Blood on their hands...? by captaincrunch

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by THGRRI:
It is very apparent by rappys response to the debate about gun laws that rappy still believes everyone is try to take away his guns. Therefore I want it on the record that I believe him to be ignorant of the facts concerning this topic.

In other words, he's a dummy...

Not everyone, which is a great relief. Just the idiots on the Left who have no gorram clue of what they speak when it comes to the issue of " gun control"

( Hint: The above is not an AR 15 )

@second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have.

It's just an object...

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 8:29 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

@second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have.

It's just an object...

AURaptor, imagine River holding a knife instead of a bent stick. Or better yet, imagine if Superman gathered all firearms and dropped them into the sun. I think knife stabbing deaths will NOT increase by 11,000 per year to compensate for the decrease in gun deaths. Americans are squeamish and there aren’t that many that would knife their victims in the style of The Operative. But the only way to find out what American murderers will actually do is to have fewer shootings and see if knifing increases to match decreased shootings.

Number of murder victims in the United States in 2016, by weapon
* marks guns

* 7,105 Handguns
* 3,077 Firearms, type not stated
1,604 Knives or cutting instruments
903 Other weapons or weapons not stated
656 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)
472 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
* 374 Rifles
* 262 Shotguns
* 186 Other guns
114 Narcotics
107 Fire
98 Strangulation
91 Asphyxiation
11 Poison
9 Drowning
1 Explosives

www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-
used/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:22 AM

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Over 1/2 the 'victims' are suicides. Might want to remember that when tossing those #'s around.

Still don't care. 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.

Want to save lives ? Ban abortions and cars , while you're at it. FAR more deaths w/ those than firearms.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:43 AM

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:53 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.

I asked you before what specifically/legally could they have done? I don't believe FLA - being the rabid NRA chicken sh*t state that it is - has any provisions for removing guns from even obvious psychos until after they use them. "Does that make sense to you?" That's why there was nothing done - see how that works? A > B > C > D...

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.

Fine. Cars aren't either and neither will the common sense laws we have on how to use them nor the registration process for using them, like we should have with guns. I'm guessing it's not legal to drive a 50 cal mounted Hummvee through the streets either, right? Pesky common sense laws! Growing up sucks!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chicago says " hi ! "

Great example of too many illegal guns, thanks!

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 9:59 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Over 1/2 the 'victims' are suicides. Might want to remember that when tossing those #'s around.

Want to save lives ? Ban abortions and cars , while you're at it. FAR more deaths w/ those than firearms.

AURaptor, you are wrong about 1/2 the victims being suicides, because the numbers were for only murder. www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-
used/

AURaptor, while you are at it, why not pass a law requiring the Federal Government to cure cancer, heart attack and stroke within the next 75 years? The Federally funded medical research effort would cost less than the $15 Trillion spent on nukes, missile-subs, missiles, and bombers over the previous 75 years and there be more to show for all the money spent. When was the last time Moscow was nuked? Never. When was the last time 1,000 Americans died of a cancer? Last week. That's what I mean by having something to show for all the money spent.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Still don't care. 2nd Amendment isn't going anywhere.

The actual reason for the 2nd Amendment vanished when slavery vanished. To make a long story short, some famous slave-owning Southerners from the history books demanded a 2nd Amendment to prevent Northerners from freeing Southern slaves by taking away the guns of the Slave Patrols, also known as Militias.
www.truth-out.org/news/item/13890-the-second-amendment-was-ratified-to
-preserve-slavery

The Second Amendment has an odd word choice, but for a very practical reason for the time it was passed: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." It says "State" instead of "United States"or "Country" (the framers knew the difference -- see the 10th Amendment "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." )

The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason and James Madison were totally clear on that, and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition'.

It's the answer to the question raised by the character played by Leonardo DiCaprio in Django Unchained when he asks, "Why don't they just rise up and kill the whites?" If the movie were real, it would have been a purely rhetorical question, because every southerner of the era knew the simple answer: Well regulated militias kept the slaves in chains.

If there was not a 2nd Amendment, the anti-slavery folks in the North could disband those southern militias. And, similarly, if the North were to invite into military service the slaves of the South, then they could be emancipated, which would collapse the institution of slavery, and the southern economic and social systems, altogether.

