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Would these people vote for Trump now?

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Did they vote for Trump in the primary?

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And be sure to ask them what actions in Trump's first year have kept them as defenders of Trump's vision for America. #MAGA

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Do these Trump voters think Mueller is on a witch-hunt?

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Ask about the FBI. Ask them to explain exactly why they think that. Don't give your reasons placed in their mouths, Signym.

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And for the record, I got what I expected from Trump, without voting for the GOP. It is a multi-million dollar tax cut for me.

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Well, the reason why I find SECOND so funny is because of the people that I personally know who voted for Trump:

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My hubby, a multi-talented researcher working at a major university
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An American-born son of Mexican immigrants; a colleague of my husband's who is a multi-talented technical support guy, professional musician and occasional triathlete

His coworker's brother, a hardworking HVAC guy, his coworker's older sister (teacher) and younger sister (housewife)

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lol. Morning Joe. The one's who's job it is to tell us what to think.

I envy you T. It must be kind of nice to never have to think for yourself and just let them do all the thinking for you.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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lol. Morning Joe. The one's who's job it is to tell us what to think.

I envy you T. It must be kind of nice to never have to think for yourself and just let them do all the thinking for you.

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PPHWWAAAAAHHHHH!!!!

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There went my morning coffee!

Thanks SIX! That made my day start out good!

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So, I hope that your delusion about fat. lazy, stupid, diabetic "Americans" being Trump voters has been somewhat punctured by reality.

Instead of (us usual) attacking your straw-man of a Trump voter (maybe I could call it a blubber-man) why don't you come up with some REAL criticisms of Trump. Yanno, important ones. Not how many hamburgers he eats, or that he's a orange-tinted white guy supported by other orange-tinted white guys, 'cause that's about on the level of people attacking Obama as a watermelon-eating monkey, and characterizing his voters as welfare-collecting thugs.

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So, I hope that your delusion about fat. lazy, stupid, diabetic "Americans" being Trump voters has been somewhat punctured by reality.

Instead of (us usual) attacking your straw-man of a Trump voter (maybe I could call it a blubber-man) why don't you come up with some REAL criticisms of Trump. Yanno, important ones. Not how many hamburgers he eats, or that he's a orange-tinted white guy supported by other orange-tinted white guys, 'cause that's about on the level of people attacking Obama as a watermelon-eating monkey, and characterizing his voters as welfare-collecting thugs.

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My brother-in-law is a Republican and he does call Obama a watermelon-eating monkey and all the other highly imaginative things Republicans say. He has got the Hillary routine perfected, too. He has a college degree, but he is an ignoramus. As for his brothers, father, mother, all Republicans and they are all dead and there is a powerful amount of evidence it is their own damn fault. He has been bitter and unemployed for years and he would be every bit as dead as his blood relatives if it wasn't for my sister. For example, she got him to stop riding a motorcycle (a Harley #MAGA) after a crash that put him in hospital by threatening him: "Ride again and you will die." Reasoning does not work with him. She is my sister and it was a death threat against her own idiotic husband, who has every book Rush Limbaugh wrote. The kind of people who vote Republican are fucking stupid about their lives, unless they are rich, and then it is smart to vote for the GOP.

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It is not funny. It's stupid. I'm getting angry at Republican stupidity that is unrelated to politics. My fool of a brother-in-law, the Republican, has a Republican son. My nephew, college educated, was fired for Xmas. It involved his bankruptcy and the company credit card. What an idiot. He got another job. He was fired this month. It involved looking at porn during a business dinner. He got the #MeToo treatment for showing it to the lady seated next to him. He is an idiot. He lost the company car because of the first firing and I bought him a GMC Envoy in February. My dear, stupid nephew goes on and on about how the Deep State and the MSM and Mueller are running a witch hunt against Trump. That's not smart when your uncle is me. But will he stop? No. He is stupid. He is Republican. #MAGA.

