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The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

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The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

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And WHAT would you have them DO??

This would work so much better if local governments were given the power to place a 30 day psych hold on all these macho mutts. You either want to help fund a better country or you want to shoot people for thoughtcrimes....WHICH IS IT??

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You seem to be the only person unaware of the ample laws available to detain persons clearly proclaiming they will perpetrate a mass shooting.
almost 40 seats that flipped from Republican to Democratic control since Trump took office. The bulk happened at the state legislative level..

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Per capita we have more persons in prisons, and are among the highest in guns deaths, compare to elsewhere in the world. CLEARLY we're doing something wrong.

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Kids also have rights to free speech, so unless the kid is dumb enough to put "I AM SHOOTING UP _____ TOMORROW" instead of "I want to shoot people" there isn't much that can LEGALLY be done.

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation disclosed it received a tip in September about an ominous online message that read: “I‘m going to be a professional school shooter.” The comment had been posted to someone else’s YouTube video by a person going by the name of Nikolas Cruz, now presumed to be the same individual as the suspect in the Florida shooting.

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The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

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Kids also have rights to free speech, so unless the kid is dumb enough to put "I AM SHOOTING UP _____ TOMORROW" instead of "I want to shoot people" there isn't much that can LEGALLY be done.

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Though I'm a huge proponent of Free Speech, there are limits to what it covers. This kid actually said "I'm going to be a professional school shooter".

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation disclosed it received a tip in September about an ominous online message that read: “I‘m going to be a professional school shooter.” The comment had been posted to someone else’s YouTube video by a person going by the name of Nikolas Cruz, now presumed to be the same individual as the suspect in the Florida shooting.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/telltale-internet-
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That shit isn't funny. Now I don't have all the answers to everything, and I hate the idea of anybody having to be afraid to post what they want to post, let alone kids. I'm not saying that he should have been arrested just for saying that online somewhere, but somebody probably should have looked into that. September was a long time ago. There's probably 100 things that could have been done to prevent the bloodshed that wouldn't even have required an arrest. The "kid" obviously needed attention. Maybe his mom could have given him a hug and they could have cried it out. I dunno...

The only thing I do know is that the FBI admits they knew about this and it was just completely ignored. We now know the end result of that decision, and it wasn't good. How could that have been handled better the next time it inevitably happens?

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Of all the schools in Florida that do have security, such a surprise that he went to one giving his weapons free access.

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You sure as hell don't fire the head of the FBI for that - that's a total obvious suck up move & extreme overreach. Maybe you fire the bureau chief MAYBE. Or, you find out how to connect the suspicions with some kind of action that prevents mass shootings. Republicans are obviously little help - they defend the 2nd amendment to the hilt, AND THAT IS FINE so long as you also realize that by making "individual rights" so untouchable you also make the next step of prevention pretty much untouchable as well.

And the much repeated 'cuz-they-have-nothing-else "we need better health care" - how do you do that? This guy gets 3 strikes from what, getting in trouble, and someone comes and makes him go to a Doctor? Didn't we just have someone shoot up somewhere who was seeing a doctor? You can't sit on these people 24/7/365. Making it so mentally impaired people can't own a fire arm would be great and it makes perfect sense EXCEPT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS REMOVED THAT PROTECTION - unbelievable.

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Turns out he WAS investigated in November. (2016)


PARKLAND, Fla. (AP) — Florida's child welfare agency investigated the suspect in a school shooting that killed 17 people after he cut himself in a video but found him stable, according to state records.

The Miami Herald obtained records from Florida's Department of Children and Families and reported Saturday that Nikolas Cruz posted a video on the social media network Snapchat showing him cutting his arms in 2016.

The agency was called to investigate. Cruz, then 18, was listed as an "alleged victim" of medical neglect and inadequate supervision; his adoptive mother, then-68-year-old Lynda Cruz, the "alleged perpetrator."

"Mr. Cruz was on Snapchat cutting both of his arms," the Florida DCF abuse hotline was told in August 2016. "Mr. Cruz has fresh cuts on both his arms. Mr. Cruz stated he plans to go out and buy a gun."

According to the paper, DCF's investigation was completed that Nov. 12. The agency concluded that Cruz had not been mistreated by his mother, was receiving adequate care from a mental health counselor and was attending school.