These two possibilities worried southerners like James Monroe, George Mason (who owned more than 300 slaves) and the southern Christian evangelical, Patrick Henry (who opposed slavery on principle, but also opposed freeing slaves).

Their main concern was that Article 1, Section 8 of the newly-proposed US Constitution, which gave the federal government the power to raise and supervise a militia, could also allow that federal militia to subsume their state militias and change them from slavery-enforcing institutions into something that could even, one day, free the slaves.

This was not an imagined threat. Famously, 12 years earlier, during the lead-up to the Revolutionary War, Lord Dunsmore offered freedom to slaves who could escape and join his forces. "Liberty to Slaves" was stitched onto their jacket pocket flaps. During the war, British General Henry Clinton extended the practice in 1779. Numerous freed slaves served in General Washington's army.

Thus, southern legislators and plantation owners lived not just in fear of their own slaves rebelling, but also in fear that their slaves could be emancipated through military service.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 12:11 PM

America loves a winner!

Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment

* was slavery and the potential for violence rebellion a consideration? Sure, that was the real world in which the founders lived. A system which existed long before they considered breaking away from the crown. It was unreasonable for them to consider solving every major problem they faced at once. Their main concern in forming a new nation was to separate itself from the old world, and to form a government which best protected the freedoms of its citizens.

I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 12:52 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump

How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH

"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.

Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.

On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
FYI in Dec 2015 Michael L. Funk successfully defended himself and others being held hostage (and signalled the owner to stay out of the hostage arena) by gunman Brian Flatoff, only to emerge from the harrowing incident and be shot dead by Police. This was at a Harley shop in Neenah, WI.
Currently the original gunman is starting his murder trial, representing himself after firing his first 10 lawyers.

On the other hand, I have not heard of a skyrocketing increase of crimes in Kennesaw, GA.
Perhaps the MSM is hiding this news from us.

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:01 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment

I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides.

Before the Bill of Rights was added, AURaptor, there was substantial opposition to the new Constitution because it moved the power to arm the state militias from the states to the federal government. This created a fear that the federal government, by neglecting the upkeep of the militia, could have overwhelming military force at its disposal through its power to maintain a standing army and navy, leading to a confrontation with the states, even a military takeover of a state. That is no Fairytale, AURaptor.

Technology moved on in the last 200 years, AURaptor, and the Federal government could take down a whole state, even if all the state's citizens had both an AR-15 and a black powder flintlock rifle to "defend freedom" against Washington DC. The 2nd Amendment, as it was written, does not give you the right to radar controlled anti-aircraft guns, which are the guns you'd need to take on the Federal Government in the 21st Century. Maybe James Monroe should have mentioned anti-aircraft weapons and shoulder launched Stinger missiles in the 2nd amendment for the defense of freedom?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Co
nstitution#Ratification_debates

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 1:17 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Pass all the laws you want, conduct as many studies as your money can fund, it doesn't matter 1 damn bit if law enforcement refuses, ( I suspect intentionally so ) to follow up and react to overt red flags like we had in Parkland, and other shootings.
I asked you before what specifically/legally could they have done? I don't believe FLA - being the rabid NRA chicken sh*t state that it is - has any provisions for removing guns from even obvious psychos until after they use them. "Does that make sense to you?" That's why there was nothing done - see how that works? A > B > C > D...

The Baker Act in Florida empowers 4 Categories of officials to remove weapons and/or hold people. Police are one of those. And the Community Activist Sheriff Israel did intentionally refuse to act, instead negotiating a "no arrest" contract with the school.

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Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Guns aren't going anywhere, as there'll never be a repeal of the 2nd Amendment.
Fine. Cars aren't either and neither will the common sense laws we have on how to use them nor the registration process for using them, like we should have with guns. I'm guessing it's not legal to drive a 50 cal mounted Hummvee through the streets either, right? Pesky common sense laws! Growing up sucks!
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Chicago says " hi ! "
Great example of too many illegal guns, thanks!

Great example of the strictest Gun Control Laws in the land generating "too many illegal guns" which you just confirmed, thanks. These same Laws are also what encourage the worst Murder Rate for many years running. But hey, they are only Black Lives, so that is why Obama, Emanual, BLM, and Democraps don't care, because they'll never vote anyhow.

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 2:10 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
@second - I'm not wrong. Guns haven't killed anyone. Those misusing them, illegally , have.

