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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 7:41 PM

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Many places I've lived have a local personality types that outsiders identify as lack of intelligence. I've made the mistake myself, and I don't intend to make it again. That said, I think Ivanka may be smarter than him. But I'm not saying by any means that he's not smart. I think he is so far outwitting his detractors. That said, Obama was far smarter than Bush, but it didn't lead to better policy, it led to the same bad policy being done better. So I tend to weigh more "what does he intend to do?"

I gave George W Bush 18 months, I can give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 7:59 PM

THGRRI

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Trump

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Many places I've lived have a local personality types that outsiders identify as lack of intelligence. I've made the mistake myself, and I don't intend to make it again. That said, I think Ivanka may be smarter than him. But I'm not saying by any means that he's not smart. I think he is so far outwitting his detractors. That said, Obama was far smarter than Bush, but it didn't lead to better policy, it led to the same bad policy being done better. So I tend to weigh more "what does he intend to do?"

I gave George W Bush 18 months, I can give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

I'm sorry did I miss something. Did Obama start a war. Don't say Libya because the French led that. Remember all the republicans complaining how Obama leads from behind? The French are our allies and we needed to have their backs. Don't say drone strikes on DASH or Al-Quaeda, because no wars have started over those.

I noticed you posted Obama was guilty of genocide. You need to explain that to have any credibility that what you post, based on what you think, isn't crap. And if local personality's spew garbage due to a lack of knowledge about what they speak, than what you need to do is be polite while you educate them. If they are open to it, move on.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 8:49 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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The bestest way to win a war is to prevent it from happening. Talk softly and carry a big stick.

We've had the biggest stick since WWII - how many wars has that kept us out of? We don't need another big stick.

Thanks funny. Under Carter's blueprint, Bobo shouted loudly and carried a toothpick, err, make that his pen and his phone.

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:14 PM

DREAMTROVE

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I'm sorry did I miss something. Did Obama start a war.

Yep. If you really care, I can list them for you, but I'm sure there are a lot of websites that will do the same. I already posted the Rat Line article here. But here it is again.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-
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And if local personality's spew garbage due to a lack of knowledge about what they speak, than what you need to do is be polite while you educate them. If they are open to it, move on.

City boy?

Keep the Shiny side up.

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"That's Arab Spring" aka, CIA-JSOC total war, red being bloody. Those Mediterranean ones are all us, the peninsular ones are not.
The dark grey are wars, and Obama's govt. was knee deep in many of them, starting the one in pakistan, south sudan, inheriting iraq and expanding afghanistan, and also getting into uganda, CAR, Nigeria, Somalia.)

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:16 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Under Obama's 2 terms the US had the biggest stick, and he talked softly. I am ok with that.

If he hadn't had HRC and many others in his cabinet and govt., than I suspect he would have left it at that, and then I'd be okay with it.

I'm more worried about the people around Trump than Trump himself. Fortunately, they're a lot easier to remove if they get out of line. Right now the one that worries me the most is Bannon. Seems Tillerson is there to make this deal. That I can deal with. I doubt he'll start a war. We just have to watch out for someone who might being put in that sort of position. What we can do about it? If it comes to that, find something damning about a nominee and mail it to a congressman. That actually does get results. (I was a little surprised that Sessions got confirmed. He's been knocked down for nominations before. Maybe his fellow senators were just sick of him ::evil)

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 9:51 PM

THGRRI

Nothing but crap dreamtrove. Obama did not start any wars. List the countries that are at war with us. Wars Obama started. Like I said, the Libyan war was not started by us. Shit, it was a civil war, look it up. The French got involved, we backed them up. List the countries where Obama committed genocide. You made the claim.

It's easy for some to only find fault in others and perceive themselves as special, superior. And it's funny how those same people blame America for everything that goes on in the world. We have a couple here. Hope you ain't another one.

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I'm sorry did I miss something. Did Obama start a war.

