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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What has Trump done - as candidate or president - that's illegal?

I'm still trying to get a bead on that.

'His people talked to Russians!'
So ... ?

'His people tried to arrange communications with Putin!'
And ... ?

That's about what I'm getting out of it. So maybe someone can explain to me, what has Trump done - as candidate or president - that's illegal?

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Well, for one there's:

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=emoluments+clause&&view=de
tail&mid=27218099458BBE38D79F27218099458BBE38D79F&FORM=VRDGAR

Of course, as it states in the video, Congress holds the key, and since Congress is controlled by the republicans, nothing will be done. And nothing has been done, so, next case.

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
If Comey was not given 2 weeks notice of his
termination, isn't that illegal?

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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
He fired James Comey for no good reason, except apparently, Comey's version of their discussions is much different from Trump's.

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I regard the firing as an attempted cover-up.

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If Comey was not given 2 weeks notice of his termination, isn't that illegal?

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[Emoluments clause - SGG]

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Then there's the "Travel Ban" of Muslims; it is illegal because it has been deemed Unconstitutional.

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Well, this next one isn't so much illegal as it is unethical

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As far as his "people" talking to Russians, no law against that. Diplomatic relations by the White House and State Department are a top priority, through proper and well-established channels. Now, I'm not going to pretend I know those proper channels personally, but I do pay attention:

Kushner, it has been reported, requested that a secret communication within the Russian consulate be made with direct contact with Moscow. This was back in December 2016, during the transition and way before the inauguration of trump. There can be only one POTUS at a time, plus it could very well be considered espionage. Now, why would anyone want to speak secretly with the Russian government, with Russian-controlled equipment and in Russian-controlled environment?

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Apparently his security clearance, it has been suggested, will be revoked. He is under investigation as a person of interest by the FBI. We will soon find out if Mr. Kushner broke the law. It seems very likely. Mr. Flynn and Mr. Manafort will have company shortly.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

There's a Special Counsel on the job about this, one who can bring criminal charges against those found to have broken the law. Once he was appointed, the prss should just let him do his job and sort out fact form fiction. But clearly, the press just keep thumping rumors and squeezing out even more rumors from (three, maybe four) "anonymous sources". They're not interested in "getting to the bottom" of potential wrongdoing, but in printing a torrent of bullshit and running an endless smear campaign.

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Three Leakers Of Classified White House Information Said To Be Identified, Expected To Be Fired

Three Leakers Of Classified White House Information Said To Be Identified, Expected To Be Fired
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by Tyler Durden
May 29, 2017 9:57 AM

As reported over the weekend, having returned from his first foreign trip president Trump is preparing a "war room" in response to the barrage of Russian news blanketing the media, and plans to restructure the White House communications strategy and possibly staffing.

There have been rumors around Washington that press secretary Sean Spicer's job is in danger (and that Jared Kushner, the focus of much of the latest newsflow, may be forced to take a "step back") but the White House has denied these rumors. In an interview with Fox News' Jeanine Pirro earlier this month, Trump said Spicer has been "doing a good job but he gets beat up."

But the biggest issue plaguing the White House at this moment is the seemingly relentless leakage of confidential information surrounding Trump's activities, with Trump administration officials saying last week the recent high-profile leaks of classified information are "coordinated and timed."

And in a new development, CBS News has confirmed that three leakers of classified information at the White House have been identified and are expected to be fired.

According to CBS, "officials within the Trump White House believe leaks of Mr. Trump's conversation with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov are a "deliberate attempt" by officials who are holdovers from President Obama's administration and are trying to damage the Trump presidency."

Last week, the Trump campaign released an email to supporters entitled "SABOTAGE," in which the campaign said, "There are people within our own unelected bureaucracy that want to sabotage President Trump and our entire America First movement."

The White House has yet to announce any terminations or staff reallignment. Instead, overnight Trump took another swipe at reports that his Twitter privileges may be removed, saying that "the Fake News Media works hard at disparaging & demeaning my use of social media because they don't want America to hear the real story!"

The Fake News Media works hard at disparaging & demeaning my use of social media because they don't want America to hear the real story!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 29, 2017

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Then there's the "Travel Ban" of Muslims; it is illegal because it has been deemed Unconstitutional. NEXT!

