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Friday, March 9, 2018 2:21 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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https://www.wired.com/story/reddit-russian-propaganda/

OF ALL OF the tech platforms that Russian trolls infiltrated during the run-up to the 2016 election in the United States, Reddit has been among the least forthcoming. While Facebook, Twitter, and Google have reluctantly testified before Congress and published frequent—if often incomplete—blog posts about the way Russia’s Internet Research Agency abused their services, Reddit CEO Steve Huffman didn't fully fess up about the hundreds of Russian troll accounts the company deleted until just this week, following a Daily Beast investigation that shed new light on Reddit's exposure to Russian propaganda. Even now, a source close to the Senate Intelligence Committee tells WIRED that Reddit has yet to provide the committee with any documentation.

But traces of Russian trolls activity remain on Reddit, providing some hints of their strategy on that platform without the company's help. Columbia University researcher Jonathan Albright has found more than a thousand posts submitted by a small coterie of accounts between the spring and fall of 2016 linking back to phony websites created by the IRA. These posts were still live on Reddit as of Friday morning.

'Reddit is a reaction center of the ecosystem.'
JONATHAN ALBRIGHT, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
Uploaded at a frenetic pace during 2016, the posts link predominantly to the websites DoNotShoot.US and BlackMattersUS.com, both of which are still active and were created by the IRA not only to spread divisive propaganda, but to collect personally identifying information about American citizens who visited the sites. (WIRED doesn't suggest visiting these sites, which still actively use ad trackers.) Several Reddit accounts that submitted the bulk of these links—in some cases at a rate of 25 posts in a single hour—have since been deactivated, presumably as part of Reddit's previously announced purge. Two were deactivated only after WIRED asked Reddit about them Thursday. But the articles they posted—some of which garnered hundreds of upvotes and dozens of comments—remain.

WIRED asked Reddit about these suspicious accounts, why the links remain live, whether Reddit has alerted users who interacted with these accounts or shared these links, and why the company hasn't provided documentation to the Senate Intelligence Committee. In response, Reddit spokesperson Anna Soellner said, "At this time I will need to refer you to Steve's blog post which goes into some detail. Again, we continue to investigate." Huffman's blog post does not provide any answers to those questions. (Advance Publications, which owns WIRED publisher Condé Nast, is a Reddit shareholder).

The Network
Of the top 452 posts that link out to DoNotShoot.us, about 440 were uploaded by just five accounts, including three that were already deactivated when WIRED began investigating: Kevin_Milner, Peter_Hurst, and King_Andersons. Some of the accounts that shared hundreds of links to DoNotShoot.us, including Maineylops and Maxwel_Terry—the two that Reddit deactivated following WIRED's inquiry—had been dormant since 2016.

This same network of accounts was also responsible for sharing the bulk of the top 661 Reddit posts that linked out to BlackMattersUS.com. Several of them were created in the spring of 2016, and have not posted anything in nearly two years. This timing aligns closely with the timeline special counsel Robert Mueller laid out in his indictment of Internet Research Agency trolls, which notes that the Agency began placing election-related ads on social media sites by around April 2016.

The articles these Reddit accounts posted deal largely with police brutality and systemic racism in America, and were submitted strategically to subreddits like r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut and r/copwatch. They included headlines like “Most Cleveland Cops Won’t Be Wearing Body Cams During RNC” and “Police officer is torturing an 8 year-old boy while he is crying in agony.” That post received 332 upvotes and 65 comments. Some links also appeared on anti-Hillary Clinton subreddits like r/HillaryForPrison. One post that received nearly 300 upvotes read, “‘We Won’t Vote For Hillary,’ BLM Protesters Chant.”

The most popular articles posted by these accounts racked up dozens of comments and hundreds of upvotes, which are Redditors' way of showing approval for stories. In rare cases, the suspicious accounts would leave comments under the posts in awkward English. Kevin_Milner left this comment on a post he uploaded with the headline, “James Comey, FBI Director, claims that the spike in crimes is a result of cops being afraid to do their jobs.”

"Just imagine: somebody does something correct and very useful for society," Kevin_Milner wrote. "Of course he will not mind cameras. Seems, somebody is afraid that his misconducts gonna become public domain."