Yep. If you really care, I can list them for you, but I'm sure there are a lot of websites that will do the same. I already posted the Rat Line article here. But here it is again.
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-
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And if local personality's spew garbage due to a lack of knowledge about what they speak, than what you need to do is be polite while you educate them. If they are open to it, move on.
City boy?

Keep the Shiny side up.

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Arab_Spring_and_Regional_Conflict_Map.svg/940px-Arab_Spring_and_Regional_Conflict_Map.svg.png
"That's Arab Spring" aka, CIA-JSOC total war, red being bloody. Those Mediterranean ones are all us, the peninsular ones are not.
The dark grey are wars, and Obama's govt. was knee deep in many of them, starting the one in pakistan, south sudan, inheriting iraq and expanding afghanistan, and also getting into uganda, CAR, Nigeria, Somalia.)

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Tuesday, March 7, 2017 10:14 PM

DREAMTROVE

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Nothing but crap

No sane person would read any further

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Obama did not start any wars.

I'm not a sane person

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List the countries that are at war with us.

I just listed the wars.

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it was a civil war, look it up.

Okay, I'm not going to be the one to break the peace.
I really suggest your read the Seymour Hersh piece. Sy knows this way better than any of us.

Ps. 5 years of threads on the topic, right here, in the archive, with pictures of the concentrations camps, inside and out, the bodies, death tolls, everything posted right here. You can see me denying reality, get it proven to me, and cave, all here on the board, for years. I'm not digging it all up right now. A lot of interesting stuff posted here though, I've learned a lot.

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 6:54 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by G:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
The bestest way to win a war is to prevent it from happening. Talk softly and carry a big stick.

We've had the biggest stick since WWII - how many wars has that kept us out of? We don't need another big stick.

Thanks funny. Under Carter's blueprint, Bobo shouted loudly and carried a toothpick, err, make that his pen and his phone.

Under Obama's 2 terms the US had the biggest stick, and he talked softly. I am ok with that.

Are you referring to the stick he gave to Russia? Or the stick he sold to Iran? Or the stick he stabbed in the back in Benghazi? Or the stick he smashed and broke after Desert Shield? Or the stick he whittled down to a reed?
If he had a stick, he had no clue how to carry it. Bobo only could jam a stick up his butt and hope it would brush away his disasters as it followed him.

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:10 PM

THGRRI

The article you quote speaks of possible mistakes in judgement by the Obama administration concerning Syria. And if so probably based on faulty intelligence. Not that Obama led the charge like Russia in killing civilians, targeting and bombing hospitals and dropping barrel bombs indiscriminately. And I don't see any documents backing up his claims. Much of what he says may be correct but Obama was making the best of a very bad situation. A situation made worse by the Russians. After all, it was everybody in Syria against Russia and Assad. It's almost impossible to sort out who's who except DASH. Excluding DASH, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Till he isn't. We didn't do business with Al Qaeda. Some of those who we supported did, out of necessity.

It's always been our allies first when it comes to Libya. Also, you said Obama is responsible for several wars and genocide. I'm still waiting for some proof of that.

Viewpoint: How Libya Became a French and British War;

By Michael Elliott Saturday, Mar. 19, 2011

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, on the situation in Libya, is a measure that was adopted on 17 March 2011. The Security Council resolution was proposed by France, Lebanon, and the United Kingdom.

As the military action against Libya to give teeth to U.N. Security Council resolution 1973 began, one question kept nagging away: Why, precisely, were the governments of Britain and France in the lead? Why were their armed forces taking part in the military action, and why had their diplomats done the grunt work in the negotiations that led to adoption of the resolution?

It is not an easy question to answer. British Prime Minister David Cameron said that the military action against Muammar Gaddafi was "necessary, it is legal and it is right." Right, "because I don't believe that we should stand aside while this dictator murders his own people." French President Sarkozy said, "If we intervene on the side of the Arab nations it is because of a universal conscience that cannot tolerate such crimes." I'm not one of those cynics who assumes that such statements are devoid of content; in any event, they are grounded in language that was already quite condemnatory of Libya in resolution 1973. But the rhetoric doesn't really answer the question: Why intervene?

