Bernie Sanders Discussion Thread by reaverfan

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Winning Michigan last night, in spite of polling predictions that he'd lose by 20%, has shown that Sanders' campaign is growing stronger by the day.

Just like he is getting more youthful looking and, any day now in order to win the general election, will be embracing Christ and throwing aside his Judaism/atheism/socialism.

here are a few exit poll results from Michigan:

Sanders won union households 49-47 percent.

Clinton won voters who think the economy is the most important issue by 51-48 percent.

Among voters who think trade with other countries takes away US jobs, Sanders won 58-41 percent.

Among voters worried about the economy, Clinton won 50-48 percent.

Sanders won a convincing victory among voters who think trade takes away US jobs. But more generally, voters concerned about the economy broke pretty evenly.

The bigger story, perhaps, is that Sanders won a whopping 83 percent of voters under 30. That's a fifth of the electorate. He also won a respectable 31 percent of the black vote. In both cases, this is better than he usually does.

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Wednesday, March 9, 2016 1:23 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Winning Michigan last night, in spite of polling predictions that he'd lose by 20%, has shown that Sanders' campaign is growing stronger by the day.
Just like he is getting more youthful looking and, any day now in order to win the general election, will be embracing Christ and throwing aside his Judaism/atheism/socialism.

here are a few exit poll results from Michigan:

Sanders won union households 49-47 percent.

Clinton won voters who think the economy is the most important issue by 51-48 percent.

Among voters who think trade with other countries takes away US jobs, Sanders won 58-41 percent.

Among voters worried about the economy, Clinton won 50-48 percent.

Sanders won a convincing victory among voters who think trade takes away US jobs. But more generally, voters concerned about the economy broke pretty evenly.

The bigger story, perhaps, is that Sanders won a whopping 83 percent of voters under 30. That's a fifth of the electorate. He also won a respectable 31 percent of the black vote. In both cases, this is better than he usually does.

Sanders didn't campaign too hard in the southern states. He was never going to do well there. Establishment dems, black religious voters who really like the Clintons, Democratic machine workings and just a touch of anti-semitism meant he would choke there even if he tried.

Michigan was different. He actually organized and spent a little money, and voila.

The Bubba vote is all counted. It's on to the blue and purple states, now. The media, of course, just ignore him and fawns over Trump and Clinton.

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Thursday, March 10, 2016 2:31 AM

You know, I'm all for the little guy finally getting a break in this country. Minimum wage, health care, etc. But Bernie sounds more and more
like a broken record. All he continues to say is "Wall Street, Billionaires
and fixed economy."

Granted, those things matter and are part of the landscape, but the country's problems run much deeper than that. Couldn't he at least acknowledge and address some of the other issues facing the American people. Not all will be fixed by changing the economic structure of this
country. I really don't think he's aware of all that is going on here.

SGG

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Didn't see one, so here it is.

Winning Michigan last night, in spite of polling predictions that he'd lose by 20%, has shown that Sanders' campaign is growing stronger by the day.

Huge turnouts. A small-donor campaign fund. A reputation for consistency and decency. A truly progressive agenda.

I think he'll rout Hillary and become our next president. He also beats Trump by a larger margin than Hillary in the polls.

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Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:20 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Couldn't he at least acknowledge and address some of the other issues facing the American people. Not all will be fixed by changing the economic structure of this country. I really don't think he's aware of all that is going on here.

SGG

Bernie has simple, crowd-pleasing answers to every question. He's for X, full stop. He's against Y, end of story. There's no nuance.

On whether Bernie supports fracking: "My answer is a lot shorter. No, I do not support fracking."

On reforming Wall Street: "If a bank is too big to fail, it is too big to exist....Within one year, my administration will break these institutions up so that they no longer pose a grave threat to the economy."

On whether there's even a "single circumstance" in which abortion should be illegal: "That is a decision to be made by the woman, her physician and her family. That's my view."

On prison reform: "I promise at the end of my first term we won't have more people in jail than in any other country."

Bernie hit the rhetorical peak of his career while mayor of Burlington (population 39,000), when he was a staunch critic of U.S. foreign policy in Latin America. As if Burlington mayors make even the tiniest difference in what happened to Latin America. Since then he has never stopped running his mouth and he has never had more power to change the real world than when he was mayor.

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Thursday, March 10, 2016 11:53 AM

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Sanders seems to tolerate the $1.5-trillion albatross, the F-35. Which makes sense if you consider that Vermont could lose a lot of jobs if the F-35 disappeared. Sanders persuaded the jet’s manufacturer to put a research center in Vermont and bring 18 jets to the state National Guard.

The much-maligned F-35 will cost at least $1.5 trillion during the 55 years that its manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, expects it to be flying. That number is up $500 billion from the original high estimate. But with a long list of problems plaguing the stealth fighter, that price will most likely grow.

Thank you, Bernie, for selling out the nation for Vermont jobs.
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/03/02/trump-is-right-about-
defense-spending-and-that-should-scare-you/

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Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:43 PM

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Friday, March 11, 2016 10:07 AM

He wins debate polls by 90% or better, consistently.

If you think all he talks about is billionaires and Wall Street, you need to check out his position on all the other issues.

Don't count on MSM to paint an accurate picture of him. Trump gets 80x the media coverage Bernie gets. They hope that by ignoring him, he'll go away.

He'll be our next president at the rate he's going.