REDDIT
Peter_Hurst left the following comment on a post with 139 upvotes that he uploaded called, “Cops slam a blind man to the ground.”

"The description of a dangerous suspect? May this cop thought that this black male is an agent of enemy intelligence disguised as a disabled person? Modern police may blindly follow the instructions. Human sense is not for them."


REDDIT
The accounts shared plenty of real news articles, documenting injustices that legitimate news outlets also reported. But rather than linking, for instance, to the New York Daily News article about a woman who was allegedly raped by a police officer, the accounts linked directly to the Agency’s own websites, which repurposed the news as their own. These sites contained the kind of ad-tracking technology commercial marketers use to follow people who have visited their websites around the internet. Instead of more effectively selling visitors a new pair of boots, though, the objective was to feed their information to a Russia propaganda group. Some of the Agency’s websites also prompted visitors to subscribe or donate using their personally identifying information.

In other words, these accounts capitalized on other people’s pain—and on the rage and empathy of Reddit users—to help subvert the democratic process.

Exhibit A: Kevin_Milner
Though these accounts have now been deactivated, both Archive.org and Albright have retained a few snapshots of what they posted on a daily basis. The account Kevin_Milner paints a particularly illustrative picture of the presumed Russian trolls’ strategy on Reddit.

On August 8, 2016, for instance, Kevin_Milner posted 25 articles to Reddit in the span of an hour. The account posted a BlackMattersUs.com article entitled “Are The Clintons Playing Their Usual Election Tricks On Blacks?” to the subreddits r/HillaryforPrison, r/Conservative, and r/Republican.

Not all of the links directed to IRA websites. During that hour, Kevin_Milner also submitted two other posts to r/HillaryforPrison. One was a 2013 article in The New York Times about Clinton being discharged from the hospital after a blood clot. The other was a Washington Post piece with the headline, “As senator, Clinton promised 200,000 jobs in Upstate New York. Her efforts fell flat.”

The posts weren’t all inflammatory, either. Many of Kevin_Milner's posts and comments seemed intended to ingratiate himself with Redditors. In July 2016, the account posted an article to r/Atlanta about Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter’s 70th wedding anniversary. In response to a comment that said “God bless you Jimmy and Rosalynn!” Kevin_Milner wrote simply, “From your lips to God’s ears.”

REDDIT
This strategy yielded Kevin_Milner nearly 28,000 so-called Link Karma—which equates to the number of upvotes a user receives—in just three months. Some subreddits require posters to have a minimum karma score. Albright notes that Kevin_Milner's score was unusually high for such a short period of time.

The pseudonym Kevin_Milner also popped up in a 2016 investigation by the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, which found that Russian agents were using the Obama administration’s We the People petition tool to push for a pro-Kremlin agenda.

The most popular articles posted by these accounts racked up dozens of comments and hundreds of upvotes.
One petition in particular called for an investigation into alleged payments from a Russian businessman to President Obama. The petition linked to a website called Scitechnation.com. That website, which features the same web design as BlackMattersUS.com, published an article about the supposed payments. As OCCRP noted in its report, Kevin_Milner went on to post that article on Reddit 15 times with the headline, “Obama was sponsored by Russian opposition.”

OCCRP reporters contacted Kevin_Milner to ask him how he found Scitechnation.com in the first place. The owner of the account replied: “To tell the truth, I do not remember how exactly I did it. I make lots of posts every day. But news about Obama and Russians seemed funny to me.”

Milner also told OCCRP he was being paid, but declined to name the person who paid him. “I will be honest with you; I've got a task on freelance. I had to make 15 posts with that link...There was a customer, I don't have any personal information, there was a nickname. Who gives your own real info for similar cases? Nobody.”

Whoever Kevin_Milner was, it now seems apparent that he (or she) was not actually who he claimed. It also seems clear that this account didn't act alone. Reddit hasn’t come close to purging Russian troll content or accounts from its site. Some accounts that exhibited much the same behavior as Kevin_Milner remained live, though dormant, as recently as this week. Meanwhile, unwitting Redditors could still find and share the propaganda content, which was still being uploaded as recently as eight months ago. Reddit would not comment on whether it's made any effort to inform the ones who already have.