Is what happens in Libya of direct national interest to Britain and France? To be sure, Libya is across the Mediterranean Sea from Europe, and its trade is directed mainly there. But Libya is a nation of only 6.5 million people. For comparison, that is a bit more than the population of El Salvador and a bit less than Honduras', and whatever happened in the Cold War, it's been a while since U.S. policymakers have argued that what goes on in Central American nations is of such pressing national interest to the U.S. that it would legitimize armed intervention there.

http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2060412,00.html

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Nothing but crap

No sane person would read any further
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Obama did not start any wars.

I'm not a sane person
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List the countries that are at war with us.

I just listed the wars.
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it was a civil war, look it up.

Okay, I'm not going to be the one to break the peace.
I really suggest your read the Seymour Hersh piece. Sy knows this way better than any of us.

Ps. 5 years of threads on the topic, right here, in the archive, with pictures of the concentrations camps, inside and out, the bodies, death tolls, everything posted right here. You can see me denying reality, get it proven to me, and cave, all here on the board, for years. I'm not digging it all up right now. A lot of interesting stuff posted here though, I've learned a lot.

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Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:41 PM

DREAMTROVE

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I think this is disingenuous to try to deliberate represent the state of affairs as different from what you and I know it be, and different from what the links suggest, or any google search we return.

I think people here tend to think for themselves, and it would be a waste of time trying to paint the picture for them.

Re: arab spring, the token okay in a number of nations for what are by the numbers, overwhelmingly US actions is a matter of politics, but not constituting a civil war. I tend to agree with SignyM's suggestion at the time that it was Qaddafi's removal of his oil form the dollar to the Euro, and his subsequent announcement of his intent to shift it again to a gold backed African Dinar that led to our operation, not any hold over from colonialism.

Re: Libya, Benghazi, Al Nusra, the gas attacks, this is all straightforward, and ends in the loss of a million lives in a border war, and I don't see Russia as doing anything here other than helping their long term ally, Syria, defend against a severe series of terrorist attacks, and the UN later found the same, and quite recently the turks involved confessed to their part, completely backing up Sy Hersh's story.

Benghazi is one of many epic failures of the last administration, and the previous ones, foreign policy. I, for one, welcome the change. Where it will bring us? I don't know. Anywhere we've been since Reagan has been a pretty bad place to be.

BTW, If I didn't already do this, please add Mexico, and Ukraine, to the failure list.

G,

6 has a point, and I sort of reacted the same way. I'd grant that was Obama's initial intent, or stated intent, whether any president means what they say or not is hard to tell, but the result was chaos, as far as foreign policy went. The left media did not really cover our WWII level of international involvement, which was doable because a lot of it was done under the cover of programs like JSOC, COIN and CANVAS, and not under overt US military command. That was primarily to avoid congressional oversight and legal intervention, which, whether intentionally or otherwise, led to an obscene level of human rights abuses, particularly in Waziristan, Swat Valley, Baluchistan and Khandar. All of those are pashtun kingdoms on the border between pakistan and afghanistan. What we have now is the Pashtun are accusing us of a genocide on the scale of the holocaust. It's very difficult to prove them wrong. At one point an I saw one administration official admit to 4 million civilian casualties across the entire conflict, including Syria and Arab Spring. In the end, no one knows how many people were killed, not even in the holocaust, but more than a million, and that's all we need to know.

Which is part of why some of us on the left were so vehemently anti-Hillary. It doesn't get any better the further you look. But do look. I start with things like Sy Hersh's column in the New Yorker, also the Nation, anything with that level of credibility, look internationally. The muslim sources you have to take with some amount of salt, but if they say something, I tend to accept it if I can't prove it wrong. They're a lot better than our own media, but still prone to exaggeration. All I know is the end result, and it ain't pretty. I'm not putting any faith in Trump, because I know he might very well do something similar any day. I'm not happy about the Yemen affair. Which no one has mentioned.

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