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Actually, I really want to know. The media's been buzzing. Speculation is rampant. Opinions are everywhere. Fingers point one way. Then another. Then yet another. Vague accusations and innuendo that 'something' isn't right are coming faster than snow in a blizzard.

But I haven't been able to tell what's been done that's so awful. What, specifically was done? The most I can get out of it is the deep state is in a panic because Trump's not going along with the anti-Russia campaign.

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Then there's the "Travel Ban" of Muslims; it is illegal because it has been deemed Unconstitutional. NEXT!

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Wrong. Only by activist judges. The EO, as written, is perfectly legal, and would have been put into order, had it been anyone else but Trump who issued it.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
Actually, I really want to know. The media's been buzzing. Speculation is rampant. Opinions are everywhere. Fingers point one way. Then another. Then yet another. Vague accusations and innuendo that 'something' isn't right are coming faster than snow in a blizzard.

But I haven't been able to tell what's been done that's so awful. What, specifically was done? The most I can get out of it is the deep state is in a panic because Trump's not going along with the anti-Russia campaign.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
Sources: Russians discussed potentially 'derogatory' information about Trump and associates during campaign

(CNN) — Russian government officials discussed having potentially "derogatory" information about then-presidential candidate Donald Trump and some of his top aides in conversations intercepted by US intelligence during the 2016 election, according to two former intelligence officials and a congressional source.


One source described the information as financial in nature and said the discussion centered on whether the Russians had leverage over Trump's inner circle. The source said the intercepted communications suggested to US intelligence that Russians believed "they had the ability to influence the administration through the derogatory information."

http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/30/politics/russians-trump-campaign-informa
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Originally posted by THGRRI:
With him having the worst possible foreign policy trip

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the White House has yet to be able to disprove

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With him having the worst possible foreign policy trip ... I say it's time to lock him up.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You're right! The "activist judges" hate his guts, it's purely based on HATE not the law as some may wrongly think.


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Then there's the "Travel Ban" of Muslims; it is illegal because it has been deemed Unconstitutional. NEXT!

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Wrong. Only by activist judges. The EO, as written, is perfectly legal, and would have been put into order, had it been anyone else but Trump who issued it.

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
You don't understand anything that's going on Jack. As I sit here I know that in the end I will be shown to be right, and you to be as dumb as they come.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

We'll see in the end who was right or wrong.

At least my replies haven't degraded down to "You're dumb. Neener Neener."

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Good Second. Than you have nothing to bitch about then I suppose since nothing will get done.

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Normally when a new president of a new party takes office, it’s because the previous administration left the country mired in economic crisis.

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Normally when a new president of a new party takes office, it’s because the previous administration left the country mired in economic crisis.

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I guess Trump's win is just completely incomprehensible, then.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Jeeze SECOND, you're just as sleazy as the rest of the democraps. In denial of the results of OUR democracy in action; completely out of ideas on how to connect with Americans over the problems they're facing and so offer an alternative; unable to mount at least a token political opposition and dependent on the Deep State for a soft coup - you can hardly wait for the country to fail - and FOR MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TO SUFFER - just so you can get rid of Trump.

What a perverted golum you are.

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First things first, 1kiki. Trump won by 80,000 votes in the right spots of the right states.

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... the more you prove you will never understand why problems hang around for decades ...

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... the 1/6th of Texans who vote don’t want to pay to solve other people’s problems, even if it is millions of Texans who have problems.

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First things first, 1kiki. Trump won by 80,000 votes in the right spots of the right states.

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And yet, that's the result in OUR election process. You can't seem to grasp that.

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Because people don't vote? That's pretty much a vote in itself. And that creates results in OUR election process. You can't seem to grasp that.

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Because people don't vote? That's pretty much a vote in itself. And that creates results in OUR election process. You can't seem to grasp that.

And so on. You seem to have problems with our democracy itself, SECOND. With the idea that you need to give people a real CHOICE before they'll come out and vote for you.

No wonder you come across as someone who's only interested in power.

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So the tasty American future with Bernie governing will not occur.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What has Trump done - as candidate or president - that's illegal?

I'm still trying to get a bead on that.

'His people talked to Russians!'
So ... ?

'His people tried to arrange communications with Putin!'
And ... ?

That's about what I'm getting out of it. So maybe someone can explain to me, what has Trump done - as candidate or president - that's illegal?

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So the tasty American future with Bernie governing will not occur.

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And you wonder how Hilary lost? It's because she failed to bring people to the voting booth, the way she needed to.

