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"Putin is great," "Ukrainians are Fascists," "Europe is decadent": Savchuk, 34, listed the main messages she was told to put out on Internet forums after responding to a job advertisement online. Every morning, she says, she would get assignments for the day, a list of subjects on which to comment and ideas to propagate. "Ukraine has approved a reform plan to secure IMF aid" was the title of one recent assignment that Lyudmila had kept on her cellphone.

"Ukraine has approved a reform plan to secure IMF aid" was the title of one recent assignment that Lyudmila had kept on her cellphone.

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The instructions were for her to respond to the potentially positive Ukrainian news story with negative comments, such as "For the Ukrainian government, military needs are more important than those of the people."

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The online onslaught of identical, often abusive Internet comments discrediting Russia's opponents, and especially the United States, while hailing the Russian government, began even before Russia's standoff with Ukraine.”

The instructions were for her to respond to the potentially positive Ukrainian news story with negative comments, such as "For the Ukrainian government, military needs are more important than those of the people."

The online onslaught of identical, often abusive Internet comments discrediting Russia's opponents, and especially the United States, while hailing the Russian government, began even before Russia's standoff with Ukraine.

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SIGNYM:

It seems clear to me that the USA, the EU, and NATO are doing everything they can to provoke a war with Russia. This includes providing political cover and cookies and photo-ops with John McCain for Ukraine’s neo-Nazis, personally insulting Putin, breaking negotiated agreements with Russia, endlessly threatening sanctions, and lying in the press (with fake photos, fake flyers, and false reports).

The latest entry into the “provoke a war” campaign is the IMF. The IMF seems intent on pitting Ukraine into a death-match with Russia by threatening their loan status: Fight, or else your loan conditions will be ‘renegotiated’. Since Ukraine’s economy is hanging on ONLY by this thread, the IMF’s statement is an existential threat to the Kiev government.

At this juncture, there’s no point in trying to figure who is behind all this. With the entry of the IMF (and for all I know, the remainder of the troika: the European Commission and the European Central Bank ECB) into the fray, this is clearly a well-coordinated plan, with the USA and the EU and the IMF alternately taking turns to push the project forward, creating no discernable division of interest between them.

Until recently, the Kiev government has been reluctant to mobilize its army because the army itself is probably divided; there have been reports of “security forces” defecting to the east. Instead, the Kiev government has been trying to create citizen militias… pro-Nazi groups and other irregular forces to take the place of the army.

Since the IMF has threatened to renegotiate the loan status, Turchinov, the unelected President of Kiev… oops, I mean Ukraine… has reinstated the draft. I can't imagine what liberal pro-western Ukrainians are thinking now... "Doubled gas prices? Halved pensions? And now the draft???"

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Ukraine unrest: Kiev 'helpless' to quell parts of east
Ukraine's acting President Olexander Turchynov has admitted his forces are "helpless" to quell unrest driven by pro-Russian activists in the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk. Mr Turchynov said the goal was now to prevent the unrest spreading.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27222023

Ukraine crisis: Russian flags fill May Day rally
Thousands of protesters carrying Russian flags filled the street of Donetsk on Friday, as part of a May Day rally.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27241740

IM F : $17 bn loan would need overhaul if Ukraine loses east
The IMF says its just-announced $17 billion rescue program for Ukraine would have to be overhauled if the country loses control of the economically important eastern region to pro-Russian separatists.
https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/imf-17-bn-loan-overhaul-164648824.ht
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Ukraine crisis: Kiev reinstates conscription
Ukraine's acting President Olexander Turchynov has reinstated military conscription to deal with deteriorating security in the east of the country. The move, announced in a decree, came as pro-Russia militants seized the regional prosecutor's office in the eastern city of Donetsk.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27247428]

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There you go again. Letting the people responsible for these problems off the hook because all you want to do is blame those who are trying to help.

You never did answer where it is you come from. You have however proved your ignorance on all subjects under the sun and your inability to stop yourself from proving it.

Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

It is as plain as what you say is wrong, everything about what you speak is based on your hate.

I followed the first link and saw nothing of what you speak. It is the Ukraine along with everyone else blaming Russia.

I am done with trying to cut you slack. To continue discussing this or anything else with you would only mean there is something wrong with me.
You are a disappointment.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57955

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The link is to the NBC report SIG references about British and American trolls working for our perspective governments. =THUGR

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Personally I want my government looking into what is posted on the internet.

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Including all its sources for distributing information. I.E. YouTube, Twitter and so on.

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I want them to spy on and harass those who utilize these sites to push agendas of hate, lies and disinformation

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I saw nothing in the article that comes close to suggesting that Britain and the United States has the same agenda as the Russians.

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An agenda so corrupt that they kill journalists and close down independent news outlets creating a system of State run news outlets only.

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Hilary’s [sic] speech yesterday about the dangers Trump poses to this country.

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It gives insights into why SIG and 1KIKI attack THUGR thumps her relentlessly and who they are as people he is as a person.