It's just an object...
AURaptor, imagine River holding a knife instead of a bent stick. Or better yet, imagine if Superman gathered all firearms and dropped them into the sun. I think knife stabbing deaths will NOT increase by 11,000 per year to compensate for the decrease in gun deaths. Americans are squeamish and there aren’t that many that would knife their victims in the style of The Operative. But the only way to find out what American murderers will actually do is to have fewer shootings and see if knifing increases to match decreased shootings.

Number of murder victims in the United States in 2016, by weapon
* marks guns

* 7,105 Handguns
* 3,077 Firearms, type not stated
1,604 Knives or cutting instruments
903 Other weapons or weapons not stated
656 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)
472 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
* 374 Rifles
* 262 Shotguns
* 186 Other guns
114 Narcotics
107 Fire
98 Strangulation
91 Asphyxiation
11 Poison
9 Drowning
1 Explosives

www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-
used/

Obama's FBI reported 17,250 Homicides in 2016. 765 in Chicago.

Other Stat reports:
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/fbi-releases-2016-report-crime-united-s
tates

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/table
s/expanded-homicide-data-table-4.xls

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/table
s/table-12

Florida seems to be missing from this one:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195331/number-of-murders-in-the-us
-by-state/

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-handful-of-cities-are-driving-2
016s-rise-in-murders/

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Saturday, March 3, 2018 4:43 PM

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Fairytale about southern slave owners & the 2nd Amendment

I'm not wrong on the # of gun deaths being 1/2 or more comprised of suicides.
Before the Bill of Rights was added, AURaptor, there was substantial opposition to the new Constitution because it moved the power to arm the state militias from the states to the federal government. This created a fear that the federal government, by neglecting the upkeep of the militia, could have overwhelming military force at its disposal through its power to maintain a standing army and navy, leading to a confrontation with the states, even a military takeover of a state. That is no Fairytale, AURaptor.

Non of that which I stated remotely mirrors what you just said. And repeating my name for effect doesn't in the least bit make your point any more valid.

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Technology moved on in the last 200 years, AURaptor, and the Federal government could take down a whole state, even if all the state's citizens had both an AR-15 and a black powder flintlock rifle to "defend freedom" against Washington DC. The 2nd Amendment, as it was written, does not give you the right to radar controlled anti-aircraft guns, which are the guns you'd need to take on the Federal Government in the 21st Century. Maybe James Monroe should have mentioned anti-aircraft weapons and shoulder launched Stinger missiles in the 2nd amendment for the defense of freedom?

Technology isn't the issue. Militias carry " weapons of war ", be it 1787 or 2018. THAT'S THE GORRAM POINT ! Not fer shootin' at squirrels or target practice at the range.

You attempt to swerve the topic of discussion to the patently absurd w/ your ' radar controlled AA gun ' nonsense. And the defense of the country comes from threats foreign AND domestic, not just " The Federal Gov't ". Though it's clear, the way many in D.C. are acting, it's in direct contrast to the needs and wants of many freedom loving Americans.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:59 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Technology isn't the issue. Militias carry " weapons of war ", be it 1787 or 2018. THAT'S THE GORRAM POINT ! Not fer shootin' at squirrels or target practice at the range.

You attempt to swerve the topic of discussion to the patently absurd w/ your ' radar controlled AA gun ' nonsense. And the defense of the country comes from threats foreign AND domestic, not just " The Federal Gov't ". Though it's clear, the way many in D.C. are acting, it's in direct contrast to the needs and wants of many freedom loving Americans.

I will swerve the discussion a little more with this declaration: Republicans are really comfortable about murdering people. That declaration seems a little extreme, doesn't it? Do I have a pile of dead bodies to justify that Republicans are comfortable with murder? Actually, all I have is a pile of words:

Why Does Sen. Lindsey Graham Think Killing Millions of Koreans Would Be “Worth It”?
https://theintercept.com/2018/03/06/why-do-u-s-politicians-think-killi
ng-millions-of-koreans-would-be-worth-it/

“All the damage that would come from a war [with North Korea] would be worth it in terms of long-term stability and national security,” Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said in an interview with CNN last week.

What would that “damage” look like? Whether nuclear or non-nuclear, multiple studies and surveys of experts suggest millions of innocent North Koreans, South Koreans, and Japanese could be killed in such a conflict, making the wars in Syria, Iraq, and Afghanistan look like minor skirmishes in comparison.

