The Age of Redefinition by 6stringJoker

Sure, but it's a lot more than that. Everyone uses it today.

Did you watch the video, or just post an anti-Republican sentiment based off of a half-sentence quote?

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:40 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Sure, but it's a lot more than that. Everyone uses it today.

Did you watch the video, or just post an anti-Republican sentiment based off of a half-sentence quote?

I saw the whole video before I commented. Vietnam was an example because it is all over, you can see the free TV show on PBS playing as I write, and you can know who were the lying sacks of shit on the American side. The liars left many examples of misleading language behind for you to watch on youtube, PBS, or read.

Your example was not that useful. This, from George Orwell, is a useful definition:

By 'nationalism' I mean first of all the habit of assuming that human
beings can be classified like insects and that whole blocks of millions
or tens of millions of people can be confidently labelled 'good' or
'bad'.[See note, below] But secondly--and this is much more important--I mean
the habit of identifying oneself with a single nation or other unit, placing
it beyond good and evil and recognising no other duty than that of
advancing its interests. Nationalism is not to be confused with
patriotism. Both words are normally used in so vague a way that any
definition is liable to be challenged, but one must draw a distinction
between them, since two different and even opposing ideas are involved.
By 'patriotism' I mean devotion to a particular place and a particular
way of life, which one believes to be the best in the world but has no
wish to force on other people. Patriotism is of its nature defensive,
both militarily and culturally. Nationalism, on the other hand, is
inseparable from the desire for power. The abiding purpose of every
nationalist is to secure more power and more prestige, NOT for himself
but for the nation or other unit in which he has chosen to sink his own individuality.

www.george-orwell.org/Notes_on_Nationalism/0.html

Orwell has more to say, and all useful.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:14 PM

I'm a huge Orwell fan. So is the kid who did the video.

I'm not sure what you mean by "my example". If you mean what I quoted, it was the description of the video.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:05 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
I'm a huge Orwell fan. So is the kid who did the video.

I'm not sure what you mean by "my example". If you mean what I quoted, it was the description of the video.

I meant the video from a kid who thinks "precision" in political language is important. It is not, unless you're a dictionary. Orwell said what is important: "Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind" and "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity."

www.george-orwell.org

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 8:24 AM

Methinks you missed the point of the video.

Lumping everyone on the right as Alt-Right or everybody on the left as "Libdarts" isn't very useful, and does more harm than good.

For example. As you know, I get called a Nazi around here quite a bit, by one person in particular, when the truth is I have way more in common with most lefties on the board than I do with white supremacist groups.

I don't think you're qualified to decide who among us here is being sincere when posting something. I don't think any of us are. That's when I have a real problem with anybody calling anyone else a liar here, or accusing somebody of lying.

Disagreeing with me is not lying. Disagreeing with you is not lying.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 2:14 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

For example. As you know, I get called a Nazi around here quite a bit, by one person in particular, when the truth is I have way more in common with most lefties on the board than I do with white supremacist groups.

IF YOU DON'T CONDEMN THEM... YOU ARE FOR THEM.

Simple as that.

Right now, pick a side. Either you think being a white male makes you somehow better, or you don't. Which is it???

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 3:40 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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IF YOU DON'T CONDEMN THEM... YOU ARE FOR THEM.
Simple as that.- WISHY

Yanno, I'm trying very hard to be nice, but I have to say ... the only one here who is "simple" is you.

If everyone is vehemently against witches, but I refuse to condemn witches, does that mean I'm a witch? Seriously, you could look under a fuckuva lotta rocks and condemn a lot of people before you even found one. That's why this mass condemnation is called "witch hunting".

I have a lot of reasons for not getting on the condemnation bandwagon:

1) Sometimes people are hunting for something that doesn't exist. Witches comes to mind. "Russian trolls" is another example - I'm sure they exist, but probably make up a miniscule fraction of however many social media/ media/ online encounters in your experience. For example, I doubt, WISHY, that you have encountered even one.

2) It's not my business. I'm not about to condemn some faraway place for doing something that I personally find reprehensible. Why? It's not my business. And most of the outrage that gets generated here in the USA seems to wind up destroying some hapless nation, leaving its people in even worse shape than before we "helped" them. Before I get my outrage exercised, I want to be sure that a) we're not doing the same thing, or worse and (b) what we propose to do about "it" really will help.

3) It leads to mob rule. Righteous violence is a dangerous precedent. It prompts people to "take the law into their own hands". That's how lynchings came about. Say, WISHY, are you for lynching people?

4) Most frequently, this kind of hysteria is used to manipulate people for political purposes, and a lot of people are just stupid and go along with it. Once hysteria is whipped up, it's easy to direct the mob to various "enemies", and have political opposition destroyed.

Your "condemnation" of some hate groups with more hate of your own ... doesn't that make you like them? I'm not about to condemn "them", whoever "they" are. Each person who has allegedly broken the law deserves his or her own trial. IF that makes me a "nazi" in your eyes, then you better correct your vision.