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Friday, March 11, 2016 3:57 PM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know, I'm all for the little guy finally getting a break in this country. Minimum wage, health care, etc. But Bernie sounds more and more
like a broken record. All he continues to say is "Wall Street, Billionaires
and fixed economy."

Granted, those things matter and are part of the landscape, but the country's problems run much deeper than that. Couldn't he at least acknowledge and address some of the other issues facing the American people. Not all will be fixed by changing the economic structure of this
country. I really don't think he's aware of all that is going on here.

SGG

Which issue, that you're concerned about, has he not addressed?

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:43 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The reason why Bernie has only my halfhearted support is because of his foreign policy. He's been in the Senate long enough to have a voting record. I think this sums it up quite well ...

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A report on Yahoo News August 24 raises the question of “How President Bernie Sanders would handle foreign policy.” It begins by taking note of this curious fact: “Bernie Sanders, the Independent senator from Vermont, has a special ‘War and Peace’ section on his official website, detailing his views on issues like Iraq, Afghanistan and the Middle East peace process. Bernie Sanders, the contender for the Democratic presidential nomination … doesn’t.”

The report goes on to detail the positions that Sanders has taken on a range of foreign policy issues, based on his voting record as a congressman and senator. His profile is typical of liberal Democrats, supporting the Clinton administration’s war against Serbia in 1999 and the Bush administration’s invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, while voting against the Persian Gulf War in 1991 and the Authorization for the Use of Military Force against Iraq in 2002. Sanders criticized Obama’s bombing of Libya in 2011—mainly because he did not seek congressional authorization—but backed his bombing of Iraq and Syria in 2014.

Sanders is a down-the-line supporter of the state of Israel, repeatedly endorsing Israeli onslaughts against the Gaza Strip, most recently the savage bombardment of July-August 2014 which killed nearly 2,000 Palestinians, including more than 500 children. At an August 2014 town hall meeting, Sanders notoriously demanded that audience members “shut up” when they questioned his support for Israel’s criminal actions.

He is a vociferous opponent of China in both economic

That's a good thing, IMO

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and foreign policy, and backed the US intervention in Ukraine to foment a coup spearheaded by fascist elements to overthrow the pro-Russian government and set up a pro-Western stooge regime. “The entire world has got to stand up to Putin,” Sanders declared last year, at a time when the warmongering campaign in the US and European media was at its height.-

Better than Hillary? Yes. But that's a VERY low bar to step over!

That link that THUGR posted is excellent. Thanks, THUGR!

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Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:07 PM

Okay, so he won Michigan despite predictions, but as I watch the debates, he's beginning to sound like a broken record.............

Moderator: Flint water supply and the politicos who did a "Titanic" on the residents of the city, how can "we" do better?

Bernie: If Wall Street were to pay for their crimes this wouldn't have happened.

Moderator: Homeland security......blah, blah

Bernie: I'm glad you asked that question, security is important but minimum wage should be $15/hr and then free tuition for all colleges...............

No matter what you ask him or what the topic he always brings it back to his main
themes - Wall Street, economic equality, Hilary and the transcripts, college tuition, Billionaire class. Granted those are important issues, I'm all for someone
from Wall Street going to jail for almost bankrupting the country, but there's more to it than that. Everyone is tired of politics as usual because the billionaires
succeeded in pounding it into our collective psyche.

It's all about control, and they have concocted a brilliant plan. Koch brothers don't fool me, I know that they want to control the majority of people's thinking.
Get 'em all riled up and not thinking clearly about our collective future. Get 'em
hating on each other instead of thinking about what's right for this country. Bernie has some good ideas - a revolution is needed. I'm not sure if he can lead the way.

Funny thing is that the gridlock in Washington is really due to the "outsiders" rather than the "insiders" as the king of all that is wrong with Washington has
so emphatically stated. Just to be clear, that king is Ted Cruz. I should really say, Jester and master of the Tea Party, who have been unusually quiet of late.
Of course, we have the "silent majority," a misnomer if I ever heard one, is
another branch of the Tea Party who are desperately trying to hang on to their privilege and dominance. Of course, I'm speaking in the general abstract of the nation's collective psyche that this country is for a particular group of people,
and that all others are mere interlopers.

Guess again! Generally speaking the Koch Brothers want to maintain the status quo:
namely, remain rich and privileged......no matter what.

SGG

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Didn't see one, so here it is.

Winning Michigan last night, in spite of polling predictions that he'd lose by 20%, has shown that Sanders' campaign is growing stronger by the day.

Huge turnouts. A small-donor campaign fund. A reputation for consistency and decency. A truly progressive agenda.

I think he'll rout Hillary and become our next president. He also beats Trump by a larger margin than Hillary in the polls.

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Saturday, March 12, 2016 9:32 PM

Okay, let's look at one in particular:

Does he really think that breaking up that old gang at Wall Street is going to fix
what took place in Flint?

You may wonder why Flint is on my mind. Here's why: Because Flint could happen
anywhere in the country. Recently they've discovered lead in the water of a school
in Newark, NJ. And in Jackson, MS more of the same.

Yes, he has addressed fixing the country's infrastructure. Bravo! But the president has addressed this almost from the beginning of his time in office, yet nothing has been done. What Bernie has mentioned in his campaigning is nothing new. Again, kudos to him for even mentioning the country's infrastructure. Does he have a specific plan? I haven't heard it.

He's worried about Hilary's transcripts, really!? I always thought that this country admired and revered those who accomplished success and made gobs of money.
Trump for example. But because there's a Clinton after her name............

