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Now you're just a bore. It's your actions that count.

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Oh, you mean excluding my ACTIONS here in 2002? 2003? 2004? 2005? No explanation for those?

That's your problem .... you're way too selective in the information that you absorb. You ignore everything that argues against your POV, even if it's irrefutable. Consequently, you'll never learn. Like I said: willfully ignorant.

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Oh I don't know. Perhaps some of what I post below had something to do with your change in attitude and led to your long anti American rant here. Your rhetoric does match Putin's ( exactly ) and has since I've been here. I'm betting it only took the first possible reason I've listed.

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The expansion of NATO to Russia’s borders in 2004;

The 2006 Russian decision to renegotiate terms of the Sakhaklin II energy deals

with U.S. multinational corporations;

Russia’s 2006 registration requirements for Western nongovernmental organizations;

Russia’s 2007 “moratorium” on its compliance with the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty;

Stalemated negotiations over Russian membership in the World Trade Organization;

Russia’s weakening of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) election-monitoring process;

Vladimir Putin’s 2007 Munich speech declaring a second “Cold War” with the United States;

A deteriorating personal relationship between U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov3

U.S. support for Kosovo’s 2008 unilateral declaration of independence;

Stalemated negotiations over the successor to the START II treaty, which was

scheduled to expire in December 2009; and

The 2008 U.S. decision to place interceptor missiles in the Czech Republic and
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Oh I don't know. Perhaps some of what I post below had something to do with your change in attitude and led to your long anti American rant here. Your rhetoric does match Putin's ( exactly ) and has since I've been here. I'm betting it only took the first possible reason I've listed.

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And STILL no evidence.

HAS IT NOT OCCURRED TO YOU BY NOW THAT IF YOU HAVE TO RESORT TO LOGICAL FALLACIES AND TROLLING YOUR SO-CALLED ARGUMENTS ARE LIES?

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Well, that's what SECOND has been saying, in essence, even if not using that phrase.

Just go check out his posts. He says it, over and over: Americans are stupid. And you're American, right?

I just decided to stop defending "Americans" from SECOND's amply-displayed disgust!

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Trump's approval rating hovers around 35%. That doesn't mean 35% are stupid; it could be less. But a nation really will have problems that last far beyond Trump's lifetime when that many people approve of him.

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Allow me to reclaim my thread topic: Draining the Swamp and creating a New Fucking Swamp.

It doesn't surprise me that we have a new charter member, or better said, the discovery of another Trumpster, fat rich bastard looking to control the world through Russian connections:

Wilbur Ross and the Stolen "Paradise Papers" from Appleby in Bermuda, as gathered by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, that shows hundreds of private investors, including Ross, with hidden funds overseas.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/%e2%80%98paradise-papers%e2%80%99
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Ross testified that he had divested himself of all foreign companies that could compromise his position as Commerce Secretary before the House Judiciary Committee.
Of course, he wasn't totally forthcoming. In other words, he lied.


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It's just more evidence of what we suspected SGG. The Russians are here.

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Sunday's revelations form only a small part of a week of disclosures that will expose the tax and financial affairs of some of the hundreds of people and companies named in the data, some with strong UK connections.

Many of the stories focus on how politicians, multinationals, celebrities and high-net-worth individuals use complex structures of trusts, foundations and shell companies to protect their cash from tax officials or hide their dealings behind a veil of secrecy.

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Paradise Papers are leaked documents from one of those international "wealth management" law firms that donated so heavily to Hillary. Firms very much like Mossack Fonseca (Panama Papers) detailing how the wealthy elite hide their wealth and evade taxes.

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Sunday's revelations form only a small part of a week of disclosures that will expose the tax and financial affairs of some of the hundreds of people and companies named in the data, some with strong UK connections.

Many of the stories focus on how politicians, multinationals, celebrities and high-net-worth individuals use complex structures of trusts, foundations and shell companies to protect their cash from tax officials or hide their dealings behind a veil of secrecy.

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The BBC, from which this was quoted, is naturally more focused on wealth British individuals and especially whether The Queen was involved. (yes but not much $$ was invested abroad, only about $10 million USD.)


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Allow me to reclaim my thread topic: Draining the Swamp and creating a New Fucking Swamp.