Albright, for one, finds Reddit's response lackluster. As other tech companies have spent hours testifying before Congress, Reddit has managed to fly largely under the radar. And yet the IRA seems to have created a densely connected network of accounts and websites on the platform. In some cases, for instance, the very content that the likely trolls link to on Reddit has already been wiped from sites like YouTube. The more these companies share what they've found with each other—and with the public—the better prepared they'll be to protect their audiences from whatever comes next.

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Friday, March 9, 2018 2:31 PM

THGRRI


Good post G. I am quoting from your post to give a shout out to the Daily Beast for uncovering this.

"Reddit CEO Steve Huffman didn't fully fess up about the hundreds of Russian troll accounts the company deleted until just this week, following a Daily Beast investigation."


T

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 5:00 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


OOOOOOOOOOOooooooohhh. SCARY. Publications going off the government script.

Time for the censors to crack the whip and protect ' FREEDOM '.

/sarcasm



So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:35 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
OOOOOOOOOOOooooooohhh. SCARY. Publications going off the government script.

Time for the censors to crack the whip and protect ' FREEDOM '.

/sarcasm
Yeah, what's with these intellectual lightweights, anyway? Since they can't think their way out of a paper bag, they need gubmint to protect them from Bad Thoughts?

Hey, THUGR & GSTRING: You're so paranoid about bullshit that you're shooting yourselves in the foot, being pro-censorship and anti-freedom and all. But I have the solution to all of your confusion, one which will make you far more resistant to propaganda, no matter WHICH direction it's coming from: Answer this question: What are Americans' interests, and how can they be protected best?.

It's a complex question! Are our interests Constitutional? Economic? Social? Individual? Communal? Generational? And what do we mean by "our" and "us" anyway? Is our identity world-spanning, or national? .... If you're willing to give it honest thought, you might not come to an answer for years.

And you might even modify your answer as you go thru life. But IF you can figure out for yourselves which way you think we should be going, that will give you a compass for your thoughts, and you'll be a lot less likely to be turned around by spin doctors.

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 4:28 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
OOOOOOOOOOOooooooohhh. SCARY. Publications going off the government script.

Time for the censors to crack the whip and protect ' FREEDOM '.

/sarcasm




Are you pro Russian Troll accounts? < / honest > ?

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 7:43 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


I'm for freedom. What about you?

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Saturday, March 10, 2018 8:51 PM

WISHIMAY


Sorry, there is no "freedom of other governments to subvert our own."


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Saturday, March 10, 2018 9:24 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


So far, there hasn't been any proof either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 6:19 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Sorry, there is no "freedom of other governments to subvert our own."- TWTICHY
As far as I can tell, the biggest subverter of our government is ... our government! The 2000 and 2004 election hacking, which swung the result? Ours. The secret surveillance of anybody and everybody? Ours. The destruction of habeas corpus? Ours. The over-reliance of politics on money, and the taking of American politics by the elite? Ours.

You've been so distracted by what's been going on Out There that you failed to notice what happened Right Here. Our democracy is in trouble, TWITCHY, but not because of Russia (!!!).





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Sunday, March 11, 2018 9:56 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm for freedom.


Ha! Good one - *snort* - that is easily, observably, verifiably a lie.

But anyway... are you pro Russian Trolls?

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 11:19 AM

THGRRI


Answer G's question kiki. Will you finally admit to, and do you support what Russia is doing? Let's extend an invitation to sig to answer this question as well.

How about you rappy. Do you agree with the many opinions posted by sig and kiki concerning Russia? Do you consider them pro Russian?

T

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 11:23 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


One can be against the idea of somebody doing something without resorting to censorship and absolute control over everybody else to keep it from happening.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
One can be against the idea of somebody doing something without resorting to censorship and absolute control over everybody else to keep it from happening.

Do Right, Be Right. :)- SIX


Exactly. Somehow, tho, that seems to be beyond THUGR's and GSTRING's imagination.

Quote:
Answer G's question kiki. Will you finally admit to, and do you support what Russia is doing? - THUGR
What do you mean "What Russia is doing?"