SGG

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Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know, I'm all for the little guy finally getting a break in this country. Minimum wage, health care, etc. But Bernie sounds more and more
like a broken record. All he continues to say is "Wall Street, Billionaires
and fixed economy."

Granted, those things matter and are part of the landscape, but the country's problems run much deeper than that. Couldn't he at least acknowledge and address some of the other issues facing the American people. Not all will be fixed by changing the economic structure of this
country. I really don't think he's aware of all that is going on here.

SGG

Which issue, that you're concerned about, has he not addressed?

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Monday, March 14, 2016 7:27 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Didn't see one, so here it is.

Winning Michigan last night, in spite of polling predictions that he'd lose by 20%, has shown that Sanders' campaign is growing stronger by the day.

Huge turnouts. A small-donor campaign fund. A reputation for consistency and decency. A truly progressive agenda.

I think he'll rout Hillary and become our next president. He also beats Trump by a larger margin than Hillary in the polls.

How do you view him defeating his greatest opponent - the MainStreamMedia?
They cannot back him over Hilliary.
So how does he pull it off? Even if he gets more delegates, Hilliary will still be annointed the winner.

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Monday, March 14, 2016 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

How do you view him defeating his greatest opponent - the MainStreamMedia?
They cannot back him over Hilliary.
So how does he pull it off? Even if he gets more delegates, Hilliary will still be annointed the winner.

No, she won't

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Monday, March 14, 2016 7:53 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

How do you view him defeating his greatest opponent - the MainStreamMedia?
They cannot back him over Hilliary.
So how does he pull it off? Even if he gets more delegates, Hilliary will still be annointed the winner.

No, she won't

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Monday, March 14, 2016 8:13 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Bernie is a grumpy, dogmatic scold. And his policies - and his presentation (see grumpy, dogmatic scold) - leave many Americans feeling unsettled, rather than hopeful and energized. That he's doing as well as he is is an indictment of Hillary, who I think should have otherwise been a shoe-in for the democratic nomination.

Though my hopes are for Bernie, I think Hillary will get the nomination.

If she gets the nomination, I will NOT be voting for her, no matter who she's running against.

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Monday, March 14, 2016 10:19 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

SGG

"Yes, he has addressed fixing the country's infrastructure. Bravo! But the president has addressed this almost from the beginning of his time in office, yet nothing has been done."

The difference between Bernie and Obama, or Bernie and Hillary, is that Bernie's been walking his talk for a long, long time. His record and his rhetoric are consistent.

Now, whether he'll be able to get anything done is a different question. But I think his intentions are beyond doubt.

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Tuesday, March 15, 2016 3:15 PM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
SGG

"Yes, he has addressed fixing the country's infrastructure. Bravo! But the president has addressed this almost from the beginning of his time in office, yet nothing has been done."

The difference between Bernie and Obama, or Bernie and Hillary, is that Bernie's been walking his talk for a long, long time. His record and his rhetoric are consistent.

Now, whether he'll be able to get anything done is a different question. But I think his intentions are beyond doubt.

If Bernie WINS, it's a fair guess to say that the Dems would also gain seats in Congress, leading to a better possibility of things getting done.

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Tuesday, March 15, 2016 10:23 PM

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Even tho I think Berniez messaj iz getting monotonous and Hillary haz better credentialz for the job, I put in a vote for him today.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2016 1:07 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

If [Clinton] gets the nomination, I will NOT be voting for her, no matter who she's running against.

An idea that's integral to Bernie's political revolution but never required him to win a presidential election --- mobilizing young liberals to vote every two years rather than skipping midterms.

Although young liberals do vote for downballot candidates when they show up to vote in presidential elections, they're not especially engaged with those races, which is why they don't bother voting in midterms.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2016 3:56 AM

Yes, the MSM is doing a fantastic job on all of us. Half the country is going for Trump and the other half for Hilary.................really!?

Everyone blames the MSM for the country's attitude and for the nominees success.
But wasn't it Bernie, despite the MSM touting Trump and Hilary, that defeated her
in Michigan?

Please, that excuse is as tired as Bernie's "Wall Street Bad" montra. A tired old excuse that died along with the Slinky.

On another front; The Donald managed to push back the clock about 50 years to the rocking 60s. The Chicago convention in 1968 was sure rocking as punches and
fists flew all over the place. YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Thems were da good ole days! Back when the Silent Majority was taking their first baby steps, and white sheets were more than a fashion statement. Fuck Yeah! The Donald sure knows how to show "his" people a good time. And, of course, he blames everyone else - Bernie supporters and the MSM - but himself, for inciting a riot, er, I mean, a party. P-A-R-T--Y, because I gotta!

Time sure does fly when your prejudice is showing.

SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Didn't see one, so here it is.

Winning Michigan last night, in spite of polling predictions that he'd lose by 20%, has shown that Sanders' campaign is growing stronger by the day.

Huge turnouts. A small-donor campaign fund. A reputation for consistency and decency. A truly progressive agenda.

I think he'll rout Hillary and become our next president. He also beats Trump by a larger margin than Hillary in the polls.

How do you view him defeating his greatest opponent - the MainStreamMedia?
They cannot back him over Hilliary.
So how does he pull it off? Even if he gets more delegates, Hilliary will still be annointed the winner.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:09 AM

So, his intentions are good and consistent. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, let me see: Obama, as you know, has been blocked and every turn, almost from Day One. So, his intentions are not honorable? He doesn't want to put America to work and rebuild our crumbling infrastructure? And you know this, How exactly?