Just sign me "Not on the bandwagon"

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 6:01 PM

Well said, Sigs.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:42 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Well said, Sigs.

What a shocker, you didn't say, did you???

SIGS, FUCK OFF.
This is a question I asked him, not you. Not sure why you respond now, other than to be a TOTALLY MANIPULATIVE bitch.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:48 PM

So I should pick a side?

Like this one, Wishy?

Or maybe this one?

How about this one?

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:03 PM

STILL NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.

White supremacists.

They start a fight, are you WITH THEM, or AGAINST THEM??

Never mind. We already know. Your refusal to answer the question in a straightforward way speaks VOLUMES.

Disgusting Nazi FUCKTARD.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:29 PM

I'm not against them. I'm not for them.

If you commit a crime, no matter what it is "in the name of", you should be punished for it. I'm not going to bother saying that again, so you should probably stop asking stupid questions.

I don't have to answer for anybody just because they're close to my shade of skin color.

Go peddle your white guilt to somebody who cares.

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 12:41 AM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Go peddle your white guilt to somebody who cares.

It's like playing "figure out what he ISN'T saying, because that's the important part"

You condemn people that commit crimes, you don't condemn the ideology, and then you end with "white guilt".

You don't have to do much reading between the lines to come up with the fact you think you are superior.

You aren't. Every race has weaknesses and strengths. If you don't believe that white people, black people, brown people, ect. have ALL got good and bad qualities, you are an idiot.

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 1:30 AM

I demand that Muslim leaders condemn terror attacks that are done in the name of Allah because they are the leaders of that murderous and diseased ideology.

I do not condemn any attacks made by some random white dudes because other than the color of my skin I have absolutely no affiliation with them at all.

I have no obligation whatsoever to do this. The fact that you feel that I do is racist.

I've already said that they are idiots. I've already said that anybody who commits crimes should be put in jail or otherwise punished depending on the severity of their crime.

Don't act for a second like if a big fight were breaking out in front of you that you would pick a side and fight. You would run and hide. There's no shame in that. You have a daughter to think about.

I've been beaten within an inch of my life and stabbed before, because I was sticking up for some girl I barely even knew. I have no intention of ever being in that situation again. I do not raise my hand in violence, and never would unless somebody is attacking me or somebody that I care about.

Why do you feel the need to do what you do? You are so obviously full of hate and anger on a constant basis. You're a scared little person who needs some outlet for the pent up fear and hostility that consumes you on a daily basis.

Do you feel better now calling me a Nazi FUCKTARD?

I'll take your constant abuse if it keeps you from cutting yourself or otherwise hurting yourself.

You really need a pill. You're going to have a stroke, Wishy.

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:
Go peddle your white guilt to somebody who cares.

It's like playing "figure out what he ISN'T saying, because that's the important part"

You condemn people that commit crimes, you don't condemn the ideology, and then you end with "white guilt".

You don't have to do much reading between the lines to come up with the fact you think you are superior.

You aren't. Every race has weaknesses and strengths. If you don't believe that white people, black people, brown people, ect. have ALL got good and bad qualities, you are an idiot.

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:15 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
STILL NOT ANSWERING THE QUESTION.
White supremacists.
They start a fight, are you WITH THEM, or AGAINST THEM??- WISHY

Do you mean like ... I'm standing there and somebody ("they") takes a swing at me? Well, hopefully as an above-middle age woman, I'd have the presence of mind to duck. Maybe even swing back. Like that?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:19 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I think your problem, WISHY, is that you speak of "they". THAT is a word that needs a specific definition!

"They" don't start a fight, it's someone or some several specific people who do. If I fight back, I'm not fighting against "them" ... after all, "they" may not have anything to do with any specific fight ... I presumably would be fighting against some specific individuals. In my book, one always has the right of self-defense.

Or maybe the problem is the word "fight". If you don't mean actual physical altercation, what DO you mean? Because if you mean "They espouse a POV that I find abhorrent" then what you mean is "I find them offensive and so I have the right to beat them down".

Definitions! They can be such tricky things! So please define your words more carefully.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 2:25 AM

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Like that? -Signey

No. I think she means like the verse from her favorite book, The Bible:

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He that is not with me is against me. --The words seem at first at variance with the answer to the sons of Zebedee, when they reported that they had seen one casting out devils in the name of Christ, and had forbidden him "because he followed not" with them. Then they heard," Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us" (Luke 9:50); and those words have naturally been the watchword of those who rejoice when Christ is preached every way, and by whatever organisation. In reality, however, the two formul do but present the opposite poles of the same truth. In the great struggle between light and darkness, good and evil, God and the enemy of God, there is no neutrality. The man of whom the two disciples complained was fighting against the devil in the name of Christ, and was therefore with Him. The Pharisees were hindering and slandering that work, and therefore were on the side of Satan. They were not gathering in God's harvest of souls, and therefore they were scattering and wasting.