Top U.S. officials seem to agree. Listen to Defense Secretary James Mattis, speaking to CBS News in May 2017: “A conflict in North Korea … would be probably the worst kind of fighting in most people’s lifetimes.”

Listen to Gen. Joseph Dunford, the chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, speaking at the Aspen Security Forum in July 2017: “It would be a loss of life unlike any we have experienced in our lifetimes. Anyone who has been alive since World War II has never seen the loss of life that could occur if there’s a conflict on the Korean peninsula.”

Yet Graham, a former Air Force colonel and self-styled GOP “moderate,” thinks this unprecedented “loss of life” — millions of innocent men, women, and children shot, bombed, burned, starved, and gassed to death — would be “worth it.”

*****

It is easy to understand why Republicans are not worried about a few thousand Americans being murdered per year with guns. Republicans are not worried about murdering Koreans by the millions, which makes a few thousand Americans shot dead by guns per year seem like it is no big deal.

Luckily, the Koreans are not dead, yet. It is only a potential pile of dead bodies. The article does mention that Democrats have their own very real pile of dead bodies that they were comfortable about killing, which means there are a few blood-thirsty Democrats worse than the typical Republican. It is nothing to be proud of.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:25 PM

Florida lawmakers pass new gun laws after Parkland shooting

http://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhle/watch/florida-lawmakers-pass-new-
gun-laws-after-parkland-shooting-1180270659856

Hey rappy, oops.

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Thursday, March 8, 2018 7:34 PM

That's not really gun laws man... and it's not really something to celebrate.

Around $60 million of that $400 million is going to go to psych evaluations and firearms training for part time teachers and coaches. It also allows ROTCs to handle firearms inside of schools. For some reason, the only full time teachers that will be able to carry firearms are those with previous military service. These individuals aren't being forced to carry a firearm. It is an opt-in program at every level.

You should actually read where that $400 million is going to go.

This is not something to celebrate from where I stand.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 9, 2018 3:39 PM

Senate bill to toughen gun background checks now filibuster-proof

March 9 (UPI) -- A bipartisan Senate bill to toughen background checks for gun purchases has enough support to bypass a potential filibuster, Texas Sen. John Cornyn said Friday.

Cornyn's office said six more Democratic senators have signed on as co-sponsors, bringing the total to 62 -- over the threshold avert a filibuster.

The bill, called the Fix NICS Act, improves the National Instant Background Check System and ensures that authorities report all criminal records to a central database.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/03/09/Senate-bill-to-toughen-gun-
background-checks-now-filibuster-proof/2351520614628/

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Friday, March 9, 2018 3:40 PM

The Veterans Home in Yountville, California is on lockdown after reports of shots fired and a hostage situation. NBC's Katy Tur and Miguel Almaguer report.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/report-shots-fired-at-veterans-home-i
n-california-1181847619601

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Friday, March 9, 2018 3:57 PM

I remember the good old days when it was me and the Democrats fighting against GWB and the Patriot Act and Central Databases and the like.

Funny how easily a decade can change everything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 5:49 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
I want this stitched onto a nice throw pillow.
Stitch this: “I like taking the guns early. Take the guns first, go through due process second.” -Trump

How 'bout you put this on a t-shirt:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/he-disarmed-possible-church-shoot
er-then-police-arrived-shot-him-n851816?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

He disarmed a possible church shooter — then the police arrived and shot him
by TIM STELLOH

"Tony Garces was still reeling from his injuries on Tuesday, nearly two weeks after he disarmed a possible church shooter in Amarillo, Texas — and was then shot by police.

Speaking to NBC News by phone from his hospital room at Heart Hospital of Northwest Texas, Garces, 54, said that he was admitted to the emergency room on Monday with a blood clot in his lung.

On the morning of Feb. 14 — the same day as the Florida school shooting that killed 17 kids and teachers — Garces wrestled a handgun away from a man who had entered the chapel at Faith City Mission and threatened to hold church attendees hostage."
FYI in Dec 2015 Michael L. Funk successfully defended himself and others being held hostage (and signalled the owner to stay out of the hostage arena) by gunman Brian Flatoff, only to emerge from the harrowing incident and be shot dead by Police. This was at a Harley shop in Neenah, WI.
Currently the original gunman is starting his murder trial, representing himself after firing his first 10 lawyers.

