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I see the IDF is mowing down unarmed civilians, again
Monday, May 14, 2018 10:50 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote: 37 Palestinians killed in Gaza protests ahead of US embassy opening At least 37 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces during clashes at the Gaza border on Monday, the largest number of fatalities suffered in one day since the latest round of protests began more than six weeks ago, the Palestinian Ministry of Health announced. The demonstrations were taking place hours before the new US embassy was due to officially open in Jerusalem. The Palestinian Health Ministry said more than 1,600 had suffered injuries, and that many of the dead had not yet been identified. CNN journalists near the Gaza-Israel border heard gunfire in spurts and saw a tank moving towards the fence in the border area of Malaka. Israeli drones also dropped tear gas over a crowd of protesters.
Monday, May 14, 2018 12:06 PM
CAPTAINCRUNCH
... stay crunchy...
Monday, May 14, 2018 12:56 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: But all of those concerned about human rights in RUSSIA!!! seem not to notice the human rights violations in our biggest buddies, Israel and Saudi Arabia, who (btw) have openly teamed up recently.
Monday, May 14, 2018 9:48 PM
JEWELSTAITEFAN
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: 37 Palestinians killed in Gaza protests ahead of US embassy opening At least 37 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces during clashes at the Gaza border on Monday, the largest number of fatalities suffered in one day since the latest round of protests began more than six weeks ago, the Palestinian Ministry of Health announced. The demonstrations were taking place hours before the new US embassy was due to officially open in Jerusalem. The Palestinian Health Ministry said more than 1,600 had suffered injuries, and that many of the dead had not yet been identified. CNN journalists near the Gaza-Israel border heard gunfire in spurts and saw a tank moving towards the fence in the border area of Malaka. Israeli drones also dropped tear gas over a crowd of protesters. https://wgno.com/2018/05/14/37-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-protests-ahead-of-us-embassy-opening/amp/ Israel operates Gaza like the Nazis operated the Warsaw ghetto. What they have created is the largest open-air prison in history, and what you have now is in essence a prison riot. But all of those concerned about human rights in RUSSIA!!! seem not to notice the human rights violations in our biggest buddies, Israel and Saudi Arabia, who (btw) have openly teamed up recently.
Monday, May 14, 2018 11:26 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: explosives? link ... OR ... STFU SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 12:43 AM
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Nobody says protesters had explosives except the Jew York Times.
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
Quote:What message were "we" sending to Israel?
Quote: The-mail containing an unusual proposal. Norris is married to Ben Rhodes, a former foreign-policy adviser to President Barack Obama and a prominent advocate of the Iran nuclear deal. In the e-mail, a woman who introduced herself as Eva Novak and claimed to work for a London-based film company called Shell Productions asked Norris to consult on a movie that she described as “ ‘All the President’s Men’ meets ‘The West Wing’ ”: it would follow the personal lives of “government officials in the positions that determine war and Peace” during times of geopolitical crisis, including “nuclear negotiations with a hostile nation.” Recalling the exchange, Ann Norris said that she found Eva Novak’s request “bizarre,” and that she “never responded.” The e-mail appears to be part of an undercover campaign by an Israeli private-intelligence firm to discredit Obama officials who had been leading proponents of the 2015 Iran nuclear deal. The campaign was first reported, on Saturday, by the British newspaper the Observer. However, sources familiar with the effort and pages of documents obtained by The New Yorker reveal that there is more to understand. Two of those sources told me on Sunday that the operation was carried out by Black Cube—a firm that was also employed by Harvey Weinstein and that offers its clients access to operatives from “Israel’s élite military and governmental intelligence units,” including the Mossad.
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:What message were "we" sending to Israel? Which time? When Trump picked pastors for his opening prayers who had said bad things about the Jewish religion, and about Jews? Or when Trump moved our embassy to Jerusalem?
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:14 AM
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:50 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yes, I see it.
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:25 AM
Quote:Grt! Closer! So what message are we sending to Israel/Jews in the region to send 2 anti-semtic pastors to make prayers for the opening? Doesn't that seem a bit effed up to you?
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 2:50 PM
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 4:08 PM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 1kiki: Nobody says protesters had explosives except the Jew York Times. And even that was a report of a claim by Israeli military, which never lies. No wonder you can't find a link. It doesn't exist. google srael Kills Dozens at Gaza Border as US Embassy Opens in Jerusalem New York Times-6 hours ago Tens of thousands of Palestinians took part in the Gaza protests. ... in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were ... duckduckgo (Bloomberg) -- Israeli forces shot dead 41 Palestinians as tens of thousands converged on Gaza's border in the worst single day of violence there since a 2014 war, casting a pall over President ... SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).
