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tick tock comrade

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Yanno, I wasn't going to go through the whole procedure with the lawyers.

You made it worth my time.

See you in court.

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Great, one question. How are they going to sue me for slandering someone who doesn't exist? You know, this kiki person. Stop being an ass.

Now, can you shed any light on this? What's the inside scoop?

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Russian spies hacked the Olympics and tried to make it look like North Korea did it, U.S. officials say

Russian military spies hacked several hundred computers used by authorities at the 2018 Winter Olympic Games in South Korea, according to U.S. intelligence.

They did so while trying to make it appear as though the intrusion was conducted by North Korea, what is known as a "false-flag" operation, said two U.S. officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/international/ct-olympics-russia-
spies-hacking-20180224-story.html


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SECOND, you have got to be kidding that the Democratic Party was any better at reining in the security agencies than the GOP

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In an interview published Monday by acTVism Munich, an independent media outlet, McGovern warned that U.S. intelligence agencies are too powerful to be held accountable, even by President Barack Obama. He explained:

“I will simply say that he is afraid of them. Now I would have never thought that I would hear myself saying that the president of the United States is afraid of the CIA. But he is. He’s afraid of the NSA as well. How else to explain that the National Intelligence director, who lied under oath to his senate overseers on the 12th of March 2013, is still the director of National Intelligence?”

Statements made under oath to Congress in 2013 by James Clapper, the director of National Intelligence, in which he denied mass surveillance of Americans, were later revealed to be false by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. In 2014, some members of Congress, including California Rep. Darrell Issa, moved to have Clapper dismissed from his post, but their efforts were ultimately defeated.

McGovern continued: “How else to explain that the head of CIA, John Brennan, who deliberately hacked the computers of the senate’s intelligence community, that’s supposed to be overseeing him, he’s still in office?”

Brennan apologized to Senate leaders in July 2014 after CIA agents hacked Senate computers during a congressional investigation of the CIA’s use of torture, but neither the torturers nor the hackers would face any consequences for their actions. In January 2015, an internal CIA review board declared the hack had been a result of “miscommunication” and cleared all agents of wrongdoing.

In the interview, McGovern lamented the fact that political leaders, including President George W. Bush and Obama, have given their approval to unconstitutional behavior by government officials:

“Our bill of rights has been shredded. The Fourth Amendment specifically prohibits the kind of activities the NSA is involved in domestically.”

He also criticized Obama’s drone program, noting that “[t]he Fifth Amendment prohibits any president or anyone else from killing anyone without due process,” and dismissed the administration’s legal justifications for the killings as a “lawyerly diversion from the truth.”

“Not even George Bush claimed the right to kill American citizens without due process,” McGovern said.

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https://www.mintpressnews.com/former-cia-analyst-ray-mcgovern-obama-af
raid-cia-nsa/214602/

And what was Diane Feinstein (Senate Intelligence Committee) doing while all this was going on?

Keeping very, very quiet.

In addition, if it the FBI/NSA colluded with the DNC in the runup to the Presidential elections, like it LOOKS like they did, then Obama and the DNC are not only hip-deep in the security-agencies' illegal interference in foreign governments and in breaking the Constitution, they're also guilty of interference in our own domestic political processes.

Not saying that Obama is worse than GWB, but he's not any better. So fuck your rabid partisanship, SECOND. It's stupid, it's counterproductive, and it's nothing more than "virtue signaling" by someone whose economic status would be threatened by REAL reform. (In case you haven't figured it out, that means you.)

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tick tock comrade

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Yanno, I wasn't going to go through the whole procedure with the lawyers.

You made it worth my time.

See you in court.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

So, here's a hint. If you don't know where the line is, don't attack people PERSONALLY. Then you'll be safe.

And it's more than possible to disagree over things, even disagree vehemently, without PERSONAL attacks.

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I know you're not suing me. I just don't want anything to do with it is all I'm saying.

Though I'll agree with you that T's stuff goes above and beyond, I'd think twice about throwing stones in a glass house. You've made plenty of personal attacks here, as have most of us. And they will all be gone over with a fine tooth comb.

This isn't going to be some simple open and shut case, and you're going to get a lot of push back yourself if you actually went through with anything... that is, assuming anybody takes this seriously in the first place.

I'd personally feel bad for Haken and the Firefly fan community more than anything else. There would be a pretty good chance this isn't a story that would be missed by the media, what with "Russia!" being at the center of it.

My suggestion to you is to just leave the board if it bothers you that much. There's plenty of other places to argue with people every day, and T is just a little worm that isn't worth anybody's time, let alone money for legal fees.


