Just another day in this Evil Empire by Wishimay

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Wow, and you just woke up to this now.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

As long as you insist that everything is the Republicans'/ Democrats' fault, then you fail to grasp the REAL problem with American politics.

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Monday, July 9, 2018 2:41 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"It appears the Trump administration sided with corporate interests — in this case, the $70-billion infant formula industry — over the health and well-being of kids around the globe. The baby food industry is primarily based in the US and Europe."

The other part of the story is that a number of other small, poor, third-world countries were asked to sponsor the pro-breastfeeding bill, but they, too, felt they couldn't withstand Trump's economic retaliation if they did so.

So why didn't Britain propose it?

Or France, or Germany, Australia, Canada, Norway, Sweden, Finland, or Iceland? How about Austria, Switzerland, or The Netherlands? Maybe Italy, Spain or Portugal? Certainly there were plenty of alternatives. What was THEIR big holdup? You see, maybe Trump isn't as uniquely greedy as you think.

SECOND is a troll because it constantly misrepresents what people post, fails to address their actual positions, and resorts to personal attacks when its brain isn't working (which is most of the time).

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Monday, July 9, 2018 2:42 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Wow, and you just woke up to this now.

We, as humans, have always been greedy and bad at sharing (as I have pointed out several hundred times), but Trump is the King Deplorable with his finger on the "Make America Greedy/Gaudy Again" button. The rest of his minions are just following suit.

This in NO FUCKING WAY means Russia is a better alternative. I'm thoroughly!!! surprised they said ANYTHING.

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Monday, July 9, 2018 4:03 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Trump is the King Deplorable

How about Madeline Albright, who, when asked whether the death of a half-million children was "worth it" said ....

NOTE: Madeline Albright worked for Bill Clinton.

Lookit, WISHY, I don't expect you to know about past events. You yourself you were apolitical until recently; and your heart is in the right place. But once you're made aware of past events, you really DO need to take them into account and realize that evil has been going on for a long, long time. This didn't all start with Trump.

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Monday, July 9, 2018 8:22 AM

Regarding the thread title...

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, July 9, 2018 8:23 AM

STILL manipulating, eh?

WHAT...THE...HELL... do you want me to do about the past, hmmmm??? It is hard enough to keep up with TODAY'S SHITLOAD... Let alone blather about BS that happen 30 years ago! I was TWELVE when Clinton came in.

Of COURSE none of this started with Trump, but he's the DICKHEAD that's in charge NOW. Can you at least stay focused on THAT???

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Monday, July 9, 2018 8:27 AM

Once again 6ix....thanks for the informed third grade response. Have nothing intelligent to say...it's GIF TIME!

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Monday, July 9, 2018 9:33 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Once again 6ix....thanks for the informed third grade response. Have nothing intelligent to say...it's GIF TIME!

Your thread title is spot on, btw. I can't for the life of me figure out why SIGGS and KIKS aren't high-fiving you...

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Monday, July 9, 2018 10:26 AM

Because sales of infant formula are more important than the health of children.

Unless, of course, Putin says otherwise. Gotta do what your boss tells you!

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Monday, July 9, 2018 10:39 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Once again 6ix....thanks for the informed third grade response. Have nothing intelligent to say...it's GIF TIME! - WISHY

Your thread title is spot on, btw. I can't for the life of me figure out why SIGGS and KIKS aren't high-fiving you... GSTRING

I high-fived WISHY for the reaction, but pointed out that our Evil Empire didn't begin with Trump.

Do you know HOW LONG this infant-formula v breast-feeding issue has been going on? I first heard about it forty five years ago. That might have even been before either one of you were born.

Nestle (yes, THAT Nestle) was publicly castigated for having its African infant-formula sales force show up in nurse's uniforms at villages, explaining the benefits of infant formula. Well, because they were wearing nurse's uniforms and the babies on the labels looked so chubby and happy, the mothers thought they were getting sound medical advice that formula was special, that it had something, or more of something that breast milk didn't. Of course, the water that they used to make up the concentrate was often contaminated with bacteria, viruses, and parasites. And the infant formula was expensive, so it was over-diluted. The whole move to infant formula led to an outbreak of sick, undernourished babies. A boycott was launched in 1977; here's the info so you know that I'm not just blowing smoke: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestl%C3%A9_boycott I think didn't eat Nestle chocolate for over ten years.

