Russia wants to upend Western democracy by THGRRI

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:22 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Reddit's Largest Pro-Trump Subreddit Appears To Have Been Targeted By Russian Propaganda For Years

A handful of articles from websites with connections to Russia's infamous troll factory have been shared thousands of times on /r/The_Donald.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanhatesthis/reddits-largest-pro-trump-subre
ddit-appears-to-have-been

.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.

GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!

And this:

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
How much do they pay you?

... saved for a rainy day.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:26 PM

You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?

Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you.

https://www.x-rates.com/calculator/?from=RUB&to=USD&amount=1

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:28 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:
You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?

Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you.

https://www.x-rates.com/calculator/?from=RUB&to=USD&amount=1

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:30 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

I'm just curious how often you'll duck a topical response to your ridiculous post.

.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.

GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:33 PM

They can't help but identify themselves as russian trolls reaverfan. They defend russia against anything and everything negative said about the Bolshevik state. All the while posting anything and everything negative they can find or make up about the United States.

Hey comrades

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:40 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by THG:
They can't help but identify themselves as russian trolls reaverfan. They defend russia against anything and everything negative said about the Bolshevik state. All the while posting anything and everything negative they can find or make up about the United States.

Hey comrades

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THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:41 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:

I'm just curious how often you'll duck a topical response to your ridiculous post.

.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.

GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see.

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Monday, September 24, 2018 1:54 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see. - THUgR

It's LIAR, not lair.

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You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you. -SHITHITTHE

This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:04 PM

Army is considering more electronic warfare teams, longer tours

KAISERSLAUTERN, Germany – The Army is adding more personnel to its electronic warfare and air defense teams to keep up with emerging global threats, Army Secretary Mark Esper said following discussions with servicemembers and officials in Germany on Monday.

The Army’s transition comes at a time when it is reshaping its force to deal with potential threats from near-peer adversaries like Russia and away from counterinsurgency campaigns that have dominated recent U.S. warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan.

https://www.stripes.com/news/esper-army-is-considering-more-electronic
-warfare-teams-longer-tours-1.548970

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:33 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

THUGR ... Before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.

So, what are the bases of our democracy?

Well, we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:

Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/

I frankly do not see how Russia HAS interfered with any of this, and altho I can imagine how Russia COULD interfere with the vote- for example, by literally hacking the voter rolls or the count, the rest of it is up to us, isn't it?

All of the transgressions of our democracy have been by OUR GOVERNMENT, as far as I can tell.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:38 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see. - THUgR
It's LIAR, not lair.

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You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you. -SHITHITTHE

This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.

The truth stings, doesn't it?

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 12:44 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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Just look at your signature regarding me kiki. That there shows who the lair is. It's there for all to see. - THUgR
It's LIAR, not lair.

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You're a Russian troll. How much do they pay you?
Here's the rubles-to-dollars calculator for you. -SHITHITTHE

This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.

The truth stings, doesn't it?

My responses to Sigs posts are pretty consistent. Fuck you comrade troll.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:30 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.-SIGNY

The truth stings, doesn't it? -SHIT

Yes, and you should know.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 1:31 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

THUGR, please stop running way from this challenge:

Quote:
THUGR ... Before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.

So, what are the bases of our democracy?

Well, we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:

Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/

I frankly do not see how Russia HAS interfered with any of this, and altho I can imagine how Russia COULD interfere with the vote- for example, by literally hacking the voter rolls or the count, the rest of it is up to us, isn't it?

All of the transgressions of our democracy have been by OUR GOVERNMENT, as far as I can tell.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2018 4:07 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

This is what REAVER resorts to whenever he has NOTHING ... and I mean NOTHING ... relevant to post. Wow, what a troll.-SIGNY

The truth stings, doesn't it? -SHIT
Yes, and you should know.

Sig is arguing with herself again. I find that funny. Does anyone else find that funny?

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 3:04 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

THUGGER,

I'm just curious how often you'll duck a topical response to your ridiculous post.

.a handful. .thousands. .OMG. In a country of 365+ million people and a daily online space of trillions of tweets, posts, and shares, a handful - five or less - out of trillions, have been shared thousands of times, maybe even as few as 2,000 - out of trillions.

GRAB YOUR GUN, GRANNY RF!!! THEY'RE AT THE DOOR !!!!!!!!!!!!

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:40 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

It looks like THUGR doesn't even know what democracy is.

Quote:
THUGR ... Before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.

So, what are the bases of our democracy?

