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I've heard Academy Award winner Robert Redford might be think of going abroad to Norway or Ireland to escape the restrictions and changes during the Bush dynasty and I've heard that Actress Kim Basinger might be considering to try and escape to Canada or Germany, she may get to escape the Bush dynasty... luck for some.

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Originally posted by TauSetiPrime:
You make it sound like people are using some sort of underground railroad to leave the country. No one needs to 'escape' this country. They are simply choosing to leave.

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Originally posted by TauSetiPrime:
... I understand that people disagree with a lot that is going on, and they have every right to do so. But, making it sound like people need to smuggle themselves out of the country because of political oppression is simply inaccurate.

Just my 2 cents


oh and by the way....its spelled "fascist".

They didnt call it the dark ages because it was dark.

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Originally posted by Rabit:
Uh, no offense, but it really isn't that easy. Leaving the country is one thing, but you can't stay in another country without a reason - they simply won't let you. If you want to stay, you have to either have a visa or gain citizenship, if I understand correctly. And different countries have different rules. If I read the documentation right when I went to Canada last week, in the case of Canada you can only stay for six months as most.

These folks are looking for someone to give them a legally viable way to stay in their country long enough to avoid the damage that Bush is going to do to the USA.

Unfortunately, I personally think that the damage that he's going to do is going to last for the rest of our lives, and is going to hurt the entire world, so I don't see much point in running... But hey, that's just me.

Rabit

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Actually, it was dark in the dark ages. A "mini-ice age" around the 5th century.

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And don't be a spelling Nazi.

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BTW, some actors have lost thier jobs because of thier comments about the Bushites. Bill Mahar for example. Not to mention various actors who are now on HS Terrorist lists.

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??? HAHAHA! Ohio can take Canada!

We simply haven't the population. If the US occupied Canada no one would complain. We'd invite you in for tea. Really... silly thread.

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
I'm going to give it a year maybe a little more but if I start to see things going dark in this country I'm running to Canada

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??? HAHAHA! Ohio can take Canada!

We simply haven't the population. If the US occupied Canada no one would complain. We'd invite you in for tea. Really... silly thread.

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The U.S. tried once and failed

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Originally posted by Hero:

(Please note: most of the above is done in jest. I greatly admire the Canadian people, who have proven themselves noble allies, brave soldiers, fine craftsmen, and ok hockey players. And I like the French Canadians much more then I like the French. Viva Quebecois, I think North America could use another country. Our current disagreements aside, we are better friends then enemies. But it is ham, not bacon.)

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Actually, it was dark in the dark ages. A "mini-ice age" around the 5th century.

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Really? Ive read much on World History, and I've never heard of this. How long did it last? The Dark ages usually refers to a period of 500-700 years after the fall of the Roman Empire.

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I tried to find it, but I couldnt seem to find what Bill Mahar did (or said) that got him fired. Can you help me out?

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Bill lost his whole TV show when he made comments about the 9/11 highjackers being brave, if crazy. His was prolly the best known instance of the media falling over itself to please it's corporate masters who, in turn, are Bushites (as all corporations are).

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Canadian sub adrift after fire
Tuesday, October 5, 2004 Posted: 5:46 PM EDT (2146 GMT)

OTTAWA, Ontario (Reuters) -- A Canadian submarine was drifting without power in heavy seas off the coast of Scotland on Tuesday night after a fire knocked out its diesel engines and injured nine crew members.

HMCS Chicoutimi, one of four trouble-plagued secondhand submarines that Canada bought from Britain, was on its way to Halifax with 57 people on board when the fire broke out in an electrical panel.

A senior Canadian official, speaking at 2:10 p.m. (1810 GMT) Ottawa time, said a British towing vessel would take between 12 to 14 hours to reach the submarine.

"The boat is without power and has only limited means of communicating at this time," Navy Commodore Tyrone Pyle told reporters in Halifax, saying winds in the area were greater than 30 knots (35 mph, 55 km/h).

"The seas are rough and with the submarine on the surface they (the crew) are going to have some discomfort from rolling and tossing," Pyle said, answering "No" when asked whether there had been any danger of losing the craft.

Although the fire was quickly put out, the submarine had to surface to get rid of the smoke. Nine crew members suffered the effects of smoke inhalation.

The Chicoutimi is non-nuclear powered and carries no nuclear warheads. Canada does not have nuclear weapons.

Pyle said the submarine was 125 miles (200 km) west of the Scottish coast. A British spokesman earlier said the craft was some 80 miles (135 km) off the northwest Irish coast.

A Royal Air Force Nimrod patrol plane and three Royal Navy ships were on their way to the scene in case an evacuation was needed, but this was unlikely, the British spokesman said.

The fire is the latest in a long line of problems to hit the submarines, which have been plagued by serious mechanical mishaps such as cracks in the diesel exhaust valves and a number of leaks. They are mostly confined to port.

