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The problem is that Trump has an appetite for chaos, while Congress, both Democrats and Republicans, do not.

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Yes, because control by oligarchy is so much more preferable.

Frankly, the Dems and Repubs are gorram horrible, and our policies are so self-destructive that their preferred path will only end in tears, and worse. I would rather have a few feathers fly and hear some squawking than have things continue as they have been. We need change. And change isn't always safe or easy - just look at colonial America.

Trump is not the banner-holder that I want. But compared to the people, policies, and institutions that have ossified in DC I prefer Trump. If he can't drain the swamp, let him at least stir it up a little. If he can get rid of deep state asshats and self-dealing politicians, THEN he can leave office. Drain the fucking swamp first.

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I ASKED YOU WHAT YOU THINK. DO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY THAT MEMBERS OF ANY CONGRESS WOULD IMPEACH ANY PRESIDENT BASED OFF OF GOSSIP THAT IS AVAILABLE.

YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU. YOU.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WHAT DO YOU THINK?

Seriously Second. WTF is wrong with you?

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I ASKED YOU WHAT YOU THINK. DO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY THAT MEMBERS OF ANY CONGRESS WOULD IMPEACH ANY PRESIDENT BASED OFF OF GOSSIP THAT IS AVAILABLE.

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If Congress can find a plausible reason, it sure would impeach Trump.

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I ASKED YOU WHAT YOU THINK. DO YOU THINK IT'S OKAY THAT MEMBERS OF ANY CONGRESS WOULD IMPEACH ANY PRESIDENT BASED OFF OF GOSSIP THAT IS AVAILABLE.

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If Congress can find a plausible reason, it sure would impeach Trump.

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Not what you said and not what I asked.

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The correct answer is No. Not under any circumstances.

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to accuse (a public official) before an appropriate tribunal of misconduct in office.
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Chiefly Law. to challenge the credibility of:
to impeach a witness.
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to bring an accusation against.
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to call in question; cast an imputation upon:
to impeach a person's motives.
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Mr. Flynn’s disclosure, on Jan. 4, was first made to the transition team’s chief lawyer, Donald F. McGahn II, who is now the White House counsel. That conversation, and another one two days later between Mr. Flynn’s lawyer and transition lawyers, shows that the Trump team knew about the investigation of Mr. Flynn far earlier than has been previously reported.

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What if Hillary had done what Trump has done?

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Hillary would do worse. Instead of cooperating with Russia to defeat an actual threat - ISIS - she'd be escalating confrontation with Russia and jonesing for nuclear war.

But you don't care about that.

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Jason Chaffetz, the finger-in-the-wind Chair of the House Oversight Committee, has requested all of former FBI Director James Comey’s records detailing interactions with Trump. Cathy McMorris Rogers from the House GOP leadership backed Chaffetz’s letter and so did Speaker Paul Ryan.

It’s an extremely modest move, but it’s a significant one. The policy of shutting down all oversight or investigation is no longer tenable. And once Republicans start tugging on the string, it’s not clear they can stop the whole sweater from unraveling. Here comes President Pence.

As Ross Douthat writes, if you “read the things that these people, members of his inner circle, his personally selected appointees, say daily through anonymous quotations to the press” it’s clear that “they have no respect for him, indeed they seem to palpate with contempt for him, and to regard their mission as equivalent to being stewards for a syphilitic emperor.”
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First, the House of Representatives votes on one or more articles of impeachment. If at least one gets a majority vote, the president is impeached — which essentially means being indicted. (In both the Nixon and the Clinton cases, the House Judiciary Committee considered the matter first.)
Next, the proceedings move to the Senate, which holds a trial overseen by the chief justice of the Supreme Court.
A team of lawmakers from the House, known as managers, play the role of prosecutors. The president has defense lawyers, and the Senate serves as the jury.
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Were the Comey memos signed by a Notary that was actually in the meetings? Unless they were, although they might be interesting to read, I don't think anybody would actually call them the Ace in the Hole.

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If Trump is going to get the boot, they're going to need a lot more than memos of a disgruntled ex-employee Comey to do it. He's the biggest scapegoat we've seen this century. At least the biggest since Bartman was blamed for the Cubs losing the 2003 National League Championship.

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I can't see the future. Nobody wins all the games.

I just don't think he's under .500 right now.


I'm not happy about some of the REAL issues and choices that he's made so far, but I'm still not buying into any of this Russia narrative. Let's see some actual proof that isn't circumstantial or based off of anonymous sources or angry fired people please.