There have been a lot of American Presidents during the forty-five years since this first became an issue. But heck, Nestle made a lot of money off its infant formula sales ... just like they make a lot of money today, over-extracting groundwater and causing local wells to go dry, and selling the water in bottles for lots of money. To this day, I refuse to buy bottled water.

I can point to instance after instance of transnationals making a crap-ton of money exploiting the poor and uneducated (including those here in America), with the tacit or active support of American Presidents.

But then, I can point to a lot of American Presidents who have outright killed tens, if not hundreds of thousands of children, and not just by passively allowing exploitation but through active warfare. It's been a horror-show for a long time.

Yes, we should be better than Russia. So, why aren't we? (Please don't say "Trump", that's a dishonest answer, and you know it.) If we were to do some real thinking about WHY American Presidents, both Democratic and Republican, have supported exploitation and warfare for decades and decades with nary a pause to recognize the destruction and death that we leave in our wake, then maybe we might have a prayer of stopping it.

But if you think that getting rid of one President, or flipping the political party in the WH/ Congress will fix things, you're sadly mistaken.

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Monday, July 9, 2018 1:29 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Once again 6ix....thanks for the informed third grade response. Have nothing intelligent to say...it's GIF TIME!

It's a JPG, by the way.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:21 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Do you know HOW LONG this infant-formula v breast-feeding issue has been going on? I first heard about it forty five years ago. That might have even been before either one of you were born.

through active warfare. It's been a horror-show for a long time.

Yes, we should be better than Russia. So, why aren't we? (Please don't say "Trump", that's a dishonest answer, and you know it.)
But if you think that getting rid of one President, or flipping the political party in the WH/ Congress will fix things, you're sadly mistaken.

Must be a slow night if yer breaking out the whole "I'm OLDDD" spiel...

Everybody take a shot every time she types the word "WARFARE"

Wait a consecd, I'm outta booooze, dammit.

Ok, I won't say Trump....It's... Rethuglicans, right???

IT'S BECAUSE WE'RE HUMANS, right?? That's the right answer, right?? With zero power or energy or say in how we live our lives because protesting... UGHHH.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It's a JPG, by the way.

Everyone drink a shot every time 6ix posts a GIF OR a JPG...

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:31 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But if you think that getting rid of one President, or flipping the political party in the WH/ Congress will fix things, you're sadly mistaken.

Wait, did you just advocate for overthrow of the gov't???

LUCY, YOU GOT SOME S'PLAININ TO DO!

Except that was literally one of the first things I posted about a lot around here.... HUMANS...RULED BY HUMANS....IS A BAD IDEA. EVERYWHERE.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 1:17 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Wait, did you just advocate for overthrow of the gov't???

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LUCY, YOU GOT SOME S'PLAININ TO DO!

No.

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HUMANS...RULED BY HUMANS....IS A BAD IDEA. EVERYWHERE.

But say, did YOU just advocate for exterminating the human species??

For the life of me, I can't imagine how you go around thinking you're so smart.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:19 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

But say, did YOU just advocate for exterminating the human species??

Yes, that's 'ZACTLY what I meant...Oh wait, I mean that other thing.

I think we oughtta make EVERYONE take what is basically a FREE year long Ethics and Governance course and if you pass, you get a super encrypted voting device...one person, one vote... on EVERYTHING. Retina scan, thumbprint, voice ID...the WORKS... Make voting and being a citizen something that has to be studied for and worked for and you have to prove yourself a human being...not just memorizing who did... whatever... in 1798. Murder someone, lose your Voter permanently. Go on a racist rampage, lose your Voter for a year. Drunk Driving? 10 years. Having NO say would make people feel powerless and discourage crime at the same time. And because they actually had to work to get it, they might think twice before doing something that takes it away.

Actually, I think we ought to call the super encrypted voting device "The Mark of The Beast" and therefore automatically rule out the stuporsticious and illogical. We would already be a 1000 steps ahead in being a better place then.