There?
Here?
Elsewhere?
Economically?
Politically?
Militarily?

Please narrow your question.


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Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:38 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
One can be against the idea of somebody doing something without resorting to censorship and absolute control over everybody else to keep it from happening.



You, for sure and for certain, do not understand how gullible some people can be. All it make take is some youtube crap videos of some idiot spouting angry things that make that person feel empowered, and before you can say "Bob's your uncle" that person has been completely brainwashed.



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Sunday, March 11, 2018 12:41 PM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"What Russia is doing?"
Quote:


https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.DjJFPjW_t26w2aUSb_fi3QEsDW&pid=
15.1&P=0&w=241&h=173

Oh, the trolls are up and running today...

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 1:58 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
Answer G's question kiki. Will you finally admit to, and do you support what Russia is doing? - THUGR
What do you mean "What Russia is doing?"

There?
Here?
Elsewhere?
Economically?
Politically?
Militarily?

Please narrow your question.


Can't do it can you. No surprise there comrade troll. You always deflect away from criticizing Russia.

What about you rappy? I am going to ask this of you until you answer.


T

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 2:03 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
"What Russia is doing?"
Quote:


https://tse3.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.DjJFPjW_t26w2aUSb_fi3QEsDW&pid=
15.1&P=0&w=241&h=173

Oh, the trolls are up and running today...


Tear em up wish...


T

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Answer G's question kiki. Will you finally admit to, and do you support what Russia is doing? - THUGR

What do you mean "What Russia is doing?"
There?
Here?
Elsewhere?
Economically?
Politically?
Militarily?
Please narrow your question.- SIGNY

Can't do it can you.- THUGR
You're right: I CAN'T. Not because I don't want to, but because I don't know what you're asking.

So here are a number of possible answers, depending on how I interpret the question:

Do I support Russian "meddling" in our election? Well, I think it would be reprehensible for them to alter our various electoral databases (voter rolls) or to electronically interfere with our vote counts. I have already said- several times - how I think we should protect ourselves from such actions, but you seem to have conveniently "forgotten" those posts, once again lying by insinuation.
On the other hand, I think it's entirely appropriate that obviously Russia-funded media, like RT and Sputnik, represent a Russian POV; in that sense they're just like VOA. So I would have to disapprove of VOA along the same lines as disapproving of RT.

In between one end and the other ...

I expect that Russia would want to sneak a few peeks at our databases, but their ability to access those servers SHOULD serve as a big giant warning flag to enhance server security.
I don't care if Russians place a few ads or create a few phony social media accounts; but I WOULD be concerned if this rose to a level where it was significant.
It would be very blatant interference if Russians accessed and then distributed secret information, like tape recordings, emails etc. of candidates and so I would disapprove.

****

That was "election interference". Now, economically, I think Russia is doing a lot of things that WE should be doing: getting rid of debt, enhancing financial security, building up financial reserves and material surplus, and making its economy as self-sufficient as possible. I don't know if I "approve" or not of what Russia is doing along those lines, but I think it serves as a good example for us.

As far as what Russia is doing in with its own internal politics and dissent, I disapprove of journalists being killed, or dissidents being jailed, or dissenting viewpoints being taken off the internet. But then, that is exactly what you propose, isn't it? I also see some interesting trends in Russian politics: The reliance on religion and the fear of invasion to help cohere the Russian population. I see the same thing here. Again, I feel it's not up the me to approve or disapprove of what happens internally in Russia, since I don't think that we should "do anything" about it, so I fail to see how my opinion is relevant.

Hmm... any other questions?


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Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
You, for sure and for certain, do not understand how gullible some people can be. - WISHY
Oh, no WISHY, all I have to do is read your posts and I know EXACTLY how gullible some people can be!



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Sunday, March 11, 2018 4:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 11, 2018 8:30 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


GEEBERS

I believe in the democratic vote. You? You want to overturn the vote and get a different result by any means necessary. And that's called a coup. I'm for freedom of speech and thought. You? You're for censorship and propaganda. I'm for Americans being secure in their persons and personal effects, for freedom from search and seizure according the the fourth amendment. You? You're all for mass surveillance. I'm against drone execution of American citizens overseas, and I'm for the rule of innocent until proven guilty, and the right to face your accuser. You? Crickets.

