Kurds a bigger threat to Turkey than ISIS. “The fear of the Turkish state started with the Kurdish defeat of ISIS in Tel Abyad,” says Waziri.

“The image in the West of the Kurds as a reliable ally on the ground is terrifying for Turkey,” says Waziri. “So before it’s too late, Turkey waged its war — not against ISIS, but against the PKK.”

Some see the war against ISIS simply as a cover for an attack on Kurdish groups. Of the more than 1,000 people Turkey has arrested in security sweeps in recent days, 80% are Kurdish, associated either with the PKK or the non-violent Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), says Ibrahim Ayhan, a member of parliament for the HDP.

Ayhan says the AKP needs a state of “chaos” to perusade voters that it is the only bulwark against chaos. As of yet no new government has been formed in Turkey and if that doesn’t happen in the next few weeks, new elections will be called. By that time Ayhad fears many of the leaders of his HDP party will be in jail and some even worry the HDP will be outlawed. At the same time, Erdo?an and his AKP hope they will have shown only they can defend Turkey from internal and external threats.

The Wall Street Journal reports:

Turkey’s military activity against Islamic State does not stem from sudden realizations about threats from ISIS but appears designed to elicit international support for its fight against the Kurds.

The Kurdish Workers’ Party, known as the PKK, was locked in a bloody war with the Turkish state from the mid-1980s until 2013. The cease-fire has, for all intents and purposes, been destroyed. Turkey is battling both ISIS and the PKK under the guise of fighting terrorism. Yet Turkish attempts to conflate ISIS and the PKK–even in the wake of the suicide bombing in a Kurdish border town that killed 32 young people–effectively ask people to overlook some salient facts:

The Kurds are Islamic State’s ideological opposites. The Kurds have been fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq for some time; in particular, the Kurdish People’s Protection Unit (YPG) in northern Syria has been among the most effective forces at repelling ISIS efforts to take control of the Syrian-Turkish border. Kurdish military resistance in Syria and, to a lesser extent, the Kurdish autonomous government in Iraq have shouldered the lion’s share of the ground conflict against Islamic State, standing their ground at high cost and with limited support from the Western coalition.

A declaration of a state of emergency in Turkey would give the Justice and Development Party (or AKP), which lost its parliamentary majority in June elections, more flexibility to crack down on political opponents such as the Kurdish majority People’s Democratic Party. More than 1,300 people have been detained recently under the guise of cracking down on domestic PKK and ISIS elements in Turkey.

The AKP has declared the peace process with the Kurdish separatists dead and is trying to discredit the only recognized political representatives of the Turkish left and the Kurdish population; the Kurdish People’s Democratic Party won a 13% share of the Turkish parliament in the June elections–a sign of its rising popularity not only among Kurds but also with increasingly disgruntled Turkish liberals.

If a governing coalition isn’t formed, early elections will be held. The AKP appears to be hoping for that–under the thinking that a majority of voters would seek to maintain the status quo in a time of uncertainty and potential civil war, and that AKP’s standing in parliament would, in turn, be strengthened.

So Turkey isn’t really going after ISIS … instead, the ruling party is going after its main political threat – the Kurds – and continuing its long-term effort to overthrow Syria's Assad.

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On Friday, we checked in on the Pentagon’s ongoing effort to recruit, vet, and train ambitious "freedom fighters" to join the battle against ISIS in Syria.

It goes without saying that covert US efforts to aid the multifarious groups vying for control of the country have met with disastrous consequences so far, but if there’s anything Washington is particularly adept at, it’s making bad foreign policy outcomes worse, which is why we weren’t at all surprised to learn that the commander of the Pentagon's new Syrian "force" was captured, along with his deputy, by al-Qaeda affiliate al-Nusra last week near the border with Turkey.

The NY Times called the kidnapping "perhaps [the] most embarrassing setback yet," for Washington’s ragtag contingent of volunteer militiamen and indeed, the fact that the Pentagon had hoped to field a "force" of 3,000 men by the end of the year but has so far only managed to train 54 speaks to the futility of the entire effort.

Or perhaps not. It all depends on what the real aim behind the program was in the first place. If the goal was to field a fierce band of well-trained warriors to rout Islamic State, then things aren’t going so well. If, however, the idea was simply to give the US an excuse to get directly involved in facilitating the swift demise of Bashar al-Assad now that his forces have been largely decimated by a three-front war, well it’s mission accomplished, because as WSJ reports, President Obama has now authorized US airstrikes against Assad’s army in the event they interfere with America’s very serious 50 solider effort to combat ISIS. Here’s more:

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Turkey Enabling ISIS

NATO member Turkey has been busted supporting ISIS.