I never said I was smart at everything...in fact, I'll say it again...EVERYONE is smart about something and ignorant about somethings...but at least I'M trying. Come stand at a local PTA meeting and tell me these people have EVER tried.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:21 AM

Oh, and like I've also said a million times...the human species WILL wipe itself out without immediate action. And that's not going to happen. I'm not advocating it, but it will happen nonetheless.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:22 AM

Meh

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:54 AM

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We're suppozed to deflect the next big asteroid first, then we get wiped out or sink back down to ape level, Wishy.

It must be near, kuz the sinking haz started alredy and Gaia can hardly wait to get rid uv us. There'll be a hand full uv jenius sientists in a NASA bunker hurrying to launch the deflector missile wile hordez uv Christian Republicanz jibbering about Godz Will are trying to break in & stop them.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:56 AM

Wildlife is dying out due to habitat destruction, overhunting, toxic pollution, invasion by alien species and climate change. But the ultimate cause of all of these factors is “human overpopulation and continued population growth, and overconsumption, especially by the rich”, say the scientists, who include Prof Paul Ehrlich, at Stanford University in the US, whose 1968 book The Population Bomb is a seminal, if controversial, work.

“The serious warning in our paper needs to be heeded because civilisation depends utterly on the plants, animals, and microorganisms of Earth that supply it with essential ecosystem services ranging from crop pollination and protection to supplying food from the sea and maintaining a livable climate,” Ehrlich told the Guardian. Other ecosystem services include clean air and water.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/jul/10/earths-sixth-mass-
extinction-event-already-underway-scientists-warn

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:05 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Yes, that's 'ZACTLY what I meant...Oh wait, I mean that other thing.

I was just returning the "favor" of deliberately misrepresenting what you said, so don't complain. You don't even recognize what you yourself just did when it's returned to you. Apparently, your (mistaken) sense of superiority has left you blind to your own flaws.

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Make voting and being a citizen something that has to be studied for and worked for and you have to prove yourself a human being

And you think YOU'D be allowed to vote??? You sound like one of those self-righteous who believes that THEY'RE going up to heaven when the rapture comes; personally I wonder if you'd even make it on the list because I would imagine that your hatred for most people would disqualify you.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:07 AM

So, where do you live, Siggy? Tell us all about your home here in America.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:17 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
So, where do you live, Siggy? Tell us all about your home here in America.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:33 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, can we now start talking about how we're going to FIX this "evil Empire" problem, instead of patting ourselves on the back about how smart we are?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:31 AM

"We?"

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:39 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, can we now start talking about how we're going to FIX this "evil Empire" problem, instead of patting ourselves on the back about how smart we are?

First, we make sure Obama is out of office and Hillary doesn't get elected and our next president is a Russian lapdog, then...

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:40 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
And you think YOU'D be allowed to vote??? You sound like one of those self-righteous who believes that THEY'RE going up to heaven when the rapture comes; personally I wonder if you'd even make it on the list because I would imagine that your hatred for most people would disqualify you.

Troll - you make everything so personal. Can't we just talk about the issues?

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:46 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, can we now start talking about how we're going to FIX this "evil Empire" problem, instead of patting ourselves on the back about how smart we are?

Sooooo Very Ironical!

Sorry *gasp* please tell us your ideas... My only stipulation is that they aren't pie in the sky ideas. "Wouldn't it be great if our breakfast cereal made us smarter??"

Real practical possible options that deal with TODAY and not 40 years ago.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:34 AM

lol. You Leftie Lunatics sure must be great at parties these days.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 10:56 AM

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Troll - you make everything so personal. Can't we just talk about the issues?- HSTRING

THIS, from the person who just made this "so personal"!

But by all means, let's talk about the issues ... if you can manage.

How about this: A contest, between you and me, across all threads. First one to veer off-topic into the personal (and that means ascribing POV ie stramanning and name-calling) loses.

Shall we begin?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 11:09 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

ON TOPIC

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please tell us your ideas... My only stipulation is that they aren't pie in the sky ideas. "Wouldn't it be great if our breakfast cereal made us smarter??"