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-
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The usual unnamed officials, anonymous sources, and undisclosed reports.

And the caveat in the original WaPo story; "As president, Trump has broad authority to declassify government secrets, making it unlikely that his disclosures broke the law."

There's not much 'there', there.

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Result? Layers of falsehoods giving the impression of an elaborate cover-up — in the absence of a crime. At least Nixon was trying to quash a burglary and associated felonies. Here we don’t even have a body, let alone a smoking gun. Trump insists there’s no there there, but acts as if the there is everywhere.

I forgot that Trump did the same thing again: Trumped divulged classified information to the Russians. Once again, the cover-up far exceeded the crime. Trump had three top officials come out and declare the disclosure story false. The next morning, Trump tweeted he was entirely within his rights to reveal what he revealed, thereby verifying the truth of the story. His national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, floundered his way through a news conference, trying to reconcile his initial denial with Trump’s subsequent contradiction. It was a sorry sight.

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There are several things wrong with your "just look at colonial America". George Washington, richest man in North America, was the general. His army officers were the elite of the colonies. His army was only thousands because the millions of colonists would not fight on his side. The top 1% have been running it from the beginning.- SECOND

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And now we have Mueller taking over the investigation on the [alleged] Russian Hack. So I hope that he calls for Comey's memos [unprovable allegations] and holds them close to the vest. Those memos are his Ace-in-the-Hole. [HAHAHAHA!] When he gets a hold of those greedy bastards that sold their souls to Russia, he can question them from a position of strength; since he, and not everyone in the world, will know what's in those memos.
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It was also reported by the NY Times. Of course, there are many misinformed people that believe the Right-Wing hype of the MSM - the Mainstream Media. The Right-Wingers fall for the crap that newspapers and news outlets, like the Times, make shit up.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

I could be wrong about this, but this is what I really believe is going on.

Nobody would act the way that he is acting unless they were beyond reproach.

Unless you are right and Trump is either crazy or senile or just stupid or all of the above....

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I could be wrong about this, but this is what I really believe is going on.

Nobody would act the way that he is acting unless they were beyond reproach.

Unless you are right and Trump is either crazy or senile or just stupid or all of the above....

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How about this explanation: Trump needs Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell to pay for deporting 11,000,000 illegals, a Texas/Mexico wall, and sundry items that are on Trump's wish list yet Ryan and McConnell have no interest in owning these items. It's Trump's list, not their list. Ryan and McConnell would pay for all these gifts, except Trump keeps playing pranks on them. If Trump goes in this direction, the Republican leadership will lose patience with him. Once that happens, Trump won't get any expensive presents he wanted for Christmas for the next four years because he has been naughty.

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Completely besides the point again, but if I'm right I don't think Ryan or McConnell are very long for the political world. Ryan in particular was lucky he's still got a job.

I don't necessarily think what I'm suggesting is happening is a good thing... only that I believe it is what is happening. If I'm right the Left will go silent, at least for a while, there will be nuclear fallout in the MSM, and the entire GOP will fall in step with Trump.

Bigger picture Second. I think you're all being played.

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Contrary to popular belief in your bubbles there are a lot of people right now who would be pretty pissed off if Trump was ousted with no evidence. All talk and no evidence.

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Wow Jack, get a clue. You're just like Trump in that you keep saying things off the top of your head that reveal nothing but ignorance. The circumstantial evidence against Trump grows with each passing day.

Circumstantial evidence is known as indirect evidence. It is distinguished from direct evidence, which, if believed, proves the existence of a particular fact without any inference or presumption required. Circumstantial evidence relates to a series of facts other than the particular fact sought to be proved. The party offering circumstantial evidence argues that this series of facts, by reason and experience, is so closely associated with the fact to be proved that the fact to be proved may be inferred simply from the existence of the circumstantial evidence.

I am still not saying the verdict is in but it doesn't look good.

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Contrary to popular belief in your bubbles there are a lot of people right now who would be pretty pissed off if Trump was ousted with no evidence. All talk and no evidence. He might be a dick and twitter his mind too much, but there's no evidence he's done anything with Russia yet. Even you admitted as much a few posts back.