Ottawa insists it got a good deal when it agreed to buy the second-hand submarines from Britain for C$750 million ($595 million) in 1998. But opposition legislators say the purchase reflects incompetence by the Liberal government.

"I do not believe we purchased substandard equipment ... the price was very attractive to Canada," said Defence Minister Bill Graham, who nevertheless admitted that the fire was an "important problem."

"Other ships have had fires in the past and no doubt there will be fires on board ships in the future -- this is something that our professional mariners are capable of managing ... There are risks in being in our Navy," he told reporters.

Graham said the submarine would return to the Scottish port of Faslane for a detailed probe into the fire.

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Originally posted by piratejenny:
To all you Canadians out there, If the U.S becames a Facist nation under the Bush administration, to you guys fear the U.S

and do you plan on protecting your democracy, I'm going to give it a year maybe a little more but if I start to see things going dark in this country I'm running to Canada

I predict that within two to six months they will at least be talking about the draft, I have a brother and if I get a whiff of any draft being implemented it might be sooner then that

so I'm just curious as to what Canadians think about whats going on in this country

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Originally posted by JaynezTown:
Yeah..I did recall those Canucks actually beating the US in some little border war...I think the USA was busy with Mexico at the time and the Canadians started kickin once the US tried to expand further north....not sure when it happened but it's some war you'll find Canadians rubbing in the faces of the US from time to time

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Originally posted by Hero:

Kerry was the draft guy. I don't understand why it got put on Bush.

Bush: "Military is right size"
Kerry: "We need a larger army"
Republicans: "No draft"
Democrats (Led by a prominant black House Democrat): "Here a bill authorizing a draft"


Good thing I voted for Bush. I definately oppose a new draft.

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Yeah..I did recall those Canucks actually beating the US in some little border war...I think the USA was busy with Mexico at the time and the Canadians started kickin once the US tried to expand further north....not sure when it happened but it's some war you'll find Canadians rubbing in the faces of the US from time to time

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Um, it was a touch more than a border war. You better check a history book. After all, we *did* burn down the white house.

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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:

Thirdly, the US being able to invade Canada successfully is a laughable idea. We are *far* to big for you guys to do it. Especially since you can't even control a country the size of Iraq. Especially since the world would have none of it and would come and help instantly (it's nice to be liked ). So, yes, we'll protect our country, along with *a lot* of help.

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Originally posted by Hans:
While Americans can't just waltz into Canada and become permanent citizens, it's not that hard to work here if you have certain skills. There are many jobs listed under NAFTA that make it easy to cross the border and get work for extended periods of time (if not permanent citizenship). As a Canadian I'd welcome with open arms any Americans who want to come north. Of course, that would make the remaining population in the US even more extremist.

It's easy to fall back on knee jerk anti-Americanism these days. I need to remind myself that the US is a huge, diverse, dynamic country with many people who are not right-wing fundamentalist nut jobs. Of course, if all the democrats and liberals and progressives headed north then the US really would turn into the quasi-fascist state that many fear. A better solution then leaving your country might be finding some way, any way, to counter the rednecks and war-mongers that have taken your great country hostage.

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Kerry was the draft guy. I don't understand why it got put on Bush.

Bush: "Military is right size"
Kerry: "We need a larger army"
Republicans: "No draft"
Democrats (Led by a prominant black House Democrat): "Here a bill authorizing a draft"


Good thing I voted for Bush. I definately oppose a new draft.

H

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If you took one second to know the background of the whole draft situation you'd know that the pro-draft bill was introduced as a protest.

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p.s. Why is it important to you to point out that the democrat was black?

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Bill lost his whole TV show when he made comments about the 9/11 highjackers being brave, if crazy. His was prolly the best known instance of the media falling over itself to please it's corporate masters who, in turn, are Bushites (as all corporations are).

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Was this on broadcast? cable? Ive only been able to gleen bits and pieces from the sites that I have read, but it seems to point more to advertising being pulled than Bush's influence in corporate America (which, I agree with you, is trully Bush Country).

Surely, you can see that this is not a popular position to be taken.....

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[BWith that said..It's laughable to even think that we would ever invade/attack Canada. Not only do we consider Canada a friend but also an ally in arms. Perhaps that is the reason why Canada's military is virtually non-existent. They don't need to have one.

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Bill lost his whole TV show when he made comments about the 9/11 highjackers being brave, if crazy. His was prolly the best known instance of the media falling over itself to please it's corporate masters who, in turn, are Bushites (as all corporations are).

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Was this on broadcast? cable? Ive only been able to gleen bits and pieces from the sites that I have read, but it seems to point more to advertising being pulled than Bush's influence in corporate America (which, I agree with you, is trully Bush Country).

Surely, you can see that this is not a popular position to be taken.....