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It is not funny. It's stupid. I'm getting angry at Republican stupidity that is unrelated to politics. My fool of a brother-in-law, the Republican, has a Republican son. My nephew, college educated, was fired for Xmas. It involved his bankruptcy and the company credit card. What an idiot. He got another job. He was fired this month. It involved looking at porn during a business dinner. He got the #MeToo treatment for showing it to the lady seated next to him. He is an idiot. He lost the company car because of the first firing and I bought him a GMC Envoy in February. My dear, stupid nephew goes on and on about how the Deep State and the MSM and Mueller are running a witch hunt against Trump. That's not smart when your uncle is me. But will he stop? No. He is stupid. He is Republican. #MAGA.

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I keep telling some here that they are stupid. Jack, rappy to name two. It changes nothing but needs to be done. They are trolls second. They are nothing but trolls. In thread after thread they are being labeled as such now. That's a victory.

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Jack, just recently you admitted to an up bringing that left you hateful and mistrusting of the police and judicial system in this country. I forget what else. Yet you can't put two and two together and see why you can't see past that. Like how that affects your perceptions.

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Isn't it funny second they want Hillary investigated for colluding with the Russians but not Trump.- THUGR

It is not funny. It's stupid. I'm getting angry at Republican stupidity that is unrelated to politics. My fool of a brother-in-law, the Republican, has a Republican son. My nephew, college educated, was fired for Xmas. It involved his bankruptcy and the company credit card. What an idiot. He got another job. He was fired this month. It involved looking at porn during a business dinner. He got the #MeToo treatment for showing it to the lady seated next to him. He is an idiot. He lost the company car because of the first firing and I bought him a GMC Envoy in February. My dear, stupid nephew goes on and on about how the Deep State and the MSM and Mueller are running a witch hunt against Trump. That's not smart when your uncle is me. But will he stop? No. He is stupid. He is Republican. #MAGA. SECOND

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Isn't it funny second they want Hillary investigated for colluding with the Russians but not Trump.- THUGR

It is not funny. It's stupid. I'm getting angry at Republican stupidity that is unrelated to politics. My fool of a brother-in-law, the Republican, has a Republican son. My nephew, college educated, was fired for Xmas. It involved his bankruptcy and the company credit card. What an idiot. He got another job. He was fired this month. It involved looking at porn during a business dinner. He got the #MeToo treatment for showing it to the lady seated next to him. He is an idiot. He lost the company car because of the first firing and I bought him a GMC Envoy in February. My dear, stupid nephew goes on and on about how the Deep State and the MSM and Mueller are running a witch hunt against Trump. That's not smart when your uncle is me. But will he stop? No. He is stupid. He is Republican. #MAGA. SECOND

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SECOND, I'm so very sorry for you that your nephew is so stupid. It's a tragedy when ANYone doesn't seem to learn from experience, but even more painful when it is somebody close to you ... possibly even genetically part of the same stock. OUCH! That says a lot about "your" side of the family! Or not! Maybe all of the "bad genes" come from the other family? Who's to say??? :shrug:

But don't you think that it says something about YOUR anger issue, when you leapfrog from "your nephew" to "Republicans" to "all Americans"??? I mean, isn't that generalizing a bit too far?? Just like THUGR likes to accuse everyone who disagrees with him as being a "Russian troll"? Seems excessively broad-brush to me!

Since I just gave you quite a number of examples of A LOT OF voters who don't fit your anti-GOP screed, don't you suppose that maybe you should recalibrate your anger?

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Hence the continued unrest throughout the planet, that would keep the world in their greedy little hands. You know, control of the world's markets and thereby allowing for the manipulation of the people of the world. Money, the control of it, being at the core of their agenda.

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My sister has three children. The one that was filled with anxiety since he was a fussy little baby, my eldest nephew the Republican, is the nephew that over-reacts to all problems, which causes a cascade of secondary problems, exactly as his father, the Republican, over-reacts .... My nephew's mother, my older sister, is never phased by any problems, similar to her other children, who are not Republicans.

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I have another question. Isn't Russia, or actually the oligarchs, running things as part of the Deep State? I would think that the Deep State would want chaos and confusion to reign supreme so that their agenda would be advanced to their benefit.
Hence the continued unrest throughout the planet, that would keep the world in their greedy little hands. You know, control of the world's markets and thereby allowing for the manipulation of the people of the world. Money, the control of it, being at the core of their agenda.