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The Guardian reported this week:

US special forces raided the compound of an Islamic State leader in eastern Syria in May, they made sure not to tell the neighbours.

The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over Iraq last August, was an Isis official responsible for oil smuggling, named Abu Sayyaf. He was almost unheard of outside the upper echelons of the terror group, but he was well known to Turkey. From mid-2013, the Tunisian fighter had been responsible for smuggling oil from Syria’s eastern fields, which the group had by then commandeered. Black market oil quickly became the main driver of Isis revenues – and Turkish buyers were its main clients.

As a result, the oil trade between the jihadis and the Turks was held up as evidence of an alliance between the two.

In the wake of the raid that killed Abu Sayyaf, suspicions of an undeclared alliance have hardened. One senior western official familiar with the intelligence gathered at the slain leader’s compound said that direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking Isis members was now “undeniable”.

“There are hundreds of flash drives and documents that were seized there,” the official told the Observer. “They are being analysed at the moment, but the links are already so clear that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara.”

However, Turkey has openly supported other jihadi groups, such as Ahrar al-Sham, which espouses much of al-Qaida’s ideology, and Jabhat al-Nusra, which is proscribed as a terror organisation by much of the US and Europe. “The distinctions they draw [with other opposition groups] are thin indeed,” said the western official. “There is no doubt at all that they militarily cooperate with both.”

One Isis member says the organisation remains a long way from establishing a self-sustaining economy across the area of Syria and Iraq it controls. “They need the Turks. I know of a lot of cooperation and it scares me,” he said. “I don’t see how Turkey can attack the organisation too hard. There are shared interests.”

While the Guardian is one of Britain’s leading newspapers, many in the alternative press have long pointed out Turkey’s support for ISIS. And experts, Kurds, and Joe Biden have accuses Turkey of enabling ISIS.

Has Turkey Changed Its Ways?

On Tuesday, Turkey proclaimed that it will now help to fight ISIS.

Don’t buy it …

Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – asked yesterday:

What is [Turkish president] Erdogan’s ultimate purpose? He hates Assad. He’d love to bring him down. Is that why he’s doing this?

There’s also the Kurds …

As Time Magazine pointed out in June:

Ethnic Kurds—who on Tuesday scored their second and third significant victories over ISIS in the space of eight days—are by far the most effective force fighting ISIS in both Iraq and Syria.

And yet Turkey is trying to destroy the Kurds. Time writes:

Since [Turkey announced that it was joining the war against ISIS] it has arrested more than 1,000 people in Turkey and carried out waves of air raids in neighboring Syria and Iraq. But most of those arrests and air strikes, say Kurdish leaders, have hit Kurdish and left wing groups, not ISIS.

Kurds are an ethnic minority that live in parts of Syria, Iraq, Turkey and Iran. They have been persecuted for decades — from Turkey’s suppression of Kurdish identity and banning of Kurdish language to Saddam Hussein’s use of chemical weapons on Kurdish communities. Their leaders, from the numerous different parties and rebel groups that represent them, have long sought an independent Kurdish state encompassing that territory and have fought against their respective governments to try to achieve that.

Hoshang Waziri, a political analyst based in Erbil, says the Kurds’ recent territorial gains in Syria along Turkey’s border and their increasing political legitimacy in the eyes of the West, have made the Kurds a bigger threat to Turkey than ISIS. “The fear of the Turkish state started with the Kurdish defeat of ISIS in Tel Abyad,” says Waziri.

“The image in the West of the Kurds as a reliable ally on the ground is terrifying for Turkey,” says Waziri. “So before it’s too late, Turkey waged its war — not against ISIS, but against the PKK.”

Some see the war against ISIS simply as a cover for an attack on Kurdish groups. Of the more than 1,000 people Turkey has arrested in security sweeps in recent days, 80% are Kurdish, associated either with the PKK or the non-violent Kurdish Peoples’ Democratic Party (HDP), says Ibrahim Ayhan, a member of parliament for the HDP.

Ayhan says the AKP needs a state of “chaos” to perusade voters that it is the only bulwark against chaos. As of yet no new government has been formed in Turkey and if that doesn’t happen in the next few weeks, new elections will be called. By that time Ayhad fears many of the leaders of his HDP party will be in jail and some even worry the HDP will be outlawed. At the same time, Erdo?an and his AKP hope they will have shown only they can defend Turkey from internal and external threats.

The Wall Street Journal reports:

Turkey’s military activity against Islamic State does not stem from sudden realizations about threats from ISIS but appears designed to elicit international support for its fight against the Kurds.