Bernie has some good ideas, no doubt, but will he be able to accomplish 1/10th of
what he has proposed? I really do wish that Bernie and his Donaldness wins. I want
to see how they will implement their lofty ideas and goals. By the end of Trump's disastrous 1 term, let's see if he actually builds that wall and deports 11 million
people. And Bernie, let's see if he will get Congress to go along with restructuring Wall Street.

I really do hope they win. I'd like to see them succeed. Let's see how far they get.

Elizabeth Warren 2020!

SGG

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
SGG

"Yes, he has addressed fixing the country's infrastructure. Bravo! But the president has addressed this almost from the beginning of his time in office, yet nothing has been done."

The difference between Bernie and Obama, or Bernie and Hillary, is that Bernie's been walking his talk for a long, long time. His record and his rhetoric are consistent.

Now, whether he'll be able to get anything done is a different question. But I think his intentions are beyond doubt.

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Wednesday, March 16, 2016 4:18 AM

That is the Million Dollar Question!

I think the Repubs have done so much damage to their brand that the mid-term elections may swing back the other way. But that's a Big If! Basically, that's the key.........and it doesn't matter if it's Bernie or Hilary at the helm, or, at least, it shouldn't matter.

But, I'm thinking it would be best that Trump win, just so that people won't complain that the fix is in. Plus he'll tank so badly that one of two things will happen: Either the GOP will slowly fade into the sunset, or, you will see the formation of the Independent Party.......Heaven help us!

Maybe both will happen. Please Lord, let Trump win!

SGG

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
SGG

"Yes, he has addressed fixing the country's infrastructure. Bravo! But the president has addressed this almost from the beginning of his time in office, yet nothing has been done."

The difference between Bernie and Obama, or Bernie and Hillary, is that Bernie's been walking his talk for a long, long time. His record and his rhetoric are consistent.

Now, whether he'll be able to get anything done is a different question. But I think his intentions are beyond doubt.

SAGAN: We are releasing vast quantities of carbon dioxide, increasing the greenhouse effect. It may not take much to destabilize the Earth's climate, to convert this heaven, our only home in the cosmos, into a kind of hell.

If Bernie WINS, it's a fair guess to say that the Dems would also gain seats in Congress, leading to a better possibility of things getting done.

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Wednesday, March 16, 2016 11:42 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Either the GOP will slowly fade into the sunset, or, you will see the formation of the Independent Party.......Heaven help us!

Maybe both will happen. Please Lord, let Trump win!

SGG

That Independent Party will not happen. Why? Why is the USA a two party political system? Why only two parties?

Answer: the USA has single member districts. It refuses to use proportional representation. Nearly all democracies with winner-take-all districts tend toward two-party systems. A party that always ends up in 2nd or 3rd place will never get any seats. Zero seats. Why James Madison thought that was good idea for the USA Constitution, I will never know, but now it cannot be fixed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law

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Thursday, March 17, 2016 6:40 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Bernie is a grumpy, dogmatic scold. And his policies - and his presentation (see grumpy, dogmatic scold) - leave many Americans feeling unsettled, rather than hopeful and energized. That he's doing as well as he is is an indictment of Hillary, who I think should have otherwise been a shoe-in for the democratic nomination.

Though my hopes are for Bernie, I think Hillary will get the nomination.

If she gets the nomination, I will NOT be voting for her, no matter who she's running against.

Are you a supporter of "anyone but Hilliary" this year?

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Thursday, March 17, 2016 11:09 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

" So, his intentions are not honorable?"

Not with his neo-CON State Department, spying on us, drone strikes, and pushing those 'free' trade agreements. Those are all on him, and something he has complete control over.

So, no, his intentions are not honorable.

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Monday, March 28, 2016 1:15 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/new_york_times_busted_for_anti_bernie_
bias_the_iconic_clinton_endorsing_newspaper_slyly_edits_article_to_smear_sanders/

New York Times busted for anti-Bernie bias: The iconic, Clinton-endorsing newspaper slyly edits article to smear Sanders
As the media is slammed for anti-Sanders bias, the NYT changes a piece on Bernie's impressive legislative record
Ben Norton

The website NewsDiffs tracks changes in articles in prominent media outlets. The following shows the times of the changes in the headline (original is at the bottom):

Content in the article that shined positively on Sanders was removed as well.

The Times cut out a quote from a longtime adviser who said Sanders’ approach “has been a very successful strategy,” and instead replaced it with two harshly critical paragraphs that suggest he would not be able to succeed at a national level and accuse him of promising voters ” the moon and a good part of the sun.”

A line describing Sanders’ legislative approach as “the liberal mirror image of the Tea Party Republicans who oppose large-scale legislation” was also edited and taken out of context, reducing Sanders’ record simply to “the liberal mirror image of the Tea Party Republicans.”

Moreover, the Times quietly added a phrase that implies Sanders only succeeds “at the margins,” and added a qualifier that weakens a line that calls the Vermont senator an “effective, albeit modest, legislator.”

The Times makes no mention whatsoever of the edits in the piece, and has added no editor’s notes. The newspaper’s public editor, Margaret Sullivan, insisted she would report changes at the Times Public Editor’s Journal. As of 2 pm EST on Wednesday, has not yet done so.

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Monday, March 28, 2016 3:03 AM

I'm tired of hearing about Trump this and Trump that, but Hilary doesn't get half the love Bernie gets in the media. For months I heard nothing but how the crowds were flocking to Bernie rallies. Now, all of a sudden...............boo hoo, we're not getting enough coverage.