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It caused me to stop and think .... which part of any deep state/oligarchy wants chaos and unrest?

It seems to me that if you make money in almost any economic activity .... the manufacturing and sale of goods ....chaos and unrest aren't really to your benefit. IF there is internal unrest (riots, civil war) or war between nations, then all sorts of facilities and services are at risk. Just look at Syria or even Ukraine as examples ... production facilities are bombed, roads become impassible, supply-chains are interrupted. Or use Apple as an example: If "actions" were to be taken against China, shipping thru the South China sea might be halted, contracts abrogated, etc. Just thinking sort of broad-brush, civilian economic activity and trade is throttled under conditions of unrest or war.

OTOH, there are oligarchs for whom chaos, civil war, unrest, and war represent a good money-making opportunity, and those are

1) The military-industrial complex i.e. non-civilian production, and non-civilian services such as contracted fighters, provisioners etc

2) Financial speculators such as those who speculate on the price of commodities, currencies etc ... they can make money whether the value of ANYthing goes up or down (this would be hedge funds investing in derivatives for example). Static conditions, in which prices remain relatively constant, don't represent speculative opportunity.

3) Lenders (banks) who will happily lend war-making money to any nation, even if that nation borrows itself into oblivion, because they will either (a) get interest payments or (b) if nations fail to make payment, the lenders will take possession of resources (such as mines) or infrastructure (such as ports) at fire-sale prices

So, in general, I'd say that only a certain type of oligarch wants chaos, and those would be either directly involved in military production or services or financial speculation.

In general, what I think is that the various speculators and central banks which have impoverished vast parts of the world (Central and South America, Africa, much of the Mideast, Eastern/Southern Europe and South Asia) have either extracted as much as they can from their nations in thrall, or they've hit a brick wall with China and Russia; and they have turned their kind attentions to the USA. Because they really don't have OUR national interests at heart, they are only loyal to making money, and don't mind sending us on a ruinous course as long as they get their percentage.

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So what you are stating is that chaos and unrest DOES NOT benefit Russia or China. They prefer stable governments, ones that they could take advantage of. They would prefer a certain type of confusion and unrest, and not full out war. Such as in Syria. Then why back Syria and the genocide that takes place there? And isn't that "certain type of unrest" still part and parcel of the Deep State, as you put it?

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So what you are stating is that chaos and unrest DOES NOT benefit Russia or China. They prefer stable governments, ones that they could take advantage of. They would prefer a certain type of confusion and unrest, and not full out war. Such as in Syria. Then why back Syria and the genocide that takes place there? And isn't that "certain type of unrest" still part and parcel of the Deep State, as you put it?

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It's complicated. Syria (you may not know) actually elected Assad. Yes, they have elections there. Now, people have been complaining of "strongman" tactics by the Assad government, and there WAS a genuine 'human rights' movement in Syria, but it was taken over by the Saudis, Qataris, Turks, and the USA CIA in an effort to oust Assad by any means possible. The Saudis, etc. chose to support (Sunni, takfiri) jihadists who are just like head-lopping/ burning-alive/ drowning jihadists everywhere. They came from everywhere: Tunisia, Iraq, Chechnya, Indonesia etc to take Syria apart and build the first real jihadist state. However, the future for non-Sunni, non-takfiri minorities in Syria - the Shias, Alawites, Druze, Orthodox and "regular" Christians, Yazidis, ethnic Armenians and Turkmen etc ... anyone not a takfiri Sunni Arab - was extremely bleak and meant either "convert or die" or "provide sex or die" or sometimes just "die".

There are reports that the jihadist fighters in Raqqa- which was the unofficial capital of ISIS in Syria before Syria, Iran and Russia turned things sour for them - were paid in Saudi riyals and pumped up with Captagon (amphetamine) supplied by Saudi Arabia.

SO, altho the "movement" may have started out authentic, it rapidly evolved into a proxy war, where the CIA (and USA media) constantly called the head-lopping jihadists "rebels" and supplied them with weapons, intel, and training.

