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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Signy - doing research - that's a great concept! Someone should tell the media about it. Maybe it can adopt that idea too.

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“I spoke at DIA last month,” the former secretary of state wrote in a hacked email released this summer. “Flynn got fired as head of DIA. His replacement is a black Marine 3-star. I asked why Flynn got fired. Abusive with staff, didn’t listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc. He has been and was right-wing nutty every [sic] since.”

Those who know Flynn best say the roots of his enmity towards Obama and Clinton —and his startlingly enthusiastic embrace of Trump — dates back to his abrupt dismissal from the DIA, the Pentagon’s intelligence-gathering arm and a longtime bureaucratic rival to the CIA.

In 2012, Flynn proposed overhauling the agency so it would maintain a network of covert operatives to expand its network of overseas spies, according to a long article I co-wrote in Foreign Policy about the fight. The move infuriated the CIA, which worked hard to stop the creation of what could have ultimately come to rival its larger and better-known cadre of covert operatives.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Lazy reporting. Given the lack of detail about the broad scope of each individual's history - settling for previously-reported three-word characterizations - I suspect they got their 'news' directly from other recently published 'news' that was just as superficial.

I hope they're doing better than they did for the election. But we won't know until after-the-fact. Or, given how bad reporting is nowadays, maybe not even then.

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Signym, at least you got the loyalty to Trump thing right, but you got the Neocon thing wrong. Michael Flynn, NatSecAdvisor, is a scary nut, not the scourge of Neocons. - SECOND

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Yanno, I'm just going to point out that after calling Flynn a "scary nut", and being asked for specific information (quotes, events) that would support that characterization, SECONDHAND (as usual) has nothing to add.

That's because she downloads her opinions direct from the MSM onto the board. If not for the download, SECONDHAND (whose opinions are always secondhand and not an original thought among them!) would not have anything to post at all.

Hey Granny, use the Google.- GSTRING

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“I spoke at DIA last month,” Powell wrote in a July 19 email exchange with his son. “Flynn got fired as head of DIA. His replacement is a black Marine 3-star. I asked why Flynn got fired. Abusive with staff

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didn’t listen, worked against policy

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bad management

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etc. He has been and was right-wing nutty every [sic] since. I watched about five minutes on line of his talked [sic] and switched off.”

The Washington Post reported when Flynn was forced out of the DIA that “critics said that his management style could be chaotic” and he clashed with other senior intelligence officials. Flynn, when was being vetted as a possible vice presidential candidate for Trump, wrote in the New York Post that the “military fired me for calling our enemies radical jihadis.” In a profile of Flynn last month, the Washington Post spoke to a former senior U.S. intelligence official who disputed Flynn’s characterization of his firing, saying it was “about turbulence and a destructive climate” during his tenure

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Originally posted by G:
Powell obviously had reasons for his remarks, or do you think he was just making sh*t up?

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Originally posted by G:
This is how bad journalism happens. From 2 wikipedia links and another web site ...

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Originally posted by G:
Kiki assumes because it fits what her view of what she wants the world to be

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Originally posted by G:
which suggests that he couldn't possibly be right about Flynn

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There was plenty of evidence - it's in his resume and life experience.

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You seem to need a lot of hand holding Kiki, or maybe you just don't want to understand?

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Originally posted by JO753:
My impression uv Trumps picks iz that they are jokes; az if he knowz they arent going to matter for sum reazon.

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When he pick Perry for the um, uh, what's the name? Energy Secretary, I thought that we were being punked. "He's flipping us the bird with that one." I imagined a call from "the East" saying something like, "Muh huh huh, that was good one." It's like he's seeing how much he can do to really piss off all the people who didn't vote for him. I keep waiting for Palin. Follow the Trump logic: Secretary of Agriculture is still open, he only has one woman so far, she's from Alaska where they have lots of land (land = agriculture in Trump world). And he could delight in all the whining and crying the left leaning media pundits would do. Seriously, gonna happen. You heard it here first.

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Originally posted by G:
No, actually his resume and the various jobs he's held are facts.

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Originally posted by G:
From these positions he has gained great experience, much more than you could from checking out 3 web links - another fact.

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Originally posted by G:
... followed by a side of Kiki acting like a dullard just 'cuz.

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“I spoke at DIA last month,” Powell wrote in a July 19 email exchange with his son. “Flynn got fired as head of DIA. His replacement is a black Marine 3-star. I asked why Flynn got fired. Abusive with staff, didn’t listen, worked against policy, bad management, etc. He has been and was right-wing nutty every [sic] since. I watched about five minutes on line of his talked [sic] and switched off.” While Powell admitted in an Aug. 10 email to a Washington Post reporter that he never “knew or served with Flynn,” he still sounded off on the Trump adviser. “Talking to people in the know, his real problem was leadership and management issues at DIA. Senior staff was in incipient revolt,” Powell wrote. “He has been over the top in his comments, conduct unbecoming. But he is unchained.”

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING, you claim to be a manager.

Well, I don't know how much of a manager you are, but in government agencies, you have to provide SPECIFIC EVIDENCE of how someone is fucking up. You can't just say that someone is "insubordinate", you have to provide the times, dates, and instances where a person was directed (and re-directed) to do something by a certain time and either outright verbally refused or simply failed to perform the task in a timely manner, and that it was not due to safety concerns or lack of training.

Similarly, you can't just say that someone is "incapable" you have to provide the times and dates of training logs, and demonstrate that training was attempted several times with several people.

I addressed this in another post already.

I guess YOUR problem is you (STILL!!!) can't separate "allegation" from "evidence". Saying someone is "abusive" or "working against policy" is an allegation ... i.e. it's an ACCUSATION unsubstantiated by EVIDENCE: times, dates, places, and descriptions documented by testimony from multiple people, or physical evidence such as missing data files, emails sent and received, bruises, broken parts or what-have-you. Now, I realize that for perfectly valid personnel reasons (something you may not know anything about) that specific evidence won't be forthcoming. But that that all means is that whatever Colin Powell said is just so much vapor: it's strictly hearsay (what someone told Powell, not what he witnessed directly), lacking corroborating evidence, and can't be used to judge Flynn's military performance because the allegations could all be purely political. So we will have to go on what Flynn says or tweets directly, plus historical fact.

FACT: Flynn co-wrote the military's counterinsurgency manual.

Just imagine that you are part of a jury every time an accusation comes up, and you have to decide whether the evidence supports the accusation. (And, no, repeating the accusation a few hundred times doesn't raise it to the level of evidence. Although it DOES raise the allegation to the level of "propaganda". That's what KRAPO does, and he's quite proud of it, he even says so in his signature, but it's still just allegation and propaganda.)

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