You couldn't be more of a Nazi if you tried.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 2:46 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, no WISHY, all I have to do is read your posts and I know EXACTLY how gullible socialists are!





You know no one is reading your Russia crap now, right? Even the rethugs are on to your drivel. That's saying something...

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:11 AM

WISHIMAY


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

You couldn't be more of a Nazi if you tried.


Interesting you bring up Nazi's.

https://www.minds.com/archive/thumbnail/675940318687797255




Btw, the Founding Fathers called and they said they are against free speech in your case..




Just FYI.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:56 AM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


"Btw, the Founding Fathers called and they said they are against free speech in your case.. "

What part of the Constitution is that? I'm really curious.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 6:55 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm for freedom of speech and thought.


This from the person who whined to the forum owner to get a thread removed from RWED because she didn't like certain speech and thoughts.

This from the person who has repeatedly threatened to sue members of the forum because she didn't like their speech.

You couldn't be a bigger hypocrite & lying sack if you tried.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 8:12 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm for freedom of speech and thought.


This from the person who whined to the forum owner to get a thread removed from RWED because she didn't like certain speech and thoughts.

This from the person who has repeatedly threatened to sue members of the forum because she didn't like their speech.

You couldn't be a bigger hypocrite & lying sack if you tried.


This may all be true, but it doesn't change the fact that you and T and some others are very pro censorship when it comes to opinions you don't like.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 12, 2018 8:21 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
I'm for freedom of speech and thought.


This from the person who whined to the forum owner to get a thread removed from RWED because she didn't like certain speech and thoughts.

This from the person who has repeatedly threatened to sue members of the forum because she didn't like their speech.

You couldn't be a bigger hypocrite & lying sack if you tried.


This may all be true, but it doesn't change the fact that you and T and some others are very pro censorship when it comes to opinions you don't like.



Totally incorrect - I think maybe you're misunderstanding what "censorship" means and of course falling for the SIG & KIKI propaganda (lies). The rest of Kiki's post is full of lies - haven't you been keeping any track of what she says and how accurate it isn't?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 8:25 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I can't be arsed to look for anything right now, but I'll be sure to point out to you every time you do it in the future. I'm sure you won't have to wait too long.

In the mean time, what was this thread created for? I haven't actually seen your opinion on this matter. What is your suggestion to "fix" this problem?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 12, 2018 8:28 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can't be arsed to look for anything right now, but I'll be sure to point out to you every time you do it in the future. I'm sure you won't have to wait too long.

In the mean time, what was this thread created for? I haven't actually seen your opinion on this matter. What is your suggestion to "fix" this problem?



Identify Russian Troll accounts and make them known - easy.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 8:35 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can't be arsed to look for anything right now, but I'll be sure to point out to you every time you do it in the future. I'm sure you won't have to wait too long.

In the mean time, what was this thread created for? I haven't actually seen your opinion on this matter. What is your suggestion to "fix" this problem?



Identify Russian Troll accounts and make them known - easy.


Okay. How?

And once those systems are in place, what else will they be doing?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 12, 2018 9:19 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I can't be arsed to look for anything right now, but I'll be sure to point out to you every time you do it in the future. I'm sure you won't have to wait too long.

In the mean time, what was this thread created for? I haven't actually seen your opinion on this matter. What is your suggestion to "fix" this problem?



Identify Russian Troll accounts and make them known - easy.


Okay. How?

And once those systems are in place, what else will they be doing?



I'll be happy to answer that but let's not give Kiki a chance to use that as a deflection - let's give her a chance to explain her claim that she's all about Free Speech.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 10:25 AM

REAVERFAN


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
So far, there hasn't been any proof either.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Riiiiiight....

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Monday, March 12, 2018 10:40 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


lol. The ultra-leftwing wackjob makes an appearance.

Welcome back, Comrade.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 12:10 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
This from the person who whined to the forum owner to get a thread removed from RWED because she didn't like certain speech and thoughts.
And got it removed because it was nothing BUT baseless personal attacks - yanno 'free speech', even as envisioned by the 'framers' isn't entirely free. But POLITICAL speech was always meant to be free.
Quote:
This from the person who has repeatedly threatened to sue members of the forum because she didn't like their speech.
Which consisted of libel. Which is still on the table, btw. I've just been too busy to get back to the lawyer. Maybe I'll get back to her today or tomorrow.