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Well, to put Bill Mahars comments in context - he was answering something on the news where the 9/11 highjackers were refered to as cowards. Mahar pointed out they aren't very cowardly considering they died for thier beliefs. This got him the boot.

Sure, it might not have been the smartest, or funniest, thing to say but then... in America ... people are supposed to be free to speak thier minds without fear of loosing thier jobs.

This is the same as blacklisting actors in the McCarthy era. Fascism.

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If Canada is worried about the US, they had better start investing in some modern technology ROFLMAO... I feel sorry for their military more and more every day.

I particularly liked the one quote "There are risks in being in our navy." LOL

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If you say something stupid and inflammatory (no matter whether it was misunderstood or not), be prepared to get the boot.. There's no law on the books or in the Constitution , that says that your job is protected regardless of what you say or do.

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Originally posted by Connorflynn:

Puhhhhllleassse...

Firstly, If the world was so appalled by the US going into Lil ole Iraq and didn't come running to Iraq's aid..what makes you think they would come running to Canada's aid, if the US had a legitimate (or illegitimate) reason to invade?
Hell I'd give the UN approximately a decade before they got around to making a decision about what to do about it. At which point it would be moot.

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Secondly,

Here’s a look at Canada by the numbers.

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Actually, anyone IS free to say what is on their minds..however, if it is considered dually offensive and inflammatory then the person who spoke the words must ultimately have to accept the consequences.

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If you say something stupid and inflammatory (no matter whether it was misunderstood or not), be prepared to get the boot.. There's no law on the books or in the Constitution , that says that your job is protected regardless of what you say or do.

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That's a good point but I must point out that loosing your job for your political beliefs is against the law. It's called discrimination.

Whether that applies to Mahar might be arguable but I'm of the belief that he did nothing outside of his job as a comedian/host of a chat show.

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??? HAHAHA! Ohio can take Canada!

We simply haven't the population. If the US occupied Canada no one would complain. We'd invite you in for tea. Really... silly thread.

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There are many of us who WILL fight, imagine them trying to racially profile white guys, who speak like them, who are familar with their culture.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
peacenik ? whereever did you get that idea ?

I spent five years in the infantry training for war,

As for 911, so what. US foriegn policy has killed people around the world by the hundreds of thousands, perhaps you should quit your crying more and more people around the world are starting to think Bin Laden has a point.

I don't care what the rest of the world does, I don't care about anyones individual politics, the way I see it people can and should be held accountable for the actions of their country. While I might even call a few Americans friend, if that war happens ANYONE who lives south of my border is a target.

Personally, I'm glad Bush was elected. It should isolate your country further, make people around the world hate your frigging country that much more.



" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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It's fine to hold the people of a country responsible for their actions. But to hold anyone single individual responsible? I don't know about that. You way of thinking makes me think of people who say "Kill all of them ragheads" - just another bunch of ignorant folks who can't think rationally.

Now, it maybe that you were thinking that and the wrong words just came out of your mouth. But it's all the same here from reading what you have there.

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Originally posted by Jasonzzz:

It's fine to hold the people of a country responsible for their actions. But to hold anyone single individual responsible? I don't know about that. You way of thinking makes me think of people who say "Kill all of them ragheads" - just another bunch of ignorant folks who can't think rationally.

Now, it maybe that you were thinking that and the wrong words just came out of your mouth. But it's all the same here from reading what you have there.

And I don't know if we were thinking of "holding those people in Nagasaki responsible for the actions of their imperial Army". I think we were pretty much mad as hell and that was the only thing we could do to generate the biggest shock and bring the war into their country.

If there isn't any personal accountability, then why do we have war crimes and war criminals. Why didn't we just toast Germany in entirety?

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It is the nature of war, look at WW2 for example. Surely not everyone who died at Hiroshima, or Nagasaki supported the war, but they were held accountable for the actions of Japan. Or the Hundred years war between Britain and France, anyone on the other side was an enemy, personal beliefs are not taken into account. Nor should they be. Are you more responsible to your target when you fire a single bullet, or a nuke ?

You pay taxes, you contribute to the state making war on me. Why should I hesitate to pull that trigger ?



" Looking for a place to happen, making stops along the way "

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:
" I think we were pretty much mad as hell and that was the only thing we could do to generate the biggest shock and bring the war into their country. "

As are the enemies you are fighting now, so by your logic 911 was justified ?

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:


" If there isn't any personal accountability, then why do we have war crimes and war criminals. Why didn't we just toast Germany in entirety? "

Funny that, the winners get to decide what was a crime, and who is guilty of such. I suppose the trick is not to lose, or die fighting.

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:


And in my view, the US is full of lemmings running towards a cliff. The road you are taking in the world today will end you, maybe not tommorow or next week, but eventually...

" Looking for a place to happen, making stops along the way "

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Originally posted by GinoBiffaroni:


You pay taxes, you contribute to the state making war on me. Why should I hesitate to pull that trigger ?

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