Too many people saw her as the problem, not the solution.

Until you and the party look in the mirror and figure out how the democrats lost 20% of the voting population to republican and independent, you'll continue to delude yourselves about where the fault lies.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

So - what's that alternative to tax-funded hand-outs, SECOND? Can you think of it? I have. And so have a lot of voters who chose Trump. Surely you're just as smart as they are.

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You're right! The "activist judges" hate his guts, it's purely based on HATE not the law as some may wrongly think.


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Wrong. Only by activist judges. The EO, as written, is perfectly legal, and would have been put into order, had it been anyone else but Trump who issued it.

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Why Trump’s Revised Executive Order Is Constitutional, Legal, and Common Sense



https://stream.org/trumps-revised-executive-order-constitutional-legal
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Are you talking about the free alternatives? The one where 11,000,000 jobs open up by deporting 11,000,000 illegal aliens? Or the other free alternative, which both Bernie and Trump were offering, where renegotiating trade treaties creates 20,000,000 new factory jobs? You are kind of gullible, aren't you 1kiki?

I forgot the third free alternative, exclusive to Trump, creating hundreds of thousands of new coal mining jobs for the insignificant cost of changing some rules about air and water pollution.

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Are you talking about the free alternatives? The one where 11,000,000 jobs open up by deporting 11,000,000 illegal aliens? Or the other free alternative, which both Bernie and Trump were offering, where renegotiating trade treaties creates 20,000,000 new factory jobs? You are kind of gullible, aren't you 1kiki?

I forgot the third free alternative, exclusive to Trump, creating hundreds of thousands of new coal mining jobs for the insignificant cost of changing some rules about air and water pollution.

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Not any of those, SECOND. THINK! What do people want? What could democrats give people - for free - but are too corrupt to mention?

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Here's what democrats could promise:

A fair set of rules that everyone is made to live by, SECOND. Rules that say if banks tank the global economy, they pay the price themselves. They don't get rewarded while we pay to make them whole. Rules that say people are first in line to be represented by the government, instead of businesses. Rules that make loan companies and banks run their business fairly, and honestly. Rules that say people have to be given an honest day's pay for an honest day's work. Rules that give people the same tax breaks as businesses - or better, give businesses the same tax breaks as people. Rules that hold international corporations accountable, instead of benefiting and protecting them at our expense.

It's free. And it certainly is well within the democrats' abilities - after all, they're in the business of making the rules. If the democrats promised that, people would come out to vote. Because a lot of people are tired of being taken advantage of by both the corporations AND the government.

That's what democrats could do. They could promise fair rules.

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That's Occupy Wall Street rhetoric, that's Bernie talk.

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You have a very treasonous view of how justice in the US should work, THUGGER.

In fact, you have many other treasonous views as well. You hate the election process and want to void it, you really dislike freedom of speech and want to lock people up who engage in it [made up], you're a-ok with extra-judicial killing, even of American citizens, you despise fourth amendment protections from search and seizure, and you hold the safety and security of other countries above those of the US.

You're just a real 'patriot', aren't you?

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I say it's time to lock him up - THUGR

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
What has Trump done - as candidate or president - that's illegal?

I'm still trying to get a bead on that.

'His people talked to Russians!'
So ... ?

'His people tried to arrange communications with Putin!'
And ... ?

That's about what I'm getting out of it. So maybe someone can explain to me, what has Trump done - as candidate or president - that's illegal?

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That's what these many investigations are trying to reveal. It's possible that he has not done anything illegal, just grossly ignorant and dumb enough that it could make our president easily susceptible to extortion. If he's in debt to Russia to the tune of millions of dollars (not illegal), wouldn't you recognize that as a bad thing? If he's proven to have lied and obstructed our justice system wouldn't you call those impeachable offenses?

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/trump-deutsche-bank-loans-
russia

https://www.fastcompany.com/40423164/why-its-so-difficult-to-investiga
tive-trumps-russia-ties

Then there are the many actions by this president that have caused a lot of people to wonder what he's covering up. No tax returns, firing Flynn 18 days after hearing about his collusion, firing Comey, Kushner "forgetting" to include meetings with Russians (come on!), continued lying on his own twitter feed (omg). And there's more - all together there's just too much to not want to investigate and find out what the truth is. Don't you want your president to be honest? Or at least more honest than this slug?

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