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Originally posted by AURaptor:

His remark about Speaker Ryan, and hoping he'd be horn raped by a Rhino , was exceedingly bizarre and graphic. Joss seems to be just lashing out now, wildly.

I wonder how he'd react if anyone had said that about Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton or Michelle Obama.

OMG, the misogyny and hatred for a "strong woman " !!!

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Sorry to see that. Joss should be smarter/better than that. Surely he knows a thing or 3 about hate and contempt and how expressing it like that does very little to change the temperature in the room, and can even be counter productive to bringing about any kind of sensible dialogue or change. He must be really pissed.

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Originally posted by second:
It's MLK weekend and Trump is attacking a civil rights hero so it's a good time to repost MLK:

I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanncr, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

http://crookedtimber.org/2013/01/21/the-white-moderate-the-greatest-th
reat-to-freedom/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by second:
It's MLK weekend and Trump is attacking a civil rights hero so it's a good time to repost MLK:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's nothing special, although I guess it kind of is since we are on a Firefly fansite.

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Just another overpaid person who has so much money now that they've completely lost touch with normal people and feel guilty about their own success. Perhaps a little more creative than most, but still not much more than the opinions of another leftist Hollywood elite.

He hasn't done anything good since Cabin in the Woods anyways...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's nothing special, although I guess it kind of is since we are on a Firefly fansite.

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Main reason I posted it here, and not on other places I frequent.

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Just another overpaid person who has so much money now that they've completely lost touch with normal people and feel guilty about their own success. Perhaps a little more creative than most, but still not much more than the opinions of another leftist Hollywood elite.

He hasn't done anything good since Cabin in the Woods anyways...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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One thing to lose touch with us " little people ", but Joss has also pulled a classic ' do as I say , not as I do ' maneuver.

Support celebs who speak out on politics, but not if they say something with which Joss disagrees.

Don't belittle women by reducing them to mere objects, or mock them for how they look. Joss goes completely 180 against what his entire message from Buffy was, because HE didn't like what was being said.

And to be clear, I don't think Nicole was wearing a MAGA t-shirt or Trump4Prez ball cap. Good grief.

I've liked some of his works since Cabin in the Woods. But man, to see him overreact to this degree, and show so much vitriol not just against Ryan, but Ms Kidman as well ? Freaking psycho.

I really have to consider what to do with ALL my stuff which pretty much has come from Joss.

2 copies of Firefly on DVD
2 copies of Serenity on DVD
1 CD of Firefly soundtrack.
1 CD from Buffy - Once more with Feeling
1 season of Angel on DVD
Firefly t-shirts, posters, 'Alliance' money, Browncoat soap, a Firefly lanyard, 1 mini Jaynes hat Christmas ornament, collection of Serenity comics ...

And can't forget the recent item... Serenity Christmas sweater.

*sigh*


At least Adam is still sane.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Nicole Kidman is a douche to begin with. Hello, Scientology?? Tom Spaz Cruise?
Nothing lost...

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Originally posted by THGRRI
Yep, except the part about Adam

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Yep, except the part about Adam

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There's nothing which you can offer that contradicts my comment about Adam, so... yeah.

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All I have to do is say you're wrong to contradict what you say about Adam. So, I think you may be wrong.



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Originally posted by Wishimay:
If you think there's nothing wrong with Scientology, well join up, Rappy!

Do it with a straight face, now...

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Nicole Kidman is a douche to begin with. Hello, Scientology?? Tom Spaz Cruise?
Nothing lost... = WISHY

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
2nd - you're going off the rails here, as well as off-topic. This is an about supporting Trump, or taking exception to any of his policies or conduct.

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
Still going off topic.

There there , tiny snowflake

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Second Pwns Rappy again.

Saw that comin'.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
...are you tarring a woman with her EX-husband's religion?

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Originally posted by AURAPTOR:
Joss did what he mocks others for doing.

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Sometimes you have to be a hypocrite to do what is necessary.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just an FYI Second...

Clinton actually DID start the Birtherism movement. There is video evidence of Hillary saying that during the Primaries before Trump ran with it.

Also, there are still investigations into the legitimacy of the document that was given to the people as his birth certificate and supposedly it is a forgery.

I'm not saying that it's true, I'm just saying that it's possible.

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Originally posted by Moose:
Here's Frontline's take on that night.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Just an FYI Second...

Clinton actually DID start the Birtherism movement. There is video evidence of Hillary saying that during the Primaries before Trump ran with it.

Also, there are still investigations into the legitimacy of the document that was given to the people as his birth certificate and supposedly it is a forgery.

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Mr. Trump leveled the accusation — which his supporters have been pressing for weeks — that Mrs. Clinton first raised doubts eight years ago about Mr. Obama’s birthplace.

“Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy,” Mr. Trump said. “I finished it.”

During the 2008 Democratic contest, a senior strategist for Mrs. Clinton at one point pondered, in an internal memo that was later leaked, the ways in which Mr. Obama’s personal background differed from those of many Americans.

But contrary to Mr. Trump’s assertion, neither Mrs. Clinton nor her campaign ever publicly questioned Mr. Obama’s citizenship or birthplace.

The topic was such a fringe issue within the Republican Party that in 2011, conservatives, including Ann Coulter, now a vocal Trump supporter, called on Mr. Trump to stop pursuing it.