Well, we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:

Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/

I frankly do not see how Russia HAS interfered with any of this, and altho I can imagine how Russia COULD interfere with the vote- for example, by literally hacking the voter rolls or the count, the rest of it is up to us, isn't it?

All of the transgressions of our democracy have been by OUR GOVERNMENT, as far as I can tell.

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:13 PM

I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections.

comrade

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 1:27 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I see THUGR continues to run away from his very own thesis of "protecting democracy".

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 2:00 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections.

comrade

T

And not just in the US.

These Countries Have Been the Target of Russian Election Interference
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/nations-russia-putin-
election-interference.html/

According to a report from USA Today, Russia has interfered in dozens of elections since 2004. The total adds up to 27 countries over the course of 12 years, but it appears that none have been more consequential than last year’s presidential race. Again, though — 2016 looks like it was just the tip of the iceberg. Since November 2016, Russia has been hard at it in other countries, too.

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 5:34 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see comrade kiki is still trying to push the tired narrative nothing to see folks move on. Despite the fact that there is an investigation into all of this. An investigation so involved the world is not only watching but saying me too. An investigation that shows the Russians were up to their necks in interfering into our elections.

comrade

T
And not just in the US.

These Countries Have Been the Target of Russian Election Interference
https://www.cheatsheet.com/culture/states-cities/nations-russia-putin-
election-interference.html/

According to a report from USA Today, Russia has interfered in dozens of elections since 2004. The total adds up to 27 countries over the course of 12 years, but it appears that none have been more consequential than last year’s presidential race. Again, though — 2016 looks like it was just the tip of the iceberg. Since November 2016, Russia has been hard at it in other countries, too.

Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.

I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, September 27, 2018 11:35 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.- SIX

Apparently nobody wants to, altho there are more than a few examples of us interfering with bullets instead of a few tweets.

******

Anyway, I'd like to get back to THUGR's concern that Russia wants to "upend Western democracy". I think before we start worrying about "western" democracy, let's start with worrying about OURS.

So, what are the bases of our democracy? As I posted before, I think we can look to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for our clues:

Separation of powers.
States' rights.
Right to vote.
Free speech.
Right to own weapons.
Freedom from warrantless search and seizure.
Due process, equal to all.
Right to a speedy public trial by a jury of peers.
No excessive bail.
https://constitution.com/bill-rights/

How has Russia upended them?

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The reason why I keep coming back to the question of what it takes to protect ... or conversely, upend ... democracy is because I see so many people actually trampling democracy in their (presumed) rush to "protect" it.

Let's start with 9-11, an attack (of some sort) on America. People were killed, and terror was instilled in the hearts of many. And yet, instead of PROTECTING our democracy by preserving the very protections and freedoms that are supposed to be its basis, the Bush administration whipped out a (conveniently pre-written) piece of legislation called the Patriot Act which allows our so-called "security agencies" broad powers such as the Founding Fathers never dreamed: "sneak and peek" searches; warrants that are so secret that merely revealing their existence is a crime; warrantless access to commercially-kept records; cooperation between the CIA, FSA, and FBI etc etc. Between that, the creation of "Homeland Security"; the (secret) institution of near-universal warrantless electronic surveillance; and the imprisonment and execution of American citizens without a jury trial I think Bush and Obama did more to destroy "democracy" than bin Laden ever did.

That's just one example; I hope that THUGR, REAVER, etc will come to the defense of democracy and tell us how it can be saved without being destroyed in the process.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 2:17 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:
[That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.

Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

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Friday, September 28, 2018 5:37 AM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.

I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

We've always meddled in other countries. That doesn't make what Putin does okay. He's the richest, most powerful man in the world, and he didn't get there by giving a shit about anyone else.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 8:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Would anybody like to reply to this with a list of all of the international governments that we've interfered with in the last few decades? Please feel free to go back as far as you'd like if you're bored.

I'm not saying that I condone Russia's interference. I'm just pointing out that anybody vilifying Russia for doing this is either completely ignorant of what exactly it is that the US Government does, or is so full of hubris that they think we should be the only ones doing it. The latter being entirely hypocritical coming from someone who has such a high opinion of the UN in relation to American politics.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
We've always meddled in other countries. That doesn't make what Putin does okay. He's the richest, most powerful man in the world, and he didn't get there by giving a shit about anyone else.

Again. I never said it was okay.

All I said was that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, September 28, 2018 11:05 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by THGRRI:

[That is hilarious coming from a Russian troll. Someone who is trying to delegitimize the main stream media in America by claiming they are all fake news.

Yep hilarious too, because it's your guy Trump who's trying to do that as well.