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And now we have Mueller taking over the investigation on the [alleged] Russian Hack. So I hope that he calls for Comey's memos [unprovable allegations] and holds them close to the vest. Those memos are his Ace-in-the-Hole. [HAHAHAHA!] When he gets a hold of those greedy bastards that sold their souls to Russia, he can question them from a position of strength; since he, and not everyone in the world, will know what's in those memos.
Of course, the White House and Trump will deny, deny, deny...but once he gets all the information, he'll have them choking on their own words. Comey should not testify until the Special Hangman has had a chance to unravel this mess.- SHINY

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SHINY, I have a personal question: How old are you? I'm just trying to figure our how far back your memory goes, so that I don't refer to things that are outside of your experience.

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To get clued in, some people should review the Nixon/Agnew/Ford transition. The first ever selection of the next un-elected President in U.S. history. Just think, Pence and Trump could select DOOMberg or Palin, or Guliani to be the next President.

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Just consider the accusations that have been leveled at the president:

He has betrayed the Constitution, which he swore to uphold.
He has committed treason by befriending Russia and other enemies of America.
He has subjugated America’s interests to Moscow.
He has been caught in fantastic lies to the American people, including personal ones, like his previous marriage and divorce.

President Donald Trump?

No, President John F. Kennedy.

What lots of Americans don’t realize, because it was kept secret from them for so long, is that what Trump has been enduring from the national-security establishment, the mainstream press, and the American right-wing for his outreach to, or “collusion with,” Russia pales compared to what Kennedy had to endure for committing the heinous “crime” of reaching out to Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union in a spirit of peace and friendship.

They hated him for it. They abused him. They insulted him. They belittled him. They called him naïve. They said he was a traitor.

All of the nasties listed above, plus more, were contained in an advertisement and a flier that appeared in Dallas on the morning of November 22, 1963, the day that Kennedy was assassinated. They can be read here and here.

Ever since then, some people have tried to make it seem like the advertisement and flier expressed only the feelings of extreme right-wingers in Dallas. That’s nonsense. They expressed the deeply held convictions of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the CIA, the conservative movement, and many people within the mainstream media and Washington establishment.

In June 1963, Kennedy threw down the gauntlet in a speech he delivered at American University, now entitled the “Peace Speech.” It was one of the most remarkable speeches ever delivered by an American president. It was broadcast all across the communist Soviet Union, the first time that had ever been done.

In the speech, Kennedy announced that he was bringing an end to the Cold War and the mindset of hostility toward Russia and the rest of the Soviet Union that the U.S. national-security establishment had inculcated in the minds of the American people ever since the end of World War II.

It was a radical notion and, as Kennedy well understood, a very dangerous one insofar as he was concerned. The Cold War against America’s World War II partner and ally had been used to convert the United States from a limited-government republic to a national-security state, one consisting of a vast, permanent military establishment, the CIA, and the NSA, along with their broad array of totalitarian-like powers, such as assassination, regime change, coups, invasions, torture, surveillance, and the like. Everyone was convinced that the Cold War — and the so-called threat from the international communist conspiracy that was supposedly based in Russia — would last forever, which would naturally mean permanent and ever-increasing largess for what Kennedy’s predecessor, President Dwight Eisenhower, had called the “military-industrial complex.”

Suddenly, Kennedy was upending the Cold War apple cart by threatening to establish a relationship of friendship and peaceful coexistence with Russia, the rest of the Soviet Union, and Cuba.

Kennedy knew full well that his actions were considered by some to be a grave threat to “national security.” After all, don’t forget that it was Guatemalan President Jacobo Arbenz’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him ousted from power by the CIA and presumably targeted for assassination as part of that regime-change operation. It was Cuban leader Fidel Castro’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that made him the target of Pentagon and CIA regime-change operations, including through invasion, assassination, and sanctions. It was Congo leader’s Patrice Lamumba’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him targeted for assassination by the CIA. It would be Chilean President Salvador Allende’s outreach to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship that got him targeted in a CIA-instigated coup in Chile that resulted in Allende’s death.

Kennedy wasn’t dumb. He knew what he was up against. He had heard Eisenhower warn the American people in his Farewell Address about the dangers to their freedom and democratic way of life posed by the military establishment. After Kennedy had read the novel Seven Days in May, which posited the danger of a military coup in America, he asked friends in Hollywood to make it into a movie to serve as a warning to the American people. In the midst of the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the Pentagon and the CIA were exerting extreme pressure on Kennedy to bomb and invade Cuba, his brother Bobby told a Soviet official with whom he was negotiating that the president was under a severe threat of being ousted in a coup. And, of course, Kennedy was fully mindful of what had happened to Arbenz, Lamumba, and Castro for doing what Kennedy was now doing — reaching out to the Soviets in a spirit of friendship.