And now, the anti-semitism excuse is being thrown in? Give me a break! But surely you've heard the news that there's no more racism in the United States.

So what you are saying is that the South hates Jews. Hmmmmm, I wonder who would
say such a thing? Surely not Trump or anyone wearing white sheets over their
heads.

Funny thing: Why not even try to communicate?

SGG

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Winning Michigan last night, in spite of polling predictions that he'd lose by 20%, has shown that Sanders' campaign is growing stronger by the day.
Just like he is getting more youthful looking and, any day now in order to win the general election, will be embracing Christ and throwing aside his Judaism/atheism/socialism.

here are a few exit poll results from Michigan:

Sanders won union households 49-47 percent.

Clinton won voters who think the economy is the most important issue by 51-48 percent.

Among voters who think trade with other countries takes away US jobs, Sanders won 58-41 percent.

Among voters worried about the economy, Clinton won 50-48 percent.

Sanders won a convincing victory among voters who think trade takes away US jobs. But more generally, voters concerned about the economy broke pretty evenly.

The bigger story, perhaps, is that Sanders won a whopping 83 percent of voters under 30. That's a fifth of the electorate. He also won a respectable 31 percent of the black vote. In both cases, this is better than he usually does.

Sanders didn't campaign too hard in the southern states. He was never going to do well there. Establishment dems, black religious voters who really like the Clintons, Democratic machine workings and just a touch of anti-semitism meant he would choke there even if he tried.

Michigan was different. He actually organized and spent a little money, and voila.

The Bubba vote is all counted. It's on to the blue and purple states, now. The media, of course, just ignore him and fawns over Trump and Clinton.

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Monday, March 28, 2016 3:18 AM

Foreign policy.
That new economy and the job creation within.
Military intervention and deployment.
The Military Industrial Complex (within his New economy).
Climate change policy.
Environmental issues.

To name a few.

SGG

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You know, I'm all for the little guy finally getting a break in this country. Minimum wage, health care, etc. But Bernie sounds more and more
like a broken record. All he continues to say is "Wall Street, Billionaires
and fixed economy."

Granted, those things matter and are part of the landscape, but the country's problems run much deeper than that. Couldn't he at least acknowledge and address some of the other issues facing the American people. Not all will be fixed by changing the economic structure of this
country. I really don't think he's aware of all that is going on here.

SGG

Which issue, that you're concerned about, has he not addressed?

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Monday, March 28, 2016 7:44 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Here is an extended (30 minute) interview with Bernie Sanders by The Young Turks' Cenk Uygur.

One point you never hear about in MSM: Sanders would fare BETTER than Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head against Trump

However, my objection to Sanders still stands: He's pretty much down-the-line supporter of DEMOCRAT'S wars of choice, and a staunch supporter of Israel no matter how horrific Israel's actions. His foreign policy is less overtly hawkish than Clinton, but he still makes poor choices, leading me to think that his considerations about foreign policy are less grounded in reality than in politics.

Also, his call to "elect people who are accountable to the people of the United States" is a flaccid truism.

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Monday, March 28, 2016 2:52 PM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Sanders' position on Israel, albeit not perfect (even though it's improved from 2014 (Telling your audience to "shut up" is probably not the best maneuver.)), is still saner than all the other candidates. Ok, maybe Jill Stein's is slightly better.

A curiosity, Signym: Of all the time you've been on this planet, who(m) is your favorite or least bad presidential candidate?

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Monday, March 28, 2016 5:33 PM

ELVISCHRIST

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However, my objection to Sanders still stands: He's pretty much down-the-line supporter of DEMOCRAT'S wars of choice...

Bullshit. He's one of the ONLY congresspeople to vote AGAINST military intervention at nearly every opportunity.

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Monday, March 28, 2016 6:19 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"and a staunch supporter of Israel"

He's the only major candidate to not speak at AIPAC this year.

http://www.berkeleydailyplanet.com/issue/2016-03-25/article/44283?head
line=-Bernie-Sanders-AIPAC---Tejinder-Uberoi

Kudos to Senator Sanders – the only presidential candidate who had did not grovel before the mighty AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) and offered a far more balanced approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Unlike the other candidates who only offered more of the same, Sanders is the only Jewish candidate who experienced living in a Jewish Kibbutz and took aim at right-wing Prime Minister Netanyahu’s polices of illegal occupation and settlement expansion.

He reminded us that “Gaza’s unemployment today is 44 percent and poverty rate almost as high.” He stressed the need to be successful;” we have to be a friend not only to Israel, but to the Palestinian people.” He called for an end to the occupation and blockade of Gaza and was equally critical of Hamas’s rocket attacks and Israel’s overwhelming response that killed 1,500 civilians, wounded thousands and devastated much of the Gaza’s infrastructure.

This is a man who has a well-calibrated moral compass who speaks his mind but who is not out of his mind like his Republican counterparts. Contrast his message with Clinton’s who only promises to sink billions more into futile wars and American lives. She has a poor record of hasty decisions for regime changes in Iraq and Libya and offers nothing new to end the festering conflict in Israel. Kissinger’s endorsement will come back to haunt her.

