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First of all Jack, the one thing you list is enough to prove you wrong. Follow the link and watch the video and you will see what Clinton said about Benghazi in her private emails as reported by the press.

Really Jack, get with it. Try doing some research instead of just ranting out your ignorant opinions.

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I forgot about your ADD. I will try to keep my posts to you no longer than 3 sentences maximum.

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This post is only one line Jack and you make no sense at all. What are you talking about?

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You only read what you want to read. In the case of somebody that you regularly don't agree with, you find the one sentence you disagree with most and throw everything else away. I will, therefore, keep my replies to you in three sentences or less since that is the limit of your attention span.

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No one can get the White House’s story on Flynn straight — including Trump
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/14/14613220/white-house-contrad
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The public has to parse through a confusing non-explanation of why one of the most powerful people in Trump’s administration was fired (or decided to resign) four weeks into the presidency.

Spicer repeated that Trump “instinctively thought that Gen. Flynn did not do anything wrong”. “Instinctively.” It’s an apt choice of words for a president who has repeatedly claimed to have a prescient understanding of government and world affairs. Doesn't understand as much as he thinks he does, does he?

How Vladimir Putin won Republicans' approval
He's an authoritarian strongman, and he's never been more popular with GOP voters.


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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It's amazing SECOND. . . . It's simply amazing. This administration has the biggest set of liars I have even witnessed.

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It's amazing SECOND. . . . It's simply amazing. This administration has the biggest set of liars I have even witnessed.

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Not that amazing if you've lived in Texas and dealt with Trump-like characters ( loud, vulgar, ignorant-and-proud-of-it, greedy self-promoters ) running businesses. A Trumpish Texas businessman prefers to hire the kind of people working in Trump's White House. I should add that you really don't want to be customer of one of the Texas Trumpish businesses because you will have to sue them and threaten them to make live up to all their oversized promises.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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SECOND, you're being hysterical. Seriously. Calm down. It's people like you who let fascists in the door because they think that the fascists will "save them".

From what? I don't know ... probably the same boogeymen that the fascists themselves concoct, just to scare people. (Referencing that list that GSTRING brought up about fascists focusing on "enemies", that's what this whole BUT PUTIN! is about.)

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The hysterical crying is optional- SECOND

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Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics.

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But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state. — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

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Geee... tax returns versus CIA coup.... tax returns versus a CIA coup ... I can't tell which is more important.

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But Putin! Invaded a sovereign nation.

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But Putin! Hacked into and manipulated our elections

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But Putin! Was in contact with Trump's campaign during and after the election.

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here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61371&p=1#1
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here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61329&p=3
here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61343
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here http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61366

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But Putin! Invaded a sovereign nation.

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So did GWB - TWICE! And so did Obama!~ But I don't see you bitching about it.

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But Putin! Hacked into and manipulated our elections

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He did neither. The elections were NOT hacked, and were NOT manipulated.

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And look at the definitive NYTimes article! Admissions there's no evidence! Unsubstantiated claims and allegations! Anonymous sources! DISCUSSING CLASSIFIED MATERIAL WITH THE PRESS!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-com
munications-trump.html?_r=0

By MICHAEL S. SCHMIDT, MARK MAZZETTI and MATT APUZZOFEB. 14, 2017

President Trump spoke with Vladimir V. Putin on Jan. 28. His national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, right, resigned Monday. Credit Jonathan Ernst/Reuters

Phone records ... intercepted calls (ie hacked by the US government) ... four current and former American officials (who?) ... American law enforcement and intelligence agencies (who?) ... intercepted the communications (ie hacked by the US government) ... trying ... three of the officials (who?) said ... (evidence?)... whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

The officials interviewed in recent weeks said that, so far, they had seen no evidence of such cooperation.

But ... officials said ...

All of the current and former officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the continuing investigation is classified.

The officials said ... The officials declined ... intercepted communications ... investigates ... according to officials ... officials said... not been charged with any crimes
Law enforcement officials did not say to what extent the contacts might have been about business.

The officials would not disclose many details ... It is also unclear whether the conversations had anything to do with Mr. Trump himself.

A report ... American intelligence agencies ... did not address ... intercepted calls ... But ... The F.B.I. declined to comment ... The F.B.I. has closely examined at least three other people close to Mr. Trump, although it is unclear ... trying to assess ... dossier ... raft of allegations ... unsubstantiated claims ...

The F.B.I. has spent several months investigating the leads in the dossier, but has yet to confirm any of its most explosive claims.

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Really??? Does that mean you'll shut up soon?

Geee... tax returns versus CIA coup.... tax returns versus a CIA coup ... I can't tell which is more important.

