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just "he's guilty of treason. Fuck him!"

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RF couldn't have said it better himself. But you don't have a problem with that when it comes from 'your' side.

btw, I'm not expecting anything remotely resembling a civil discussion about the topic from you, or even a semi-coherent one. I completely expect nothing but vile personal invective and drunken ranting.

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just "he's guilty of treason. Fuck him!"

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RF couldn't have said it better himself. But you don't have a problem with that when it comes from 'your' side.

btw, I'm not expecting anything remotely resembling a civil discussion about the topic from you, or even a semi-coherent one. I completely expect nothing but vile personal invective and drunken ranting.

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Originally posted by 6STRINGJOKER:
Nope. Never going to listen to Rachel speak. Just looking at her face makes me taste vomit.

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Really pathetic and weak response, but okay, it's hard to be in the lead because you gotta keep looking over your shoulder.

Allow me to expound/explain:

Followed by a little bitch move that obviously was set up by the Trump White House. Nunes puts his foot squarely in his mouth and scampers off to "reveal" a giant secret to the press (duh!) and the president, for whom he worked on the transition. Conflict of Interest much!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
You see, rustybadguy, YOUR side is deeply anti-democratic. It loves hate speech, wants to kill entire categories of people, and remove a democratically elected president.

posted by reaverfan

Trump's Obama's going to get what he deserves. I can't wait.
He'll die in prison.
Real patriotic Americans will dance in the streets.

Real patriots who love America don't tolerate treason. The penalty is death. So be it.

Are you sure? That's usually what conservatards libtards and Jesus-idiot atheist zombies do.

It almost hurts to be so right all the time. I called it, yet again.
If you use your brain as much as I do, you, too, can get it right all the time!

He's a full-on white supremacist Nazi black radical commie sympathizer.

Go insult some black white people, fascist commie idiot.

LOL! Yeah, right!
Putin's Obama's supported all the reichwing idiots Saudi jihadists all over Europe the globe. He's a murderous fascist dictator, and your apologetics won't change that fact.

Hang him for treason, then go down the line with the rest of the Trump Russian Obama neo-con traitors.
End this disgrace.

Drunk piece of shit Nazi government says what?

Russian deep-state paid troll says what?
Derp.

I'm an anti-fascist anti-democracy.
Do you know what we do to fascists pro-democracy people ? Looks like you'll find out, Nazi pro-democracy boy.
That is, if you ever get your drunk ass out of the house.

Jack's a full on 100% neo-Nazi racist pos pro-democracy, pro-US patriot.
Of course he hates women traitors, because they all reject his hater ass.

"Cuck?" Really? You're one of those reichwing Nazi shiteaters, pro-democracy people aren't you?
I got your cuck right here, bitch. Fuck you, Nazi pro-democracy boy.
Your kind LIKE THE JEWS will be wiped from the earth.


Stupid people believe this.
You're clearly stupid, Nazi pro-democracy boy.

Yup. The greatest terror threat to Americans today is from reichwing Nazi pro-democracy types, like Six-string Adolph Reverend Wright.

Herr Cheeto needs to go. BECAUSE ELIMINATING A DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT IS PRO-DEMOCRACY.

Wow. That's a lot of fake news just to prove yourself wrong. Hannity The NYTimes lied through its teeth (again). Delusional.

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SHINYSTUPIDGUY, I'm going to explain this real slowly - again- so ... that... maybe ... you'll ... get... it... THIS.... time.

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Really pathetic and weak response, but okay, it's hard to be in the lead because you gotta keep looking over your shoulder.

Allow me to expound/explain:

Followed by a little bitch move that obviously was set up by the Trump White House. Nunes puts his foot squarely in his mouth and scampers off to "reveal" a giant secret to the press (duh!) and the president, for whom he worked on the transition. Conflict of Interest much!

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Do you have any idea what Nunes told Trump?

Of course not.

But just in case you might have missed it, TRUMP IS PRESIDENT. There is NO classification of information that Trump doesn't legally have access to. Whatever Nunes told Trump .... whatever it was ... there was no breach of security. Maybe there was a conflcit of interest. OTOH, maybe Nunes was passing on information that THE PRESIDENT should know. You don't know, and I sure don't know.