But aside from personal attacks and libel - YOU want to limit political discourse. YOU want to have the government decide what opinions and ideas should be discussed, and what can be prosecutable - or at least silenced.

Btw, what I gather from watching the dynamic is that there are a number of trolls who have zero personal reasons to behave like halfway normal people. The only thing that curbs the trolling is a significant and credible threat. And when people think the threat's gone away, they start trolling again.

What a bunch of losers you are.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 1:08 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


2015

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/23/6-key-takeaways-about-
how-americans-view-their-government/
1 The public’s trust in government remains at historic lows.
5 Congress is not the only institution the public sees as having a negative influence on how things are going in the country today. Majorities see the national news media (65%) and the entertainment industry (56%) as having a negative impact on the country.


2017
http://www.people-press.org/2017/05/03/public-trust-in-government-1958
-2017/
% who trust government most or all of the time
12/04/2017 PEW 18(individual polls) 18(moving average)


http://news.gallup.com/opinion/polling-matters/221171/americans-percei
ve-government-2017.aspx
Americans' low trust in many aspects of their government is part of a general trend of declining trust in U.S. institutions. But even in this broad context, the government is particularly suspect in the public's eyes. The federal government has the least positive image of any business or industry sector measured, Congress engenders the lowest confidence of any institution that Gallup tests, and Americans rate the honesty and ethics of members of Congress as the lowest among 22 professions in Gallup's most recent update.


http://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-ne
w-low.aspx




I'd say that the reason why conspiracy theories go so far is because trust in government (especially the federal government) and the media is so low. And that's because the government and the media have been caught telling whoppers - WMDs! - and fibs - unemployment, CPI - far too often. People just don't trust them to tell the truth. And the REASON I suspect they don't tell the truth is because they don't want people to know what they're really doing.

And nobody did that to the government and the media except the government and the media.

You can blame Russia and impose censorship all you want, but the government and the media will have to start repairing their reputations with some honesty and transparency, based on honest and genuine action. Simply censoring conspiracy ideas will drive them underground, and will lead to even less trust in official sources. So those two entities need to, as the song goes, "Do what they say, say what they mean, One thing leads to another".

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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Monday, March 12, 2018 3:41 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
And got it remopved because it was nothing BUT baseless personal attacks - yanno 'free speech', even as envisioned by the 'framers' isn't entirely free.


No it wasn't - apart from SIGGY loosing her cool and going full on potty mouth and personally attacking some of US, it was an attempt to discuss a very real issue. Hard to verify now since even that thread is mysteriously gone... unless you have a copy? I'd love to see it if you do!

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Which consisted of libel. Which is still on the table, btw. I've just been too busy to get back to the lawyer. Maybe I'll get back to her today or tomorrow.


Libel like what you have posted about a lot of us? Ask your lawyer how much she'll charge to represent us too.

KIKI:
"You want to overturn the vote and get a different result by any means necessary. And that's called a coup."
"You're for censorship and propaganda."
"You're all for mass surveillance."
"You couldn't be more of a Nazi if you tried."
"YOU want to limit political discourse.
"YOU want to have the government decide what opinions and ideas should be discussed, and what can be prosecutable - or at least silenced."

And that's just in this thread.

I find those accusations from you to be very offensive and extremely defamatory btw.

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Monday, March 12, 2018 4:03 PM

THGRRI


Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
This from the person who whined to the forum owner to get a thread removed from RWED because she didn't like certain speech and thoughts.
And got it removed because it was nothing BUT baseless personal attacks -


Yeah, I don't think so. It was about Russian trolls. Who have since been indicted. Nothing baseless about that.

Kiki and sig are such liars and I love pointing it out. Waiting to hear from your lawyer comrade.



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Monday, March 12, 2018 4:13 PM

THGRRI


Hey sig kiki. Make sure your lawyer is informed about all your sockpuppet identities. You don't want her to be surprised in court. I notice janestown and pirate news are back. They both appeared in the early 2000's. You know, when you sig, rappy and jack first arrived on the scene. Any ideas who those two are? And sockpuppet, who's that again?


