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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Good thing he "resigned", it saves everyone the embarrassment of having to fire him.

Apparently the reason for his "resignation" was not that he talked to Russian contacts (whoever they were) but that he lied to Mike Pence about it. Left Mr. Pence twisting in the wind, as it were. You don't do that to your boss and expect to keep your job.

But this calls into question the whole idea of Trump being blackmailed by Russia. If American policy towards is already set in stone for nefarious reasons, it makes no sense for Flynn to go clumsily bumbling off to push a process that's already been decided. It just doesn't make sense ... at least, not to me.

Flynn was one of the weaker cabinet picks, DeVos is another.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
lol

I've heard the words fascist, nazi and even communist more in the last month than I have in my entire life. You guys are silly.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Investigate away. But make no mistake that calls to look into Clinton was based on facts. Not rumors. No matter who hacked those emails, there are a lot of truths in there that you refuse to even become aware about.

I just have to laugh when I see that everything you lefties accuse Trump of now are the exact same things that Clinton was actually guilty of. It was just with other players.

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I do acknowledge the fact that you personally haven't called me a Nazi or a Fascist, but what do you think when you see somebody else in here use those words to describe me?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I base what I know about Clinton on what has been reported. There was much about her I totally disliked; and said so. It was the way the Republicans went about it.

If they don't show the same zeal in investigating what's going on with Russia and Trump, then it's a red flag that Clinton was purely political; and bullshit.

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I base what I know about Clinton on what has been reported. There was much about her I totally disliked; and said so. It was the way the Republicans went about it.

If they don't show the same zeal in investigating what's going on with Russia and Trump, then it's a red flag that Clinton was purely political; and bullshit.

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The media didn't report anything that was in Hillary's and the DNC's and Podesta's emails. They sometimes even came out and said that if you read them yourself you were breaking the law (which is not true). So I'm going to assume that you know nothing about what was in the emails.



I asked you a question.

What do you think when somebody here wastes the word Nazi or Fascist on me?

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Investigate away. But make no mistake that calls to look into Clinton was based on facts. Not rumors. No matter who hacked those emails, there are a lot of truths in there that you refuse to even become aware about.

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And what facts were those? What did she do that was criminal? There was gross stupidity and negligence, but the FBI let her go with little more than harsh language. Sorry, if she were truly criminally guilty the Reps would have had her on a spit over a big fire. Love to hear your take.

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I just have to laugh when I see that everything you lefties accuse Trump of now are the exact same things that Clinton was actually guilty of. It was just with other players.

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Not a "leftie" sorry. Clinton was never in office to pick such and freak show of a cabinet, sorry again.

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I do acknowledge the fact that you personally haven't called me a Nazi or a Fascist, but what do you think when you see somebody else in here use those words to describe me?

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You called me an SJW and a Cuck so stop being such a pussy. I had to look them up - they're not even close, just you repeating what the youtubers say like some kind of myna bird. That's pretty lazy 6.

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Name one thing in those emails other than the fact that the DNC and Hillary colluded to steal the election from Bernie Sanders. I'm willing to bet you don't know anything else other than that.

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Spicer just confirmed that Trump was "informed" of DOJ warning that Flynn might be vulnerable to Russian blackmail. When?

The answer turns out to be January 26. That's three weeks ago.

Spicer is insisting that Trump fired Flynn due to an "erosion" of trust. "It was a matter of trust, pure and simple," he's said over and over. And yet, oddly enough, Trump's trust in Flynn didn't crater when he was told about Flynn's lies. It apparently cratered only after the Washington Post made Flynn's lies public. Funny that.

Now Spicer is trying to blame the Obama Justice Department for withholding its information about Flynn for 13 days. Nice try, Sean.