Now, as far as what Nunes shared with the press: It was evidence-free, and fairly vague, allegations about CIA/ FBI/ NSA snooping ... the kind of information that has already been reported and widely discussed in MANY articles.

This is pretty similar to what the anti-Trump "leakers" are "sharing" with the press. MOST of it is vague, non-probative, evidence-free insinuations. HOWEVER, the anti-Trump leakers did at least one major illegal "oops" - they "unblinded" the name of one of the "incidental" targets of surveillance. I've listened to parts of the Committee hearings, and Trey Gowdy in prosecutor mode, repeatedly made the following comment to Comey: "I only see one illegal thing here, and that was the unmasking of an American citizen's name"

Nunes is part-owner of a a winery which sells to Russia? REALLY??

Sessions talked to the Russian ambassador at a conference? OMG!!

Roger Stone contacted Guccifer AFTER Guccifer 2.0 released his info? GOOD LORD! CALL THE COPS!!

Three of the four people who have been smeared in this whole "investigation" - Manafort, Stone, and Page - have all requested to testify before the committee. The fourth - Flynn- has not been heard from since he was allowed to resign. Since he was head of the DIA at one time, it may be that much of what he says simply can't be said in open testimony, but only time and attention will reveal actual events.






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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, if it was ok to leak information about Trump and cohorts, it was ok for information to be leaked to Nunes.

Right?

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

FUCK YOU and THE BROOMSTICK YOU FLEW IN ON!

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Gas From Israel And The Flynn Wiretapping - Behind The Deep-State Infighting Over The Trump Election


What is really behind the deep-state infighting over the U.S. elections and the "wire tapping" of the Trump campaign? Why was the CIA-Neocon axis vehemently lobbying against Trump? What foreign interests and what money is involved in this? Answers to these questions are now emerging.

The former director of the CIA under Clinton, James Woolsey, went to the Wall Street Journal and offered some information (likely some true and some false) on the retired General Flynn and the lobbying businesses he was involved in. Woolsey is an arch-neoconservative. He had worked on the transition team of Trump but got fired over "growing tensions over Trump’s vision for intelligence agencies." Flynn is the former National Security Advisor of Trump who later also got fired. Woolsey was a board member of Flynn's former lobbying company FIG.

Woolsey claims: In September 2016 he took part in a meeting between Flynn and high level Turkish officials, including the Turkish foreign minister and the energy minister who is the son-in-law of the Turkish president Erdogan. During the meeting, Woolsey claims, a brainstorming took place over how the Turkish cult leader Fethullah Gülen could -probably by illegal means- be removed from the U.S. and handed over to Turkey.

Gülen is accused by the Erdogan mafia of initiating a coup attempt against it. The U.S. claims officially that there is no evidence for such an accusation and that Gülen can therefore not be rendered to Turkey. Gülen is an old CIA asset that helped the U.S. deep state to control Turkey. Erdogan divorced from the Gülen organization after it became useless for his neo-Ottoman project.

Here is the WSJ report on the Woolsey claims and a video clip with parts of his WSJ interview. Woolsey also went on CNN where he repeated his WSJ story.

Flynn was accused by the anti-Trump campaign to have worked for Russia. He had taken several $10,000 for speeches he gave in Moscow. He also, at times, had argued for better U.S. relations with Russia. But Flynn's pro-Russia stand was probably honest. (Or the bribes involved were just smaller than the ones paid by others.) The money he got on the speaker circus was rather small for a man in his position.

Flynn's real corruption was on another issue. After having been fired from the Trump administration, Flynn retroactively filed under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). His lobbying firm had a contract over $530,000 to work for a company near to the Turkish president Erdogan:

In its filing, Mr. Flynn’s firm said its work from August to November “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” The filing said his firm’s fee, $530,000, wasn’t paid by the government but by Inovo BV, a Dutch firm owned by a Turkish businessman, Ekim Alptekin.

This lobbying, not the alleged Flynn-Putin relation, is the real scandal and part of the Trump/CIA/Clinton deep-state in-fighting.