Real practical possible options that deal with TODAY and not 40 years ago.

Or 40 years from now.

Well, first of all ... we have to get to a point of discussing the issues honestly and objectively, which means accepting facts as facts, keeping events in proportion (i.e, not blowing small things out proportion while at the same time ignoring larger events) and responding to the points made, and not to the person making them.

So.

WISHY - The reason why I keep bringing up the past is not because you or I can do anything about it now, but indicates what the source of the problem is ... or at least, what the source of the problem isn't.

I assume that we both agree on what we mean by "Evil Empire" but if you think this needs further clarification now is the time to get that done.

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Assuming that we both mean the same thing ... If we see the same pattern ("Evil Empire") repeating itself over 60 years, whether a Democrat or Republican President is in power, that indicates that the problem isn't with Democrats or Republicans per se, which means that changing Democrats for Republicans ... or vice versa .... isn't going to be the solution. Agreed so far?

And if not, why not?

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 12:03 PM

... stay crunchy...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Troll - you make everything so personal. Can't we just talk about the issues?- HSTRING
THIS, from the person who just made this "so personal"!

But by all means, let's talk about the issues ... if you can manage.

How about this: A contest, between you and me, across all threads. First one to veer off-topic into the personal (and that means ascribing POV ie stramanning and name-calling) loses.

Shall we begin?

You're a Russian booger.

Ok, now we can start.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 1:18 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
How about this: A contest, between you and me, across all threads. First one to veer off-topic into the personal (and that means ascribing POV ie stramanning and name-calling) loses.

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
You're a Russian booger.Ok, now we can start.

Well, GEEBERS just lost. You see, he wakes up thinking about how far he can go being an asshole without getting sued. It's his goal, his raison d'être. Same with THUGGER and RF.

Now, normal people don't do that. But they're not normal. They're sadists who couldn't even try to be normal if their lives depended on it.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 2:10 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, so far, I have not seen any ON TOPIC responses by CC to this, or other, threads.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 4:40 PM

JO753

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Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
Wildlife is dying out due to habitat destruction, overhunting, toxic pollution, invasion by alien species and climate change. But the ultimate cause of all of these factors is “human overpopulation and continued population growth, and overconsumption, especially by the rich”...

Do you ever woc daytime trash TV? Splooj monkeyz & nasty baby factoryz. It can make you consider the possibility that the NRA, tobacco industry, drug industry, etc are the good guyz.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"woc"

wass? woek? woess? wuss? wak? wuhss? wawss? wawk?

What IS the word?

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 5:51 PM

Jeez. She needs you to spell it out for her what the word is before "daytime television?? No...it was just a jab.
Rather pointless one, at that.

Oh and Sig, I don't know if I would pass...but I'm pretty sure YOU WOULDN'T.

Once they got the chapter on not being manipulative you'd have to leave.

Seriously, if you want to stop being called Russian, stop posting shit a Russian Bot would post. I think most of us see the news and can lay pretty damn good odds on what you'll post by now and it's ALWAYS in line with their ideology...

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 6:20 PM

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Originally posted by Wishimay:

Seriously, if you want to stop being called Russian, stop posting shit a Russian Bot would post. I think most of us see the news and can lay pretty damn good odds on what you'll post by now and it's ALWAYS in line with their ideology...

And exactly what they all say, at the same time.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 7:13 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Seriously, if you want to stop being called Russian, stop posting shit a Russian Bot would post. I think most of us see the news and can lay pretty damn good odds on what you'll post by now and it's ALWAYS in line with their ideology... - WISHY

And exactly what they all say, at the same time. - RF

Like YOU would know what "they" say?

Maybe you could try reading Glenn Greenwald, or Matt Taibbi*, or Seymour Hirsch, or Jeremy Scahill once in a while. Yannop, get out of your comfort zone. Altho I have to say, if you had been around in the 60s, your heads would have collectively exploded!

*He once described Goldman Sachs as

Quote:
"The world's most powerful investment bank is a great vampire squid wrapped around the face of humanity, relentlessly jamming its blood funnel into anything that smells like money."

What an awesome quote!