If he doxed you and made this personal, you'd have my support. As it stands right now, I do not support your decision to go through with this.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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kiki leaving the board would not mean Thuggery would stop in the absence.
I cannot in fairness expect kiki to cease reasonable pursuit of options.

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So, here's a hint. If you don't know where the line is, don't attack people PERSONALLY. Then you'll be safe.

And it's more than possible to disagree over things, even disagree vehemently, without PERSONAL attacks.

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Since there is no person 1kiki, you can't be PERSONALLY attacked. This is because the symbols 1, k, i, k, i don't add up to be a person. In this, as in everything else, you are a lying sack of shit, and I'm addressing whatever the entity is behind the keyboard typing the letters 1, k, i, k, i.
A bot or a "1kiki" can't take a person to court and sue them for libel, slander, or anything.

I remember when "1kiki" and "Signym" were anti-Hillary because of her irrational hostility toward Putin, while being pro-Trump because he is rationally hospitable toward Putin. I’m sure Hillary could make rational decisions about a hostile nuclear power. I’m not so sure that Trump is rational, except when calculating what is risky for Trump’s fortune.

And that brings us to Trump being rationally concerned that Russians in general, or maybe Putin in particular, can wreck Trump’s business fortune. Do bad Russians have evidence that Trump’s New York real estate business laundered money for the worst Russians? Could be. Can Russians blackmail Trump for something he did in Moscow during the Ms Universe Contest? Maybe. And that is trouble for Trump as long as Robert Mueller is sifting through the dirt of an archaeological dig, looking for clues, evidence, and pottery shards marked with the gilded T for Trump.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly]

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Yep, funny part is Jacks shitting himself over this. It's precious...


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Shit, we have yet to see Mueller reveal anything about wiki leaks and the hacking of the DNC part of the investigation. Stay tuned folks.

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Trump, Mueller and wiki leaks. I told you it was coming.
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Mueller is reportedly building a criminal case against Russians connected to the DNC hack

The special counsel Robert Mueller is reportedly building a criminal case against Russians who were involved in the hack of the Democratic National Committee in 2016 and the distribution of stolen materials.

Public reporting indicates Mueller has zeroed in on the DNC hack in recent weeks, and whether members of President Donald Trump's campaign, including the candidate himself, were involved in the effort.

Two close Trump confidants, including his son, were in direct contact with the radical pro-transparency group WikiLeaks, which disseminated the hacked emails, during and after the 2016 election.

Trump also repeatedly praised WikiLeaks on the campaign trail and publicly asked Russia for information about his political opponent.

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-builds-criminal-case-against-ru
ssians-in-dnc-hack-wikileaks-2018-3

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What a fun day!

Indictment came today. All Russian names.

From second:

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment/russians-indict
ed-in-2016-u-s-election-meddling-investigation-idUSKCN1G022U

http://fingfx.thomsonreuters.com/gfx/mkt/5/1605/1603/internet_research
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA versus

Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin,
Mikhail Ivanovich Bystrov,
Mikhail Leonidovich Burchik
A/K/A Mikhail Abramov,
Aleksandra Yuryevna Krylova,
Anna Vladislavovna Bogacheva,
Sergey Pavlovich Polozov,
Maria Anatolyevna Bovda
A/K/A Maria Anatolyevna Belyaeva,
Robert Sergeyevich Bovda,
Dzheykhun Nasimi Ogly Aslanov
A/K/A Jayhoon Aslanov
A/K/A Jay Aslanov,
Vadim Vladimirovich Podkopaev,
Gleb Igorevich Vasilchenko,
Irina Viktorovna Kaverzina, and
Vladimir Venkov.

How funny (?) that the descriptions and details that Rosenstein & Co. used could have been lifted from any number of threads or honest posters on this forum, it was almost like word for word. I'm tempted to say "vindication b*tches" but I'll wait because I know it's going to just get better.

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It's getting better. Federal Judge Dabney Friedrich has denied Mueller's request to avoid revealing that he has No Evidence. The Mueller victim in this case is Concord Management.

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It's getting better. Federal Judge Dabney Friedrich has denied Mueller's request to avoid revealing that he has No Evidence. The Mueller victim in this case is Concord Management.

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Hardly - She just didn't grant a delay:

"(Judge) Friedrich, a Trump appointee based in Washington, sided with Concord and said the arraignment will proceed as scheduled Wednesday afternoon."

If this causes Mueller to reveal previously unwanted details then hallelujah! Let's get it on already.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/04/mueller-russia-interference-
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Basically, Mueller filed indictments expecting no response from any of the 13 'troll-farm' Russians. But a legal response was given, along with discovery requests, that prosecutors are required to turn over to the defense. Mueller appears to have been caught off guard by the need to produce his evidence to the accuseds' lawyers. Hence, he requested a delay based on what seems to have been judged as improper legal grounds (stall tactic). The judge denied the request without comment.