The meeting Woolsey described was under the "Turkish" Flynn contract. The Turkish business man, and owner of Inovo, Ekim Alptekin is a member of the Erdogan gang. But hidden at the very end of the WSJ story is the real key to understand the shady network:

Inovo hired Mr. Flynn on behalf of an Israeli company seeking to export natural gas to Turkey, the filing said, and Mr. Alptekin wanted information on the U.S.-Turkey political climate to advise the gas company about its Turkish investments.

It was the Israeli gas company, not the Alptekin outlet, that drove the issue.

The Leviatan (and Tamar) gas fields in the Mediterranean along the Israeli coast are a huge energy and profit resource IF the gas from them can be exported to Europe. Several companies are involved in the exploration and all are looking for ways to connect the fields to the European gas network. There are (likely true) rumors that huge bribes have been payed in Israel, Jordan and elsewhere to win exploration contracts and to sell the gas. Negotiations between Israel and Turkey over the pipeline have been on and off. They depend on a positive climate towards Israel in the Turkish government which again depends on the often changing political position of the Erdogan gang.

The picture evolving here (lots of sleuthing and sources) is this:

An Israeli company (or whoever is behind it) wants a gas pipeline to Turkey. It hires Flynn and Alptekin to arrange a positive climate for the Leviathan pipeline within the Turkish government. It offers Flynn more than half a million for a little (4-month long) influence work. His job is to create a "friendly atmosphere" for the deal by using his influence in the U.S. to accommodate Erdogan. A major point that is expected from Flynn is to arrange the handover of Gülen, by whatever means, from the U.S. to Erdogan.

After accepting the (lobbying) bribe Flynn-the-whore suddenly changes his former anti-Turkish, pro-Russian, pro-Kurdish political position into a pro-Turkish, neutral-Russian and anti-Kurdish one. (His lobbying firm also makes some smaller payments related to the Clinton email-server scandal. This may be related to links between the Clinton family and the Gülen school empire.) He has a meeting with the Turkish government/Erdogan officials part of which is a discussion of a removal of Gülen to Turkey. He pens a pro Erdogan anti-Gülen op-ed which is published on the day of the election and he denigrates the Pentagon plan to work with the Kurds in Syria.

The NSA, CIA and the FBI are listening to Flynn's conversations with Turkish and Israeli interests. (For the old and long history of such "wiretapping" of Turkish and Israeli connections and various dirty and criminal deals they revealed read and ask Sibel Edmonds.)

The projects which Flynn is involved in, especially removing Gülen, are against the long term interests of the (neoconservative-driven) CIA. Selected tapes of his talks are transcribed and distributed within the anti-Trump campaign. This is the origin of the "wiretapping" of the Trump Tower the U.S. president lamented about. The stuff the CIA dug up about Flynn's dealing was and is used against Trump.

Woolsey is caught up in this as he also worked for Flynn's lobbying firm. (His neocon-pro-Zionist history suggests that he is the senior Israeli watchdog over Flynn in all this.) He is now engaged in damage control and is "coming clean" and selectively leaking his anti-Flynn stuff to exculpate himself. (There is probably also some new, better deal involved that will pay off from him.)

The Israeli-Turkish pipeline and the related deep-state fight are not the only issue involved in the campaign against Trump. There are also British interests and British intelligence involvement especially with the accusations against Russia of "hacking" of the DNC. If and how these fit in with above has not yet been revealed.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

FUCK YOU and THE BROOMSTICK YOU FLEW IN ON!

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lol... tool.

Hey. At least he doesn't go around calling everyone a Nazi like the other tool.

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So, everyone smeared by this "investigation" - Manafort, Stone, Page, and even a Russian businessman or two - have requested to testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee. They want to clear their name, and the only way that they can do that is to be able to face their accusers and testify on their own behalf. It would be unfair and un-American not to let them.

BTW- I've read that Nunes has made his own contacts to within the intelligence agencies, and that he has previously received whistle-blower-type info from these contacts. When I can recall where I read that, I'll post a link.

In any case, one name conspicuously absent from the roster of voluntary witnesses is Flynn. I supposed that since he was an intelligence officer, different rules might apply. But it seems that there is more than meets the eye, and the problem might not be BUT RUSSIA! More like BUT ISRAEL! and BUT TURKEY!

Without further ado, from Moon of Alabama.