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But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state. — Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) February 14, 2017

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Actually, what you asked for were cites that you're a deep state troll. I can't believe it, but you're so fucking dishonest you lie about your own posts, with quotes that disprove your own lies.

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Donald Trump then spent the early morning Wednesday unhappily tweeting about this:

This Russian connection non-sense is merely an attempt to cover-up the many mistakes made in Hillary Clinton's losing campaign.
6:08 AM -15 Feb 2017

If in fact all of this is “non-sense,” Trump has the power as president to make that clear immediately - by declassifying all government intercepts of communications between Russian nationals and anyone in his orbit.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/15/trump-has-the-power-to-declassify-
whatever-he-wants-including-the-russian-intercepts/

Trump has the power to declassify anything he wants, right now. But I think that is as unlikely to happen as Trump declassifying his income tax returns, you know, the returns he promised to publicize to show America what a truthful businessman he is, with no hidden, dishonest dealings.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Signym, that means it is not an either/or choice between "deep state? Or the Trump state." I don't think Trump has the brainpower or stamina to run the government. That leaves nobody in charge.

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Trump could respond to your idea (certainly not mine) of the entire CIA staging a coup d'état against Trump by retaliating.

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"Wake Up America" Dennis Kucinich Defends Trump, Issues Dire Warning About "Deep State"

In the interview, Kucinich blamed factions of the US intelligence community for wanting to end any positive relationship between Russia and the US, hoping for a return of the cold war.

"...the American people have to know that there's a game going on inside the intelligence community... at the bottom of all this is the fact that there are those that seek to separate US from Russia to reignite the cold war... wake up America!!"

Kucinich did not see this as an anti-Trump game, but rather an anti-Russia game:

“It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.”

This is like “Deep State” said Kucinich.

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And I'm not the only left-of-center person to think so* (*see above):

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"Wake Up America" Dennis Kucinich Defends Trump, Issues Dire Warning About "Deep State"

In the interview, Kucinich blamed factions of the US intelligence community for wanting to end any positive relationship between Russia and the US, hoping for a return of the cold war.

"...the American people have to know that there's a game going on inside the intelligence community... at the bottom of all this is the fact that there are those that seek to separate US from Russia to reignite the cold war... wake up America!!"

Kucinich did not see this as an anti-Trump game, but rather an anti-Russia game:

“It’s not just this administration. I want to remind the views and all those who are on the panel that in the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made.”

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I'm taking a LEFT WING stance, not a RIGHT WING one. People on the left- like Glenn Greenwald, Kucinich, and Matt Taibbi - know where it's at. Obama was not a "left wing" President, Hillary was not a "left wing" candidate. Liberals are so used to identifying themselves ... and anyone who claims to be a liberal ... as some sort of enlightened left-of-center group that when they get criticized FROM THE LEFT they don't even recognize where the criticism is coming from - they assume it's from the right.



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THUGR, your ability to resist the truth is amazing. You get an award for sticking your head up your ass and firmly keeping it there.

Here is Kucinich, per the link helpfully provided by Zerohedge, and he has a LOT MORE to say about this than the deep state. Much of his criticism is pointed directly at you and people like you, THUGR, for being idiots, puppets, patsies, dupes... whatever you want to call it.

And what's with posting the same link a half-dozen times? Do you think it makes you look like you did some "research"?

heh heh heh
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Again you miss the point. You keep going back to the well of misinformation as your source. What you posted was written by people who HIDE THEIR IDENTITIES.

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If Trump had really intended to drain the swamp, fight the deep state, make America great, he should have planned ahead.

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Signym, that means it is not an either/or choice between "deep state? Or the Trump state." I don't think Trump has the brainpower or stamina to run the government. That leaves nobody in charge.

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Again you miss the point. You keep going back to the well of misinformation as your source. What you posted was written by people who HIDE THEIR IDENTITIES.

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BUT POST LINKS TO THE ORIGINAL SOURCE. SO THAT YOU, IF YOU'RE NOT TOO LAZY OR STUPID, (you seem to be both) CAN FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF.

And having had your ass handed to you on what Kucinich said ... and how he implicitly criticized deep-state tools like you ... you try to divert the conversation and bury the posts. That doesn't even deserve a "nice try", troll.




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Signym, that means it is not an either/or choice between "deep state? Or the Trump state." I don't think Trump has the brainpower or stamina to run the government. That leaves nobody in charge.

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"Nobody" is not a choice. It's either the elected President of the USA, at least nominally in charge, or it's whoever the deep state chooses. You and I don't have a choice of "neither of the above".

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Trump could respond to your idea (certainly not mine) of the entire CIA staging a coup d'état against Trump by retaliating.

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And hopefully, if Trump can't figure out a way, his advisors can, and he will be smart enough to listen.