Oh, and Spicer says the real story here is all the leaks. Sure, Flynn is a story, but the press should consider the source. They should investigate that. Oddly, back when all those hacked Russian emails were gnawing away at Hillary Clinton's campaign, nobody on the right thought that was an issue. All that mattered was that this information was becoming public. I guess that's no longer operative.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

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He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

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He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

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The strongest support for Flynn came from Moscow on Tuesday morning. Konstantin Kosachev, chairman of the Russian foreign affairs committee, said he did not deserve to lose his job and lashed out at Trump for allowing Flynn to resign. “Either Trump hasn’t found the necessary independence and he’s been driven into a corner,” he said. “Or Russophobia has permeated the new administration from top to bottom.”
www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/13/white-house-leaves-michael-f
lynn-twisting-in-the-wind.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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He fired Flynn because the facts of the phone calls and Flynn being a security risk were leaked to the press. If not for that Flynn would still be receiving security briefings.

You mentioned Clintons emails. Trump asked Putin to hack Clinton; remember that? He did it right in front of the entire country.

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Republican Jason Chaffetz, who never met a Hillary Clinton rumor that he couldn't spin into months of congressional testimony, says blandly that the Flynn affair is "taking care of itself."
https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/831515826641592321

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The Leakers Who Exposed Gen. Flynn’s Lie Committed Serious — and Wholly Justified — Felonies
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14/the-leakers-who-exposed-gen-flynns
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It’s very possible — indeed, likely — that the leakers were not acting with benevolent motives.

Flynn has many enemies throughout the intelligence and defense community. The same is true, of course, of Donald Trump; recall that just a few weeks ago, Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer warned Trump that he was being “really dumb” to criticize the intelligence community because “they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you.”

It’s very possible — I’d say likely — that the motive here was vindictive rather than noble. Whatever else is true, this is a case where the intelligence community, through strategic (and illegal) leaks, destroyed one of its primary adversaries in the Trump White House.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Flynn got away easy, because if you take on the CIA you usually end up dead. JFK and RFK learned that lesson the hard way.

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You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously.

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Lets hear it SIG. Your guy is turning out to be a disaster. Come on 1kiki, SIG. let's hear the outrage.

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First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

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If you voted for Trump or support him in any way, you are a fascist, neo-Nazi piece of shit, and deserve to be put up against the wall with the other collaborators.

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That's right Jack our democracy is under attack.

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The CIA is targeting FLynn as their first peice, they're going to use this to attack Trump, who is - you may recall- the DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA. Elected, I might as, as the result of a DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

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SECOND, you're being hysterical. Seriously. Calm down. It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

From what? I don't know ... probably the same boogeymen that the fascists themselves concoct, just to scare people. (Referencing that list that GSTRING brought up about fascists focusing on "enemies", that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

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Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state. — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

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lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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SECOND, you're still being hysterical.

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SECOND, you're still being hysterical.

If you're going to worry about being "sold out", why didn't you worry about the close connections between the past administrations and the Saudi Royal family? I think THEIR interests are far more inimical to ours than a bunch of hotels.

Good lord.

One of the things neither you nor THUGR not any of the other hysterics on the board have done is to define for yourselves ... WHAT ARE OUR INTERESTS? Now YOU, being an oil person, may have interests that are deeply different than the rest of us. But most of us don't- or IMHO shouldn't- give two shits about what "they" do "over there" unless it affects us. And so far, nobody has been able to show how Russia hurts out interests. China? Sure, an active economic adversary. N Korea? Yeah, a lunatic-run nation which SO FAR has been unable to reach us by missile-strike. Saudi Arabia? Yeah, well, we are locked together in our mutual dependence on the petro-dollar, but that doesn't excuse the fact that they've been fostering terrorism for over 40 years, and al Qaeda is just the latest branch. Qatar? Same problem as Saudi Arabia. The transnationals and the 45 people who control 40% of the world's resources? They HARDLY have our interests at heart! But seriously, who else has the means and the will to do us harm? Russia is a military competitor, but IMHO there's nothing there that a treaty couldn't solve.

Stop being so reactive. If you're going to worry about being sold out by anyone, worry about the deep state.