THUGGER admits it's not about RUSSIA !!! and is, in fact, a witch hunt. "Trump better be innocent of any wrong doing, anywhere, anytime."

What our stupid russian defending trolls have yet to figure out, is that if you read the thread you see who defends russia and who does not. If you read any of the threads that mention russia you see who deflects negative stories away and defends russia, and who it is that posts the factual negative stories about russia.

comrade

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Friday, September 28, 2018 12:47 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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What our stupid russian defending trolls have yet to figure out, is that if you read the thread you see who defends russia and who does not.

What our stupid troll THUGR has yet to figure out is that this isn't about "attacking" of "defending" Russia (or at least, it shouldn't be), but DEFENDING OUR DEMOCRACY.

So THUGR, is there any way to "defend" democracy WITHOUT trampling it to death in an eagerness to attack other countries?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Friday, September 28, 2018 1:45 PM

No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character for a Russian troll.

Mueller says tick tock

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Friday, September 28, 2018 1:48 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character of a Russian troll.

T

Hard to "defend our democracy" when you live in an entirely different country on the other side of the world. Siggy doesn't live in our democracy, if it can be called that.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 2:17 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
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Originally posted by THG:

No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character of a Russian troll.

Hard to "defend our democracy" when you live in an entirely different country on the other side of the world. Siggy doesn't live in our democracy, if it can be called that.

It's obvious in many of her posts she is clueless about how our democratic institutions work. Her posts also show she works to undermine those institutions daily.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 2:39 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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No comrade SIG, it's all about getting to the bottom of Putins interference and what he has on Trump that's the threat you refuse to acknowledge. Which is completely in character of a Russian troll.- THUGR

Hard to "defend our democracy" when you live in an entirely different country on the other side of the world. Siggy doesn't live in our democracy, if it can be called that.- SHIT

CUE THE LIBELOUS PERSONAL ATTACK IN 3... 2... 1...

I noticed that you have NOTHING TO SAY ON DEFENDING DEMOCRACY. You two are soooo concerned about Russia, one would almost think that YOU live there.

I've provided one example of how "defending democracy" against "terrorism" has cost us a big chunk ... of our democracy. I can point out similar examples how we, in our stampede to "defend democracy" have done a great deal to undercut it more than any outsider could have done.

So, do you have any ideas how to "defend democracy" without trampling it to death? Or do you just want to continue trampling on the Constitution in your eagerness to attack Russia (or "terrorism", or "fascism")?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Friday, September 28, 2018 2:48 PM

Getting to the bottom of Russia's interference in our elections and finding out why Trump is so beholding to Putin is defending our democracy. Hence the Russia investigation. Only a Russian troll would suggest otherwise.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 2:59 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Getting to the bottom of Russia's

presumed

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interference in our elections and finding out why Trump is so

allegedly

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so beholding [sic] to Putin defending our democracy

Uh huh.

Say, how do you feel about hand-marked ballots, counted by hand? I think that's a better "defense of democracy" than all of your accusations, libel, and spittle, don't you think?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

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Friday, September 28, 2018 3:26 PM

Russian troll's gonna troll.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 3:33 PM

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Russian troll's gonna troll.

She just can't help herself.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 3:39 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, remind me never to pay attention to you any time you say you want to "defend democracy" because ... CLEARLY ... you have no intention of doing any such thing.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Friday, September 28, 2018 3:48 PM

Comrade Sigs goal is always out of her reach. To bad comrade.

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Friday, September 28, 2018 4:58 PM

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Friday, September 28, 2018 11:01 PM

At UN, Russia says meddling claims baseless, slams the US

UNITED NATIONS — Russia’s foreign minister trashed accusations of Russian meddling abroad as “baseless” and used the podium at the U.N.’s biggest event to tear into U.S. policies in Iran, Syria and Venezuela. He later declared that U.S.-Russian relations “are bad and probably at their all-time low.”

In a rapid-fire, unforgiving speech Friday, Sergey Lavrov pounded away at “self-serving” unilateral moves by U.S. President Donald Trump and assailed crippling Western sanctions against Russia as “political blackmail.”

Lavrov deflected accusations of Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election, a nerve agent attack in Britain and other meddling abroad — despite mounting evidence of a broad, coordinated influence campaign.