"Henderson came out and assessed the (victim and) found him to be stable enough not to be hospitalized," the DCF report said.

Cruz had been diagnosed with autism, a neurological disorder that often leads to social awkwardness and isolation, and attention deficit-hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD.

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The only Agency who knew about this kid and could do something about it was the FBI. And the FBI chose to do nothing.

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Maybe you fire the bureau chief MAYBE. Or, you find out how to connect the suspicions with some kind of action that prevents mass shootings. Republicans are obviously little help - they defend the 2nd amendment to the hilt, AND THAT IS FINE

Didn't we just have someone shoot up somewhere who was seeing a doctor? You can't sit on these people 24/7/365.

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lol bare arms.

Your two funny man.

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We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.

The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.

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We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.

The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.

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We do tend to try and hide them away, don't we? It's like our old folks - "less we know the better."
Taking this latest shooter - and Newtown shooter strikes me as similar - what would have been the process by which he would have been treated? Meaning, how do you get guns away from them? How do you physically get them in for a review to get them unable to own guns? Is there a hotline? You call them and they come to your house and do a test? That seems creepy and rife with the potential for abuse. Just curious.

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We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.

The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.

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We do tend to try and hide them away, don't we? It's like our old folks - "less we know the better." Taking this latest shooter - and Newtown shooter strikes me as similar - what would have been the process by which he would have been treated? Meaning, how do you get guns away from them? How do you physically get them in for a review to get them unable to own guns? Is there a hotline? You call them and they come to your house and do a test? That seems creepy and rife with the potential for abuse. Just curious.

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We really don't have a good system in place for the mentally ill. I've personally known 2 families with adult schizophrenic children. The families oscillate between being frantic and resigned, because they have no legal ability to make sure their children are sheltered. So their children, who they love dearly, are mostly living unmedicated on the street, at risk for disease, assault, and even murder; and potentially capable of harming others.
The shooter was merely on a different part of the continuum between so ill you're completely incapable, and ill enough to be irrationally hostile, but well enough to be functional - in other words, dangerous.

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We do tend to try and hide them away, don't we? It's like our old folks - "less we know the better."
Taking this latest shooter - and Newtown shooter strikes me as similar - what would have been the process by which he would have been treated? Meaning, how do you get guns away from them? How do you physically get them in for a review to get them unable to own guns? Is there a hotline? You call them and they come to your house and do a test? That seems creepy and rife with the potential for abuse. Just curious.

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/16/florida-gov-scott-calls-on-fbi-
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What is it with these people? His first reaction to the chaos and murder that happens in HIS STATE was to deflect awkwardly, unconvincingly, "well, umm... we are still getting the details... once we have them all... in a month or never... we'll know what to do to safe guard our citizens," obvious stall for time bullshit.

Then he totted out the NRA / Republican bought and paid for line: "We need to do something about mental health..." and then they do NOTHING, or they repeal legislation meant to keep guns from the mentally impaired.

Then the same do nothing line Ryan has used since Newtown, "let's not jump to conclusions..."

AND NOW Scott is calling for... mental health improvements? Background checks? Nope! "Let's fire the FBI Director." How much Trump d. can he #@!&?

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He used this to call for the head of the FBI to resign. Yet he fails to mention his social services agency visited the shooter in his home and declared him fit.

Does this mean he is going to resign?



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Not that anybody here is actually looking for a solution, but I almost guarantee that it will end right after we start holding responsible the Doctors who require that these people consume psychotropic drugs which create these Spree Killers.

As soon as we throw a prescribing Doctor in prison, it will end.

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I just remembered:

    When guns are outlawed,
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Outlaws & Cops will have guns.

If the cops don't arrive in time to save me from the outlaws ...
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Apropos of your last line, at work we had mandatory 'active shooter' training. They said, first of all, when you enter a place, imagine where a shooter might come from (usually the main entrance) and sit closest to the other exit. And also, people lose time wondering 'was that a gun?' when they should be moving. It's too taxing, living like that. Or maybe I'm just old.