Or was it from the Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini when he said "O con noi o contro di noi" — (You're either with us or against us)

Or maybe it's her favorite quote from her second favorite President of all time:

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 10:21 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

PFFWAAAAHHH!

Damnit SIX, now I'm going to have to clean my monitor! Too funny!

*****

WISHY, I really have no idea what kind of response you're looking for. If it's "Hell yeah! Let's GET the bastards! Where're my waffle-stompers? .... well, you can forget it, not gonna happen. I'm not a big fan of political violence. I understand self-defense, and I understand bringing charges against people who initiate political violence, and I understand arguing vehemently against certain PsOV, but I'm not about to grab my (long, metal) sign pole and mix it up with those I disagree with.

But if you're looking for a disavowal of hating people by category ... well, sure. We shouldn't hate whole groups of people .... blacks, Jews, women .... whites ... just because. If we're EVER going to come together as a nation, we need to swear off this whole "hate" thing.

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Pity would be no more,
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Thursday, September 21, 2017 10:42 AM

LOL. I don't know why I'm getting such a kick out of this whole hypocrisy epidemic that seems to be sweeping the nation right now.

Wishy just wants us to validate her hate.

She leverages her position well, as do most SJWs and 3rd wave Feminists today. She gets what she wants either way.

Either we validate her hate directly by agreeing with all of her opinions, or we do it indirectly by not joining in on her virtue signal parade and she can feel even better about herself by being able to do things like call me a Nazi FUCKTARD, when there is actually zero evidence to support that statement. (sound familiar?)

In her mind, she holds the only moral high ground. It doesn't matter how abusive or disgusting her behavior gets when the ends justify the means. We're more than welcome to join her up on the hill, but anyone who refuses to stand with her, even though we're just talking about words on a random website, is free to be abused and hated.

Punch a Nazi.

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:48 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Do you mean like ... I'm standing there and somebody ("they") takes a swing at me? Well, hopefully as an above-middle age woman, I'd have the presence of mind to duck. Maybe even swing back. Like that?

NO, your denseness. I'm saying if large group of white supremacists decided to band together and start expelling black people from an area...which side would you join?

Or would you just stand around and demand that people stop grouping themselves because categorizing things makes you uncomfortable?

As for you people saying they don't exist, when my husband worked in the mines they tried to recruit him several times. Did you know wearing red shoe laces is a sign of white supremacists? We sure didn't.
They have events, they burn crosses, spray paint things.
If you look at a map of the groups there are three big ones in S Indiana.
We've met people from 2 of them.

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Thursday, September 21, 2017 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by 6stringJoker:

Wishy just wants us to validate her hate.

She leverages her position well, as do most SJWs and 3rd wave Feminists today. She gets what she wants either way.

You talk about MY HATE and then spew your brainwashed buzzwords in the next sentence. Seriously, you are massively afraid of women. What a joke

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Friday, September 22, 2017 12:11 AM

See what I mean?

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Friday, September 22, 2017 1:00 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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NO, your denseness. I'm saying if large group of white supremacists decided to band together and start expelling black people from an area...which side would you join?

The 'call 9-1-1' side?

Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Friday, September 22, 2017 6:37 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Do you mean like ... I'm standing there and somebody ("they") takes a swing at me? Well, hopefully as an above-middle age woman, I'd have the presence of mind to duck. Maybe even swing back. Like that? - SIGNY

NO, your denseness. I'm saying if large group of white supremacists decided to band together and start expelling black people from an area...which side would you join? - WISHY

Well, why didn't you SAY so? If it was a large group of people and they were violent about it, I'm with KIKI- I'd join the "call 911" side.

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Or would you just stand around and demand that people stop grouping themselves because categorizing things makes you uncomfortable? - WISJY

I call "strawman". You know what "strawman" is, don't you WISHY? It's when you say that the opposition says something, when that's not what they say. By definition, it is a lie. Of course, you'd stoop that low because that's just what you are..

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As for you people saying they don't exist, when my husband worked in the mines they tried to recruit him several times. Did you know wearing red shoe laces is a sign of white supremacists? We sure didn't.
They have events, they burn crosses, spray paint things.
If you look at a map of the groups there are three big ones in S Indiana.
We've met people from 2 of them.

I call ANOTHER strawman. I never said that white supremacist groups don't exist. I said that witches don't exist, and that "Russian trolls" don't exist ... at least, not enough to make any difference to anyone. Is it at all possible for you to get off your high horse once in a while?

As far as you meeting two of "them" ... I've never met even one. Maybe you should be keeping better company?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, September 22, 2017 12:47 PM

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Maybe you should be keeping better company?

You are absolutely right, I should have nothing more to do with the cowards and loons in this thread.

Have fun with 6ix, Sig.

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Friday, September 22, 2017 4:30 PM