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Gas From Israel And The Flynn Wiretapping - Behind The Deep-State Infighting Over The Trump Election


What is really behind the deep-state infighting over the U.S. elections and the "wire tapping" of the Trump campaign? Why was the CIA-Neocon axis vehemently lobbying against Trump? What foreign interests and what money is involved in this? Answers to these questions are now emerging.

The former director of the CIA under Clinton, James Woolsey, went to the Wall Street Journal and offered some information (likely some true and some false) on the retired General Flynn and the lobbying businesses he was involved in. Woolsey is an arch-neoconservative. He had worked on the transition team of Trump but got fired over "growing tensions over Trump’s vision for intelligence agencies." Flynn is the former National Security Advisor of Trump who later also got fired. Woolsey was a board member of Flynn's former lobbying company FIG.

Woolsey claims: In September 2016 he took part in a meeting between Flynn and high level Turkish officials, including the Turkish foreign minister and the energy minister who is the son-in-law of the Turkish president Erdogan. During the meeting, Woolsey claims, a brainstorming took place over how the Turkish cult leader Fethullah Gülen could -probably by illegal means- be removed from the U.S. and handed over to Turkey.

Gülen is accused by the Erdogan mafia of initiating a coup attempt against it. The U.S. claims officially that there is no evidence for such an accusation and that Gülen can therefore not be rendered to Turkey. Gülen is an old CIA asset that helped the U.S. deep state to control Turkey. Erdogan divorced from the Gülen organization after it became useless for his neo-Ottoman project.

Here is the WSJ report on the Woolsey claims and a video clip with parts of his WSJ interview. Woolsey also went on CNN where he repeated his WSJ story.

Flynn was accused by the anti-Trump campaign to have worked for Russia. He had taken several $10,000 for speeches he gave in Moscow. He also, at times, had argued for better U.S. relations with Russia. But Flynn's pro-Russia stand was probably honest. (Or the bribes involved were just smaller than the ones paid by others.) The money he got on the speaker circus was rather small for a man in his position.

Flynn's real corruption was on another issue. After having been fired from the Trump administration, Flynn retroactively filed under the Foreign Agent Registration Act (FARA). His lobbying firm had a contract over $530,000 to work for a company near to the Turkish president Erdogan:

In its filing, Mr. Flynn’s firm said its work from August to November “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey.” The filing said his firm’s fee, $530,000, wasn’t paid by the government but by Inovo BV, a Dutch firm owned by a Turkish businessman, Ekim Alptekin.

This lobbying, not the alleged Flynn-Putin relation, is the real scandal and part of the Trump/CIA/Clinton deep-state in-fighting.

The meeting Woolsey described was under the "Turkish" Flynn contract. The Turkish business man, and owner of Inovo, Ekim Alptekin is a member of the Erdogan gang. But hidden at the very end of the WSJ story is the real key to understand the shady network:

Inovo hired Mr. Flynn on behalf of an Israeli company seeking to export natural gas to Turkey, the filing said, and Mr. Alptekin wanted information on the U.S.-Turkey political climate to advise the gas company about its Turkish investments.

It was the Israeli gas company, not the Alptekin outlet, that drove the issue.

The Leviatan (and Tamar) gas fields in the Mediterranean along the Israeli coast are a huge energy and profit resource IF the gas from them can be exported to Europe. Several companies are involved in the exploration and all are looking for ways to connect the fields to the European gas network. There are (likely true) rumors that huge bribes have been payed in Israel, Jordan and elsewhere to win exploration contracts and to sell the gas. Negotiations between Israel and Turkey over the pipeline have been on and off. They depend on a positive climate towards Israel in the Turkish government which again depends on the often changing political position of the Erdogan gang.

The picture evolving here (lots of sleuthing and sources) is this:

An Israeli company (or whoever is behind it) wants a gas pipeline to Turkey. It hires Flynn and Alptekin to arrange a positive climate for the Leviathan pipeline within the Turkish government. It offers Flynn more than half a million for a little (4-month long) influence work. His job is to create a "friendly atmosphere" for the deal by using his influence in the U.S. to accommodate Erdogan. A major point that is expected from Flynn is to arrange the handover of Gülen, by whatever means, from the U.S. to Erdogan.