He criticized “baseless accusations of interference in the internal affairs of certain countries” and turned it around against the West, accusing unnamed forces of “overt endeavors to undermine democratically elected governments,” in an apparent reference to U.S. and EU support for Russia’s neighbors and the Syrian opposition.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/at-un-russia-says-med
dling-claims-baseless-slams-the-us/2018/09/28/36d048b6-c388-11e8-9451-e878f96be19b_story.html?utm_term=.38d8b734628f

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Thursday, October 4, 2018 2:41 PM

Justice Dept. indicts 7 Russian intelligence officers in international hacking scheme
https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/04/politics/justice-department-russian-int
elligence-officers/index.html

The Justice Department on Thursday announced criminal charges against seven Russian intelligence officers, accusing them in a sprawling indictment of hacking, wire fraud, identity theft and money laundering as part of an effort to distract from Russia's state-sponsored doping program.

Three of the defendants were also charged in the hacking of US persons involved in the 2016 election, Assistant Attorney General for the National Security Division John Demers said during a news conference, but the current indictment does not arise out of special counsel Robert Mueller's work.

According to the indictment, all seven defendants are members of the GRU, a Russian Federation intelligence agency within the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Russian military. They are accused of sophisticated cyberintrusions and the victims were anti-doping agencies and officials, sporting federations, and nearly 250 athletes.

In addition to anti-doping agencies, the GRU targeted others, including the Westinghouse Electric Corporation, a nuclear energy company in Pennsylvania.

The indictment alleges the GRU officers used spearphishing emails, fictitious personas and researched their victims.

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Saturday, October 6, 2018 12:19 PM

Nunes buried evidence on Russian meddling to protect Trump. I know because I’m on the committee
https://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/op-ed/article219558065.html

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Saturday, October 6, 2018 12:26 PM

Republican Congressman Dana Rohrabacher and his ties to Russian Operative Natalia Veselnitskaya.

Two months ago Republican Congressman Rohrabacher was defending and normalizing Russia's attacks against the U.S.[1]

Republican Congressman Rohrabacher and President Trump were two individuals that Republican House Majority leader Kevin McCarthy claimed were paid by Putin. It was during this conversation where Republican Speaker of the House Paul Ryan interjected and swore those present to secrecy, stopping the conversation.[2]

"There’s two people I think Putin pays: Rohrabacher and Trump,” McCarthy (R-Calif.) said, according to a recording of the June 15, 2016

... Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks. . . . This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

One of the Russian operatives present at the infamous Trump Tower meeting,[3] Natalia Veselnitskaya - an outspoken opponent of the Magnitsky Act,[4] was present at a black-tie inauguration event hosted by Congressman Rohrabacher.[5] Congressman Rohrabacher met with Julian Assange in 2017, he attempted to convince President Trump to absolve Assange of any legal troubles he may face in the United States.[6]

Yesterday Russian Deputy Attorney General Saak Karapetyan was killed in a helicopter accident in Russia, he directed Russian operative Natalia Veselnitskaya.^[7]

Bloomberg - Rep. Rohrabacher Likens U.S. Actions to Russian Meddling

Washington Post - House majority leader to colleagues in 2016: ‘I think Putin pays’ Trump

New York Times - Trump Team Met With Lawyer Linked to Kremlin During Campaign

The Atlantic - Why Does the Kremlin Care So Much About the Magnitsky Act?

Washington Post - In the crowd at Trump’s inauguration, members of Russia’s elite anticipated a thaw between Moscow and Washington

CNBC - A GOP congressman reportedly offered Trump a deal on absolving WikiLeaks' Assange

Radio Free Europe Radio Liberty - Russian Prosecutor Linked to Trump Tower Lawyer, Other Kremlin Intrigue, Dies In Chopper Crash

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Saturday, October 6, 2018 12:38 PM

Republican Congressman and House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes has been covering up the Russia/Trump scandal, he preemptively shut down the House Intelligence Investigation.

Representative Nunes and other leaders of the Republican party have been complicit in allowing a foreign adversary attack the United States of America. In fact they are openly inviting further interference.

4th of July, 2018 A group of Republican Senators travel to Moscow and meet Foreign Minister Lavrov.[1] Russian state propaganda brazenly asserted that “Trump is ours,” and joke that the U.S. lawmakers traveled to Russia *“to make deals with our hackers, so they can rig the midterms in favor of Trump’s team."*[2]

18th of July, 2018 House Republicans refuse to renew election security funding.[3]

1st of August, 2018 Republican Senators block $250 million amendment for election security.[4]

1st of August, 2018 In a joint press conference top Trump administration officials Secretary of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen, Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats, FBI Director Chris Wray, National Security Advisor John Bolton, and NSA Director General Paul Nakasone accuse Russia of continuing their information warfare and election meddling against the United States of America.[5]

6th of August, 2018 Republican Senator Rand Paul invites Russian politicians to Washington.[6]