It doesn't surprise me that we have a new charter member, or better said, the discovery of another Trumpster, fat rich bastard looking to control the world through Russian connections:

Wilbur Ross and the Stolen "Paradise Papers" from Appleby in Bermuda, as gathered by the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, that shows hundreds of private investors, including Ross, with hidden funds overseas.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/%e2%80%98paradise-papers%e2%80%99
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Ross testified that he had divested himself of all foreign companies that could compromise his position as Commerce Secretary before the House Judiciary Committee.
Of course, he wasn't totally forthcoming. In other words, he lied.


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It's just more evidence of what we suspected SGG. The Russians are here.

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So, let me get this straight.....you mean to say that Russia doesn't have a care in the world and is totally fine with our way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Oh goody gum drops! Golly gee Batman, they are good guys after all.

I'm sorry I ever doubted Comrade Putin.- DULL

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Do you really... REALLY ... think this is the problem we have with Russia - that they're jealous of our freedoms?

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Funny thing is that we keep hearing how there's nothing there. Reminds me of a line in a Shakespeare play, Hamlet, it goes something like this:

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

You know something is up when someone offers up an excuse way too much; it reeks of cover up and insincerity. There are a few people that I've met that exhibit those exact qualities, so on point that I just nod my head, but deep down in my gut - I know, it's all bullshit. And for this Russia denial and Fake News excuse from the White House.......

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So, let me get this straight.....you mean to say that Russia doesn't have a care in the world and is totally fine with our way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Oh goody gum drops! Golly gee Batman, they are good guys after all. I'm sorry I ever doubted Comrade Putin.- DULL

Do you really... REALLY ... think this is the problem we have with Russia - that they're jealous of our freedoms?
That's a serious question, by the way.- SIGNY

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Moreover, despite the president’s disinformation campaign — aided by Fox News, which has become largely indistinguishable from state TV (even removing an impeachment ad that upset its viewers) — the public has become increasingly concerned about the president’s conduct. “More Americans than ever before express concern about contacts between suspected Russian operatives and Trump’s presidential campaign. Forty-four percent say they are ‘very concerned’ about those reports, up from just 27% saying so in July … Almost six in 10, 59%, say they think Trump himself knew last year that anyone associated with his campaign had contact with suspected Russian operatives, while only 35% think the then-GOP nominee did not know about those contacts.” And the argument that this is all a hoax or witch hunt has fallen on deaf ears. (“About two-thirds (64%) now say the investigation into Russian efforts to influence the US presidential election in 2016 is a serious matter that should be fully investigated, while just 32% see it as an effort to discredit Trump’s presidency. That figure is down from 38% saying so in August.”) In the public’s eye, it is not special counsel Robert S. Mueller III who is mishandling matters, but Trump. “Just 34% approve of the way Trump is handling that investigation, 54% disapprove, though that represents an improvement since August, when 59% disapproved.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/11/07/the-russ
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Moreover, despite the president’s disinformation campaign — aided by Fox News, which has become largely indistinguishable from state TV (even removing an impeachment ad that upset its viewers) — the public has become increasingly concerned about the president’s conduct. “More Americans than ever before express concern about contacts between suspected Russian operatives and Trump’s presidential campaign. Forty-four percent say they are ‘very concerned’ about those reports, up from just 27% saying so in July … Almost six in 10, 59%, say they think Trump himself knew last year that anyone associated with his campaign had contact with suspected Russian operatives, while only 35% think the then-GOP nominee did not know about those contacts.” And the argument that this is all a hoax or witch hunt has fallen on deaf ears. (“About two-thirds (64%) now say the investigation into Russian efforts to influence the US presidential election in 2016 is a serious matter that should be fully investigated, while just 32% see it as an effort to discredit Trump’s presidency. That figure is down from 38% saying so in August.”) In the public’s eye, it is not special counsel Robert S. Mueller III who is mishandling matters, but Trump. “Just 34% approve of the way Trump is handling that investigation, 54% disapprove, though that represents an improvement since August, when 59% disapproved.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/11/07/the-russ
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So, let me get this straight.....you mean to say that Russia doesn't have a care in the world and is totally fine with our way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Oh goody gum drops! Golly gee Batman, they are good guys after all. I'm sorry I ever doubted Comrade Putin.- DULL

Do you really... REALLY ... think this is the problem we have with Russia - that they're jealous of our freedoms?
That's a serious question, by the way.- SIGNY

Are you asking if the average workaday Russian is envious of a ur freedoms,xliberty - or if Putin wishes his subjects had our freedoms, Liberty? - JSF

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"Russia" is a broad term. I don't know what SHINY meant, and clarification would sure be helpful!