Flatoff was convicted of 14 counts.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 6:53 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

In Move That Surprises No One, Trump Caves In to NRA

This is such a shocker:

The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system, but it backed off President Trump’s earlier call to raise the minimum age to purchase some guns to 21 years old from 18 years old.

….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

….The White House plan released Sunday does not address the minimum age for gun purchases. Pressed by reporters about the apparent backtracking, a senior administration official said the age issue was “a state-based discussion right now” and would be explored by DeVos’s commission.

Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/white-house-vows-to-help-arm-teachers-
and-backs-off-raising-age-for-buying-guns/2018/03/11/14da0c8e-253a-11e8-bc72-077aa4dab9ef_story.html

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Monday, March 12, 2018 7:22 AM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by second:
In Move That Surprises No One, Trump Caves In to NRA

This is such a shocker:

The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system, but it backed off President Trump’s earlier call to raise the minimum age to purchase some guns to 21 years old from 18 years old.

….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

….The White House plan released Sunday does not address the minimum age for gun purchases. Pressed by reporters about the apparent backtracking, a senior administration official said the age issue was “a state-based discussion right now” and would be explored by DeVos’s commission.

Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?

Yep - like a swiss watch. That's what a $30 million NRA contribution will get you.
Time to show we can make sensible changes without Trump - obviously we can't look to him for anything but sound bites and tweets.

https://momsdemandaction.org

https://everytown.org/throwthemout/

Again, I suggest listening to Preet Baharara's podcast, the one with Shannon Watts (I've listened to 3 so far - all good - "Sanity for the Masses" I'd call it).

The Red Flag law is simple common sense and Watts & Co. are working state by state to have it become part of each state's sensible gun laws.

http://wapo.st/2p7BG1P

"SINCE LAST month’s high school massacre in Parkland, Fla., attention has focused on lapses by the FBI, which failed to act on tips that the alleged shooter, Nikolas Cruz, posed an imminent danger. It’s also the case that neighbors, teachers, classmates, acquaintances and local authorities were aware that Mr. Cruz was armed and potentially dangerous, a fact that President Trump noted the day after the killing spree. “Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!” he tweeted.

What the president failed to mention is that state law in Florida, as in all but a handful of states, provides no legal procedure that would have allowed people close to Mr. Cruz, or even law enforcement, to ask a court to order the immediate confiscation of his weapons — even if they presented alarming evidence. As Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel told the Miami Herald, “We can’t arrest for something a person is thinking about.”

In fact, whether or not Congress adds muscle to gun laws — and it should, by banning military-style weapons, enacting universal background checks and raising the minimum age of firearms purchase to 21 — states need not be impotent in the face of credible threats. Five states — California, Connecticut, Indiana, Washington and Oregon — have enacted “red-flag” laws that empower relatives and close friends, as well as law enforcement officers, to ask judges to issue “gun violence restraining orders.” Had such a recourse been available in Florida, it’s possible that the Parkland rampage could have been averted."

Of course, raising the age of legal purchase for all guns from 18 to 21 would be huge (25 even better).

"People under 25 are responsible for a disproportionate amount of America’s gun violence. According to data collected by the FBI, nearly 50 percent of all gun homicides are committed by people younger than 25. Most of those perpetrators are 18 to 24."

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Monday, March 12, 2018 8:32 AM

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In Move That Surprises No One,

The White House on Sunday vowed to help provide “rigorous firearms training” to some schoolteachers and formally endorsed a bill to tighten the federal background checks system,

….The Trump plan does not include substantial changes to gun laws….Rather, the president is establishing a Federal Commission on School Safety, to be chaired by Education Secretary Betsy DeVos.

Who could have guessed that Trump would cave in to the NRA after all his tough talk? That is, other than everyone?
Yep - like a swiss watch.

https://momsdemandaction.org

https://everytown.org/throwthemout/

http://wapo.st/2p7BG1P

"SINCE LAST month’s high school massacre in Parkland, Fla., attention has focused on lapses by the FBI, which failed to act on tips that the alleged shooter, Nikolas Cruz, posed an imminent danger. It’s also the case that neighbors, teachers, classmates, acquaintances and local authorities were aware that Mr. Cruz was armed and potentially dangerous, a fact that President Trump noted the day after the killing spree. “Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!” he tweeted.