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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 2:08 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR:
Quote:
Hey sig kiki. Make sure your lawyer is informed about all your sockpuppet identities. You don't want her to be surprised in court. I notice janestown and pirate news are back. They both appeared in the early 2000's. You know, when you sig, rappy and jack first arrived on the scene. Any ideas who those two are? And sockpuppet, who's that again?
Well, son, since I can prove who I am and I know for sure that I don't have any sockpuppets on this board, all I can say is ... I have no idea how you manage to get your thinking so out of whack. You're either a lunatic or a complete troll. I vote for troll.

GSTRING: In order for something to be libel, it has to be untrue. I can imagine you in court, defending your posts on this board. Now THAT picture is worth a chuckle or two! heh heh heh

WISHY:
Quote:
Btw, the Founding Fathers called and they said they are against free speech in your case.
Treason? You have turned into a complete bag of nuts. What the hell is wrong with you? It's like you're following some sort of deranged Pied Piper over a cliff.



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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 4:19 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
Hey sig kiki. Make sure your lawyer is informed about all your sockpuppet identities. You don't want her to be surprised in court. I notice janestown and pirate news are back. They both appeared in the early 2000's. You know, when you sig, rappy and jack first arrived on the scene. Any ideas who those two are? And sockpuppet, who's that again?


T


I didn't see the return of PN. It looks to me like Jaynestown has necroposted some of his threads here or there.

I saw Reaverfan made a long awaited comeback yesterday. Which one of you is the Masked Avenger. lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:51 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

GSTRING: In order for something to be libel, it has to be untrue.


Do let Kiki know - these are all untrue:

Originally posted by KIKI:
"You want to overturn the vote and get a different result by any means necessary. And that's called a coup."
"You're for censorship and propaganda."
"You're all for mass surveillance."
"You couldn't be more of a Nazi if you tried."
"YOU want to limit political discourse.
"YOU want to have the government decide what opinions and ideas should be discussed, and what can be prosecutable - or at least silenced."

So Kiki libels - check - no surprise.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I can imagine you in court, defending your posts on this board. Now THAT picture is worth a chuckle or two! heh heh heh


That is funny 'cuz I can't imagine you defending yours.

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Friday, March 16, 2018 10:12 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yanno, GSTRING, we could argue until the cows come home about whether or not you're pro-fascist. We could even argue about whether or not I'm a troll. But there is one provable, undeniable fact, and that is that I'm not Russian. So there you go: saying that I'm Russian is provably false, defamatory, and therefore libel.

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Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:33 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So there you go: saying that I'm Russian is provably false, defamatory, and therefore libel.


You must be bored out off your nut (I know I am). And confused again.
I have no idea where anyone is from on this board. I have no idea if you are a man or a woman or a poorly trained monkey. I have no idea how many people are behind your username or if you have multiple usernames (JSF, KIKI, 6IX, WHOZIT for a few guesses). I do know who ever is working your username, they can't seem to stop lying - it's like an addiction.

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Saturday, March 17, 2018 8:37 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:

You must be bored out off your nut (I know I am). And confused again.
I have no idea where anyone is from on this board. I have no idea if you are a man or a woman or a poorly trained monkey. I have no idea how many people are behind your username or if you have multiple usernames (JSF, KIKI, 6IX, WHOZIT for a few guesses). I do know who ever is working your username, they can't seem to stop lying - it's like an addiction.


Please stop bringing me into this.

I'm obviously not anybody else on this board.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 17, 2018 11:59 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm obviously not anybody else on this board.


Huh? You very obviously could be ANYONE else on this board and vice versa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(1976_film)

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Saturday, March 17, 2018 9:09 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I'm obviously not anybody else on this board.


Huh? You very obviously could be ANYONE else on this board and vice versa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_(1976_film)


Yep. That was some trick I pulled when I was super drunk every time I posted here as me, but then I started saying even more nonsense when I posted as "G".

https://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141514464/real-sybil-admits-multiple-pe
rsonalities-were-fake

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