Funny story - A year(ish) after I came to California, I went through the Whittier quake. Where I happened to be working at the time was just a few hundred feet off the epicenter. It made quite an impression. Anyway, a few months after that I was at my local restaurant, relaxing and anticipating some tasty chili rellenos for dinner, when the dishes began to rattle and the floor shake a little. And I'm looking around at everybody who're calmly, obliviously eating, and all I could think of was "are they NUTS?" Then I remembered that just 25 feet from one wall was a railroad track, and a train was going by. Between the two, for YEARS, every time I drove somewhere, or went somewhere, or even just got busy at home, I'd often ask myself - what would I do if an earthquake hit now?

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/16/florida-gov-scott-calls-on-fbi-
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What is it with these people? His first reaction to the chaos and murder that happens in HIS STATE was to deflect awkwardly, unconvincingly, "well, umm... we are still getting the details... once we have them all... in a month or never... we'll know what to do to safe guard our citizens," obvious stall for time bullshit.

Then he totted out the NRA / Republican bought and paid for line: "We need to do something about mental health..." and then they do NOTHING, or they repeal legislation meant to keep guns from the mentally impaired.

Then the same do nothing line Ryan has used since Newtown, "let's not jump to conclusions..."

AND NOW Scott is calling for... mental health improvements? Background checks? Nope! "Let's fire the FBI Director." How much Trump d. can he #@!&?

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https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/02/16/florida-gov-scott-calls-on-fbi-
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What is it with these people? His first reaction to the chaos and murder that happens in HIS STATE was to deflect awkwardly, unconvincingly, "well, umm... we are still getting the details... once we have them all... in a month or never... we'll know what to do to safe guard our citizens," obvious stall for time bullshit.

Then he totted out the NRA / Republican bought and paid for line: "We need to do something about mental health..." and then they do NOTHING, or they repeal legislation meant to keep guns from the mentally impaired.

Then the same do nothing line Ryan has used since Newtown, "let's not jump to conclusions..."

AND NOW Scott is calling for... mental health improvements? Background checks? Nope! "Let's fire the FBI Director." How much Trump d. can he #@!&?

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Stop trying to blame the NRA. Jesus fucking Christ ! It has zero do do w/ making the school a gun free zone, or the over medication of psycho nut jobs w/ mood altering meds, OR the fact that the cops were called to this loser's house 39 times in the past few years, OR that the FBI ignored every warning under the sun because it had better things to do....

You're flat out delusional if you think the GOP or NRA had 1 microns worth of blame here.

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Funny story - A year(ish) after I came to California, I went through the Whittier quake. Where I happened to be working at the time was just a few hundred feet off the epicenter. It made quite an impression. Anyway, a few months after that I was at my local restaurant, relaxing and anticipating some tasty chili rellenos for dinner, when the dishes began to rattle and the floor shake a little. And I'm looking around at everybody who're calmly, obliviously eating, and all I could think of was "are they NUTS?" Then I remembered that just 25 feet from one wall was a railroad track, and a train was going by. Between the two, for YEARS, every time I drove somewhere, or went somewhere, or even just got busy at home, I'd often ask myself - what would I do if an earthquake hit now?

That's the kind of tactical, prepared thinking I'm supposed to maintain just in case there's an active shooter.

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Stop trying to blame the NRA. It has zero do do w/ making the school a gun free zone, or the over medication of psycho nut jobs w/ mood altering meds,

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You sure as hell don't fire the head of the FBI for that - that's a total obvious suck up move & extreme overreach. Maybe you fire the bureau chief MAYBE. Or, you find out how to connect the suspicions with some kind of action that prevents mass shootings. Republicans are obviously little help - they defend the 2nd amendment to the hilt, AND THAT IS FINE so long as you also realize that by making "individual rights" so untouchable you also make the next step of prevention pretty much untouchable as well.

And the much repeated 'cuz-they-have-nothing-else "we need better health care" - how do you do that? This guy gets 3 strikes from what, getting in trouble, and someone comes and makes him go to a Doctor? Didn't we just have someone shoot up somewhere who was seeing a doctor? You can't sit on these people 24/7/365. Making it so mentally impaired people can't own a fire arm would be great and it makes perfect sense EXCEPT TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICANS REMOVED THAT PROTECTION - unbelievable.

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Kids also have rights to free speech, so unless the kid is dumb enough to put "I AM SHOOTING UP _____ TOMORROW" instead of "I want to shoot people" there isn't much that can LEGALLY be done.

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Though I'm a huge proponent of Free Speech, there are limits to what it covers. This kid actually said "I'm going to be a professional school shooter".