Hillary otoh gave a speech that was truly horrifying.

http://time.com/4265947/hillary-clinton-aipac-speech-transcript/

I think we should all give them a hand for being here (young AIPAC members) and beginning their commitment to this important cause. ... Candidates for president who think the United States can outsource Middle East security to dictators ...(hunh?) ... As we gather here, three evolving threats — Iran’s continued aggression, a rising tide of extremism across a wide arc of instability, and the growing effort to de-legitimize Israel on the world stage — are converging to make the U.S.-Israel alliance more indispensable than ever.

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Tuesday, March 29, 2016 2:25 PM

BYTEMITE

I like Bernie. I like his policies - he wants to focus on the domestic front, and help reduce some of the squeeze on the middle class, including up and coming members of the middle class who are struggling against the current economic climate and college debt. He is the only one talking about campaign finance reform and corruption. I trust him more than Hillary, and a lot more than Trump.

I have mixed feelings though. I am not afraid of the sort of mixed economy he promotes, but I am concerned how far reaching policies which consolidate can be used by the power hungry and perpetuated even with the pendulum swinging between parties, like the PATRIOT Act. I don't know how economic and social welfare policies can look in the hands of the power hungry when misused, but I can't imagine it's pretty.

Bernie has pie in the sky dreams that I am not sure how he intends to put into action. It's basically going to be up to his advisors, who may help him or screw him over, and it's going to be up to congress, which can take a good idea and tack on so many additions that it will look like an abomination, no matter which party is the majority.

I'm also unsure about what will happen with Israel with Bernie, but then every candidate feels the pressure from that corner.

Part of me thinks Bernie is the best chance we have for someone not corrupt and insane in the office. Part of me thinks even if we do elect him (or even Trump), it won't matter, because it's other factors that are controlling the future of our society.

And part of me thinks despite the recent wins, and despite me wanting to see more wins from Bernie, he doesn't have a chance, and even back when campaigning started I'm not sure he ever did. I don't think he can steal the candidacy from Hillary. And even if he did, there's factors in Bernie's policies that aren't going to fly well with a lot of Republicans and conservative independents looking for an alternative to Trump.

I think this election is going to be a debacle no matter what happens, and that other countries are looking at us and either laughing, or feeling completely terrified, maybe both.

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Tuesday, March 29, 2016 7:08 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I like Bernie. I like his policies - he wants to focus on the domestic front, and help reduce some of the squeeze on the middle class, including up and coming members of the middle class who are struggling against the current economic climate and college debt. He is the only one talking about campaign finance reform and corruption. I trust him more than Hillary, and a lot more than Trump.

I have mixed feelings though. I am not afraid of the sort of mixed economy he promotes, but I am concerned how far reaching policies which consolidate can be used by the power hungry and perpetuated even with the pendulum swinging between parties, like the PATRIOT Act. I don't know how economic and social welfare policies can look in the hands of the power hungry when misused, but I can't imagine it's pretty.

Bernie has pie in the sky dreams that I am not sure how he intends to put into action. It's basically going to be up to his advisors, who may help him or screw him over, and it's going to be up to congress, which can take a good idea and tack on so many additions that it will look like an abomination, no matter which party is the majority.

I'm also unsure about what will happen with Israel with Bernie, but then every candidate feels the pressure from that corner.

Part of me thinks Bernie is the best chance we have for someone not corrupt and insane in the office. Part of me thinks even if we do elect him (or even Trump), it won't matter, because it's other factors that are controlling the future of our society.

And part of me thinks despite the recent wins, and despite me wanting to see more wins from Bernie, he doesn't have a chance, and even back when campaigning started I'm not sure he ever did. I don't think he can steal the candidacy from Hillary. And even if he did, there's factors in Bernie's policies that aren't going to fly well with a lot of Republicans and conservative independents looking for an alternative to Trump.

I think this election is going to be a debacle no matter what happens, and that other countries are looking at us and either laughing, or feeling completely terrified, maybe both.

Sometimes I wonder.
At what point will the history books decide: THAT was the first insane President.

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Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:32 AM

BYTEMITE

I think we've always given Presidents a lot of leeway in not calling them insane when they were. I mean Lincoln's wife used to do seances in the whitehouse for their dead son and Lincoln allowed it.

But if you ask me, I think the first president we will publicly recognize as insane will be an as yet unknown crazy cat lady.

The secret service will perform security detail for all 50 of them, and the UN meetings where she throws her pets at other world leaders will be a hoot.

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Thursday, March 31, 2016 4:50 PM

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Sometimes I wonder.
At what point will the history books decide: THAT was the first insane President.

If trump wins, it'll be this year.

Others have been crappy, and even downright evil, but Trump is a certifiable narcissist.

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Thursday, March 31, 2016 6:24 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Sometimes I wonder.
At what point will the history books decide: THAT was the first insane President.
If trump wins, it'll be this year.

Others have been crappy, and even downright evil, but Trump is a certifiable narcissist.

Those same things were said about Slick Willy, the First Black President - and also Obama, the Second Black President.

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Thursday, March 31, 2016 7:04 PM

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I think we've always given Presidents a lot of leeway in not calling them insane when they were. I mean Lincoln's wife used to do seances in the whitehouse for their dead son and Lincoln allowed it.

But if you ask me, I think the first president we will publicly recognize as insane will be an as yet unknown crazy cat lady.

The secret service will perform security detail for all 50 of them, and the UN meetings where she throws her pets at other world leaders will be a hoot.

Most people who have risen to the top have quarks of one kind or another. And it is also true that they have risen to the top because of something extraordinary about themselves. Usually family members are of the common breed. Some actually are nuts.

