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I'm not destroying McCain's reputation, merely clarifying it. Most vets disagree with McCain politically, but hated Trump's comment. OTOH, it was Trump that helped bring Korean MIAs home, not McCain.

On the issue of POWs/MIAs, vets were LIVID that McCain helped hide information within the bowels of the bureaucracy. Why would McCain almost single-handedly block legislation that the entire House voted for? Why would he NOT want to disseminate information that would help settle the status of MIAs/POWs? Plus, McCain's persistent cozying up to tyrants, terrorists, nazis, and jihadists is a matter of record.

There is a tendency to write about famous people as if they were saints after they die. It's called "hagiography".

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Almost nobody deserves worshipful words; in fact, I think Malcom Reynolds said it best when he commented that nearly everyone who had a statue erected was some kind of sumbitch or another. So let's keep McCain's "legacy" in realistic perspective, okay?

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I'm sure it's because Rachel Maddow or one of the other Leftist clowns have been telling them what a hero he is, all because he had some negative things to say about Trump.

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Sig thinks her opinion of McCain means something. It doesn't and the country thinks this as well comrade. Just watch the news.

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It's called swift boating comrade sig. No surprise you'll do anything , post anything to destroy the reputation of a good American. That's what russian trolls do.

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First of all, I find it funny that our trolls here have nothing but praise for a war-monger who promoted policies and actions that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And he is PERSONALLY a war criminal, since his last bombing run, during which he was shot down, targeted a civilian power plant - which is a war crime.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant
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Second, I noticed people have nothing factual to counter your abundantly documented facts. Literally all they have in their (admittedly puny) minds is trolling. And more trolling.

Finally, I predict that in reply to your factual posts and mine, they will PERSONALLY troll us some more in three ... two ...

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I was watching a good TV Show, a rare experience, when ABC interrupted for more fawning over their favorite R-coded Libtard.

Some highlights:
I keep forgetting that he graduated the Naval Academy at the absolute bottom of his Class, despite having an Admiral father.

No mention of his accomplishment of being the only American in all of history to single-handed fatally damage, destroy and Decommission an entire Aircraft Carrier.




Such a complete failure all his life, but this can be accredited to his severe bout of Libtardism.

The worst self-claimed Republican has died. May he open his eyes soon.

Now so many Patriotic American Veterans can have a far less despising animosity towards GOP members. So many have felt stabbed in the back with every sighting of McCain, he has been a nonstop thorn in the side of Patriotic Veterans for so long.

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First of all, I find it funny that our trolls here have nothing but praise for a war-monger who promoted policies and actions that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And he is PERSONALLY a war criminal, since his last bombing run, during which he was shot down, targeted a civilian power plant - which is a war crime.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant
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Second, I noticed people have nothing factual to counter your abundantly documented facts. Literally all they have in their (admittedly puny) minds is trolling. And more trolling.

Finally, I predict that in reply to your factual posts and mine, they will PERSONALLY troll us some more in three ... two ...

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You Right Wing Nuts make me laugh. You call Republicans Democrats because your dickless orange leader doesn't know shit from shinola, and commands it. So you guys follow along like good little geese (swear to God, they juggle them).

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You march to the drum beat and high-step with tiki-torch in hand, misinformed and filled with righteous indignation because you claim superiority based on skin pigmentation (or regional superiority).

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Those tiki-torch carrying regionally-superior goose-steppers that you refer to?

JOHN McCAIN SUPPORTED THEM IN UKRAINE.



Activists of the Svoboda (Freedom) and Right Sector Ukrainian nationalist parties hold torches as they take part in a rally to mark the 106th birth anniversary of Stepan Bandera, one of the founders of the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), in Kiev January 1, 2015.

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Check where the civilized world began.

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And here you are denigrating a man who had BALLS. Fuck politics! He put his life on the line so "we" could sit with our collective thumbs up our asses and protest against foreign wars and ideologies that we haven't a motherfucking clue.

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When you advocate for carpet-bombing a nation with which we were not at war (Cambodia) ... but don't learn from that "mistake" and go on to support right-wing death squads in Central America ... and don't learn from that "mistake" but go on to support takfiri terrorists on Bosnia ... but don't learn from THAT mistake but go on to support a corrupt dictatorial politician in Georgia .... but don't learn from THAT "mistake" and go on to support Nazis in Ukraine .... and ISIL in Syria ...

At some point, son, it stops being "mistake" and starts being a built-in character flaw.

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Did I always agree with him... Hell No! Am I kissing his ring? Fuck No! But what tickles me is how you guys like to ridicule anyone that doesn't agree with you and then call out those who have the nerve to acknowledge a man's legacy;

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Oh, no, I AM acknowledging his "legacy". It's a legacy of dead bodies and foreign interventions everywhere he went! If you can think of another legacy, let me know.

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OK, GSTRING, LET'S "fuck politics".