I voted for Trump for a reason. I knew ahead of time, and said so quite often, than Trump would be a loose cannon and- look!- Trump is a loose cannon! But Trump is NOT a deep-stater, or a transnational global financialist; he's far too nationalistic for that. IF I HAVE A CHOICE BETWEEN BACKING INTERNATIONAL FASCISM VERSUS NATIONAL FASCISM, I'LL CHOOSE NATIONAL FASCISM. Because if the control is here, in the USA, WE (Americans) have the possibility of fighting for our future. But if the nexus of control is spread across the globe, and the USA has no more control over its own economic, environmental, energy, labor etc policies than (say) Greece, but must bend to the will of some unreachable unelected organization someplace else ... WHAT THEN, SECOND?

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As the Daily Beast, which first reported about Zuckerberg's post, summarizes:

Discouraged by the underlying suspicion of foreign entities, as seen during the 2016 election and the rise of President Trump, Zuckerberg wrote that he wants to refocus Facebook on helping people come together access products across borders.

“We have to build a global community that works for everyone me . I really don’t have much doubt that this is the right direction to go in the long term.” Part of his goal, he wrote, is to make Facebook a global community that is supportive, safe, informed, civically engaged, and inclusive. supportive of our products

Some more excerpts from Zuckerberg's sermon for globalization:

On our journey to connect the world, we often discuss products we're building and updates on our business. Today I want to focus on the most important question of all: are we building the world we all want Am I making as much money as I want?

History is the story of how we've learned to come together in ever greater numbers -- from tribes to cities to nations. At each step, we built social infrastructure like communities, media and governments to empower us to achieve things we couldn't on our own make sure that most of us were heading in the same direction, which was usually the direction that made a few people fabulously wealthy

Today we are close to taking our next step. Our greatest opportunities are now global -- like spreading prosperity and freedom poverty and powerlessness , promoting peace and understanding advertising and propaganda , lifting people out of poverty independence , and accelerating science conformity . Our greatest challenges also need global responses -- like ending terrorism, fighting climate change, and preventing pandemics. Progress now requires humanity coming together not just as cities or nations, but also as a global community the borg.

This is especially important right now. Facebook stands for bringing us closer together me closer to total monopoly and building a global community gossip and groupthink. And while we're at it, advertizing products to captive eyeballs for the very rapacious companies that have made this planet a clusterfuck to begin with.

When we began, this idea was not controversial. successfully obscured Every year, the world got more connected and this was seen as a positive trend. Yet now, across the world there are people left behind hollowed out by globalization, and movements for withdrawing from global connection monopolization . There are questions about whether we can make a global community market that works for everyone makes money for me and whether the path ahead is to connect profit more or reverse course.

This is a time when many of us around the world are reflecting on how we can have the most positive impact still continue to make money in a fragmenting market. I am reminded of my favorite saying about technology: "We always overestimate what we can do in two years, and we underestimate what we can do in ten years." We I may not have the power to create the world we I want immediately, but we you can all start working on fulfilling my long-term vision

In times like these, the most important thing we at Facebook can do is develop the social infrastructure marketing to give corral people the power to build a global community monopoly that works for all of us. us and our advertizers.

There are many of us who stand for bringing people together and connecting making money off the entire world. I hope we have the focus to take the long view and build the new social infrastructure to create leach off the world we want for generations to come.

With the seal of criticism now official broken, we anticipate more tech CEOs will soon join the "resistance" with even louder, more dramatic statements of opposition to
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AH, THE TRUTH WILL OUT: MARK ZUCKERBERG HATES AMERICA,

Seriously, he hates America, Even the THOUGHT of America makes him sick, Yanno, kinda like THUGR, who can't even imagine what he's FOR about America.

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The first premise of your post was that it was not legal to post the contents of other peoples emails, therefore we did not see Clintons.

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The first premise of your post was that it was not legal to post the contents of other peoples emails, therefore we did not see Clintons.

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That is not at all what I said. The media told people that it was illegal for us to read Clinton's emails, therefore we should let them read them and tell us what was in them. Take a much needed course in reading comprehension for adults at your local community college.

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Jack you're chasing your tail here. You'll have to do that on your own.

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Jack you're chasing your tail here. You'll have to do that on your own.

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It's becoming clear that I'm wasting my time speaking with you. You suffer from some form of learning disability or something that makes it impossible to have intelligent conversation with you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Let me clear that up for you Jack. If you put forth an intelligent conversation you will get one back. So far you have yet to do so.

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Let me clear that up for you Jack. If you put forth an intelligent conversation you will get one back. So far you have yet to do so.

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I have yet to see an intelligent thing come from any of your posting since my sobriety THGGRI. When you're losing an argument, which is all of the time, you just lean back into your basket of deplorables insults or resort to calling somebody a troll or a communist sympatizer. But please, do continue to show everyone how obsessed you are with me.

