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Qualifiers like ' responsible ' and ' common sense ' gun ownership are empty and deceptive caveats by the Left. The NRA promotes true gun safety, yet it's being painted as the real villain here, not Nikolas Cruz.

More likely, the real blame can be laid at the feet of ... Broward County itself :

Broward County Likely ‘Inspiration’ for Obama School Discipline Policy to Report Fewer Arrests, Suspensions


“Broward County was the first to have the goal of lowering suspensions, lowering expulsions, lowering arrests,” explains Eden. “And, so, they decided to reduce police involvement by not bringing in cops to arrest kids for a whole range of serious offenses, and then, as you would expect, the arrests go down when you stop arresting. That was taken to be a sign of success, based on that metric alone.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/02/26/broward-county-like
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Time to start arming students I guess.

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Israel armed teachers in schools in 1974. Since then only two school shooters. Both were promptly killed by teachers. Clearly arming teachers doesn't work.

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Police on scene of shots fired call at Dalton High School

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Oh look, another clinically depressed person taking medication with a gun. Golly, where are we seeing this combination before? Oh that's right, every mass shooting ever.

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I don't think anybody in their right mind thinks that looking to Israel for how a functioning society works is a good idea.

I think as time goes on we're going to see me agree less and less with the Republicans on this board again. I'm not liking the issues that have been gaining prominence lately and how the Republicans are reacting to them.

It goes without saying that I am not in the Democrat's corner concerning these issues either.


I'm afraid we're at the point that we need to start having discussions about why there is nobody in politics today that is in the middle anymore.

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I don't think anybody in their right mind thinks that looking to Israel for how a functioning society works is a good idea.

I think as time goes on we're going to see me agree less and less with the Republicans on this board again. I'm not liking the issues that have been gaining prominence lately and how the Republicans are reacting to them.

It goes without saying that I am not in the Democrat's corner concerning these issues either.


I'm afraid we're at the point that we need to start having discussions about why there is nobody in politics today that is in the middle anymore.

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Grab your barf bag 6, T has been saying that since before Trump.

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Thanks for reminding Jack of that G. Because we both appear to have a much bigger problem with the republicans at this point, it is conveniently forgotten by some here the many times you I and others, have expressed our dismay about the democratic party. Problems with their identity politics. Their cries of racism and bigotry against anyone who believes the people should determine policy for immigration, not just a few in political office.

Our hating Hillary as the democratic nominee. Pay to play politics practiced by both parties. The way both parties have worked to give disproportionate influence to corporate and the rich. The list of reasons to dislike both parties is long. However, while the democratic dislike list is long, the republican list at this point in time is endless.

Front and center, Russia...

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Thanks for reminding Jack of that G. Because we both appear to have a much bigger problem with the republicans at this point, it is conveniently forgotten by some here the many times you I and others, have expressed our dismay about the democratic party. Problems with their identity politics. Their cries of racism and bigotry against anyone who believes the people should determine policy for immigration, not just a few in political office.

Our hating Hillary as the democratic nominee. Pay to play politics practiced by both parties. The way both parties have worked to give disproportionate influence to corporate and the rich. The list of reasons to dislike both parties is long. However, while the democratic dislike list is long, the republican list at this point in time is endless.

Front and center, Russia...

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Police on scene of shots fired call at Dalton High School

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Oh look, another clinically depressed person taking medication. Golly, where are we seeing this combination before? Oh that's right, every mass shooting ever.

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No I don't. I said from the very beginning that there are a number of factors that contribute to these tragedies, NOT just one thing. Mental illness, or the basic mental unfitness to handle weapons of any kind, is certainly one factor, and GUNS are another. I don't want you to loose sight of that. This isn't an either/or situation.

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We didn't outlaw airplanes after 9-11. We didn't put pressure cookers under lock and key after Boston.

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Why the HELL can't you see what's going on here ???

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I don't think anybody in their right mind thinks that looking to Israel for how a functioning society works is a good idea.

I think as time goes on we're going to see me agree less and less with the Republicans on this board again. I'm not liking the issues that have been gaining prominence lately and how the Republicans are reacting to them.

It goes without saying that I am not in the Democrat's corner concerning these issues either.


I'm afraid we're at the point that we need to start having discussions about why there is nobody in politics today that is in the middle anymore.

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Grab your barf bag 6, T has been saying that since before Trump.