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You guys loved to kill Hillary for not taking national security seriously.

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Lets hear it SIG. Your guy is turning out to be a disaster. Come on 1kiki, SIG. let's hear the outrage.

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'Outrage' over what? Trump's not 'my' guy. As a matter of fact, I was trying to get people to discuss what dems might do to block Trump's inevitable picks and policies. To no avail. You dolts seem completely mesmerized by Trump as much as you are by Putin, and completely unable to formulate any action on your own. Are you zombies? Or merely lobotomized?

And as to what to do about Trump, so far the answer is close to nada - except where you're focused even more on him. Well, that and the defector dem senators who are only too happy to go along.

Anyway, I'm just happy our president isn't bloody Hillary. And I'm waiting for the dems - YOU - to - get a brain or something.

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You're right, but it's not being attacked by Trump or his appointees. It's being attacked by the CIA. Think it through:

Flynn was head of the DIA, and it was 50 of the DIA's analysts who wrote an open letter of protest that their intelligence reports on Obama's pro-"moderate rebel" strategy in Syria leading to a "caliphate" of radicals were constantly being overwritten by the upper-ups into happy news for the White House.

Flynn was the head of the DIA at that time. And WHO would have had access to any telephone calls might have made?

The CIA is targeting FLynn as their first piece, they're going to use this to attack Trump, who is - you may recall- the DULY ELECTED PRESIDENT OF THE USA. Elected, I might as, as the result of a DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.


This is the same playbook as Ukraine: When a divisive but properly-elected leader is in office but is thwarting your goals, slag him (or her) constantly in the the press, use your CIA and State Department neocon contacts to organize and spy, launder any allegations- false, misrepresented, or otherwise- through John McCain and a compliant corporate press, pay civilian provocateurs to turn demonstrations into riots .... lather, rinse, repeat until you have brought down the government.

You see? In the other thread, people are exploring the thought that we may be trending towards fascism. My point there is that it's not a future event It's already here, and has been for at least 16 years. And it's not Trump.

I can only hope that as the CIA, State, and Congressional neocons are working to overthrow the Trump Presidency, Trump is gathering dirt on THEM, because they should be tried for treason.

IF Trump is going to prevail over the CIA and State Department neocons, he's going to have to be a lot smarter than he's been so far. And if he doesn't, we're doomed.

And then it won't matter WHAT you want: if you want peace, or more jobs, or better healthcare, or sovereign decision-making, you'll get endless war, sucked dry by health insurances (with taxpayer money), MORE free trade, absolutely no control over your environmental or energy or economic policies, but by GOD at least you'll have transgender bathrooms!

Sheesh.

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SECOND, you're being hysterical. Seriously. Calm down. It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

From what? I don't know ... probably the same boogeymen that the fascists themselves concoct, just to scare people. (Referencing that list that GSTRING brought up about fascists focusing on "enemies", that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

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SECOND, It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

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SIGNYM - you're being hysterical again. Hysterically funny. You're the one that voted for the guy who ticks all the Fascist boxes.

I think what you have is a big case of buyer's remorse. Trump isn't who you thought he would be (or maybe Trump is exactly who you thought he would be, eh? *evil laugh*). Even worse and more embarrassing, he's exactly what we thought he would be. Good news: crow is in season - have a feast.

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... that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

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But Putin! Invaded a sovereign nation.

But Putin! Hacked into and manipulated our elections

But Putin! Was in contact with Trump's campaign during and after the election.

But Putin! Is being bloody Putin.

No worries - it wouldn't be you if you didn't suck at logic.

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Hang him for treason, then go down the line with the rest of the Trump Russian traitors.

End this disgrace.

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First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

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I forgot about your ADD. I will try to keep my posts to you no longer than 3 sentences maximum.

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First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

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I forgot about your ADD. I will try to keep my posts to you no longer than 3 sentences maximum.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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This post is only one line Jack and you make no sense at all. What are you talking about?

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It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

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