Quote:Israel accuses Hamas of using the protests as cover to attack the Jewish state, and has vowed to prevent any attempts to breach the border, Hamas’s stated goal. The Israeli military said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device Egged on by loudspeakers and transported in buses, Gazans streamed to the border with Israel, where some threw rocks, burned tires, and flew kites and balloons outfitted with firebombs into Israeli territory.
Quote: More than 2,700 Palestinian demonstrators were injured on Monday — at least 1,350 by gunfire
Quote:A mass attempt by Palestinians to cross the border fence separating Israel from Gaza turned violent, as Israeli soldiers responded with rifle fire. Israeli soldiers and snipers used barrages of tear gas as well as live gunfire to keep protesters from entering Israeli territory. The Israeli military said that some in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were flying flaming kites into Israel; at least one kite outside the Nahal Oz kibbutz, near Gaza City, ignited a wildfire. By midafternoon, the protest nearest to Gaza City had turned into a pitched battle — a chaotic panorama of smoke, sirens and tear gas that stretched along the fence. A spokesman for the Israeli Defense Forces, Lt. Colonel Jonathan Conricus, cast doubt on the casualty numbers from the Hamas-controlled Health Ministry; he said a large number of those listed as injured had suffered only tear-gas inhalation. a cleric, holding his index finger in the air as hundreds of people did the same. “Now we are heading to Jerusalem with millions of martyrs. We may die but Palestine will live.”
Quote: Jared Kushner, who said: “As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution.” The Israel Defence Forces said in a statement: “The rioters are hurling firebombs and explosive devices towards the security fence and IDF forces, Israel’s military said its troops had killed three “terrorists” attempting to place an explosive device adjacent to the fence in the southern area of the strip “under the cover of violent riots”. Hamas has encouraged and funded the protests and said it would not stop people from attempting to break the metal fence. Loudspeakers at the frontier called for people to push through Mosques in Gaza called for people to protest as a general strike was observed. Buses ferried residents to the perimeter.
Quote:east of Gaza City, organizers urged demonstrators to burst through the fence talked about their enthusiasm to break into Israel and wreak havoc. “We are excited to storm and get inside,” said 23-year-old Mohammed Mansoura. When asked what he would do inside Israel, he said, “Whatever is possible, to kill “Especially violent riots” took place near the southern Gazan city of Rafah, where three people were killed after trying to plant an explosive, the army added. Israel says that Hamas is using the demonstrations as a cover to carry out attacks, pointing out that some of those killed are known militants. On Saturday, protesters burned the main cargo terminal to Gaza, causing $2.8 million in damage and further choking off supplies.
Quote: Hamas has a history if exaggerating casualty claims. According to the IDF, three Gazans were shot while trying to plant explosive devices at the border fence, while others were killed attempting to open fire on Israeli soldiers. . Several incendiary kites were flown toward Israel. One fell in a field outside Kibbutz outside Mefalsim, sparking a fire The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities “There is a prohibition for Hamas operatives to approach the border, from a fear that they will be killed or captured by IDF troops, unless the security fence falls and then they must enter, armed, into Israel under the cover of the masses and carry out terror attacks,” The Islamist terrorist group understands the Gaza population is frustrated that 11 years of Hamas rule has resulted in destructive wars – launched each time by Hamas itself
Quote: Israeli Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman told reporters while visiting the border area on Friday. He accused militants of pretending to be journalists and Red Crescent workers of taking part in the violence The threats by the PIJ Terror organization to shoot at IDF officers by snipers from Gaza, constitutes crossing a red line.
Quote:The military, which as deployed snipers and tanks along the border, said that demonstrators in Gaza had thrown "explosives" and Molotov cocktails at the fence, and attempted to damage it. One explosive device was seen attached to a kite and aimed towards IDF troops
Quote:The Israeli military, which has airdropped leaflets warning protesters to stay away from the frontier, said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device along the frontier.
Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:15 PM
Quote: I don't now what you are on about. I never said I could not find a link. I clearly stated that I could find multiple links, and even detailed how you, too, could find the same. I used fairly common, simple terms of Standard American English, not some mystery code. Is this not a language you speak? Here is the linky I specified (from Bloomberg, not NYT): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/eighteen-palestinians-killed-in-unrest-over-u-s-embassy-move Israel accuses Hamas of using the protests as cover to attack the Jewish state, and has vowed to prevent any attempts to breach the border, Hamas’s stated goal. The Israeli military said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device Egged on by loudspeakers and transported in buses, Gazans streamed to the border with Israel, where some threw rocks, burned tires, and flew kites and balloons outfitted with firebombs into Israeli territory.
Quote:More than 2,700 Palestinian demonstrators were injured on Monday — at least 1,350 by gunfire What about the other 1,350 injured by something other than gunfire?