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Funny thing is that we keep hearing how there's nothing there. Reminds me of a line in a Shakespeare play, Hamlet, it goes something like this:

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

You know something is up when someone offers up an excuse way too much; it reeks of cover up and insincerity. There are a few people that I've met that exhibit those exact qualities, so on point that I just nod my head, but deep down in my gut - I know, it's all bullshit. And for this Russia denial and Fake News excuse from the White House.......

"Methinks..."

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It could all be true.

If that's the case, it's doubly a shame the way the MSM has been going about it's business since Trump was elected.

At the very least, most americans are just desensitized to it all by now. That tends to happen when you claim the sky is falling every single day.

Didn't these overpaid shills have parents that read Chicken Little or The Boy Who Cried Wolf to them when they were kids?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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So, let me get this straight.....you mean to say that Russia doesn't have a care in the world and is totally fine with our way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Oh goody gum drops! Golly gee Batman, they are good guys after all. I'm sorry I ever doubted Comrade Putin.- DULL

Do you really... REALLY ... think this is the problem we have with Russia - that they're jealous of our freedoms?
That's a serious question, by the way.- SIGNY

Are you asking if the average workaday Russian is envious of a ur freedoms,xliberty - or if Putin wishes his subjects had our freedoms, Liberty? - JSF

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"Russia" is a broad term. I don't know what SHINY meant, and clarification would sure be helpful!

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You posed the "serious question" so you are the sole arbiter of what you meant by your statement. Do you need somebody else to tell you what you mean when you post things?

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"It's just more evidence of what we suspected SGG. The Russians are here. "

logic fail - spectacularly, hilariously, in a noteworthy way

You're like Wishi. Every time you post your pompous, self-important judgments - that are 180 off from reality - you get funnier and funnier.

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Well, I dunno.....how many times must the president say....."I'm not being investigated."

Did the MSM make him say that?

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"It's just more evidence of what we suspected SGG. The Russians are here. "

logic fail - spectacularly, hilariously, in a noteworthy way

You're like Wishi. Every time you post your pompous, self-important judgments - that are 180 off from reality - you get funnier and funnier.

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While you're squabbling about petty differences in style, my 1 percenters are stealing trillions. Congratulations for distracting the lower 99%! I can't thank you enough for your unpaid service, so I won't thank you at all.

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At some point in time one would expect kiki and Jack to name two, would stop eliciting your ire. Sadly, it's what trolls live for. Still, I love the way their logic is reduced to ashes by you.

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While you're squabbling about petty differences in style (circle all that apply) political parties, gender, race, age, other my 1 percenters are stealing trillions- SECOND

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This is the problem with a MSM that is so out of control and hyper focused on their hate for Trump and the Republican Party in general. (And also the problem with 24 hour news networks and news on the internet in general)

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Well, I dunno.....how many times must the president say....."I'm not being investigated."

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In a word, yes.

What should he say or do that would appease you?

I'll list a few things he could say or do that I guaranty would not appease you.

1. Ignore the question whenever it is asked.
2. Say "No Comment" whenever it is asked.
3. Ban certain news outlets who are going to ask the question from events.
4. Completely isolate himself from the media.


This is the problem with a MSM that is so out of control and hyper focused on their hate for Trump and the Republican Party in general. (And also the problem with 24 hour news networks and news on the internet in general)

They never STFU about it.

I've said it before... please investigate. Not just trump and not just Republicans, but the whole collective cesspool. This government needs an enima. Flush em all out.

But do some real Goddamned investigative journalism first and quit with all the bullshit speculation and for fucks sake stop quoting random sources.

Every. Fucking. Story.

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But if I were guilty, I wouldn't go around calling the cops a bunch of losers and suckers who were trying to frame me for the murder. That would piss them off and make them want to catch me and lock me up even more, now wouldn't it. Does that make sense?

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Trump judge nominee, 36, who has never tried a case, wins approval of Senate panel

Brett J. Talley, President Trump’s nominee to be a federal judge in Alabama, has never tried a case, was unanimously rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Assn.’s judicial rating committee, has practiced law for only three years and, as a blogger last year, displayed a degree of partisanship unusual for a judicial nominee, denouncing “Hillary Rotten Clinton” and pledging support for the National Rifle Assn.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-judge-20171110-story.h
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Is this what Trump means by drain the swamp. This judge is clueless about what this country is about and the rule of law.