In the meantime, it was you, WISHY, who described the United States as the Evil Empire. What do YOU suppose is the source of this, and what is the solution (besides total annihilation of the human species, that is)?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:04 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

woc

"No...it was just a jab. Rather pointless one, at that." You act like you know. What's that word?

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 8:35 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

In the meantime, it was you, WISHY, who described the United States as the Evil Empire. What do YOU suppose is the source of this, and what is the solution (besides total annihilation of the human species, that is)?

Never claimed to know. All I know is what is making EVERYTHING worse, and it's Trumptards. Saw a graph the other day of all the states where all these tariff affected goods are made, and that the vast majority are from the south. He's screwing HIS OWN BASE AND THEY LOVE HIM FOR IT. They will have to fail completely before they get who is to blame. I've never seen a bigger indicator of mental illness in my life...

Kiki...It's WATCH. WATCH DAYTIME TV. Yeah, it needs an H, but it's not really important...is it?

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:12 PM

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Never claimed to know.

You, the smartest person in your city, doesn't know?

How about putting those troubleshooting skills to work and coming up with a concept?

ETA: I gather that you did some home renovation. I'm sure that you solved a number of problems along the way, so you probably have some troubleshooting experience. Well, in order to fix something, you have to first identify the problem. It doesn't help to change a lightbulb if the problem is the light switch. That's why I'm appealing to your troubleshooting skills ... if you've developed them thru hard experience, they can be useful in areas outside of your original experience. Just a thought.

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Tuesday, July 10, 2018 9:20 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Kiki...It's WATCH. WATCH DAYTIME TV. Yeah, it needs an H, but it's not really important...is it?"

Oh, OK. Thanks! It looked like a verb. Without it, I couldn't understand the entire sentence.

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Friday, July 13, 2018 5:23 PM

https://apnews.com/07f9256ae1984362ba3eff192b4d6dd0/Pence-family-gas-s
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"Draining the swamp" takes on a new horrible facet...

GARDEN CITY, Ind. (AP) — Vice President Mike Pence turns nostalgic when he talks about growing up in small-town Columbus, Indiana, where his father helped build a Midwestern empire of more than 200 gas stations that provided an upbringing on the “front row of the American dream.”

The collapse of Kiel Bros. Oil Co. in 2004 was widely publicized. Less known is that the state of Indiana — and, to a smaller extent, Kentucky and Illinois — are still on the hook for millions of dollars to clean up more than 85 contaminated sites across the three states, including underground tanks that leaked toxic chemicals into soil, streams and wells.

(Mike Pence's brother) Greg Pence wasn't out of work for long. Within months, Daniels appointed him deputy commissioner of the Department of Environmental Management, the same agency fighting Kiel Bros. in court. Pence stepped down after only a few months, however, and returned to the petroleum business.

“Why did we absolve the company that we think the problem started with?” said Kevin Butler, a former teacher whose father was one of the first to smell the oil. “It just doesn’t seem very logical that this problem would be centered to this area, and confined to this area, if it wasn’t the responsibility of that company.”

Indiana has since spent more than $860,000 cleaning up the petroleum. The EPA estimates it could cost $320,000 to $1.6 million to take care of the TCE, which taxpayers will likely foot the bill for.

After Kiel Bros. filed for bankruptcy, more than 500 creditors sought more than $150 million from the company, with the state of Indiana filing one of the largest claims, records show

So basically, they dropped the businesses when they realized how much it would cost to clean them up, and then got appointed to the Dept. of Environmental Management as a cover-up.

Fucking Rethuglicans...

"Don't regulate MY business because I can't make as much money poisoning people."

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Friday, July 13, 2018 5:28 PM

Make your money, then stiff the taxpayers. How Republican.

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Friday, July 13, 2018 7:42 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-indictments-congressional-candi
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Guesses per the comment section...
Dana Rohrabacher; Devin Nunes; Jim Jordan; Mark Gaetz; or Mark Meadows.

Edited to add:
That was quick...

Roger Stone says he is the unnamed Trump campaign official who communicated with an online persona that Special Counsel Robert Mueller alleges is a Russian government-backed hacker

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Saturday, July 14, 2018 10:05 AM