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Oh look, another clinically depressed person taking medication. Golly, where are we seeing this combination before? Oh that's right, every mass shooting ever.

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Good catch.
Teacher Jesse Randall Davidson in Dalton GA has been on several different medicines for depression, and has previously confessed to killing people.
This guy needs to be invited to anti-gun rallies, to trim off the delusionally stupid from the conversation.

Technically, not every mass killing spree. The Muslim acts I don't recall being on meds. With the psychotropic problem being so prevalent and spiralling, the non-medicated killings are able to get lost among them.

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Flown plenty since 9-11. Most of the restrictions are needless groping instead of actual profiling of potential terrorists.

x-rays have been a staple for flying long before 9-11.

Planes still fly, pressure cookers are still free as ever to purchase, cars and knives are every bit as easy to rent, buy, what ever...


it's just an object... useless w/ out a deviant evil mind to wield it.

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Why are you always picking on the kids. They have a right to be upset moron.


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Flown plenty since 9-11. Most of the restrictions are needless groping instead of actual profiling of potential terrorists.

x-rays have been a staple for flying long before 9-11.

Planes still fly, pressure cookers are still free as ever to purchase, cars and knives are every bit as easy to rent, buy, what ever...


it's just an object... useless w/ out a deviant evil mind to wield it.

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Why are you always picking on the kids. They have a right to be upset moron.


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Flown plenty since 9-11. Most of the restrictions are needless groping instead of actual profiling of potential terrorists.

x-rays have been a staple for flying long before 9-11.

Planes still fly, pressure cookers are still free as ever to purchase, cars and knives are every bit as easy to rent, buy, what ever...

it's just an object... useless w/ out a deviant evil mind to wield it.

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Flown plenty since 9-11. Most of the restrictions are needless groping instead of actual profiling of potential terrorists.

x-rays have been a staple for flying long before 9-11.

Planes still fly, pressure cookers are still free as ever to purchase, cars and knives are every bit as easy to rent, buy, what ever...

it's just an object... useless w/ out a deviant evil mind to wield it.

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It's not "just an object." It's not "just like" the other things. You're drinking NRA koolaid if you think so. For example: If you're going to commit murder, which one would you use? If you're going to commit suicide, which one are you going to use? And if you want to tell me that you have a way to make mankind not want to do either of those I got more bad news for you and it's about your own mental health.

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Flown plenty since 9-11. Most of the restrictions are needless groping instead of actual profiling of potential terrorists.

x-rays have been a staple for flying long before 9-11.

Planes still fly, pressure cookers are still free as ever to purchase, cars and knives are every bit as easy to rent, buy, what ever...

it's just an object... useless w/ out a deviant evil mind to wield it.

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It's not "just an object." It's not "just like" the other things. You're drinking NRA koolaid if you think so. For example: If you're going to commit murder, which one would you use? If you're going to commit suicide, which one are you going to use? And if you want to tell me that you have a way to make mankind not want to do either of those I got more bad news for you and it's about your own mental health.

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And how many Leftists are going to HONESTLY sit there and tell us , with a straight face, they totally trust the police ??

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That, my friends, is what we call SJW checkmate.

Any Black Lives Matter or antifa activists still here?

What say you, reaverfan?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Plenty of people do both without guns. Even in the US.

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Suicide by gun is actually a very stupid thing to do. That's what my Uncle did. My aunt found him much later because she heard noises from the garage and thought it was an animal in pain. He lived half a day longer in the hospital before he passed.

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Israel armed teachers in schools in 1974. Since then only two school shooters. Both were promptly killed by teachers. Clearly arming teachers doesn't work.

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Maybe you are confused. Teachers who are untrainable should not be forced to become competent. Only Israeli school teachers are smarter than the rest of the world, and are trainable.

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Why are you always picking on the kids. They have a right to be upset moron.

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" Always "? That's a silly claim to make. THESE kids, the portion of them which the media shows, while ignoring the others who are just fine w/ the NRA, actually have no reason TO be upset.

This is 100% fabricated, asterturfed " outrage ", that's being parlayed into a vocal voting block. Nothing more. If they really want to be upset at someone, why not the kid who they bullied, Nikolas Cruz ? Or the Broward County Sheriff Dept, who responded to 39 calls for domestic violence ? Or the FBI, who absolutely knew about the danger this kid displayed - having been EXPELLED from that very school for VIOLENCE ... or even the drug companies, who doped him and every other degenerate mass shooter.