WITHOUT POLITICS (and his wife's considerable fortune) JOHN MCCAIN WOULD NEVER BE REMEMBERED. I'm sure there were dozens ... if not hundreds or thousands ... of servicemen and women who volunteered for Vietnam, and who took far more dangerous positions than he did, coming in at the bottom and not at the top ... who fought more bravely and heroically, and who sacrificed more, including those who sacrificed their lives ... not because it was a "career path" but because they truly did believe that they were fighting for something noble.

Do you see THEM lying in state???
No?
So yeah ... let's shelve all of that political hoopla and let McCain be buried as a normal serviceman, and given a typical military funeral, and skip the spasmodic and hypocritical outpouring of "grief". John McCain was a genial guy who wormed his way into the bosom of national politics; without that he'd be nationally forgettable.

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I'm not, nor have I ever been right wing, SGG.
The other day, I dug this thread up that I created many, many moons ago here. Now is as good a time as any to use it as a rebuttal to a post...
Dated October 6th, 2008:

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I've made up my mind that I'm voting for Obama.
Not for the reasons that you think, I assure you.
I know a third party vote This Time means nothing.....
I just want the Democrats to win and have all three of the big spots to themselves.
And then I want you to witness how nothing changes on Wall Street.
And then I want you to see that healthcare won't get any better, except by raising taxes on smokers (and probalby fat snacks) by 100%.
And then I want you to acknowledge that we're never leaving Iraq in this, our rotten-to-the-core two party system.
And MOST of all, in 4 years I want you to remember George W Bush and the hell his administration has brought to every single one of us little guys.
After all of that, I would think that voting for a third party to oust these anti-American bastards might just be a fun thing to do, just to see if it could possibly get any worse....
Two sides of the same coin is all, says the Donkey....
RIP in 2012 if we don't wake up.

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I haven't changed at all politically. It's you wack job lefties that have over the course of the last decade. The fact that you're rallying around a slug like McCain in 2018 is all the proof anybody needs to see that.

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McCain - history highlights of this peace-loving, anti-war Senator in office 1987 - 2018:

voted for (by unanimous consent) "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution" 1991 (Gulf War)

voted for American air assault of Yugoslavia (1999)

voted for "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists" 2001
“We should make an immediate statement of our resolve that we no longer intend to tolerate sanction given to our enemies by any nation…Should the Taliban refuse our demand, then they must know that they will be treated as allies of our enemy, and, thus, are themselves our enemies, and will suffer much for their allegiance.”

voted for “Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution” 2002
“Leaders always have choices, and history teaches that hard choices deferred—appeasing Hitler, choosing not to deter Saddam Hussein in 1990, failing to act sooner against Al Qaeda—often bring about the very circumstances we wished to avoid by deferring action, requiring us to react in freedom’s defense. America’s leaders today have a choice. It will determine whether our people live in fear behind walls that have already been breached, as our enemies plan our defeat in time we have given them to do it.”

promoted US bombing of Libya
“I would arm, train, equip, both from without and from within, forces that would eventually overthrow the governments and install free and democratically-elected governments” (2000). “it does take time, as it did during the period of the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. But we were able to provide them with some weapons and wherewithal to cause the Russians to leave Afghanistan. So we can do it” (2012).

promoted "The Authorization for the Use of Military Force Against the Government of Syria"
“Providing military assistance to the Free Syrian Army and other opposition groups is necessary, but at this late hour, that alone will not be sufficient to stop the slaughter and save innocent lives. The only realistic way to do so is with foreign air power.”

And let's not forget his position on Iran

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Well, I think that those who think McCain is a saint because he was a POW and has since died should re-examine HOW they got to the point of lionizing a war-criminal/war-monger and perhaps tweak their thinking so they don't make the same mistake again. Yanno, learn from the mistakes of the past, and figure out how not to do that again.

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First of all, I find it funny that our trolls here have nothing but praise for a war-monger who promoted policies and actions that killed hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people. And he is PERSONALLY a war criminal, since his last bombing run, during which he was shot down, targeted a civilian power plant - which is a war crime.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/08/10/gaza-widespread-impact-power-plant
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Second, I noticed people have nothing factual to counter your abundantly documented facts. Literally all they have in their (admittedly puny) minds is trolling. And more trolling.

Finally, I predict that in reply to your factual posts and mine, they will PERSONALLY troll us some more in three ... two ...

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I was watching a good TV Show, a rare experience, when ABC interrupted for more fawning over their favorite R-coded Libtard.

Some highlights:
I keep forgetting that he graduated the Naval Academy at the absolute bottom of his Class, despite having an Admiral father.

No mention of his accomplishment of being the only American in all of history to single-handed fatally damage, destroy and Decommission an entire Aircraft Carrier.




Such a complete failure all his life, but this can be accredited to his severe bout of Libtardism.

The worst self-claimed Republican has died. May he open his eyes soon.

Now so many Patriotic American Veterans can have a far less despising animosity towards GOP members. So many have felt stabbed in the back with every sighting of McCain, he has been a nonstop thorn in the side of Patriotic Veterans for so long.