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Oh, I forgot to mention that Trump's dementia is starting to show. If you can watch his news conference all the way to the end and think he has got all his marbles, you have lost your marbles. - SECOND

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Oh look, the deep state troll just posted. - THUGR

The term deep state is being used as a way to explain leaks within the White House. It's a conspiracy theory and why SIG says the CIA is staging a coup. She provides nothing to back that up.

It's the same with the Trump administration. The concept deep state is being used to deflect from and explain the investigations going on concerning Russia. As well as Trump and his aids constant lying. If they are not lying they are answering the questions of the press by changing the subject.

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Hot on the heels of retailers who have halted sales of Ivanka Trump's clothing line in protest against Trump (and free marketing buzz), the tech "resistance" against Trump got its lead from Facebook CEO Mark Zuckeberg who on Thursday posted a lengthy note "rebuking isolationist “America First” sentiment, and touting the merits of globalization and a “global community” working for innovation and progress."

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In short, the CEO of the "social network", whose business model is predicated upon uninhibited globalization allowing advertisers to reach into every corner of the world with 3 second video clips, is calling for a global government. Not all that surprising.

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As the Daily Beast, which first reported about Zuckerberg's post, summarizes:

Discouraged by the underlying suspicion of foreign entities, as seen during the 2016 election and the rise of President Trump, Zuckerberg wrote that he wants to refocus Facebook on helping people come together access products across borders.

“We have to build a global community that works for everyone me . I really don’t have much doubt that this is the right direction to go in the long term.” Part of his goal, he wrote, is to make Facebook a global community that is supportive, safe, informed, civically engaged, and inclusive. supportive of our products

Some more excerpts from Zuckerberg's sermon for globalization:

On our journey to connect the world, we often discuss products we're building and updates on our business. Today I want to focus on the most important question of all: are we building the world we all want Am I making as much money as I want?

History is the story of how we've learned to come together in ever greater numbers -- from tribes to cities to nations. At each step, we built social infrastructure like communities, media and governments to empower us to achieve things we couldn't on our own make sure that most of us were heading in the same direction, which was usually the direction that made a few people fabulously wealthy

Today we are close to taking our next step. Our greatest opportunities are now global -- like spreading prosperity and freedom poverty and powerlessness , promoting peace and understanding advertising and propaganda , lifting people out of poverty independence , and accelerating science conformity . Our greatest challenges also need global responses -- like ending terrorism, fighting climate change, and preventing pandemics. Progress now requires humanity coming together not just as cities or nations, but also as a global community the borg.

This is especially important right now. Facebook stands for bringing us closer together me closer to total monopoly and building a global community gossip and groupthink. And while we're at it, advertizing products to captive eyeballs for the very rapacious companies that have made this planet a clusterfuck to begin with.

When we began, this idea was not controversial. successfully obscured Every year, the world got more connected and this was seen as a positive trend. Yet now, across the world there are people left behind hollowed out by globalization, and movements for withdrawing from global connection monopolization . There are questions about whether we can make a global community market that works for everyone makes money for me and whether the path ahead is to connect profit more or reverse course.

This is a time when many of us around the world are reflecting on how we can have the most positive impact still continue to make money in a fragmenting market. I am reminded of my favorite saying about technology: "We always overestimate what we can do in two years, and we underestimate what we can do in ten years." We I may not have the power to create the world we I want immediately, but we you can all start working on fulfilling my long-term vision

In times like these, the most important thing we at Facebook can do is develop the social infrastructure marketing to give corral people the power to build a global community monopoly that works for all of us. us and our advertizers.

There are many of us who stand for bringing people together and connecting making money off the entire world. I hope we have the focus to take the long view and build the new social infrastructure to create leach off the world we want for generations to come.

With the seal of criticism now official broken, we anticipate more tech CEOs will soon join the "resistance" with even louder, more dramatic statements of opposition to
Trump's "America First" policies. Because we don't believe in America.

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Oh look, the deep state troll just posted. - THUGR

The term deep state is being used as a way to explain leaks within the White House. It's a conspiracy theory and why SIG says the CIA is staging a coup. She provides nothing to back that up.

It's the same with the Trump administration. The concept deep state is being used to deflect from and explain the investigations going on concerning Russia. As well as Trump and his aids constant lying. If they are not lying they are answering the questions of the press by changing the subject.

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Oh look, the Deep State Troll is defending itself.

It's no good, THUGR. You have finally outed yourself as a supporter of the deep state. You have said nothing against it, are constantly defending it and its actions, no matter how heinous. That just goes to show who you really are: a paid troll. They should get their money back.

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