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Sounds rather Sharia-like for Putin, doesn't it ?

He's not goin' Muslim, is he ?

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Trump and Putin get along well because they both have an adolescent understanding of masculinity. In their world beating your wife is being a strong, proper husband.

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There's never even been any allegations of Trump beating any of his wives.

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The part of the book that caused the most controversy concerns Trump’s divorce from his first wife, Ivana. Hurt obtained a copy of her sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt’s account, Trump was furious that a “scalp reduction” operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, “with menacing casualness, ‘Does it hurt?’” Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana’s deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends.

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The part of the book that caused the most controversy concerns Trump’s divorce from his first wife, Ivana. Hurt obtained a copy of her sworn divorce deposition, from 1990, in which she stated that, the previous year, her husband had raped her in a fit of rage. In Hurt’s account, Trump was furious that a “scalp reduction” operation he’d undergone to eliminate a bald spot had been unexpectedly painful. Ivana had recommended the plastic surgeon. In retaliation, Hurt wrote, Trump yanked out a handful of his wife’s hair, and then forced himself on her sexually. Afterward, according to the book, she spent the night locked in a bedroom, crying; in the morning, Trump asked her, “with menacing casualness, ‘Does it hurt?’” Trump has denied both the rape allegation and the suggestion that he had a scalp-reduction procedure. Hurt said that the incident, which is detailed in Ivana’s deposition, was confirmed by two of her friends.

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Oh... Of course there was something you could find by an SJW in the highly liberal trash the New Yorker.

I see you didn't post the part later where it says "Hurt held on to his copy of Ivana’s sealed deposition for years. “It was sworn testimony,” he said. But eventually, when he was cleaning house during his own divorce, he said, “I threw it all out.” He went on, “The larger tragedy is that Trump might be elected President of the United States. I never imagined in my wildest nightmares that it would come to this.”"

Oopsie. I guess there is no real proof that this even happened.




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Oopsie. I guess there is no real proof that this even happened.

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Bringing up this crap is just the LEFT continuing their temper tantrum that Hillary didn't win. Their protests didn't keep him out. Burning cities down didn't keep him out. Recounts didn't work. The Electoral College actually took more votes away from Clinton than from Trump.

Trump is President now, and they're just throwing a fit and slinging as much mud as they can. It would be cute if it wasn't so vile.

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Bringing up this crap is just the LEFT continuing their temper tantrum that Hillary didn't win. Their protests didn't keep him out. Burning cities down didn't keep him out. Recounts didn't work. The Electoral College actually took more votes away from Clinton than from Trump.

Trump is President now, and they're just throwing a fit and slinging as much mud as they can. It would be cute if it wasn't so vile.

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Funny how the Left is so willing to believe a sexual assault claim by Trump's ex-wife, but so fiercely unwilling to believe the claims of rape and sexual assault made against Bill Clinton by Kathleen Willey, Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, and many, many others.

Here's a partial list of those women and what Clinton did to them.

Clinton’s first alleged rape was Eileen Wellstone, at age 19. In England, Clinton sexually assaulted her after they met at a bar near Oxford. Bill Clinton admitted having sex with her but “claimed it was consensual.” The victim’s family didn’t want to pursue the case, and a report filed at the time by a State Department official was ignored by superiors. Apparently, the State Department didn’t want a Rhodes Scholar to have a rape charge.

* In 1972, a 22-year-old woman told campus police at Yale University that she was sexually assaulted by Clinton, a law student at the college. No charges were filed, but retired campus policemen contacted by Capitol Hill Blue confirmed the incident.

* In 1974, a female student at the University of Arkansas complained that then-law school instructor Bill Clinton tried to prevent her from leaving his office during a conference. She said he groped her and forced his hand inside her blouse. She complained to her faculty advisor who confronted Clinton, but Clinton claimed the student ”came on” to him. The student left the school shortly after the incident. Reached at her home in Texas, the former student confirmed the incident, but declined to go on the record with her account. Several former students at the University have confirmed the incident in confidential interviews and said there were other reports of Clinton attempting to force himself on female students;

*Juanita Broaddrick, a volunteer in Clinton’s gubernatorial campaign, said he raped her in 1978. Mrs. Broaddrick suffered a bruised and torn lip, which she said she suffered when Clinton bit her during the rape.

* From 1978-1980, during Clinton’s first term as governor of Arkansas, state troopers assigned to protect the governor were aware of at least seven complaints from women who said Clinton forced, or attempted to force, himself on them sexually. One retired state trooper said in an interview that the common joke among those assigned to protect Clinton was “who’s next?” One former state trooper said other troopers would often escort women to the governor’s hotel room after political events, often more than one an evening;

* Carolyn Moffet, a legal secretary in Little Rock in 1979, said she met then-governor Clinton at a political fundraiser and shortly thereafter received an invitation to meet the governor in his hotel room. “I was escorted there by a state trooper. When I went in, he was sitting on a couch, wearing only an undershirt. He pointed at his penis and told me to suck it. I told him I didn’t even do that for my boyfriend and he got mad, grabbed my head and shoved it into his lap. I pulled away from him and ran out of the room.”