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I for one don’t like the ideologies of these two. They are in league with the racists, bigots

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and isolationists whose philosophies represent our darkest past

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To quote Clinton;

“A man with a long history of racial discrimination, who traffics in dark conspiracy theories drawn from the pages of supermarket tabloids and the far reaches of the internet, should never run our government or command our military.”

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I just have to add... THUGR, the reason why you so quickly and unthinkingly betrayed our nation's ideals and the Constitution on which we are founded is because you don't know what you stand for. You haven't given it a moment's thought.

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You're as conditioned as one of Pavlov's dogs, who were trained to salivate whenever a bell rang altho no food was in sight: The minute our political leadership wants you to stand up and cheer for "our team" you grab your pompoms. The moment our political authorities paint someone as an "enemy" you want to go to war. It doesn't matter whether the reasons are good reasons, or bad ones, or even completely made-up ones (which is the case most of the time) you unthinkingly jump.

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But somehow, despite the fact that you have been fooled time and time again into supporting wars which should have never even been fought, that doesn't seems to prevent you from jumping onto the NEXT bandwagon and supporting our next act of aggression.

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Yanno, I love my country, I really do. I love the ideals that it was founded on, and I would love to see us be a real force for good in the world, or at least not a force for harm. Instead, what I see is us rampaging through the world, killing hundreds of thousands (if not millions), drunkenly creating failed states wherever we "intervene", letting loose the scourge of jihadism and cravenly supporting the Saudis and other repressive regimes because our almighty dollar is threatened.
Name one of our foreign intervention success stories in the past 30 years, I dare you.
It sickens me and make me angry to see our leaders, so corrupt, cynically destroying so many and so much.

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I have not supported any wars here.

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Just to make this pellucidly clear

By his own post, THUGR certainly brings up the question WHO is the aggressor? Russia or America?"
Again, by his own post it looks like THUGR is the aggressor and Russia is the peace-loving nation.

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Just as an aside, the reason why I name THGRRI "THUGR" is because.... aside from the fact that his chosen nom de plume is such an unmemorable jumble of letters it looks like he fell asleep on the keyboard ... "THUGR" acts like a thug. All he knows how to do is attack, attack, attack, in the dumbest way possible.

Thought, and rational discussion, seem to be out of his repertoire.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I have not supported any wars here.
And yet, you posted a picture of someone who wants peace as a criticism of us. You're trying to make the point that wanting peace is so heinous, only pro-Russian trolls could possibly want peace.

And you don't want peace. So you want war. That's your argument.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I desperately hoped you learned something from this encounter.

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to humiliate you online or drive you from Fireflyfans. This site is a great resource. Just chalk up my aggressive reaction to frustration and exasperation. Assume it's my fault, not yours.

What you are reacting to, IMHO, is FEAR.

Fear of Russia, I think.

But, what is the source of your fear?

I've tried to get you to express WHAT you're afraid of ... where you feel threatened, or where you feel we are threatened by Russia http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=60755

Unlike the fear that some of our posters felt after 9-11 ... which was a truly traumatic event unanticipated by many and which left some of our family with PTSD ... I believe that fear of Russia is (almost) entirely synthetic. Because when people who are vehemently aggressive about Russia but can't even express WHY they're afraid, then all I can imagine is that the fear is conditioned.

So I invite you to imagine the worst. Give form to your fears, and write them down. In detail. Every day.

When you feel that you have honed your fears to their essence, let us know.

Or not. Clearly, it's up to you what you express on the board.

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War and terrorism have become increasingly routine facts of life in America. Since 2001, this reality has become an essential tool for stimulating popular support for American Presidents. The mechanics of how this support is cultivated and mobilized are now fundamental to Washington's day-to-day agenda. At the same time, Washington's new (and sometimes novel) approach to warfare, which runs through the conflicts in Georgia, Crimea, the Donbas region of southeastern Ukraine, Syria, and now Turkey, have become central to the future development of American domestic and foreign policy....

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War and terrorism have become increasingly routine facts of life in America. Since 2001, this reality has become an essential tool for stimulating popular support for American Presidents. The mechanics of how this support is cultivated and mobilized are now fundamental to Washington's day-to-day agenda. At the same time, Washington's new (and sometimes novel) approach to warfare, which runs through the conflicts in Georgia, Crimea, the Donbas region of southeastern Ukraine, Syria, and now Turkey, have become central to the future development of American domestic and foreign policy....

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Fixed it for you.

Everything that has been written about Russia's so-called evils is magnified 10X by the USA.

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Again, bashing America while defending Russia. You're too dimwitted to understand that I am not posting to bash Russia. I keep telling you I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol, and you just can't help yourself.

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Again, bashing America while defending Russia. You're too dimwitted to understand that I am not posting to bash Russia. I keep telling you I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol, and you just can't help yourself.

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In other words, you really don't care to discuss any REAL WORLD EVENTS, you're simply trying to get a rise out of me?

In other words, you are a troll. You just said so.