In the eyes of the national-security establishment, one simply did not reach out to Russia, Cuba, or any other “enemy” of America. Doing so, in their eyes, made Kennedy an appeaser, betrayer, traitor, and a threat to “national security.”

Kennedy didn’t stop with his Peace Speech. He also began negotiating a treaty with the Soviets to end above-ground nuclear testing, an action that incurred even more anger and ire within the Pentagon and the CIA. Yes, that’s right — they said that “national security” depended on the U.S. government’s continuing to do what they object to North Korea doing today — conducting nuclear tests, both above ground and below ground.

Kennedy mobilized public opinion to overcome fierce opposition in the military, CIA, Congress, and the Washington establishment to secure passage of his Nuclear Test Ban Treaty.

He then ordered a partial withdrawal of troops from Vietnam, and told close aides that he would order a complete pull-out after winning the 1964 election. In the eyes of the U.S. national-security establishment, leaving Vietnam subject to a communist takeover would pose a grave threat to national security here in the United States.

Worst of all, from the standpoint of the national-security establishment, Kennedy began secret personal negotiations with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev and Cuban leader Fidel Castro to bring an end to America’s Cold War against them. That was considered to be a grave threat to “national security” as well as a grave threat to all the military and intelligence largess that depended on the Cold War.

By this time, Kennedy’s war with the national-security establishment was in full swing. He had already vowed to tear the CIA into a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds after its perfidious conduct in the Bay of Pigs fiasco. By this time, he had also lost all confidence in the military after it proposed an all-out surprise nuclear attack on the Soviet Union, much as Japan had done at Pearl Harbor, after the infamous plan known as Operation Northwoods, which proposed terrorist attacks and plane hijackings carried out by U.S. agents posing as Cuban communists, so as to provide a pretext for invading Cuba, and after the Cuban Missile Crisis, when the military establishment accused him of appeasement and treason for agreeing not to ever invade Cuba again.

What Kennedy didn’t know was that his “secret” negotiations with the Soviet and Cuban communists weren’t so secret after all. As it turns out, it was a virtual certainty that the CIA (or NSA) was listening in on telephone conversations of Cuban officials at the UN in New York City, much as the CIA and NSA still do today, during which they would have learned what the president was secretly doing behind their backs.

Kennedy’s feelings toward the people who were calling him a traitor for befriending Moscow and other “enemies” of America? In response to the things that were said in that advertisement and flier about him being a traitor for befriending Russia, he told his wife Jackie on the morning he was assassinated: “We are heading into nut country today.” Of course, as he well knew, the nuts weren’t located only in Dallas. They were also situated throughout the U.S. national-security establishment.

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Civil wars are perhaps the most tragic and bitter, when a country goes to war on itself – and it’s brother against brother, homesteads destroyed by other compatriots.

Today, the United States of America seems to be at war with itself again. Not yet an all-out bloodletting as in the Civil War of 1861-65, but nevertheless the nation seems to be plunging into an internecine process of shredding itself, pulling down the very edifice of the state.

There’s even reports of married couples splitting in divorce because of the growing political divisions.

The governing business of running the country is held hostage by incessant political scrapping; the institutions of governance appear in meltdown from eroding authority.

This time around, it’s not northern states versus the south, or over industrialists wanting to usurp landowners, or moral questions of race and slavery. The current war is due to powerful factions within the political class not willing to accept the election of Donald Trump.

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Trump was not supposed to win the presidential election in November 2016, as far as ruling class elements were concerned. His Democrat rival Hillary Clinton was the favored candidate owing to her deep connections to the foreign policy establishment and corporate news media.

Trump’s avowed stance to normalize relations with Russia was the number-one bugbear for the US establishment which preferred Clinton’s more hawkish outlook as part of extending its global hegemonic ambitions.

As always, the American ruling class is variegated. No doubt there are powerful Wall Street and corporate factions among American capital that are indifferent about the actual election result, or perhaps even rather pleased by it. Trump, so far, seems to be rather disposed to pandering to corporate America with generous tax-breaks for the wealthy, so there is no problem there for many among the American ruling class.

Where the problem arises is more within the political class of foreign policy establishment, straddling the Republican-Democrat career politicians in Washington, the intelligence community and the security-military apparatus, the CIA, Pentagon and their assets or class sympathizers within the corporate media. This is the deep state complex, although not all within the deep state may hold the same hostile view of Trump. Enough evidently do in order to sustain a political war against Trump’s presidency.