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Judge rejects Mueller's request for delay in Russian troll farm case

A federal judge has rejected special counsel Robert Mueller’s request to delay the first court hearing in a criminal case charging three Russian companies and 13 Russian citizens with using social media and other means to foment strife among Americans in advance of the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

In a brief order Saturday evening, U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich offered no explanation for her decision to deny a request prosecutors made Friday to put off the scheduled Wednesday arraignment for Concord Management and Consulting, one of the three firms charged in the case.

The 13 people charged in the high-profile indictment in February are considered unlikely to ever appear in a U.S. court. The three businesses accused of facilitating the alleged Russian troll farm operation — the Internet Research Agency, Concord Management, and Concord Catering — were also expected to simply ignore the American criminal proceedings.

Last month, however, a pair of Washington-area lawyers suddenly surfaced in the case, notifying the court that they represent Concord Management. POLITICO reported at the time that the move appeared to be a bid to force Mueller’s team to turn over relevant evidence to the Russian firm and perhaps even to bait prosecutors into an embarrassing dismissal in order to avoid disclosing sensitive information.

On Friday, Mueller’s prosecutors disclosed that Concord’s attorneys, Eric Dubelier and Kate Seikaly, had made a slew of discovery requests demanding nonpublic details about the case and the investigation. Prosecutors also asked a judge to postpone the formal arraignment of Concord Management set for next week.

The prosecution team sought the delay on the grounds that it’s unclear whether Concord Management formally accepted the court summons related to the case. Mueller’s prosecutors also revealed that they tried to deliver the summonses for Concord and IRA through the Russian government, without success.

“The [U.S.] government has attempted service of the summonses by delivering copies of them to the Office of the Prosecutor General of Russia, to be delivered to the defendants,” prosecutors wrote. “That office, however, declined to accept the summonses. The government has submitted service requests to the Russian government pursuant to a mutual legal assistance treaty. To the government’s knowledge, no further steps have been taken within Russia to effectuate service.”

Mueller’s team sent a copy of the formal summons to Dubelier and Seikaly and asked them to accept it on behalf of Concord Management, but Dubelier wrote back on Monday saying that the government’s attempt to serve the summons was defective under court rules. He did not elaborate.

The three companies named in the indictment are all reported to be controlled by a Russian businessman known as Russian President Vladimir Putin’s “chef,” Yevgeny Prigozhin. He’s also one of the 13 individuals criminally charged in the case.

In their request on Friday to put off the arraignment, prosecutors included the extensive demands for information that the lawyers for Concord Management have set forth since they stepped forward last month.

“Until the Court has an opportunity to determine if Concord was properly served, it would be inadvisable to conduct an initial appearance and arraignment at which important rights will be communicated and a plea entertained,” attorneys Jeannie Rhee, Rush Atkinson and Ryan Dickey wrote. “That is especially true in the context of this case, which involves a foreign corporate defendant, controlled by another, individual foreign defendant, that has already demanded production of sensitive intelligence gathering, national security, and foreign affairs information.”

The Mueller team proposed that both sides file briefs in the coming weeks on the issues of whether Concord has been properly served.

In a blunt response Saturday morning, Concord’s attorneys accused Mueller's team of ignoring the court’s rules and suggesting a special procedure for the Russian firm without any supporting legal authority.

“Defendant voluntarily appeared through counsel as provided for in [federal rules], and further intends to enter a plea of not guilty. Defendant has not sought a limited appearance nor has it moved to quash the summons. As such, the briefing sought by the Special Counsel’s motion is pettifoggery,” Dubelier and Seikaly wrote.

The Concord lawyers said Mueller’s attorneys were seeking “to usurp the scheduling authority of the Court” by waiting until Friday afternoon to try to delay a proceeding scheduled for next Wednesday. Dubelier and Seikaly complained that the special counsel’s office has not replied at all to Concord’s discovery requests. The lawyers, who work for Pittsburgh-based law firm Reed Smith, also signaled Concord intends to assert its speedy trial rights, putting more pressure on the special counsel’s office to turn over records related to the case.

Friedrich, a Trump appointee based in Washington, sided with Concord and said the arraignment will proceed as scheduled Wednesday afternoon.

The indictment, obtained by Mueller but announced by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, accused the defendants of mounting an “information warfare” operation in connection with the 2016 election.

The IRA, long suspected of ties to the Kremlin, allegedly used social media, email and other means to manipulate “unwitting” American citizens and Trump campaign officials into protests, demonstrations and the recirculation of media messages. Most of the interventions were intended to benefit Trump or demean his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton, the indictment alleged.

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So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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