8th of August, 2018 Republican Senator Rand Paul visits Moscow and delivers a letter from President Trump to President Vladimir Putin.[7]

25th of September, 2018 Senator Rand Paul filed an amendment to remove Russia sanctions.[8]

President Trump and the Republican party leadership have been complicit in refusing to address Russian aggression, in fact they are inviting more interference. Russia is taking full advantage of America's biggest weakness - their division on what to do about Russia as many GOP lawmakers refuse to admit that Russia is actively attacking American institutions and infrastructure. For example a recording of Republican Congressman Devin Nunes talking at a GOP fundraiser was leaked recently, he implored the guests to support him and the Republican party so that they could protect President Trump from the Russia probe.[9] Representative Nunes is the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, he led a vote in the committee to shut down their Russia probe investigation several months ago.[10] Devin Nunes put an end to the investigation when we know of at least 70 contacts between the Trump team and Russia-linked operatives, the committee obtained either no or incomplete information about 81% of known contacts between Trump officials and Russians.[11]

Roll Call - Senate Republicans Meet Lavrov in Moscow Ahead of Trump-Putin Summit

Washington Post - On Russian state TV, Putin has already won the summit with Trump

Washington Post - House GOP refuses to renew election security funding as Democrats fume over Russian interference

Wall Street Journal - Senate Republicans Block $250 Million Election Security Measure

BBC - US accuses Russia of 'pervasive' election meddling

Reuters - Senator Rand Paul invites Russian lawmakers to Washington

Politico - Rand Paul delivers letter from Trump to Putin

Courier Journal - Report: Sen. Rand Paul files amendment to remove Russia sanctions

PBS - Secret recording highlights Nunes’ concern with protecting Trump in Russia probe

Reuters - Republicans shut down House Russia probe over Democratic objections

NBC - House probe overlooked most Trump-Russia contacts, report claims

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Saturday, October 6, 2018 1:10 PM

Would Trump be president without Russia? Probably not, says Penn prof. Kathleen Hall Jamieson
https://www.thedp.com/article/2018/10/kathleen-hall-jamieson-russia-20
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"“First, I wouldn’t call it Russian meddling— that’s a benign term and I don’t think anything they did was benign,” Jamieson said.

For her, it’s a vital distinction. When the press uses words such as “meddling” and “interfering,” it can downplay the significance of what occurred, Jamieson said.

“I want to call this cyberattack. We were attacked by the Russians,” Jamieson said.

Jamieson stated the hacking of emails from Hillary Clinton, her campaign chairman, and the Democratic National Committee were attempts to discredit Clinton and frame her as untrustworthy to undecided voters.

“They attacked the private email and private content of candidates and a political party essentially, and then released it into our media system,” Jamieson said.

The main areas of the attack, according to Jamieson, center on Russian hackers spreading misinformation and influencing voters.

“They came into our social media structures and pretended they were other people, pretended they were like us, and used those identities to spread fear and anger and prejudice in ways that were consistent with Donald Trump’s objectives,” Jamieson said."

We've got trolls right here who do the same thing!

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Saturday, October 6, 2018 3:57 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

If "the people" are so weak-minded that they can be influenced by 0.001% content, then there's a lot more wrong with democracy than Russia.

People SHOULD be mentally much more robust to outside ideas; they should be able to parse information rationally no matter what the source; remember what happened ten days .. or ten years... ago; and be able to identify their own interests so that they can judge campaign promises realistically.

It's people who respond purely emotionally, who can't identify their own interests clearly, who are vulnerable to advertising and propaganda who are the biggest weak point in democracy.

The answer to this problem isn't to further infantilize people by packing them in cotton wool and keeping them in the dark, but to equip them with the tools of logic and expose them to "the marketplace of ideas".

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Saturday, October 6, 2018 8:15 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

"Jamieson stated the hacking of emails from Hillary Clinton, her campaign chairman, and the Democratic National Committee were attempts to discredit Clinton and frame her as untrustworthy to undecided voters."

This is misleading. Clinton's (private server on which she conducted State Department official business) was never publicly breached. The fact that she scrubbed the server after it was subpoenaed did, and should have, reflected badly on her as 'untrustworthy. And, since I need to point it out: that was Clinton's decision that had nothing to do with 'Russia'.

Podesta's email was breached in a phishing campaign.

And researchers as well as Assange - who received the emails from a known person - both say the DNC server was not hacked by Russians, it was locally copied to a portable drive by a person with official access.

But hey - never let the facts get in the way of the narrative!

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Sunday, October 7, 2018 10:48 AM