I will not be lectured to by 15-17 yr olds who think they know how to run everything, and want to accuse everyone else in the world for their problems except the very ones who caused them.

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I have the perfect solution:

Why doesn't the NRA pay retired Vets of Foreign Wars to arm themselves and protect the kids of their neighborhoods? The NRA should put it's money where it's mouth is. They should put out an ad asking for volunteers.

They sell more guns, they employ out of work people, and they put the skills of these vets to work. It's a win, win, win situation.

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Why are you always picking on the kids. They have a right to be upset moron.

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" Always "? That's a silly claim to make. THESE kids, the portion of them which the media shows, while ignoring the others who are just fine w/ the NRA, actually have no reason TO be upset.

This is 100% fabricated, asterturfed " outrage ", that's being parlayed into a vocal voting block. Nothing more. If they really want to be upset at someone, why not the kid who they bullied, Nikolas Cruz ? Or the Broward County Sheriff Dept, who responded to 39 calls for domestic violence ? Or the FBI, who absolutely knew about the danger this kid displayed - having been EXPELLED from that very school for VIOLENCE ... or even the drug companies, who doped him and every other degenerate mass shooter.

I will not be lectured to by 15-17 yr olds who think they know how to run everything, and want to accuse everyone else in the world for their problems except the very ones who caused them.

And F every single adult who cheers on this madness.

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I'm curious - does anyone here believe Sandy Hook and/ or Marjory Stoneman were false flag attacks/ fake news with crisis actors?

I'm just trying to get a read on what people think are the facts.

So anyway ... anyone up for a rational, fact-based, and civil discussion about the topic?

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I think that's a great idea. This new school security would be armed with guns that local cops have confiscated. I'm sure the NRA would understand that it just looks bad if they profit from mass slaughter.

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Why doesn't the NRA pay retired Vets of Foreign Wars to arm themselves and protect the kids of their neighborhoods? The NRA should put it's money where it's mouth is. They should put out an ad asking for volunteers.

They sell more guns, they employ out of work people, and they put the skills of these vets to work. It's a win, win, win situation.

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I think that's a great idea. This new school security would be armed with guns that local cops have confiscated. I'm sure the NRA would understand that it just looks bad if they profit from mass slaughter.

Of course, when this deterrent works it will just send these crazies to churches, sporting events, and malls where the security is easier to breech, but we'll solve that with more guns, surely.

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Your delusions know no bounds.
Just because you have no clue about guns does not mean that professional Law Enforcement Officers, Coroners, Medical Examiners, and Crime Scene Technicians have been mistaking actual GUNS for the MACHETES, AXES, KNIFES, ROPES, SWORDS and Human Teeth used to commit the acts if these psychotropic drug-agitated Reavers.

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Your delusions know no bounds.
Just because you have no clue about guns does not mean that professional Law Enforcement Officers, Coroners, Medical Examiners, and Crime Scene Technicians have been mistaking actual GUNS for the MACHETES, AXES, KNIFES, ROPES, SWORDS and Human Teeth used to commit the acts if these psychotropic drug-agitated Reavers.

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To put a stop to your delusions that GUNS should never be regulated because of very recent and weird misinterpretations of the Second Amendment, John Paul Stevens, retired associate justice of the United States Supreme Court, recommended that the amendment be repealed. He wrote:

During the years when Warren Burger was our chief justice, from 1969 to 1986, no judge, federal or state, as far as I am aware, expressed any doubt as to the limited coverage of the Second Amendment. When organizations like the National Rifle Association disagreed with that position and began their campaign claiming that federal regulation of firearms curtailed Second Amendment rights, Chief Justice Burger publicly characterized the N.R.A. as perpetrating “one of the greatest pieces of fraud, I repeat the word fraud, on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime.”

For over 200 years after the adoption of the Second Amendment, it was uniformly understood as not placing any limit on either federal or state authority to enact gun control legislation. Example: in 1939 the Supreme Court unanimously held that Congress could prohibit the possession of a sawed-off shotgun because that weapon had no reasonable relation to the preservation or efficiency of a “well regulated militia.”

Concern that a national standing army might pose a threat to the security of the separate states led to the adoption of that amendment, which provides that “a well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.” Today that concern is a relic of the 18th century.

In 2008, the Supreme Court overturned Chief Justice Burger’s and others’ long-settled understanding of the Second Amendment’s limited reach by ruling, in District of Columbia v. Heller, that there was an individual right to bear arms. I was among the four dissenters. [If anyone asks, the five judges that voted for the decision were lunatic Republicans, as is JewelStaiteFan.]