Bravo SIG, you sure can pickem. Stooge, a person who serves merely to support or assist others. You SIG are a stooge, which is only one of the many other unpleasant things that you are, comrade.

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They all do it. Fuck! change the channel or turn it off.

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We seem to be in agreement on a lot of things.

I'd never try to convince you that Trump was an innocent angel. I'm sure he isn't. None of us are, let alone anybody in power on any level. My issue comes with how the media has come at him relentlessly since day one. You agree on that and even made a joke about if Trump takes a shit that the MSM will dissect it and tell us what he ate last night.

I don't know why Trump would fire Comey. I can't even speculate on it. That's another problem with the media today. That's all they do is speculate. There is no investigative journalism anymore. I'm sure Trump knew how guilty doing so would make him look in the eyes of people who already hated him. (And yes, hate is not used wrong here. It is genuine hate that many people in this country have for our President).

He's a lot of things, but I don't think he's a stupid man. It's possible that he has nothing to worry about in the end and wasn't worried about the public perception of firing Comey. If anything, Comey has shown himself to be pretty incompetent and he wasn't very well respected by people on either side for his constant flip-flopping on issues. If Comey had cleared his name, people who hate Trump wouldn't have believed him. Do you think it will be easy for those same people to do that if Mueller clears his name?

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Well that's just it. I wouldn't do it either. It doesn't make sense.

Unless something I said many months ago is true and that Trump is doing this all to end up catching some high ranking government officials and a large portion of the MSM in a huge GOTCHA moment when it turns out he isn't guilty.

Anyway... enough speculation on my part. I don't want to add to that shit-show.


I think that you think I watch Fox News. I don't. I can't stomach their bullshit anymore than I can MSNBC or CNN. I immediately tune out whenever anybody puts their bias in their "reporting" and this is something that all the cable "news" networks do constantly.

None of them give a shit about the truth. It's all about ratings.

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But, you see, I'm able to discard the obvious sales pitch and retain the news feature of the day. When I watch, I separate out the important news and "opinions" for myself. I glean what I need and critique the pundits for their contributions, but I also follow print news.

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You'd have to revamp the tax structure because it's far too easy for corporations and transnational elites to declare their profits in tax havens, or hide their wealth in "instant" subsidiaries and foundations

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OH BTW- JSF- that concept that lower rates increvase tax revenues has been disproved over and over and over again. That is a misapplication of a concept called the aptly-named "Laffer Curve". Every tax-cutting Republican President - including Reagan- sang that song, and every one of them was proved wrong, as demonstrated by the history of actual government revenues versus tax rates.

Before you forward an idea like this, it would be useful to look up actual numbers to see if it's been validated by reality.

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Trump judge nominee, 36, who has never tried a case, wins approval of Senate panel

Brett J. Talley, President Trump’s nominee to be a federal judge in Alabama, has never tried a case, was unanimously rated “not qualified” by the American Bar Assn.’s judicial rating committee, has practiced law for only three years and, as a blogger last year, displayed a degree of partisanship unusual for a judicial nominee, denouncing “Hillary Rotten Clinton” and pledging support for the National Rifle Assn.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-judge-20171110-story.h
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Is this what Trump means by drain the swamp. This judge is clueless about what this country is about and the rule of law.

Bravo SIG, you sure can pickem. Stooge, a person who serves merely to support or assist others. You SIG are a stooge, which is only one of the many other unpleasant things that you are, comrade.

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Trump may be all manner of stupid. He may even be a corrupt businessman, but the one thing he isn't is a traitor to the USA, like Hillary is.- SIGNY

And you have evidence of that right? Evidence of Hillary commiting an act of treason. Let's see it.- THUGR

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Trump may be all manner of stupid. He may even be a corrupt businessman, but the one thing he isn't is a traitor to the USA, like Hillary is.- SIGNY

And you have evidence of that right? Evidence of Hillary commiting an act of treason. Let's see it.- THUGR

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Anyone advocating that America give over its sovereign right of creating and drafting its own laws through the democratic process ... laws regarding the environment, health, wages, finance, immigration, the economy etc ... to foreign powers is a traitor.