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Friday, April 1, 2016 8:36 AM

Gotta love Bernie

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Friday, April 1, 2016 5:25 PM

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Those same things were said about Slick Willy, the First Black President - and also Obama, the Second Black President.

Yes, but psychologists are all saying Trump is.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/01/a-neuroscientist-explains-trump-has-a-
mental-disorder-that-makes-him-a-dangerous-world-leader/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/stop-walking-eggshells/201511/the
rapists-confirm-trumps-narcissistic-personality-disorder
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/11/donald-trump-narcissism-therapi
sts
http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2016/03/30/donald-trump-narcissis
t-in-chief-not-commander-in-chief/#ea13b8c55959

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Friday, April 1, 2016 5:31 PM

I thought I heard that Hilliary was behind in the polls for New York primary. And it was yesterday, not April Fool's day.

Have I misheard?

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Friday, April 1, 2016 5:33 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Those same things were said about Slick Willy, the First Black President - and also Obama, the Second Black President.
Yes, but

libtards

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are all saying Trump is.

And the real world seems to put him in 3rd place.

But isn't this the Bernie thread?

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Friday, April 1, 2016 11:38 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Ok, maybe Jill Stein's is slightly better. A curiosity, Signym: Of all the time you've been on this planet, who(m) is your favorite or least bad presidential candidate?

I figured it would either be Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders.

Still, it depends on who's running. I doubt Jill Stein will ever be voted in as President! So far, my thoughts are: Vote for Bernie in the primaries. But in the November election, if faced with ...vote for ...

Hillary v Trump > Trump
Hillary v any other Republican > Jill Stein
Sanders v any other Republican > Sanders
Sanders v Trump > ???

I thought this was fun!
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential-quiz
But some people say tis biased for Bernie, which may be true. I took this poll and got unrealistic results, and I know other people who took this pool and got even stranger results. After all, we're counting on the honesty of the poll and its counting, and supposedly this poll was put up by a Sanders supporter.

Now, one of the problems with ISideWith is accurately judging the ACTUAL stances of the various politicians, since politicians work mightily of obfuscate their actual stances! Sanders, for example, votes the "right" way for hopeless cases, but when his vote might really make a difference - for example, on the Pentagon budget - he tends to fold. But he talks and good game, so what does this poll record as his real opinion? Well, it's a little hard to say. OTOH, Jill Stein (Green Party) is very consistent, but she doesn't have a voting record to look at so it's a little hard to decide how she would ACTUALLY perform.

Bernie Sanders' voting record

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/legislation/voting-record

http://mosquitocloud.net/like-it-or-not-bernie-sanders-congressional-v
oting-record

I stumbled across a voting record website that would allow you to parse votes by issue (eg defense) but can't find it now. IF I can find it again, I'll post it. A comparison to Hillary would be useful.

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One thing I heard was a very convincing argument that the ONLY arena where Presidents might make a difference is in foreign policy. For a number of reasons, their effectiveness is blunted in domestic issues. So if you're going to judge a candidate on their POV, look hardest at their foreign policy opinions/ record.

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Sunday, April 3, 2016 10:14 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

REALLY?

Bernie Sanders Wins the Nevada Caucus After All

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After the Clark County Democratic Convention, Bernie Sanders has flipped his close Nevada caucus loss to a win at the convention stage. The Sanders campaign pulled out a victory in Nevada’s most populous county at this weekend’s convention at the Cashman Center in Las Vegas.

Las Vegas Sun reporter Megan Messerly confirmed the final delegate count, showing Sanders had flipped Clark County in his favor.

After realignment: 2,386 Clinton, 2,964 Sanders, & 7 uncommitted. 5,357 total.

— Megan Messerly (@meganmesserly) April 3, 2016

The other most populous county, Washoe County, ended with 1050 delegates for Sanders and 833 for Clinton. It is unclear at this time exactly how many more delegates Bernie Sanders has picked up, as the final results will not be decided until the state convention in May.

The Clark County Democratic Convention was full of controversy from the beginning. But to give the full context of the controversy, it’s important to understand how the convention process works.

Delegates come in three forms:

* Elected delegates, which were selected at precinct caucuses.
* Alternate delegates, which were also named at the precinct caucuses,
* And unelected alternate delegates, who can become official delegates in the event a precinct’s elected delegates or alternate delegates don’t show.

The Credentials Committee for the Clark County Democratic Convention determines who exactly qualifies as a bona fide delegate in the event an unelected alternate steps in to become an official delegate. The committee is made up of four members appointed by Clark County Democratic Party Chair Chris Miller, with two representatives for Hillary Clinton and two representatives for Bernie Sanders in the interest of fairness.

On Friday night, accusations of cheating came from both sides, which resulted in the attempted removal of credential committee chair Christine Kramar.

“We caught the Hillary campaign cheating, we caught the Nevada Democratic Party secretary cheating,” said Angie Sullivan, another member of the credentials committee for the Clark County Democratic Convention. “When it was apparent Bernie started winning, they really turned up the heat.”

Sullivan alleges that the Clark County Democratic Party (CCDP) was sharing information with the Hillary Clinton campaign that was not being shared with the Bernie Sanders campaign, and this is why Kramer copied a Sanders campaign contact on an email correspondence with CCDP officials and Clinton campaign officials.

However, Clinton campaign attorney Marc E. Elias told a different story in a threatening email sent to CCDP Chair Chris Miller. Elias ordered Miller to remove Kramar from the credentials committee due to her sharing allegedly proprietary information belonging to the Clinton campaign with the Sanders campaign.