The Kurdish Workers’ Party, known as the PKK, was locked in a bloody war with the Turkish state from the mid-1980s until 2013. The cease-fire has, for all intents and purposes, been destroyed. Turkey is battling both ISIS and the PKK under the guise of fighting terrorism. Yet Turkish attempts to conflate ISIS and the PKK–even in the wake of the suicide bombing in a Kurdish border town that killed 32 young people–effectively ask people to overlook some salient facts:

The Kurds are Islamic State’s ideological opposites. The Kurds have been fighting ISIS in Syria and Iraq for some time; in particular, the Kurdish People’s Protection Unit (YPG) in northern Syria has been among the most effective forces at repelling ISIS efforts to take control of the Syrian-Turkish border. Kurdish military resistance in Syria and, to a lesser extent, the Kurdish autonomous government in Iraq have shouldered the lion’s share of the ground conflict against Islamic State, standing their ground at high cost and with limited support from the Western coalition.

A declaration of a state of emergency in Turkey would give the Justice and Development Party (or AKP), which lost its parliamentary majority in June elections, more flexibility to crack down on political opponents such as the Kurdish majority People’s Democratic Party. More than 1,300 people have been detained recently under the guise of cracking down on domestic PKK and ISIS elements in Turkey.

The AKP has declared the peace process with the Kurdish separatists dead and is trying to discredit the only recognized political representatives of the Turkish left and the Kurdish population; the Kurdish People’s Democratic Party won a 13% share of the Turkish parliament in the June elections–a sign of its rising popularity not only among Kurds but also with increasingly disgruntled Turkish liberals.

If a governing coalition isn’t formed, early elections will be held. The AKP appears to be hoping for that–under the thinking that a majority of voters would seek to maintain the status quo in a time of uncertainty and potential civil war, and that AKP’s standing in parliament would, in turn, be strengthened.

So Turkey isn’t really going after ISIS … instead, the ruling party is going after its main political threat – the Kurds – and continuing its long-term effort to overthrow Syria's Assad.

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-07-31/nato-member-busted-supporting
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From the title I thought you were admitting that Obama was an ISIS supporter. But maybe that has not dawned on you yet.

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The United States has close relationships with religiously fundamentalist monarchies across the Middle East. These nations are ruled by monarchs who impose Sharia law: United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia , Bahrain, Qatar (dual legal system), and Kuwait.

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The Hanbali school, known for following the most orthodox form of Islam, is embraced in Saudi Arabia and by the Taliban.

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Not too surprising, Saudi Arabia has used some of it's unimaginable oil wealth to export its religion for the past 40 years (if not more) by building maddrasses in other countries. I recall from my teen years (and that was a long time ago) the fuss that was being made about the many Saudi maddrasses being built in the Horn of Africa, and how the West was simply ceding territory. But that seems not to have been on the minds of TPTB, because they were busy arming the Taliban in Afghanistan. So, at this point, most of the ME is composed of Sunni followers.

Thinking about the nations that we have destabilized or invaded, with the exception of Afghanistan they were all secular: Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt. Now, they are hotbeds of al Qaida.

And, just as a curiosity, with all of those al Qaida cells running around, why have they never attacked Israel?.

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And there you are, making the same mistake as KPO. Are you sure you're not KPO's sock puppet?

I don't rely ONLY on sources, like you and KPO. But I do ask myself - among other things - "Who has the best evidence?", "Who benefits?", and "Why now?", when evaluating a news item's reliability.

In this particular instance, Turkey is a NATO member. Western governments - and therefore the western press - had no particular longstanding grotch against Turkey (as they do with Russia) and therefore no reason to over-report unfavorable news. In fact, if anything, the mainstream western press was VERY quiet about Erdogan's role in transshipping weapons from Qatar and Saudi Arabia to Libya and then back again from Libya to Syria, his role in the sarin gas attack in Syria and his increasingly authoritarian/ Islamicized government at home. You would have to dig deep into alternate sites or foreign media to find that information.

Given that the western press seemed inclined to give Erdogan a pass on just about anything, the fact that they chose to publish THIS piece of negative news makes it more likely.

Well, that and the fact that it was widely reported in the foreign press. But if I had quoted Russian or Iranian or even Kurdish press, you wouldn't have "believed" it. So I chose to quote a site that YOU would deem "reliable".

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

But as far as fighting ISIS???

Not so much!

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Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

But as far as fighting ISIS???

Not so much!

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And there you have it folks. With a little patience SIG gives us her " honest " opinion as to what defines an invasion. A couple hundred troops and 20 tanks. She even placed parenthesis around the word (invaded) to make her point.

News Flash, SIG now agrees, Russia invaded Ukraine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/7/l-todd-wood-turkey-inva
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Do you know the difference between parentheses () and quotation marks ""?

