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Wisconsin Speaks

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Thursday, April 7, 2016 5:47 AM

The Donald got trounced in the Wisconsin primary, but look who they voted for
Ted "Dickface" Cruz.

What a predicament!!!

Good on ya! Wisconsin!

SGG

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Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:49 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

What a predicament!!!

Good on ya! Wisconsin!

SGG

Trump is falling short of the 1237 delegates he needs.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/rep
ublicans/

If nobody gets 1237 delegates by June 7th, when the final states (California, New Jersey) vote, there will have to be a competition to decide who will run as President. I think a dance-off would be athletic enough. Any other suggestions? Shoot baskets? Skeet shooting? Weightlifting contest doing the clean and jerk? I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would win the lifting. He qualifies as a Republican and Governor and he, with enough lawyers, could finesse the Constitutional requirement to be born in the USA. The Panamanian John S. McCain did in 2008! The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen", and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. Arnold was naturally born (no Caesarean section for that big baby) and he is a citizen, so it is obvious to any paid lawyer that Arnold is a "natural born/Citizen".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Arnold_Schwa
rzenegger

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 7, 2016 7:55 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The Donald got trounced in the Wisconsin primary, but look who they voted for
Ted "Dickface" Cruz.

What a predicament!!!

Good on ya! Wisconsin!

SGG

Wisconsin had a closed primary.
So maybe you will be happy that more people voted for Hilliary & Bernie than voted for the Republican side.

Whoops - that was how it trended the whole night, but looks like at the end the Rs had 100,000 more than the Ds. But Ds can pull out more than that margin with turnout.
About 1 million votes on each side.
Wisconsin population - about 5.7 million. Figure about 4 million voting age.

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Friday, April 8, 2016 5:52 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

Dems notorious for skipping the primaries and coming out n droves for the general
election. It's the reason why, along with voter suppression, that the Repubs won
the House and Senate last midterm.

But good ole Ted won by double digits. It's more a vote against Trump than
for Ted.

New York will be interesting.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The Donald got trounced in the Wisconsin primary, but look who they voted for
Ted "Dickface" Cruz.

What a predicament!!!

Good on ya! Wisconsin!

SGG

Wisconsin had a closed primary.
So maybe you will be happy that more people voted for Hilliary & Bernie than voted for the Republican side.

Whoops - that was how it trended the whole night, but looks like at the end the Rs had 100,000 more than the Ds. But Ds can pull out more than that margin with turnout.
About 1 million votes on each side.
Wisconsin population - about 5.7 million. Figure about 4 million voting age.

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Friday, April 8, 2016 5:55 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

His Donaldness would prefer an Insult Off...........he would win the nomination
if the RNC would promote it, but they would probably pick a Hair Off with Ted
& Donald.

Bwah ha ha!

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

What a predicament!!!

Good on ya! Wisconsin!

SGG
Trump is falling short of the 1237 delegates he needs.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/rep
ublicans/

If nobody gets 1237 delegates by June 7th, when the final states (California, New Jersey) vote, there will have to be a competition to decide who will run as President. I think a dance-off would be athletic enough. Any other suggestions? Shoot baskets? Skeet shooting? Weightlifting contest doing the clean and jerk? I think Arnold Schwarzenegger would win the lifting. He qualifies as a Republican and Governor and he, with enough lawyers, could finesse the Constitutional requirement to be born in the USA. The Panamanian John S. McCain did in 2008! The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen", and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. Arnold was naturally born (no Caesarean section for that big baby) and he is a citizen, so it is obvious to any paid lawyer that Arnold is a "natural born/Citizen".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born-citizen_clause#Arnold_Schwa
rzenegger

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 8, 2016 8:09 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Horse race is headed toward a train wreck

Charles Krauthammer says Trump has become a force that hasn’t lost much of its momentum despite losing in the Wisconsin primary.
www.nationalreview.com/article/433806/donald-trump-wisconsin-primary-s
olid-core-support

Yes, the big Wisconsin story is Ted Cruz’s crushing 13-point victory. And yes, it greatly improves his chances of denying Donald Trump a first-ballot convention victory, which may turn out to be Trump’s only path to the nomination.

Nonetheless, the most stunning result of Wisconsin is the solidity of Trump’s core constituency. Fundamentalist Trumpism remains resistant to every cosmic disturbance. He managed to get a full 35 percent in a state in which:

• He was opposed by a very popular GOP governor (80 percent approval among Republicans) with a powerful state organization honed by winning three campaigns within four years (two gubernatorial, one recall).

• He was opposed by popular, local, well-informed radio talk show hosts whose tough interviews left him in shambles.

• Tons of money was dumped into negative ads not just from the Cruz campaign and the pro-Cruz super PACs but from two anti-Trump super PACs as well.

And if that doesn’t leave a candidate flattened, consider that Trump was coming off two weeks of grievous self-inflicted wounds — and still got more than a third of the vote. Which definitively vindicated Trump’s boast that if he ever went out in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shot someone (most likely because his Twitter went down — he’d be apprehended in his pajamas), he wouldn’t lose any voters.

The question for Trump has always been how far he could reach beyond his solid core.

His problem is that those who reject him are equally immovable. In Wisconsin, 58 percent of Republican voters said that the prospect of a Trump presidency left them concerned or even scared.

Cruz scares a lot of people, too. But his fear number was 21 points lower. Moreover, 36 percent of Wisconsin Republicans, facing a general-election choice between Hillary Clinton and Trump, would either vote Clinton, go third party or stay home.