* Elizabeth Ward, the Miss Arkansas who won the Miss America crown in 1982, told friends she was forced by Clinton to have sex with him shortly after she won her state crown. Last year, Ward, who is now married with the last name of Gracen (from her first marriage), told an interviewer she did have sex with Clinton but said it was consensual. Close friends of Ward, however, say she still maintains privately that Clinton forced himself on her.

* Paula Jones, an Arkansas state worker, filed a sexual harassment case against Clinton after an encounter in a Little Rock hotel room where the then-governor exposed himself and demanded oral sex. Clinton settled the case with Jones recently with an $850,000 cash payment.

* Sandra Allen James, a former Washington, DC, political fundraiser says Presidential candidate-to-be Clinton invited her to his hotel room during a political trip to the nation’s capital in 1991, pinned her against the wall and stuck his hand up her dress. She says she screamed loud enough for the Arkansas State Trooper stationed outside the hotel suite to bang on the door and ask if everything was all right, at which point Clinton released her and she fled the room. When she reported the incident to her boss, he advised her to keep her mouth shut if she wanted to keep working. Miss James has since married and left Washington. Reached at her home last week, the former Miss James said she later learned that other women suffered the same fate at Clinton’s hands when he was in Washington during his Presidential run.

* Christy Zercher, a flight attendant on Clinton’s leased campaign plane in 1992, says Presidential candidate Clinton exposed himself to her, grabbed her breasts and made explicit remarks about oral sex. A video shot on board the plane by ABC News shows an obviously inebriated Clinton with his hand between another young flight attendant’s legs. Zercher said later in an interview that White House attorney Bruce Lindsey tried to pressure her into not going public about the assault.

* Kathleen Willey, a White House volunteer, reported that Clinton grabbed her, fondled her breast and pressed her hand against his genitals during an Oval Office meeting in November, 1993. Willey, who told her story in a 60 Minutes interview, became a target of a White House-directed smear campaign after she went public.

So to sum up the Left's position, Trump is a monster and Clinton is an altar boy. Got it!

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It's tough conversing with people who are either or. It's either or people that are the problem. Clintons history, we are dealing with Trump now.

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Says the sore loser who voted for Hillary.

You were either aware of what Hillary and her husband had been doing for decades, or you were purposefully blind to it.

This statement right here leads me to believe that you were aware of it and that by ignoring it you were basically condoning all of their criminal actions.

I'll say it again. Vile.

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He was on tape being an idiot and saying stupid things to Jeb Bushes idiot cousin Billy Bush.

If you watch the whole video, they get off the bus and meet the woman he was talking about and not only was there no grabbing of pussy, but they were both gentleman in her presence after all that dumbassery and baseless bragging going on during the bus ride.


He never once said anything about anything non consensual. He wasn't talking about ALL women either. He was talking about the gold digging D-List celebrities and what THEY LET a powerful guy do to them. He never said anything about rape or abuse, or any of the other bullshit you guys keep bringing up here.

I'll point out that at any time you can turn on the radio and listen to a rap song that is 10 times worse as far as how they treat women than anything Trump said on that bus.

Don't tell me any bullshit about "well they're not running for President".

No. They aren't.

What they are doing is repeating those lyrics with a hypnotic beat to your kids on their iPhones everyday while they're doing their homework.

That's a lot more dangerous, IMO. They're not going to be influenced by some 70 year old white dude.



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This whole post of your is sad at best. The guy is on tape admitting he sexually assaults women. To grope someone with out permission is by law a sexual assault.

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This whole post of your is sad at best. The guy is on tape admitting he sexually assaults women. To grope someone with out permission is by law a sexual assault.

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I'm only going to say it ONE MORE TIME.

Watch the whole fucking thing. It's a video moron, not an audio tape. And it's a lot fucking longer than the 5 second clip your SJW MSM kept playing.

He said "THEY LET YOU DO IT".

He fucking talks about consent in the same goddamned paragraph.

Idiot.

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Because I dismiss what you say by explaining the law to you, you start losing it and imply I haven't seen the whole tape. I have. And it's sad that after seeing the tape yourself you come away with the view you do. It's the same with SIG who swears he does not say he grabs their pussies. Therefore no harm no foul.

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You're an SJW cuck.

There's never even been any allegations of Trump beating any of his wives.

If Trump loved subjugating women, he'd LOVE Islam.