After accepting the (lobbying) bribe Flynn-the-whore suddenly changes his former anti-Turkish, pro-Russian, pro-Kurdish political position into a pro-Turkish, neutral-Russian and anti-Kurdish one. (His lobbying firm also makes some smaller payments related to the Clinton email-server scandal. This may be related to links between the Clinton family and the Gülen school empire.) He has a meeting with the Turkish government/Erdogan officials part of which is a discussion of a removal of Gülen to Turkey. He pens a pro Erdogan anti-Gülen op-ed which is published on the day of the election and he denigrates the Pentagon plan to work with the Kurds in Syria.

The NSA, CIA and the FBI are listening to Flynn's conversations with Turkish and Israeli interests. (For the old and long history of such "wiretapping" of Turkish and Israeli connections and various dirty and criminal deals they revealed read and ask Sibel Edmonds.)

The projects which Flynn is involved in, especially removing Gülen, are against the long term interests of the (neoconservative-driven) CIA. Selected tapes of his talks are transcribed and distributed within the anti-Trump campaign. This is the origin of the "wiretapping" of the Trump Tower the U.S. president lamented about. The stuff the CIA dug up about Flynn's dealing was and is used against Trump.

Woolsey is caught up in this as he also worked for Flynn's lobbying firm. (His neocon-pro-Zionist history suggests that he is the senior Israeli watchdog over Flynn in all this.) He is now engaged in damage control and is "coming clean" and selectively leaking his anti-Flynn stuff to exculpate himself. (There is probably also some new, better deal involved that will pay off from him.)

The Israeli-Turkish pipeline and the related deep-state fight are not the only issue involved in the campaign against Trump. There are also British interests and British intelligence involvement especially with the accusations against Russia of "hacking" of the DNC. If and how these fit in with above has not yet been revealed.

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SHINYSTUPIDGUY, I'm going to explain this real slowly - again- so ... that... maybe ... you'll ... get... it... THIS.... time.

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Really pathetic and weak response, but okay, it's hard to be in the lead because you gotta keep looking over your shoulder.

Allow me to expound/explain:

Followed by a little bitch move that obviously was set up by the Trump White House. Nunes puts his foot squarely in his mouth and scampers off to "reveal" a giant secret to the press (duh!) and the president, for whom he worked on the transition. Conflict of Interest much!

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Do you have any idea what Nunes told Trump?

Of course not.

But just in case you might have missed it, TRUMP IS PRESIDENT. There is NO classification of information that Trump doesn't legally have access to. Whatever Nunes told Trump .... whatever it was ... there was no breach of security. Maybe there was a conflcit of interest. OTOH, maybe Nunes was passing on information that THE PRESIDENT should know. You don't know, and I sure don't know.

Now, as far as what Nunes shared with the press: It was evidence-free, and fairly vague, allegations about CIA/ FBI/ NSA snooping ... the kind of information that has already been reported and widely discussed in MANY articles.

This is pretty similar to what the anti-Trump "leakers" are "sharing" with the press. MOST of it is vague, non-probative, evidence-free insinuations. HOWEVER, the anti-Trump leakers did at least one major illegal "oops" - they "unblinded" the name of one of the "incidental" targets of surveillance. I've listened to parts of the Committee hearings, and Trey Gowdy in prosecutor mode, repeatedly made the following comment to Comey: "I only see one illegal thing here, and that was the unmasking of an American citizen's name"

Nunes is part-owner of a a winery which sells to Russia? REALLY??

Sessions talked to the Russian ambassador at a conference? OMG!!

Roger Stone contacted Guccifer AFTER Guccifer 2.0 released his info? GOOD LORD! CALL THE COPS!!

Three of the four people who have been smeared in this whole "investigation" - Manafort, Stone, and Page - have all requested to testify before the committee. The fourth - Flynn- has not been heard from since he was allowed to resign. Since he was head of the DIA at one time, it may be that much of what he says simply can't be said in open testimony, but only time and attention will reveal actual events.






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lol... tool.

Hey. At least he doesn't go around calling everyone a Nazi like the other tool.

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Last year, the Comey-led investigation secured approval from the secret court that oversees the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to monitor the communications of Manafort, as well as former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page, as part of the investigation into Russian meddling.

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