Trump did not exactly advance his needed outreach with his reaction to the Wisconsin result: a nuclear strike on “Lyin’ Ted,” as “a puppet” and “a Trojan horse” illegally coordinating with his super PACs (evidence?) “who totally control him.” Not quite the kind of thing that gets you from 35 percent to 50 percent.

Not needed, say the Trumpites. If we come to Cleveland with a mere plurality of delegates, fairness demands that our man be nominated.

This is nonsense. If you cannot command or cobble together a majority, you haven’t earned the party leadership.

John Kasich makes the opposite case. He’s hanging on in case a deadlocked convention eventually turns to him, possessor of the best polling numbers against Clinton. After all, didn’t Lincoln come to the 1860 convention trailing?

Yes, and so what? The post-1968 reforms abolished the system whereby governors, bosses and other party poo-bahs decided things.

In the modern era, to reach down to the No. 3 candidate — a distant third who loses 55 of 56 contests — or to parachute in a party unicorn who never entered the race in the first place would be a radical affront to the democratic spirit of the contemporary nominating process.

A parachute maneuver might be legal, but it would be perceived as illegitimate and, coming amid the most intense anti-establishment sentiment in memory, imprudent to the point of suicide.

Yet even without this eventuality, party suicide is a very real possibility. The nominee will be either Trump or Cruz. How do they reconcile in the end?

It’s no longer business; it’s personal. Cruz has essentially declared that he couldn’t support someone who did what Trump did to Heidi Cruz.

He might try to patch relations with some Trump supporters — is Chris Christie’s soul still for sale? — but how many could he peel away? Remember: Wisconsin has just demonstrated Trump’s unbreakable core.

And if Trump loses out, a split is guaranteed. In Trump’s mind, he is a winner. Always. If he loses, it can only be because he was cheated. He constantly contends that he’s being treated unfairly. He is certain to declare any convention process that leaves him without the nomination irredeemably unfair. No need to go third party. A simple walkout with perhaps a thousand followers behind will doom the party in November.

In a country where only 25 percent feel we’re on the right track and where the leading Democrat cannot shake the challenge of a once-obscure dairy-state socialist, you’d think the Republicans cannot lose.

You’d be underestimating how hard they are trying.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, April 11, 2016 8:08 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

At least this election was the first Honest election in Wisconsin in many decades, with Voter ID required for the first time.

Dems will need to get by without one stage of the rampant voting fraud they have become accustomed to. The other stages will require some time to straighten out.

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Tuesday, April 12, 2016 7:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

For those interested, some follow up points about the Primary in Wisconsin.
Sorry if I don't finish this today.

The current delegate totals seem to be:
Trump - 755, needs 482 for majority.
Cruz - 545, needs 692 for majority.
Rubio - 171.
Kasich - 143.
Total of 858 remaining delegates.

Wisconsin had it's largest Primary voter turnout in 44 years, since 1972.

There were less than 300 voters had inadequate form of I.D.

During the course of the night's election results coming in, the more than 55% for Cruz dwindled until it ended about 48%. One of the networks called the election right away with Cruz at 50% overall.

For most of the period when vote tallies were coming in, the extrapolation had the total for Hilliary/Bernie coming in about 200,000 more than the votes for the GOP primary - and at the end the swing jumped so that the GOP group finished up with 100,000 more than the Dem group.

The heavy Trump area, showing greater percentage of votes per ward for Trump than Cruz, was in the top western and western part of the state. Ashland and Bayfield counties were to 2 heaviest in the state, and they are in the Duluth (MN) media bubble. The rest of the west gets their media from Twin Cities (Minn/St. Paul). But they are sparsely populated.

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Wednesday, April 20, 2016 6:46 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Yesterday was the NY Primary, where Trump got about 524,000 votes, compared to about 531,000 votes that Cruz garnered in WI.
For Cruz' 531K he got about 36 delegates, and for Donald's 524K he got about 95 delegates. If Trump continues trumpeting about fairness, perhaps he should fairly hand over half his delegates to Cruz.

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Monday, April 25, 2016 7:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The current delegate totals seem to be:
Trump - 755, needs 482 for majority.
Cruz - 545, needs 692 for majority.
Rubio - 171.
Kasich - 143.
Total of 858 remaining delegates.

Current:
Trump - 846, needs 391 for majority.
Cruz still would need 692 for majority, but only 674 remain available.
Trump needs 61% or the remaining delegates to get 1237.

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Tuesday, April 26, 2016 6:45 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Figures from the exit polling on Wisconsin Primary day were reported.
The matchups between Hilliary, Bernie, Trump and Cruz result in only one tight race, almost a dead heat - that is Hilliary vs, Cruz.
All the rest the Dems walk away with huge margins - Hilliary vs. Trump, Bernie vs. either Trump or Cruz.

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Wednesday, April 27, 2016 7:51 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The current delegate totals seem to be:
Trump - 755, needs 482 for majority.
Cruz - 545, needs 692 for majority.
Rubio - 171.
Kasich - 143.
Total of 858 remaining delegates.

Current:
Trump - 846, needs 391 for majority.
Cruz still would need 692 for majority, but only 674 remain available.
Trump needs 61% or the remaining delegates to get 1237.

Currently looks like Trump has 987, needing 250 for majority.
And Cruz with 562.
But Trump has run out of New York Suburb States with which to shoo him in.

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