That decision — which I remain convinced was wrong and certainly was debatable — has provided the N.R.A. with a propaganda weapon of immense power. Overturning that decision via a constitutional amendment to get rid of the Second Amendment would be simple and would do more to weaken the N.R.A.’s ability to stymie legislative debate and block constructive gun control legislation than any other available option.

It would eliminate the only legal rule that protects sellers of firearms in the United States — unlike every other market in the world.

www.nytimes.com/2018/03/27/opinion/john-paul-stevens-repeal-second-ame
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Justice Breyer, with whom Justice Stevens, Justice Souter, and Justice Ginsburg join, dissenting.

We must decide whether a District of Columbia law that prohibits the possession of handguns in the home violates the Second Amendment . The majority, relying upon its view that the Second Amendment seeks to protect a right of personal self-defense, holds that this law violates that Amendment. In my view, it does not.

The majority’s conclusion is wrong for two independent reasons. The first reason is that set forth by Justice Stevens—namely, that the Second Amendment protects militia-related, not self-defense-related, interests. These two interests are sometimes intertwined. To assure 18th-century citizens that they could keep arms for militia purposes would necessarily have allowed them to keep arms that they could have used for self-defense as well. But self-defense alone, detached from any militia-related objective, is not the Amendment’s concern.

The second independent reason is that the protection the Amendment provides is not absolute. The Amendment permits government to regulate the interests that it serves. Thus, irrespective of what those interests are—whether they do or do not include an independent interest in self-defense—the majority’s view cannot be correct unless it can show that the District’s regulation is unreasonable or inappropriate in Second Amendment terms. This the majority cannot do.

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Before addressing the verbs “keep” and “bear,” we interpret their object: “Arms.” The 18th-century meaning is no different from the meaning today. The 1773 edition of Samuel Johnson’s dictionary defined “arms” as “weapons of offence, or armour of defence.” 1 Dictionary of the English Language 107 (4th ed.) (hereinafter Johnson). Timothy Cunningham’s important 1771 legal dictionary defined “arms” as “any thing that a man wears for his defence, or takes into his hands, or useth in wrath to cast at or strike another.” 1 A New and Complete Law Dictionary (1771); see also N. Webster, American Dictionary of the English Language (1828) (reprinted 1989) (hereinafter Webster) (similar).

The term was applied, then as now, to weapons that were not specifically designed for military use and were not employed in a military capacity. For instance, Cunningham’s legal dictionary gave as an example of usage: “Servants and labourers shall use bows and arrows on Sundays, &c. and not bear other arms.” See also, e.g., An Act for the trial of Negroes, 1797 Del. Laws ch. XLIII, §6, p. 104, in 1 First Laws of the State of Delaware 102, 104 (J. Cushing ed. 1981 (pt. 1)); see generally State v. Duke, 42Tex. 455, 458 (1874) (citing decisions of state courts construing “arms”). Although one founding-era thesaurus limited “arms” (as opposed to “weapons”) to “instruments of offence generally made use of in war,” even that source stated that all firearms constituted “arms.” 1 J. Trusler, The Distinction Between Words Esteemed Synonymous in the English Language37 (1794) (emphasis added).

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To stop skyjacking, Archie Bunker would arm all the passengers. Archie is a genius 40 years ahead of his time with the same idea behind arming all the teachers.

Guns are responsible for the largest share of U.S. homicides in over 80 years, federal mortality data shows
https://goo.gl/Z4yRVU

The much-discussed spike in homicide rates between 2014 and 2016 is due almost entirely to gun homicides, an analysis of federal homicide data reveals.

The spike was so drastic that in 2016, gun homicides accounted for a greater share of all homicides than at any point in the federal record, which contains more than 80 years of complete data for the United States.

The numbers underscore how the violent-crime problem is, now more than ever, a gun-violence problem. After years of record sales, firearms are more prevalent in society than at any time in recent history. The high number of civilian guns in circulation means more opportunities for guns to be diverted into the hands of people at risk of harming others with them.

To arrive at the numbers above, more than 100 years of federal homicide statistics were compiled, stretching back to the year 1910.

More at https://goo.gl/Z4yRVU

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Did we all celebrate another Truancy Day today?

Who really believes this was anything more than Skip School on Pot Day?

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