RUSSIA, IRAN, AND HEZBOLLAH WERE INVITED IN BY THE OFFICIALLY-RECOGNIZED GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA, WHICH THE USA, GULF STATES, AND TURKEY WERE INTENT ON DESTROYING VIA THEIR JIHADIST PROXIES. So THERE'S the source of your instability, just like the western-sourced instability in Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, and Sudan.

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Sigs, you're right.....it is complicated. It's an enormous game of chess and we're the pawns in all of this.

All I know is that Putin is making a lot of moves to keep his seat at the chess board. The more I think about it, the more I feel that this is a 3-D game of chess.
Although I'm not quite sure who the other players are, I believe that there is a struggle between the international and national Deep State. What the end game is, I don't know. But one thing's certain, Putin is in the middle pulling strings. He has his man in the White House; his man in Syria.

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When it comes to Trump and Putin specifically, the Steele dossier opens up with these sentences, written in 2016: "Russian regime has been cultivating, supporting and assisting TRUMP for at least 5 years. Aim, endorsed by PUTIN, has been to encourage splits and divisions in western alliance." Basically, it attributes to Putin political espionage involving Trump since at least 2011, or even earlier.

Forget the general election for the moment.

Trump announced his candidacy Tuesday, June 16, 2015. There were 16 other candidates in the primary race. They were: John Kasich, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Carly Fiorina, Jeb Bush, Jim Gilmore, Chris Christie, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, Mike Huckabee, George Pataki, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, Scott Walker, and Rick Perry.

With the exception of Jim Gilmore, all of them were well known, with bona fides as populist (eg Christie, Perry), pro-business (eg Fiorina) and/ or Tea Party (eg Walker) candidates.

Trump's win of the primary race against a full field of well-known politicians was unforeseen, as was his win of the presidency.

The question is, how could Putin know to target Trump in 2011 or earlier to "create splits and divisions in the western alliance", because Trump would become a politician in 2015, would win the primary July 2016, and would win the presidency November 2016? The answer of course is that Putin couldn't know.

I believe Russia is in the habit of collecting information on important people who go to Russia, as a matter of course. But that means they ALSO have information on Hillary (and others). Hillary could be just as compromised, but we'll never know, since no one seems to care.

And only focusing on Trump and assuming everyone else is clean makes about just as much sense as only drug-testing the winners in a sport, and not testing all the losers as well. The thinking being that the losers couldn't have been doping because they lost. Which is pretty silly as a presumption.

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The Deep State was behind Hillary all the way. Comey was a non-swimmer in over his head.

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If the Deep State was backing Hillary, then why did she lose? You see, the way it works is: You rig the system in favor of your candidate, it's customary that the person being backed.....WINS!

So, that would mean that the Deep State is incompetent.


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Or SGG, it could mean the deep-state did win because their guy was Trump. If that's true then it also means sig kiki jack jsf and rappy also represent the deep-state.


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So, let's set aside the general election.....that means that our comrade Putin has dirt on every important figure that visits Russia. Granted. Then why hasn't he put his "dossier" on Hillary out there for the world to see?

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So again, let me ask this: Why is it that the Deep State cares more for Hillary than Trump?

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Why, if the Deep State was backing Hillary, did they lose?

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But you and Sigs say that I give the FSB or the International Deep State far too much credit.

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The Deep State was behind Hillary all the way. Comey was a non-swimmer in over his head.

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If the Deep State was backing Hillary, then why did she lose? You see, the way it works is: You rig the system in favor of your candidate, it's customary that the person being backed.....WINS!

So, that would mean that the Deep State is incompetent.


SGG

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Or SGG, it could mean the deep-state did win because their guy was Trump. If that's true then it also means sig kiki jack jsf and rappy also represent the deep-state.


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Sigs says there are 2 completely separate entities fighting over how to divy up the world. They are a national and international organization.

But Keeks says that it's a international organization. And that there goal is global dominannce in the finacial markets. Financial control of the markets over the masses.

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What I'm trying to understand is who exactly is the Deep State that these guys are so obsessed about. I want them to explain just who the players are; and what their agenda is.

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So far, I'm getting that Hillary is involved. So, are they Democrats?

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What I'm trying to understand is who exactly is the Deep State that these guys are so obsessed about. I want them to explain just who the players are; and what their agenda is.

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