But Kristal Glass, a Sanders delegate who was also a member of the credentials committee, told US Uncut that Kramar was simply acting as an independent arbiter in accordance with party bylaws by making sure all parties were included in conversations about the convention.

“It was her job to make sure everything was fair leading up to the Friday night early registration,” Glass said. “[Kramar] CC’d the Sanders campaign about a conversation happening that they weren’t included in, which was against the convention process.”

Then, Glass alleged that Michelle White, political director for Hillary Clinton’s Nevada campaign, was pressuring volunteers at the registration site to register alternates as delegates.

“We had a member of a campaign walking around with a computer showing volunteers, saying, ‘They’re approved, so go ahead and add them,'” Glass told US Uncut. “It has to be brought to the credentials committee to vet the entire thing, that’s what our responsibility is.”

“You don’t change the rules at the 11th hour to favor your candidate,” Sullivan said.

After Kramar reminded the Clinton campaign and CCDP officials of the party bylaws, all hell broke loose when CCDP officials attempted to act on the orders received from Marc Elias to remove Kramar as chair by calling an executive session.

“The Sanders campaign attorney came by and told Christine, ‘They had some meetings about you and they’re going to remove you,’ they said they didn’t like her tone, and all of these excuses, and it was just lies to get the delegate count their way,” Glass said. “They wanted all the people who came to the caucus as alternates so they could be converted over.”

Video recorded by Angie Sullivan shows the entirety of the attempted meeting, which didn’t end up occurring after sustained pressure from observers:

More at http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-nevada-democratic-caucus/

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Monday, April 4, 2016 3:50 AM

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

Maybe Bernie taking Nevada will make up a little bit for Hillary magically winning all six coin tosses in Iowa.

Find here the Serenity you seek. -Tara Maclay

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Monday, April 4, 2016 5:14 AM

"One point you never hear about in MSM: Sanders would fare BETTER than Hillary Clinton in a head-to-head against Trump"

That is a flat out fairy tale, in other words BULLSHIT!

Bernie is interviewed as much, if not more often than Hilary. I watch the news and they often mention how well he fares against Trump and that he
does so better than Hilary. He's often interviewed on MSNBC, most particularly by Rachel Maddow. Chuck Todd often refers to his "political
map" and he shows the poll numbers and how Sanders is doing. So don't give me that MSM media bias crap.

Besides how can the media be against all the candidates at the same time.
Trump complains all the time about media bias against him, as does
Bernie's camp. And, although the media covers Hilary's missteps with a
particular glee, her campaign rarely, if ever, complains about media bias.
So, is the media against all candidates - that's the way it should be.
Adversarial watchdogs.

Just last week they covered Bernie's victory speech, almost in it's entirety. Yeah the media is bias alright. Not that they are without fault.
They have been the major contributor to Trump's rise in the polls. But
he is his own worst enemy, so that won't last. Besides the media is mainly
made up of trends, Trump was trending for a while, but, since the Sykes
radio interview, that has changed. Now you find them following a new
blueprint. Now they are challenging Trump. There is media before Sykes
(never fact checking or challenging his statements) and there's media
after Sykes (now they question and challenge away).

Charlie Sykes is a conservative radio talk show host, based in Wisconsin, who showed the rest of the media how it's done.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/03/28/listen-to-what-happens-when-donald
-trump-gets-asked-real-questions-by-a-media-interviewer/

Here's the interview with Trump:

Why is it trending now? Because news outlets don't want to look bad and
seem bias (there goes that word again); they don't want to be out-scooped.
So now the latest is to pressure Trump and challenge, fact check and not let him control the interview (as they had previously allowed because it
brought in ratings; he was basically the Golden Goose). Yes, ratings
which equals money (this, above all, is the driving force as Les Moonves
admitted)

Clip from Talk Show host Thom Hartman:

I actually saw an morning interview, on the Today show, where both Matt
Lauer and Savanah Guthrie double teamed the Donald and employed the "new"
tactic. Something that they should have been doing all along. As long as the Donald was "making" news, and consequently bringing in the
cashy-money, all was good. Now with his latest fascist comments and
obvious stupidity, it doesn't bode well for the networks to be "allowing"
his Donaldness free access and unfettered exposure. Now he's popular, but for an entirely different reason - still, the networks make money.

Isn't it ironic? Bias no, money-making, yes!

SGG

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Monday, April 4, 2016 6:58 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Last week Bernie was on Colbert. Bernie starts at 5:15 into the video.

First, the Sanders campaign needs to stop feeding the right-wing disinformation machine. Engaging in innuendo suggesting, without evidence, that Clinton is corrupt is, at this point, basically campaigning on behalf of the RNC. If Sanders really believes, as he says, that it’s all-important to keep the White House out of Republican hands, he should stop all that – and tell his staff to stop it too.

Second, it’s time for Sanders to engage in some citizenship. The presidency isn’t the only office on the line; down-ballot races for the Senate and even the House are going to be crucial. Clinton has been raising money for other races; Sanders hasn’t, and is still being evasive on whether he will ever do so. Not acceptable.

Oh, and the Sanders campaign is saying that it will try to flip superdelegates even if it loses the unpledged delegates and the popular vote. Remember when evil Hillary was going to use superdelegates to steal the nomination? Double standards aside, what makes the campaign think that he will get any backing from a party he refuses to lift a finger to help?
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/31/heres-why-a-b
ernie-sanders-victory-for-the-nomination-would-make-him-a-hypocrite/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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