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Wait - I just posted a very lengthy article about Russia's use of war as a political tool and all you had to say was, "US is worse." I suspect you don't understand the word "discuss." Did nothing in that article ring true to you?

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No, I said you are the troll and that is why you chose and post the subject matter you do.

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...the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion, often for their own amusement.

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I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol-THUGR

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
I just can't anymore. I can't put up with the stupid ass republicraps fucking it all to hell, the trolls, the lunacy. There is nothing to be learned from RWED or comment sections in general.

G, Jo, Thgrri, yer all decent folk. Get out while you can.

I'm going to do my damndest to stay out of RWED. I didn't even post about Trump putting evangelicals in charge of educational issues, and that makes me want to hunt people down myself.

I hope Repubs get the war they want and they send all their kids to go off to get murdered. It seems to be what they live for anyway...

Yep, I've hit THAT point...

Have a good war so you can brag about it on your tombstone.

"Here's lies a moron tool of a shitstained government, may he rest in pieces."

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

Just because you really don't "like" or agree with what I post doesn't make me a "troll". It just makes me someone with opinions that you don't like.

On the other hand, posting to simply aggravate people is being a troll, in all definitions of the word.

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That's what you just admitted to, no?

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I am posting to expose you as a Russian Troll. lol-THUGR

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I think it's time you disabused yourself of that pleasant little fairy tale about our fearless leaders being some sort of surrogate daddy or mommy, laying awake at night thinking about how to protect the kids. HA! In reality, they're thinking about who to sell them to so that they can get a few more shekels in their pockets.

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Apparently the public humiliation of being put into Troll Country wasn't enough to make THUGGR wake up, smell the coffee, and look in the mirror (to seriously mix metaphors).

People can learn to ENJOY causing pain (or at least thinking that they are) to others who are on an opposing 'team'. In other words, they can learn to enjoy being sadists. Well, that's THUGGR. Troll. Sadist.

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I'm sorry, but I really did not like a number of MSM outlets (CNN) saying essentially, "IF those are classified documents that would be terrible breach of security!" Duh! Of course! But don't say that unless you know! It hurts their credibility and right now we need an EXTREMELY CREDIBLE press. That's one of the few positive things I thought President Trump might contribute: pissing the press off so much it inspires them to be great again.

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Well, the board will be poorer without your unique voice, WISH. Fare well, and come back if/when you can.

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Every time you come back you get worse.

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55 Savushkina Street, last known home of the Internet Research Agency. Credit James Hill for The New York Times


The Agency

From a nondescript office building in St.
Petersburg, Russia, an army of well-paid “trolls”
has tried to wreak havoc all around the Internet
— and in real-life American communities.


By ADRIAN CHENJUNE 2, 2015


The Columbian Chemicals hoax was not some simple prank by a bored sadist. It was a highly coordinated disinformation campaign, involving dozens of fake accounts that posted hundreds of tweets for hours, targeting a list of figures precisely chosen to generate maximum attention. The perpetrators didn’t just doctor screenshots from CNN; they also created fully functional clones of the websites of Louisiana TV stations and newspapers. The YouTube video of the man watching TV had been tailor-made for the project. A Wikipedia page was even created for the Columbian Chemicals disaster, which cited the fake YouTube video. As the virtual assault unfolded, it was complemented by text messages to actual residents in St. Mary Parish. It must have taken a team of programmers and content producers to pull off.

Who was behind all of this? When I stumbled on it last fall, I had an idea. I was already investigating a shadowy organization in St. Petersburg, Russia, that spreads false information on the Internet. It has gone by a few names, but I will refer to it by its best known: the Internet Research Agency. The agency had become known for employing hundreds of Russians to post pro-Kremlin propaganda online under fake identities, including on Twitter, in order to create the illusion of a massive army of supporters; it has often been called a “troll farm.” The more I investigated this group, the more links I discovered between it and the hoaxes. In April, I went to St. Petersburg to learn more about the agency and its brand of information warfare, which it has aggressively deployed against political opponents at home, Russia’s perceived enemies abroad and, more recently, me.

Savchuk’s revelations about the agency have fascinated Russia not because they are shocking but because they confirm what everyone has long suspected: The Russian Internet is awash in trolls. “This troll business becomes more popular year by year,” says Platon Mamatov, who says that he ran his own troll farm in the Ural Mountains from 2008 to 2013. During that time he employed from 20 to 40 people, mostly students and young mothers, to carry out online tasks for Kremlin contacts and local and regional authorities from Putin’s United Russia party. Mamatov says there are scores of operations like his around the country, working for government authorities at every level. Because the industry is secretive, with its funds funneled through a maze of innocuous-sounding contracts and shell businesses, it is difficult to estimate exactly how many people are at work trolling today. But Mamatov claims “there are thousands — I’m not sure about how many, but yes, really, thousands.”

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Never heard of him. Don't give a shit.

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He's been posted about a dozen times in these threads yet you don't know who he is. That's very telling.

T

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