The whole Russia-gate “scandal” just keeps running and running regardless of objective proof. Never, it seems, has so much political and media time been spent on a nebulous issue which has such negligible substance. It’s a classic case of tilting at windmills.

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Earlier this week, James Clapper, the former national intelligence director, reiterated in a media interview that he has seen no evidence of “collusion” between the Trump election team and Russian state agents. Clapper then goes on mealymouthed to say: “I can’t confirm or deny it”.

People like Clapper and the former FBI chief James Comey continually hint at a Russia-gate scandal, but they never present any evidence. They should either put up or shut up. For to not do is nothing less than political witch-hunting. The purpose of which is to undermine President Trump’s mandate. And it is all given full vent by politicians and media who wittingly or unwittingly rally behind the American paranoia of Russophobia.

We may loathe Trump’s personality or his crony-style politics, but the fact is that he was elected on November 8. The question then is: do we accept the result of democracy?

It seems clear that there are elite interests within the US ruling class who do not accept American democracy and the mandate of Trump’s electors.

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This is a fundamental revelation that goes to the very heart of American democracy, which we are led to believe is the best in the world.

Manifest Destiny, American Exceptionalism, the Land of the Free. It’s evidently all balderdash, self-preening propaganda. For American democracy is being shredded by elements within the ruling system who do not accept the result of the last presidential election.

They are covering up their brazen anti-democratic assault on the electorate with outlandish and frankly ridiculous claims of Trump being a Russian agent and about his reliance on Russian cyber-hacking to get him into the White House.

The political witch-hunt continues unabated against Trump, not because of any credible evidence, far from it, but simply because those people fanning the allegations are powerful enough to make sure the witch-hunt remains a dominant focus in public life.

Last week, Trump fired the FBI’s James Comey for the good reason that he was hamming up the Russia-gate probes. The media claimed this was Trump covering up his alleged Russian links. Twist after twist.

Now this week the US media are full of claims that Trump leaked highly classified information on Islamic State terrorists to Russia’s foreign minister Sergey Lavrov during their closed-door meeting at the White House.

We have the extraordinary spectacle of US politicians and the corporate media accusing a sitting president of lying, betraying state secrets to “a foreign enemy”, and the president’s top national security advisor General HR McMaster being forced to publicly state that the claims are “false”.

In the Clapper interview mentioned earlier, he said that the US was being attacked both externally and internally. The former he said was from Russia. No evidence presented, just the usual assertion and bombast. On the source of internal attacks, Clapper blamed President Trump for “assaulting state institutions”.

The top institution of the US, the office of presidency, is being assaulted by people like Clapper and the establishment who are refusing to acknowledge Trump’s electoral mandate. Systematically, repeatedly, openly calling the president of the country a liar and traitor is the most corrosive assault on the legitimacy of government.

Ultimately, the pre-eminent institution of American democracy – the will of the people – is being assaulted by the same powerful factions.

This is what Russia’s foreign minister Sergey Lavrov alluded to when he said last week that America was “humiliating itself” by making the unfounded claims that Russia subverted its presidential election. How can the supposedly most powerful nation on Earth, as it continually claims to be, be so vulnerable to alleged Russian hackers?

The people attacking American democracy are American, not Russian or anyone else. The country is at war with itself. It is its own worse enemy, and flailing around with paranoid fears over non-existent threats.

America’s Civil War II is underway and it’s a war over whether democracy in that country exists or not. Old Glory is being shot to pieces and the victors have yet to emerge.

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That leaves two possibilities on the table regarding Trump and his taxes.

1. There's nothing damning in them.
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That leaves two possibilities on the table regarding Trump and his taxes.

1. There's nothing damning in them.
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1. There's nothing damning in them.
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SECOND brings it up because She understands what's going on outside these threads. You are clueless and SIG has a pro-Russian agenda. She is in the business of deflection and misinformation. She posts false and inaccurate information, which is deliberately intended to deceive. Put another way, she is a troll.

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There has been talk of Investigations into Russia causing influence in our Elections, particularly the November 2016 General Election. This is one topic. It may have relevance because the revelations of so much of Hilliary's Criminal Actions, Obstructions, and Falsehoods were supposed to be kept under wraps by the MSM Wing of the Democrap Party, and other Democraps as well. And, although Russia is unlikely to have forced Hilliary to commit these crimes, Russia may have had a hand in exposing Hilliary's vast accumulation of Criminal Acts.

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In private, three administration officials conceded that they could not publicly articulate their most compelling — and honest — defense of the president: that Mr. Trump, a hasty and indifferent reader of printed briefing materials, simply did not possess the interest or knowledge of the granular details of intelligence gathering to leak specific sources and methods of intelligence gathering that would do harm to United States allies.