Quote: A mass attempt by Palestinians to cross the border fence separating Israel from Gaza turned violent, as Israeli soldiers responded with rifle fire. Israeli soldiers and snipers used barrages of tear gas as well as live gunfire to keep protesters from entering Israeli territory.
Quote:The Israeli military said that some
Quote: in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were flying flaming kites into Israel; at least one kite outside the Nahal Oz kibbutz, near Gaza City, ignited a wildfire.
Quote: Jared Kushner, who said: “As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution.” The Israel Defence Forces said in a statement: “The rioters are hurling firebombs and explosive devices towards the security fence and IDF forces,
Quote: Israel’s military said its troops had killed three “terrorists” attempting to place an explosive device adjacent to the fence in the southern area of the strip “under the cover of violent riots”. Hamas has encouraged and funded the protests and said it would not stop people from attempting to break the metal fence. Loudspeakers at the frontier called for people to push through
Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: I don't now what you are on about. I never said I could not find a link. I clearly stated that I could find multiple links, and even detailed how you, too, could find the same. I used fairly common, simple terms of Standard American English, not some mystery code. Is this not a language you speak? Here is the linky I specified (from Bloomberg, not NYT): https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-14/eighteen-palestinians-killed-in-unrest-over-u-s-embassy-move Israel accuses Hamas of using the protests as cover to attack the Jewish state, and has vowed to prevent any attempts to breach the border, Hamas’s stated goal. The Israeli military said it stopped militants from laying an explosive device Egged on by loudspeakers and transported in buses, Gazans streamed to the border with Israel, where some threw rocks, burned tires, and flew kites and balloons outfitted with firebombs into Israeli territory. Apparently not. The biggest issue is "burning kites", which cause brush fires when they land, not "firebombs". There was ONE instance, the military says, of a kite which landed with what APPEARED to be an explosive device, but they can't tell if it was a dud, a fake, or a test. (If this indeed happened, I'm sure they figured it out by now.) Quote:More than 2,700 Palestinian demonstrators were injured on Monday — at least 1,350 by gunfire What about the other 1,350 injured by something other than gunfire? Yes, what about them? Quote: A mass attempt by Palestinians to cross the border fence separating Israel from Gaza turned violent, as Israeli soldiers responded with rifle fire. Israeli soldiers and snipers used barrages of tear gas as well as live gunfire to keep protesters from entering Israeli territory. Well, live gunfire in response to "motion" surely isn't proportionate. Quote:The Israeli military said that some Two or three in a thousand? Quote: in the crowds were planting or hurling explosives, and that many were flying flaming kites into Israel; at least one kite outside the Nahal Oz kibbutz, near Gaza City, ignited a wildfire. You would think that there would be evidence of such devices. Quote: Jared Kushner, who said: “As we have seen from the protests of the last month and even today those provoking violence are part of the problem and not part of the solution.” The Israel Defence Forces said in a statement: “The rioters are hurling firebombs and explosive devices towards the security fence and IDF forces, Evidence? Videos? Devices? Quote: Israel’s military said its troops had killed three “terrorists” attempting to place an explosive device adjacent to the fence in the southern area of the strip “under the cover of violent riots”. Hamas has encouraged and funded the protests and said it would not stop people from attempting to break the metal fence. Loudspeakers at the frontier called for people to push through OH MY GOD, THE HORROR! People pushing through with their bodies!! That DEFINITELY deserves live fire! [/snark] JSF, by now you should be wary of allegations without evidence. From my long observation of the Israeli government, they - like globalists, neocons, and all manner of politicians, lie like a rug. I can't tell you the number of times they claimed something that wasn't true, or denied something that happened.
Wednesday, May 16, 2018 6:43 AM
Quote:So your story is that the Terrorist Hamas webpages mapping out and diagramming how to breach the border and infiltrate to kill Israelis, and commit terrorism, is all Fake?
Quote:And that Israel should not be allowed to defend itself from Armed incursion of terrorists?
Quote:And you prefer to believe every lie from known Terrorists and proven habitual liars?