What the president failed to mention is that state law in Florida, as in all but a handful of states, provides no legal procedure that would have allowed people close to Mr. Cruz, or even law enforcement, to ask a court to order the immediate confiscation of his weapons — even if they presented alarming evidence. As Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel told the Miami Herald, “We can’t arrest for something a person is thinking about.”

In fact, whether or not Congress adds muscle to gun laws — and it should, by banning military-style weapons, enacting universal background checks and raising the minimum age of firearms purchase to 21 — states need not be impotent in the face of credible threats. Five states — California, Connecticut, Indiana, Washington and Oregon — have enacted “red-flag” laws that empower relatives and close friends, as well as law enforcement officers, to ask judges to issue “gun violence restraining orders.” Had such a recourse been available in Florida, it’s possible that the Parkland rampage could have been averted."

Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 9:33 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.

Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?

How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?

Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 10:23 AM

REAVERFAN

How do you add images here? The "instructions" don't work.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 1:21 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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How do you add images here? The "instructions" don't work.

This might help: www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=53343
The title is "Testing of Posting Images here. :)"

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, March 12, 2018 1:55 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

This year looks to be about on track with 2015 and 2017.

Sadly, but expectedly, Trump is courting his base.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:40 PM

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This year looks to be about on track with 2015 and 2017.

Sadly, but expectedly, Trump is courting his base.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

Looks like Obama was highly successful in ramping that up. Was this Obama project called Fasterer and Furiouser?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:45 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?

How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?

Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?

So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else?
Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:50 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?

How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?

Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?
So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else?
Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?

I honestly have no clue what the hell you are talking about about 80% of the time, and I have no interest, patience or time to figure it out. Cheers.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 5:40 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are you lying again to Fans of Firefly? Or do you post only lies in links?
The Baker Act in Florida addresses these issues. Lying to us that it doesn't will not further your Fake cause.
Are you lying about me lying to Fans of Firefly, or posting only lies in links?

How about posting specifics - then I can address your concerns specifically.
A quick read of The Baker Act makes it look like it could have been used - so why wasn't it? Law enforcement negligence? It didn't meet all the criteria? It was for only 72 hours? He was already seeing a Dr.?

Btw - the Baker Act looks like a watered down Red Flag law, so it would be acceptable in Florida, right?
So, you posting lies is the Fault of Everybody Else?
Is the underlying concept of just being honest totally foreign to you?
I honestly have no clue what the hell you are talking about about 80% of the time, and I have no interest, patience or time to figure it out. Cheers.

Exhibit #523 of your response to reality impugning your delusions.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2018 10:37 AM

shooting is reported at a high school in St. Mary's County, Maryland, the sheriff's department says.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/news/reports-of-shots-fired-at-marylan
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Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:33 PM

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That's not really gun laws man... and it's not really something to celebrate.

Around $60 million of that $400 million is going to go to psych evaluations and firearms training for part time teachers and coaches. It also allows ROTCs to handle firearms inside of schools. For some reason, the only full time teachers that will be able to carry firearms are those with previous military service. These individuals aren't being forced to carry a firearm. It is an opt-in program at every level.

You should actually read where that $400 million is going to go.

This is not something to celebrate from where I stand.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Today in Maryland, teen Austin Rollins shot at others in Great Mills High School.

Why has this not been blasted throughout the day by MSM? What part does not fit the Libtard narrative?
Because it was stopped when School Resource Officer, Deputy Blaine Gaskill, engaged and shot Rollins. Rollins did not shoot anybody else, because he was too busy firing a shot at Deputy Gaskill.

What stops a bad guy with a gun? A good guy with a gun.

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Tuesday, March 20, 2018 11:59 PM

We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets?

We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.

It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:18 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets?

We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.

It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.

One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:26 AM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We spend a lot of time and money making "safe spaces" at colleges for grown adults who have been babied all of their lives from bullies, but we can't make school actual safe spaces from bullets?

We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.

It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.

One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.

That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.

I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 11:59 AM

... stay crunchy...

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If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.

Yup - JSF or some 14 year with a gun standing by the water cooler 'protecting you." That's a bright happy future, innit?

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 12:16 PM

This is my main problem with arming school teachers.

Adults today would not stand for having their management armed. Period. It would NEVER happen. But what about the kids?