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The reason you can’t publicly articulate this defense is that it’s ridiculously damning. A president who can’t be bothered to familiarize himself with briefing materials can’t be conducting high-level diplomatic meetings with the foreign minister of Russia.
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Here we don’t even have a body, let alone a smoking gun. Trump insists there’s no there there, but acts as if the there is everywhere.

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He wants to prove that the MSM is fake news. What better way than to behave as if he IS guilty and flaunt that and provoke the media and the Democrats and even the GOP and cultivate this firestorm to the point where people are demanding justice with pitchforks on the steps of the White House only to lower the curtain and show that there was nothing going on at all...?

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Originally posted by second:There are only a few people Trump needs to please: two are the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority leader. - SECOND

He only needz to pleez Putin.
If you take that perspectiv, everything he duz makes sens. Anything that makes the GoPs happy iz only insidental to serving Putin.

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In private, three administration officials conceded that they could not publicly articulate their most compelling — and honest — defense of the president: that Mr. Trump, a hasty and indifferent reader of printed briefing materials, simply did not possess the interest or knowledge of the granular details of intelligence gathering to leak specific sources and methods of intelligence gathering that would do harm to United States allies.- SECOND

This seems like faulty logic. Sometimes the existence of the intelligence defines what the source was and who to kill to close the source.- JSF

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I see SIG is trying to rewrite her history regarding Trump.- THUGR

When I find my posts and quote them here, will I finally get the apology I so richly deserve from you? Will you finally admit you're a know-nothing lying troll? Of course not, That's because you're a lying, know-nothing troll.

Not my most immediate project ever, but here's a hint: Even SECOND, who is about as rabidly anti-Trump as one can imagine, didn't challenge me on that post, and the reason why is that she reads with comprehension. Unlike... er.... you.- SIGNY

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Trump is a salesman... For Trump, the one driving factor seems to be - really- the art of the deal. It's a challenge for him to sell ... an investment, a TV show, a book ... candidacy. Unlike most of Trumps critics, I've listened closely to a few of his stump speeches, and I realize that 90% of what Trump is saying is sales pitch.
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Trump is a national capitalist

n addition to being somewhat manic (IMHO) Trump is a bully.
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I'd be the last person to say that Trump is a great Presidential candidate. I've looked at his business record and listened to his speeches, and what this guy is is a hypomanic (or maybe even manic) who's a great salesperson with no follow-though
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First of all, it said everything I already said about Trump. That he's hypomanic most of the time, and a narcissist
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Well, I've been saying for a while I think there's something not quit right about that man. You don't have a permanent case of hypomania without being a little off. ADHD also crossed my mind, which would explain the difficulties in school, complete lack of filter between brain and mouth, general sleeplessness, and need for attention.
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you [second] keep asking if I really think Trump will do this or that, and my answer is "no". I have said, more than once, that he's a loose cannon. A VERY loose cannon.
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Assuming this [TRUMP'S MEDIUM-GRADE MANIA] is shown to be true, for an armchair psychologist I guess I'm not too bad. I've been saying this almost since I started posting about Trump. So this armchair dx isn't new, at least not to me.
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this is a good sampling of Trump. Some of it is awkward, some of it is self-aggrandizing, a little bit of it is cringe-worthy, but there are also many rational, reasonable statements in it.
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FINALLY! Something about what Trump actually has said, not about what the DNC thinks Trump "will" say (Trump will Crumble Under Tough Questions).... or about Putin (Too many posts to count, because you folks are obsessed with Putin)! Or cartoons about Trump, claiming to know what Trump thinks, or nasty nude paintings of Trump, or all of the other irrelevant anti-Trump propaganda you all have posted.

I agree. I listened to Trump's Q&A before veterans, and most of the questions were "What will you do about (fill in the blank"? and I have to say that he managed to avoid answering most of the questions by simply criticizing previous administrations, or by providing general answers ("I'm going to make the VA something to be proud of") without providing any specifics.

And what Trump says reveals a person who is, unsurprisingly, totally unfamiliar with how government works. In Trump's world, when he says something, people scurry to get accomplished. OR they drag their feet and wait for Trump to come to his sense because they know he was just thinking out loud. Not so in the WH! Although the President has vast administrative powers, some of Trump's greatest goals will require an OK from Congress.
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I for one am glad our law enforcement is taking a serious look at this!

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