I can't think of a clearer description of traitorous behavior than that.

Hillary is a traitor.

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There you have it folks. Once again we get to witness sig the hypocrite. Thread after thread we see her post there is no evidence to show Trump or his associates conspired with the Russians. She posts these denials even though aid after aid of Trumps, cabinet member after cabinet, family member after family member and appointee after appointee of his has been caught lying about their Russian connections.

Then she has the tenacity to post this shit as though it is evidence of Hillary's treasonous behavior.

Sig, your as sick as they come. And quite frankly, so are all those who don't call her on it.


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Trump may be all manner of stupid. He may even be a corrupt businessman, but the one thing he isn't is a traitor to the USA, like Hillary is.- SIGNY

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Anyone advocating that America give over its sovereign right of creating and drafting its own laws through the democratic process ... laws regarding the environment, health, wages, finance, immigration, the economy etc ... to foreign powers is a traitor.

I can't think of a clearer description of traitorous behavior than that.

Hillary is a traitor.

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There you have it folks. Once again we get to witness sig the hypocrite. Thread after thread we see her post there is no evidence to show Trump or his associates conspired with the Russians. She posts these denials even though aid after aid of Trumps, cabinet member after cabinet member, family member after family member and appointee after appointee of his has been caught lying about their Russian connections.

Then she has the tenacity to post this shit as though it is evidence of Hillary's treasonous behavior.

Sig your as sick as they come. And quite frankly, so are all those who don't call her on it. Show me the evidence!!


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Trump may be all manner of stupid. He may even be a corrupt businessman, but the one thing he isn't is a traitor to the USA, like Hillary is.- SIGNY

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Anyone advocating that America give over its sovereign right of creating and drafting its own laws through the democratic process ... laws regarding the environment, health, wages, finance, immigration, the economy etc ... to foreign powers is a traitor.

I can't think of a clearer description of traitorous behavior than that.

Hillary is a traitor.

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There you have it folks. Once again we get to witness sig the hypocrite. Thread after thread we see her post there is no evidence to show Trump or his associates conspired with the Russians. She posts these denials even though aid after aid of Trumps, cabinet member after cabinet member, family member after family member and appointee after appointee of his has been caught lying about their Russian connections.

Then she has the tenacity to post this shit as though it is evidence of Hillary's treasonous behavior.

Sig your as sick as they come. And quite frankly, so are all those who don't call her on it. Show me the evidence!!


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Hear say, innuendo, based on fake news. Proof sig, the kind you are demanding concerning Trump. What is it you don't understand. From this day going forward I will remind you that what you post lacks evidence. It is is after all, according to you, only fake news clippings.

You're so ignorant, you kiki and Jack have painted yourselfs into a corner. The three of you have labeled the main stream media as fake news. You can't possibly source any of it as factual after that. Morons, one and all.


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Whatever the specific environmental/ worker provisions she claimed were lacking in both trade agreements, the REAL for rejecting the trade agreements SHOULD HAVE BEEN the provision which allows corporations to sue governments over regulations which interfere with profits, and to be heard in a private trade tribunals, not in a court of law of the relevant nation. So any city, any state, any nation which seeks (for example) to regulate food safety or pharmaceuticals; or products made with child labor; or high-carbon fuels could be sued for interfering with the corporation's profits, and there is a good chance that the corporation would win.

I know I've posted about this many times before, but what this means is that you can shit-can all of laws and regulations that have been created via the democratic process; and subject them to decisions made by an overseas secret group.

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“[The] TPP would expand the ‘investor-state’ dispute settlement system that allows foreign firms operating here to drag the U.S. government before extrajudicial tribunals staffed by private corporate lawyers to demand unlimited taxpayer compensation if they think our environmental, health or other laws violate their TPP rights and limit their ‘expected future profits,’” wrote Wallach. “Tribunals have ordered governments to pay $3.6 billion to corporations for toxics, energy, water and other policies under past U.S. agreements. These involved developing nations with few U.S. investors here, so we avoided greater liability. But with 9,000 corporations from TPP nations established here, the TPP would double U.S. exposure to these attacks. That alone would provide 9,000 reasons to oppose TPP.”

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https://www.thenation.com/article/tpp-prioritizes-rights-of-corporatio
ns-over-workers-the-environment-and-democracy/

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Hear say, innuendo, based on fake news.

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