It's bad enough that we already have armed guards in schools. The kids today will grow up and not really have a problem with armed guards all over their worksites since they were conditioned for it at a very young age. We're already seeing a slow transition to this being the case in the more sensitive areas of the workforce, and some not so sensitive. I've gone into a grocery store at night where an armed guard is on duty at night.

Now consider what happens when kids grow up and their teachers are all armed. Those kids are going to be conditioned to think it's normal for their "superiors" to have guns, and likely won't even bat an eye when they go to work and the memo comes that the management at their job is going to be armed. Hell... the weaker among them might even be clamoring for it.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 1:08 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.

It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.

One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.

I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I understand your Comprehension Fail.

Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals.
He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy.
His brother became Major General in National Guard.

One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished.

The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes.
Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers.
Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:27 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.

It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.

One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.

I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I understand your Comprehension Fail.

Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals.
My most read book by him is the non-fiction Marine Corps Story.
He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy.
His brother became Major General in National Guard.

One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished.

The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes.
Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers.
Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.

Yep. Instead of drug addled degenerate managers, I'll have jackboot thugs on the government payroll that tell me what to do with the threat of a bullet in the face if I don't agree with their management style.

Perfect solution.

I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with that when GWB or Trump were in control of the country. What about when Obama and Clinton are in control of the country and the wind is blowing the other way?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 2:39 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
We don't need guns in schools, period. We didn't need them in the 90's and we don't' need them now. We need to ask ourselves what is different about society today and how to fix it.

It's not right for kids to have to grow up in schools where they know their teachers are armed. That's fucked. Once that goes on for a while it won't be long before we end up having jobs where the management is armed. Grown ass adults trying to do their jobs and having to deal with management that is calling the shots under the threat of having a gun.
Well now. Having management being Veterans. That is something I haven't heard mentioned before. Could be a step to improve society, along the lines of Heinlein.

One part of the story also absent was how the School Resource Officer was not an Untrainable Teacher. 14-year-olds and younger can be trained to accurately shoot and handle a weapon, but Untrainable Teachers proclaim they cannot latch on to the learning curve of children.
That's fucking terrifying. The idea of going to work while your managers all have guns.

I can't tell if you're joking or not.

If you aren't, I'm finished with this conversation, because I'm speaking with a crazy person.

I'll admit, I'm not getting the Heinlein bit. I'm not all that familiar with his works. It sounds as if he was borderline Communist in his youth and was later considered a Conservative by many, although he considered himself Libertarian. His political views over the course of his life and writing career pretty much spanned the entire spectrum, so I don't get your reference.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I understand your Comprehension Fail.

Had not heard of Heinlein being a communist. Around 1935 he was an anti-Communist Democratic Activist. He described himself as Libertarian, or extreme Libertarian. Descriptions of him as Conservative are from Liberals.
He was involved in the early stages of Naval Aviation. He graduated the Naval Academy.
His brother became Major General in National Guard.

One tennent he used, including in Starship Troopers, was earned Citizenship. Citizenship was earned by serving in the military. So that might be where your comprehension fell apart. Only Citizens could vote, or carry weapons, and these Rights were cherished.

The other part is that you are looking at a small corner of the picture, instead of the whole tapestry, like you did with taxes.
Forget your interpretation of giving guns to all of the degenerate drug-addled idiots that you have known as managers.
Replace your prior managers with only people who have served, sacrificed years of their lives in a contract, are competent as nd capable of decision making. Not only would your employment experience have changed, but society would change as well.
Yep. Instead of drug addled degenerate managers, I'll have jackboot thugs on the government payroll that tell me what to do with the threat of a bullet in the face if I don't agree with their management style.

Perfect solution.

I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem with that when GWB or Trump were in control of the country. What about when Obama and Clinton are in control of the country and the wind is blowing the other way?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Quoted for preservation.

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Wednesday, March 21, 2018 4:41 PM

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Quoted for preservation.

Feel free to do as you wish. I've never gone and deleted or changed all of my drunken rants, so I don't know why you feel the need to quote me to preserve anything, or the need to tell me that you're doing so. More power to ya though.

I see there was no answer to the question though.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:00 PM

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I remember the good old days when it was me and the Democrats fighting against GWB and the Patriot Act and Central Databases and the like.

Funny how easily a decade can change everything.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You might be confused. That was Hilliary illegally compiling a database of legal and lawful firearm owners. Well before Bush43 stopped her.

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Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:56 PM