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation disclosed it received a tip in September about an ominous online message that read: “I‘m going to be a professional school shooter.” The comment had been posted to someone else’s YouTube video by a person going by the name of Nikolas Cruz, now presumed to be the same individual as the suspect in the Florida shooting.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-shooting/telltale-internet-
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That shit isn't funny. Now I don't have all the answers to everything, and I hate the idea of anybody having to be afraid to post what they want to post, let alone kids. I'm not saying that he should have been arrested just for saying that online somewhere, but somebody probably should have looked into that. September was a long time ago. There's probably 100 things that could have been done to prevent the bloodshed that wouldn't even have required an arrest. The "kid" obviously needed attention. Maybe his mom could have given him a hug and they could have cried it out. I dunno...

The only thing I do know is that the FBI admits they knew about this and it was just completely ignored. We now know the end result of that decision, and it wasn't good. How could that have been handled better the next time it inevitably happens?



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Pruitt arranged condo deal through energy lobbyist, source says

Environmental Protection Agency administrator Scott Pruitt worked directly with a top energy lobbyist, and without a real estate broker, to set up a $50-a-night rental room in a prime Capitol Hill building co-owned by the lobbyist’s wife during his first six months in Washington, a source familiar with the arrangement told ABC News.

Pruitt was permitted to pay rent for just a single bedroom in the upstairs condo unit, even though the other bedrooms in the unit were unoccupied, the source told ABC News.

In all, Pruitt paid $6,100 to the limited liability corporation for the Capitol Hill condo co-owned by Vicki Hart, whose husband J. Steven Hart is chairman of a top D.C. lobbying firm and who is registered to lobby for several major environmental and energy concerns, according to Bloomberg News which first reported the payment arrangement.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pruitt-arranged-condo-deal-energy-lobby
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Another example of Trump draining the swamp. Not....
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Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me", which is an American parochial phrase). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis. It is also a matter of personal tolerance for the individual that might be in conflict with psychiatric diagnoses.

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I see what you're saying, but I'm afraid that with technology becoming a larger part of our collective lives every year that this could become a back door to a larger invasion of privacy.

What about people who choose not to use Facebook? "Why aren't they on Facebook? What have they got to hide that they're not on Facebook? Why don't they have Alexa or Siri in their homes? Why don't they own a smartphone?"



I could see this slowly becoming something akin to your credit score. The more social media you use and have never said anything questionable on or around, the higher that index is for your name/number. The more "flagged" words or phrases you type in or say around listening devices over the course of your life the lower the index goes. Those under a certain number are blocked from owning a firearm. (And I'm sure this could be carried over to many other seemingly innocuous things once the system is installed).

Those who avoid all of these things are "unknowns". They basically have "unknown credit" and will not be able to purchase a firearm until they voluntarily submit to a rigorous psychological and background check, or they give in and surround themselves with big brother for a few years and "build their credit".



Strange and scary times we're living in man.

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Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me", which is an American parochial phrase). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis. It is also a matter of personal tolerance for the individual that might be in conflict with psychiatric diagnoses.

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The reason I do this is because it is important news. Also because what you and jack post for the most part is nonsensical. Having no meaning; making no sense. My last two posts here are in no way nonsensical.

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Paranoia is an instinct or thought process believed to be heavily influenced by anxiety or fear, often to the point of delusion and irrationality. Paranoid thinking typically includes persecutory, or beliefs of conspiracy concerning a perceived threat towards oneself (e.g. "Everyone is out to get me", which is an American parochial phrase). Paranoia is distinct from phobias, which also involve irrational fear, but usually no blame. Making false accusations and the general distrust of others also frequently accompany paranoia. For example, an incident most people would view as an accident or coincidence, a paranoid person might believe was intentional. Paranoia is a central symptom of psychosis. It is also a matter of personal tolerance for the individual that might be in conflict with psychiatric diagnoses.

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White House chaos jeopardizes war on ISIS, U.S. commanders warn

“We’re on the two-yard line,” one U.S. special forces commander told NBC News. “We’re that close and now it’s coming apart.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/white-house-chaos-jeopardizes-war-i
sis-u-s-commanders-warn-n859966

The reason I do this is because it is important news. Also because what you and jack post for the most part is nonsensical. Having no meaning; making no sense. My last two posts here are in no way nonsensical.

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