Quote:Israeli commandos kill activists on flotilla bound for Gaza https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/may/31/israel-kills-activists-flotilla-gaza
Quote:The time Israel attacked a US navy ship and killed dozens ...Three days into Israel's Six-Day War, the Liberty was parked off the coast of Egypt collecting communication signals in international waters. While initially some concern was given to the ship's getting too close to shore, or mistaken for an enemy vessel, those misgivings seem to have vanished when Israeli planes flew in for a visual inspection at about 6:00 a.m. local time — as the mist was still burning off the surface of the Mediterranean. American sailors say the Israeli aircraft flew so close to the Liberty that they rattled the its steel plating while the ship's crew waved to the planes pilots, who did the same in return. All morning and into the afternoon, the Liberty went about her mission unmolested when at 1:40 p.m., unknown to the Liberty crew, an Israel torpedo boat reported an "unknown vessel" traveling at speeds only attributable to warships. Twenty minutes later a pair of Mirage II fighters rattled down over the Liberty and made two visual inspection passes at 3,000 feet. The Mirage pilots radioed command that the ship looked like a non-Israeli destroyer, and orders came back over the airwaves to attack. The Liberty's command knew the planes were Israeli so the ship's crew were all on "stand down" mode, non-defensive, with no helmets or even life jackets at the ready. The twin Mirage's pounded the Liberty with all the cannons, rockets, and bombs at their disposal during three separate runs. When they depleted their ammunition they were replaced by two Dassault Mysteres filled with napalm bombs that tore into the Liberty, engulfing it in a raging inferno from the bridge to the deck.
Wednesday, May 16, 2018 3:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:So your story is that the Terrorist Hamas webpages mapping out and diagramming how to breach the border and infiltrate to kill Israelis, and commit terrorism, is all Fake? First of all, I haven't seen such webpages. Secondly, assuming that they exist and aren't fake, who provided the translation for you? Israel? Third, who said that those webpages, even if they exist and are at least approximately translated, have anything to do with THIS event? Quote:And that Israel should not be allowed to defend itself from Armed incursion of terrorists?
Thursday, May 17, 2018 1:17 AM
Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:06 AM
Quote:Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan also slammed Netanyahu, calling him “the PM of an apartheid state,” and claiming he has “the blood of Palestinians on his hands.”
Quote:“the blood of countless Kurdish citizens in Turkey and Syria” on Erdogan’s hands.
Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:11 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: JSF, the breitbart article that you linked is nothing but The IDF said .... the IDF said ... the IDf said Not a single piece of corroborating evidence from anyone else. Even the "Facebook page" was something that "the IDF said .." And that article, supposedly by Hamas leader? It was translated by MEMRI, and I have long ago discounted anything that they "translated'.
Thursday, May 17, 2018 10:01 AM
Quote:Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day?
Quote:IDF ?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities
Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:13 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day? Yes, I did. What I saw was that it was "helpfully" tweeted by .... wait for it ... the IDF. Quote:IDF ?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities
Quote: Quote: Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information. Did you know that during the "Arab Spring" in Egypt, roughly HALF of the tweets circulating through the protesters originated in Israel? Do you think that Russia is the only one with troll factories? Russia, Israel, China ... the USA .... are all disinformation experts. Be careful of what the Israeli govt/ IDF says. They lie even worse than the Russians.
Quote:
Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:28 PM
Quote:Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran?
Quote:Washington post had already reported that the Sit-In Demonstrators had brought knives and fence cutters for their peaceful protest.
Thursday, May 17, 2018 2:53 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran? Truth is a very rare find when digging thru the steaming piles of shit that most governments spew. Quote:Washington post had already reported that the Sit-In Demonstrators had brought knives and fence cutters for their peaceful protest. And none of that justifies
Thursday, May 17, 2018 8:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day? Yes, I did. What I saw was that it was "helpfully" tweeted by .... wait for it ... the IDF. Quote:IDF ?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities Quote: Quote: Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information. Did you know that during the "Arab Spring" in Egypt, roughly HALF of the tweets circulating through the protesters originated in Israel? Do you think that Russia is the only one with troll factories? Russia, Israel, China ... the USA .... are all disinformation experts. Be careful of what the Israeli govt/ IDF says. They lie even worse than the Russians.
Sunday, May 20, 2018 4:35 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Does IDF lie more than Hamas, Iran? Truth is a very rare find when digging thru the steaming piles of shit that most governments spew.
Sunday, May 20, 2018 4:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote:Did you look at the Facebook page from Hamas giving direction and assault warplan for the day? Yes, I did. What I saw was that it was "helpfully" tweeted by .... wait for it ... the IDF. Quote:IDF ?Verified account @IDFSpokesperson The official Facebook page of the riots in Gaza published these photos, directing rioters to breach the fence and infiltrate nearby Israeli communities Quote: Quote: Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information.
Quote: Quote: Also, if you "copy image location" as I did, you'll find that the image is from "pbs/twimg.com". Now, I don't know who THAT is ... PBS maybe? .... but it certainly NOT from anything that looks like a Hamas FB address. So I have no way of getting back to the original FB page (assuming that it even exists) to verify the information.
Friday, September 6, 2019 9:26 AM
JAYNEZTOWN
Quote:Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Truth is a very rare find when digging thru the steaming piles of shit that most governments spew.
Quote:Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN: Truth is a very rare find when digging thru the steaming piles of shit that most governments spew.
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