Not so much, apparently.

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Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

But as far as fighting ISIS???

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And there you have it folks. With a little patience SIG gives us her " honest " opinion as to what defines an invasion. A couple hundred troops and 20 tanks. She even placed parenthesis around the word (invaded) to make her point.

News Flash, SIG now agrees, Russia invaded Ukraine.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/dec/7/l-todd-wood-turkey-inva
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Do you know the difference between parentheses () and quotation marks ""?

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Is that the point SIG, or is it your hypocrisy is once again displayed for all to see. I think it's the latter. I think it is also very clear now, that you do believe Russia invaded Ukraine.

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Is that the point SIG, or is it your hypocrisy is once again displayed for all to see. I think it's the latter. I think it is also very clear now, that you do believe Russia invaded Ukraine.

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Well, I see that you've boldly tread where even your buddies fear to tread: Into imbecility.

Quotation marks are used to indicate where someone is DIRECTLY QUOTING another person- ascribing the word(s) not to self but to someone else. In that sense, using quotation marks indicates that the author does NOT agree with or believe the normal sense of a word, and may be using the word in an ironic or disbelieving tone. In fact, that punctuation has a special name: Scare quote.

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I thought everyone knew that. That's why I used quotation marks.

So, there you go, THUGR. Ya learn something new every day. Or at least, you should!

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When you use an exclamation point to end a sentence you are not supposed to also use a period. Look below at the end of your quoted text asshole. Those who live in glass houses should not throw rocks.
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Meanwhile, Turkey is stationing its military in Qatar, and has "invaded" Iraq. ITs troops are now using tanks and troops to sanitize its own Kurdish regions, as the Kurdish leaders visit Moscow. Can you say "civil war"? Sure you can!.

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Now back to the point of my original post. Your deflection is useless. You can't hide behind it. We have a thread here that goes on forever with you denying Russia invaded Ukraine over and over again. You use every act of denial and deflection in the book. Yet, here we have you telling us what you consider an aggressive enough action to warrant being called an invasion. It's a very low bar to meet indeed. So deflect all you want. It is here for others to quote back to you when you try and claim going forward that Russia did not invade Ukraine.

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As a matter of fact. Russia sent in more troops to Georgia than Turkey into Iraq, so you now have to admit Russia invaded them as well.

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I specifically put quotation marks around the word because I think it is NOT an invasion.

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And here I thought the 'ITs' was used to put emphasis on the word IT. Exactly like SOME people will capitalize words for emphasis.

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Hey 1kiki check out SIG's declaration that Turkey invaded Iraq. Considering we are talking a few hundred troops and twenty tanks, I guess you can no longer count on her backing your bullshit that Russia did not invade Ukraine.

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Hey SIG. How about Turkey invading Iraq that way. Some nerve huh?

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Hey SIG. How about Turkey invading Iraq that way. Some nerve huh?

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HEY THUGR: If you're going to "quote" me, just make sure you put the quotation marks around my word "invade". That way, everyone else will know what I mean, even if you pretend like you don't. Or, yanno, continue to be a liar, just like you're doing now.

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Preserved to prevent deletion by a "genius".

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And you can give up trying suggest by quoting invasion you meant it was not. Most everyone else here can read and see right through that bullshit.

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There is a difference between

THUGR is a genius., and

THUGR is a "genius".

Can you detect the difference? If not, I suggest you go to a remedial English class.

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And now, even the USA and it's other "coalition partners" refuse to fly over Syria. Why do you suppose that is?

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Signy didn't make any comments about non-Russian jets flying over Syria in this thread. Are you referring to this?

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The target of that raid, the first of its kind since US jets returned to the skies over

1KIKI
You DO know the difference between Iraq and Syria - right?

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It's a direct quote with a link provided. Here's the who paragraph.

...SIG

Not only are Russian planes flying the same zone, there are no "rebels" left alive down there to shoot at pilots as they drift down on parachutes. Turks now no longer even violate Greek airspace (which they did with impunity before) let alone Syrian airspace. And now, even the USA and it's other "coalition partners" refuse to fly over Syria. Why do you suppose that is?

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After the Russian plane was shot down apparently Russia killed every rebel in that area (got them all) and through sheer intimidation chased the rest of the world out of Syrian air space.

Oops, there are those pesky quotes again "rebels". So SIG, this means you are saying there are rebels left down there?


http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=60254&mid=10061
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Are you scrambled, stupid or drunk?

What you quoted supports Signy's statement, it doesn't refute it.

OK. I'm done with you on this topic. Apparently you prefer to look really incoherent just to keep on posting.

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