Mr. Trump’s aides, in a statement late Thursday, tried to argue that he had actually “ended” the birther issue. Mr. Trump’s spokesman, Jason Miller, asserted — also falsely — that Mr. Trump had “obtained” Mr. Obama’s birth certificate; the president actually released the long-form version in 2011.

“Mr. Trump did a great service to the president and the country by bringing closure to the issue that Hillary Clinton and her team first raised,” Mr. Miller said.

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Originally posted by second:
www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-birther-obama.html

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I know some here will defend the man because of his good works to the ends of the Earth, but I cannot. I've no special affection for Nichole Kidman, btw. She seems decent enough, but that's not the issue. Joss is acting hypocritical and even irrationally. Hate to see it.

JOSS WHEDON ABANDONS HIS VALUES TO ATTACK NICOLE KIDMAN


I love Joss Whedon and his work. He’s also a man rightly celebrated for his track record of creating strong, complex female characters. This has earned him the status of ‘feminist icon’.

This is what makes his recent tweets about Nicole Kidman particularly surprising and disappointing.

In a recent interview with the BBC, Nicole Kidman responded to a question about Donald Trump by saying “I would just say he’s now elected,”… “and we as a country need to support whoever the president is, because that’s what the country’s based on.”


This strikes me as a particularly tepid and middle of the ground attempt at political analysis, but others did not share my approximation, leading to a sizeable backlash to her comments.

Amongst that backlash was this Joss Whedon tweet:



Kidman is dehumanised as (and has her appearance compared to) a puppet and labelled a ‘blunderturd’. Incisive, intelligent political engagement this is not.

Furthermore, why is shaming of women with reference to their appearance suddenly acceptable to Joss Whedon simply because they have a different perspective on how to proceed in a Trump USA?

It’s especially hypocritical when you consider Whedon retweeted this sentiment just days earlier:

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It’s clear that what Whedon means is that he doesn’t much care for celebrities being shamed for speaking up in favour of politics that he is also in favour of.

It’s interesting that you can purport to be for strong, opinionated, independent women then throw those values out of the window the moment they express a view you do not agree with.

Had this type of thing been tweeted by a right-wing conservative, you can be sure that it would have been rounded on by the left as an example of ‘misogyny’.

I think it’s worth reminding Joss Whedon that Barack Obama made similar comments when Trump won the election, yet I cannot seem to locate any puppet-based invectives hurled in Obama’s direction from Joss’s Twitter feed.

A lot of people have a ‘let’s just get on with it’ attitude to the American election. Which is understandable. This is not the same thing as being a fan of Donald Trump.

‘I was trying to stress that I believe in democracy and the American Constitution, and it was that simple,’ said Nicole Kidman in response to this bizarre outrage over her comments.

If, like me, you loathe Donald Trump, then you need to help challenge this sort of thing from the mainstream left. The ‘they’re evil/stupid and we’re the good guys’ mentality was part of what helped Trump to get elected in the first place. And the continuation of this infantile, lazy tactic will only serve to make the same people vote for him again.

Let’s hope Joss remembers the principles he’s so vocally advocated for over the years and recognises this attack on Nicole Kidman for the wrongheaded approach that it is.

Oh, and bring back Firefly.

Stephen Knight is host of The #GSPodcast. You can listen to The Godless Spellchecker Podcast here, and support it by becoming a patron here.


https://www.gspellchecker.com/2017/01/joss-whedon-abandons-his-values-
to-attack-nicole-kidman/

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I have not consumed the entire thread yet, but I'd like to point out, in case nobody else has, that the marionette and name are certainly references to "Team America: World Police" which had all characters portrayed as marionettes, even the explicit sex scenes, and the Team was Thunderbirds, and their refrain was "Thunderbirds are GO" - just in case some thought the insult was made of whole cloth.

I do consider Joss to be quite hypocritical regarding feminism, including this instance.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Liberals aren't immune to double standards. I know that, and right-wingers know that, but do they? It seems not.

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...are you tarring a woman with her EX-husband's religion?- SIGNY

You'd have to be an idiot of epic order to sign on to Scientology FOR A MAN...- WISHIMAY

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Ah, yes. Your spouse is perfect. So is mine. Neither of us have to make concessions for any of their flaws. Poor Nicole, choosing an imperfect husband.

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Joss might as well just have posted a pic of aforementioned sex scenes and just photoshopped Nichole's face onto the marionette, just for extra added insult. ( I actually bet he or someone did that, but chose not to use it. Yet. )

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Smart people have standards, such as not being initiated into a CULT.

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Hence she is an idiot. I stand by my assessment.

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I have many issues with organized religion, but Scientology is the very definition of CULT.

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.... that are far worse than being in A CULT. Why draw the line there?

ALL organized religions are cults. I fail to see the distinction between one cult and another, so please enlighten me.

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Yeah, everybody on the internets says that but the difference between a religion and a cult is a religion purports to want you do be more moral, even if others may not agree with the moral, and thinks it is taking care of a "soul".

A cult is STRICTLY about power. They want to own you and your possessions and leave no room to think for yourself. A religion will let you leave, maybe not be happy about it, but they don't normally put you in camps you can't leave and force you to have abortions because THEY want your money.

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Joss might as well just have posted a pic of aforementioned sex scenes and just photoshopped Nichole's face onto the marionette, just for extra added insult. ( I actually bet he or someone did that, but chose not to use it. Yet. )

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