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Because I dismiss what you say by explaining the law to you, you start losing it and imply I haven't seen the whole tape. I have. And it's sad that after seeing the tape yourself you come away with the view you do. It's the same with SIG who swears he does not say he grabs their pussies. Therefore no harm no foul.

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I did want to apologize for that outburst. For real, it has bothered me for about a day or so. Even if you are insulting me in your replies, there was no reason for me to lose it like that.


You didn't explain any law to me though, unless you are implying that you opened my eyes to the well known fact that sexual assault is against the law.


You have every right to think that what I came away with is sad and I have every right to think the same of you.

Nothing he talked about in that conversation was illegal. He never talked about doing anything that wasn't wanted. Again, I will add, that he was talking about a specific type of woman. The gold digging wannabe starlet that is drawn to money and powerful men.


I will agree that the conversation was not one of Trumps finer moments. I personally have never talked about women that way, and with my partying days behind me I don't associate with people who do. That's not to say that I haven't heard conversations like that before though. A lot of guys do talk like that, especially when there are no women around. I knew guys back in my early 20s who talked like that to them straight to their face.


If anything, the tape helped Trump because people are waking up and are tired of being manipulated by the media like that. When focus by the MSM was starting to be put on the DNC emails, and some REAL crimes being committed, they brought that tape out to divert everyone's attention. In the end, only the people who were going to vote for Hillary no matter what gave it any more than a few days consideration.

What I find particularly sad about your mindset, and people who think like you, is that you take this tape and use it to justify every bad thing you want to believe about trump. I've seen a few posts in here suggesting things as bad as Trump raping children and then using this tape to justify their comments.

Was it slimy? Sure, I'll agree with that. But it wasn't any admission to anything illegal.

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Jack, these women are tiring to make their future and while doing so they have to deal with the Trumps and Clinton types out there. Sad you see it the other way around. Fact is, the gold digger is probably his wife. Good chance she married for money, ya think?

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"Speaking of women. How any woman could vote for Trump is beyond me. Maybe they have an adolescent understanding of what being a woman is? Maybe being submissive and taking abuse is being a good woman in their minds?"

I see 'G' has a great deal of respect for women and even thinks they should be allowed to come to their own conclusions in the privacy of their own minds! not. REALLY NOT. Because, according to 'G', women are too stupid to comprehend if they disagree with 'G'. And too adolescent. And too gullible. And masochistic.

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"Cuck?" Really? You're one of those reichwing Nazi shiteaters, aren't you?
I got your cuck right here, bitch. Fuck you, Nazi boy.
Your kind will be wiped from the earth. REAVERASS

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Um, huh? Where did I come even close to saying that? Are you confusing people yet again, granny?
If you're going to make such a wild claim cite a reference. At the very least stop huffing the liter box.

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Jack, these women are tiring to make their future and while doing so they have to deal with the Trumps and Clinton types out there. Sad you see it the other way around. Fact is, the gold digger is probably his wife. Good chance she married for money, ya think?

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Yep. There's a very good chance that his wife was a gold digger. All 3 of them, TBH. I don't know what their relationship is like, so I won't say anything more than that about it.

They all have to deal with each other THGRRI. Nobody told them to get into the business. I wouldn't for a single second swap lives with any one of them, man or woman. You want money and power, whether you're a man or woman, you're going to be doing somethings that probably wouldn't make your mother proud. And there's many different ways for both of the sexes to get it too. It's not as if a woman's only path to power and riches is sex. That's a little regressive thinking, wouldn't you agree?

And who's to say a woman like that isn't the one manipulating a guy like trump anyhow? Beautiful women have been manipulating powerful men all the way back to Cleopatra, and likely before that.

But that is all way off topic.


The bottom line is Trump said some pretty vulgar stuff and got caught on tape saying it. That part I won't deny.

But that's all it was. There was no admission of rape or anything illegal. He was speaking in hypotheticals. I'm quite sure that more than once in his day he has made advances on a woman he thought fell into that category of women who "will let you do it" and he was rebuffed. That's her right to do it, either way.

Now if he brought up in conversation a time where a woman denied him and then he forced himself on her, that would be an admission of rape.


I hope I've made myself clear here. I don't see how I can spell this out any plainer.


Again, I didn't much care for the crudeness of the conversation, but I think it was just part of some 1-upsmanship going on between him and Billy Bush. If I was Billy I would have just told him that he was full of shit. lol

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Much of what you say is generalizing and you dismiss Trumps bad behavior because of the business they are in. What you do is blame the women for wanting to be in that business. That said, I feel Trump broke the law and touched women against their will and you do not.

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Much of what you say is generalizing and you dismiss Trumps bad behavior because of the business they are in. What you do is blame the women for wanting to be in that business. That said, I feel Trump broke the law and touched women against their will and you do not.