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Awww, poor baby.....did the Big Bad MSM interrupt the latest episode of the Bachelorette, the bastards. You should write them a letter.

"Dear ABC, you interrupted my favorite show...you big brutes!"
Bwah hahhahaha!

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It was Good Doctor, with Freddie Highmore.

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WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

But when wartime comes, and come it will, I want the toughest, meanest motherfucker on the planet to Ready, Aim, Fire!

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WAR! What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.

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Once and for all? You mean killing people will permanently rid the world of enemies? If that were the case, the Revolutionary War should have done it.

I can't tell if you're so blinded by emotion you can't understand the limits of your thinking, or if you're letting your rhetoric get out of control into incomprehensible irrationality while you try and convince/ rally people.

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There are a few schools of thought on 9-11. One of them thinks that it was so convenient to our warp plans that it must have had help ... and lots of explosives... from our very own government. A "Make It Happen on Purpose" (MIHOP). Others think that our deep state KNEW about the upcoming terror attack, but did nothing to foil it, a Let It Happen On Purpose (LIHOP). A third group thinks that this was an almost total surprise, but then the government did a lot of cover up Saudi and Israeli complicity.

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There are a few schools of thought on 9-11. One of them thinks that it was so convenient to our war* [corrected] plans that it must have had help ... and lots of explosives... from our very own government. A "Make It Happen on Purpose" (MIHOP). Others think that our deep state KNEW about the upcoming terror attack, but did nothing to foil it, a Let It Happen On Purpose (LIHOP). A third group thinks that this was an almost total surprise, but then the government did a lot of cover up Saudi and Israeli complicity.

I really haven't made up my mind about what happened, but I'm kind of hovering around LIHOP.

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We, OTOH, have bombed, droned, invaded and/or destroyed a whole roster of nations in the Mideast, Eastern Europe, Central America, and N Africa. Plus we have about 1000 military installations around the world, including at least a dozen in equatorial and southern Africa.

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THOUSANDS of architects and engineers, studying how the 9-11 building fell, believe that the 9-11 Commission was a whitewash. Here is the website of those architects. engineers, and the skeptical public (especially relatives of 9-11 victims).

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In order to come to a reasoned decision about whether or not the buildings were brought down by explosion, I would myself have to be an architect or an engineer and study their propositions in detail. I know that they focus on Building No 7, which collapsed even though it was never struck, but if people are skeptical that No 7 could fall like a controlled demolition but accept that the Twin Towers could, that doesn't make sense. I think it has to be an "all or nothing" argument. Also, I have not parsed in detail the "evidence" that purports to show when and how explosives were planted.

I KNOW for a fact that Bush let Saudis fly out of the country immediately afterwards, when all (other) planes were grounded, and I find it odd that Bush would only testify before the 9-11 Commission NOT under oath, and only if he could hold Dick Cheney's hand. I base my opinion on the fact that all kinds of hinky things went on immediately before and after 9-11; not about the rehash it here but it certainly looks like a cover-up to me.

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No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

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No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

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No more or less than the 19 April 1995 attack on the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building (Timothy McVeigh). Neither was done by state actors that allowed for military response against a particular country. That's why Bush the Younger had to create an invalid legal category - in terms of international law - called the "War on Terror" to obfuscate sending military troops to attack other countries.

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Both of those are after 1941.

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Her point is that neither was an act of war as defined by international law.

The "War on Terror" is no more legitimate than the "War on Drugs" is.

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Her point is that neither was an act of war as defined by international law.

The "War on Terror" is no more legitimate than the "War on Drugs" is.

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She had said that US land had not been attacked since 1941.
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belated, but better late than never

Here's my full quote: "When war comes to the US, yes, let's defend ourselves with everything we've got. But when was the last time US land was attacked? I think that would have been 1941. Everything since then has been a war of choice."

I was SPECIFICALLY referencing war. I mentioned it twice.

The UN defines an aggressor nation as the nation that first uses armed force: "Aggression is the use of armed force by a State against the sovereignty, territorial integrity or political independence of another State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations, as set out in this Definition." And "The First use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression."


Since neither 9/11 nor the Murrah bombing involved a foreign state's military attack on the country, neither is considered an act of war. The US homeland has not been subject to military attack since Pearl Harbor. None of our military actions (except Korea, which was a UN police action) since then can be considered a defense against an act of war. I believe that makes us the aggressor nation in those instances.

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We, OTOH, have bombed, droned, invaded and/or destroyed a whole roster of nations in the Mideast, Eastern Europe, Central America, and N Africa. Plus we have about 1000 military installations around the world, including at least a dozen in equatorial and southern Africa.

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This is what I don't get. We didn't have to explain this to Democrats before Obama got his Nobel Peace Prize.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
A couple of things:

1- Didn't the Russian Army get their asses handed to them when they invaded
Afghanistan? You know by the Mujahideen (called Freedom Fighters in
1979)

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