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Touching a woman is not against the law. You won't even get fired from a job for touching a woman unless you were being completely lecherous about it. What you would get fired for is if she told you no and you continued to do it.

Again, he said that "they let you do it". I'm sure he wasn't talking about the times he tried and they didn't let him do it. He certainly didn't say anything about continuing to do it after he was told no.

You don't give women enough credit. If they want to say no, they will say no. This isn't 1950.

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Um, huh? Where did I come even close to saying that? Are you confusing people yet again, granny?
If you're going to make such a wild claim cite a reference. At the very least stop huffing the liter box.

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The passage by the parliament, or Duma, reverses a ruling by the Supreme Court last year, subsequently backed by parliament, that decriminalized battery that does not inflict bodily harm, but retained criminal charges involving battery against family members. That reform is effectively reversed by Friday's vote.

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Is that to me? Because I didn't know, and now that I know, I still don't care either way.

I just think it's funny that someone like 'G' who claims to care so much about women viscerally despises them so much, because, as women their thinking is unapproved - by 'G' of course.

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6ix - And I have yet to hear one of them give me a convincing reason as to why, on balance, considering what I see as his adolescent, negative view of women, they would do so. It's possible that being around as many salesmen as I have I can spot a conman more easily than others, although in this case it seems remarkable easy to see Trump for the liar he is. It's also possible that you also have what I would consider an adolescent view of women. Am I wrong? You seem to think the women he's bragged about grabbing deserved it.

Curious: do you think he can actually build a wall across our southern border? If so, who do you think will pay for it? If you say "Mexico," please tell me how you see that happening. If you can't then you are speculating. If you are speculating, then please tell me what you base that on.

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Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall

Introduction: The provision of the Patriot Act, Section 326 - the "know your customer" provision, compelling financial institutions to demand identity documents before opening accounts or conducting financial transactions is a fundamental element of the outline below. That section authorized the executive branch to issue detailed regulations on the subject, found at 31 CFR 130.120-121. It's an easy decision for Mexico: make a one-time payment of $5-10 billion to ensure that $24 billion continues to flow into their country year after year. There are several ways to compel Mexico to pay for the wall including the following:

On day 1 promulgate a "proposed rule" (regulation) amending 31 CFR 130.121 to redefine applicable financial institutions to include money transfer companies like Western Union, and redefine "account" to include wire transfers. Also include in the proposed rule a requirement that no alien may wire money outside of the United States unless the alien first provides a document establishing his lawful presence in the United States.

On day 2 Mexico will immediately protest. They receive approximately $24 billion a year in remittances from Mexican nationals working in the United States. The majority of that amount comes from illegal aliens. It serves as de facto welfare for poor families in Mexico. There is no significant social safety net provided by the state in Mexico.

On day 3 tell Mexico that if the Mexican government will contribute the funds needed to the United States to pay for the wall, the Trump Administration will not promulgate the final rule, and the regulation will not go into effect.

Trade tariffs, or enforcement of existing trade rules: There is no doubt that Mexico is engaging in unfair subsidy behavior that has eliminated thousands of U.S. jobs, and which we are obligated to respond to; the impact of any tariffs on the price imports will be more than offset by the economic and income gains of increased production in the United States, in addition to revenue from any tariffs themselves. Mexico needs access to our markets much more than the reverse, so we have all the leverage and will win the negotiation. By definition, if you have a large trade deficit with a nation, it means they are selling far more to you than the reverse - thus they, not you, stand to lose from enforcing trade rules through tariffs (as has been done to save many U.S. industries in the past).

Cancelling visas: Immigration is a privilege, not a right. Mexico is totally dependent on the United States as a release valve for its own poverty - our approvals of hundreds of thousands of visas to their nationals every year is one of our greatest leverage points. We also have leverage through business and tourist visas for important people in the Mexican economy. Keep in mind, the United States has already taken in 4X more migrants than any other country on planet earth, producing lower wages and higher unemployment for our own citizens and recent migrants.

Visa fees: Even a small increase in visa fees would pay for the wall. This includes fees on border crossing cards, of which more than 1 million are issued a year. The border-crossing card is also one of the greatest sources of illegal immigration into the United States, via overstays. Mexico is also the single largest recipient of U.S. green cards, which confer a path to U.S. citizenship. Again, we have the leverage so Mexico will back down.

Conclusion: Mexico has taken advantage of us in another way as well: gangs, drug traffickers and cartels have freely exploited our open borders and committed vast numbers of crimes inside the United States. The United States has borne the extraordinary daily cost of this criminal activity, including the cost of trials and incarcerations. Not to mention the even greater human cost. We have the moral high ground here, and all the leverage. It is time we use it in order to Make America Great Again.

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