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Originally posted by JO753:
Be scared. Be very scared.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/20/politics/donald-trump-us-arms-agreement
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Why iz Putin making hiz puppet back out uv the missl treaty?

The jeneral idea seemz obvious - he wants to make it look like America iz the instigator, but the spesifics coud giv us a hint uv hiz next big move.

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In 2014, CNN reported that the US had accused Russia of violating the INF Treaty, citing cruise missile tests that dated to 2008. CNN reported in 2014 that the United States at the time informed its NATO allies of Russia's suspected breach.

However, it wasn't until recently that NATO officially confirmed Russia's activity constituted a likely violation.

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"After years of denials, Russia recently acknowledged the existence of a new missile system, called 9M729. Russia has not provided any credible answers on this new missile. All allies agree that the most plausible assessment would be that Russia is in violation of the treaty. It is therefore urgent that Russia addresses these concerns in a substantial and transparent manner."
Moscow's failure to adhere to the agreement was also addressed in the most recent Nuclear Posture Review published by the Defense Department in February, which said Russia "continues to violate a series of arms control treaties and commitments."
"In a broader context, Russia is either rejecting or avoiding its obligations and commitments under numerous agreements and has rebuffed U.S. efforts to follow the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with another round of negotiated reductions and to pursue reductions in non-strategic nuclear forces."

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Administration officials believe the treaty has put the US at a disadvantage because China does not face any constraints on developing intermediate-range nuclear missiles in the Pacific and it does not allow the US to develop new weapons.
Trump, speaking with reporters on Saturday, referenced China when explaining his reasoning for pulling out of the agreement.
"Unless Russia comes to us and China comes to us and they all come to us and say, 'Let's really get smart and let's none of us develop those weapons.' But if Russia's doing it and if China's doing it and we're adhering to the agreement, that's unacceptable," Trump said.

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Outspoken Russian senator Alexey Pushkov tweeted Sunday that the "United States is bringing the world back to the Cold War" in reaction to Trump's decision, which he called a "massive blow to the entire system of strategic stability in the world."

Senior Russian lawmaker Konstantin Kosachev warned on his Facebook page that "the consequences would be truly catastrophic." However, he said it's not official that the US has pulled out of the INF, saying "it's still possible to consider Trump's statement as continuous blackmail rather than a completed legal act."

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"I suspect our European allies right now are none too happy about hearing that President Trump intends to pull out of it," Former State Department spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby, a CNN military and diplomatic analyst said.

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The jeneral idea seemz obvious - he wants to make it look like America iz the instigator, but the spesifics coud giv us a hint uv hiz next big move.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

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Originally posted by JO753:
Be scared. Be very scared.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/20/politics/donald-trump-us-arms-agreement
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Why iz Putin making hiz puppet back out uv the missl treaty?

The jeneral idea seemz obvious - he wants to make it look like America iz the instigator, but the spesifics coud giv us a hint uv hiz next big move.

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Did you even read the article?

Some highlights in case you didn't...

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In 2014, CNN reported that the US had accused Russia of violating the INF Treaty, citing cruise missile tests that dated to 2008. CNN reported in 2014 that the United States at the time informed its NATO allies of Russia's suspected breach.

However, it wasn't until recently that NATO officially confirmed Russia's activity constituted a likely violation.

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"After years of denials, Russia recently acknowledged the existence of a new missile system, called 9M729. Russia has not provided any credible answers on this new missile. All allies agree that the most plausible assessment would be that Russia is in violation of the treaty. It is therefore urgent that Russia addresses these concerns in a substantial and transparent manner."
Moscow's failure to adhere to the agreement was also addressed in the most recent Nuclear Posture Review published by the Defense Department in February, which said Russia "continues to violate a series of arms control treaties and commitments."
"In a broader context, Russia is either rejecting or avoiding its obligations and commitments under numerous agreements and has rebuffed U.S. efforts to follow the New Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START) with another round of negotiated reductions and to pursue reductions in non-strategic nuclear forces."

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And probably most importantly

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Administration officials believe the treaty has put the US at a disadvantage because China does not face any constraints on developing intermediate-range nuclear missiles in the Pacific and it does not allow the US to develop new weapons.
Trump, speaking with reporters on Saturday, referenced China when explaining his reasoning for pulling out of the agreement.
"Unless Russia comes to us and China comes to us and they all come to us and say, 'Let's really get smart and let's none of us develop those weapons.' But if Russia's doing it and if China's doing it and we're adhering to the agreement, that's unacceptable," Trump said.

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So I wonder, why do you seem to be agreeing with high ranking Russian officials who say the following:

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Outspoken Russian senator Alexey Pushkov tweeted Sunday that the "United States is bringing the world back to the Cold War" in reaction to Trump's decision, which he called a "massive blow to the entire system of strategic stability in the world."

Senior Russian lawmaker Konstantin Kosachev warned on his Facebook page that "the consequences would be truly catastrophic." However, he said it's not official that the US has pulled out of the INF, saying "it's still possible to consider Trump's statement as continuous blackmail rather than a completed legal act."

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As for Europe?

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"I suspect our European allies right now are none too happy about hearing that President Trump intends to pull out of it," Former State Department spokesman Rear Adm. John Kirby, a CNN military and diplomatic analyst said.

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Why would that make them unhappy?

We're the only ones who have Europe's back and they're all within firing range of any nukes that both Russia and China have.

You're either going to have to re-think this J0, or you're going to have to be very clear about exactly what your problems with what Trump is doing here are.

I can't blame you for being confused. CNN doesn't seem to know what to think of it either depending upon which paragraph of this article you're reading.

When you say the following, I'm confused at your outlook on this...

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The jeneral idea seemz obvious - he wants to make it look like America iz the instigator, but the spesifics coud giv us a hint uv hiz next big move.

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CNN seems to be unclear about who is the instigator, for sure, but I think it's pretty obvious to anybody who looks at it without CNN's opinions that Russia is the instigator here and has been for possibly a decade. Also, considering that China's influence grows every day and they are not even part of the original agreement this is the right thing to do.

Please let me know if you still think that this is the wrong move and exactly why you think so.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by JO753:
The Q iz why now?.

Going by the unsupportable theory that Trump iz not following Putinz orderz, it seemz to make sens for the US to bak out uv the treaty.

'theyve been cheating for yirz' - true.

'no advantaj for the US' - maybe.

Obama wuz no fan uv Putin, so wy didnt he do this a long time ago? He aint no chimp but Trump iz.

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With Trump making good progress in consolidating hiz power, you haf to wonder wy he did this so close to the midtermz. Haz the game reached a staje in wich this wuz the goal, or just another move?

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Originally posted by JO753:
Commit the crime & blame the Democrats.

This stratejy iz being worn out by Trump and the Republicanz.

Yesterday on Meet the press, Steve King blamed Obama 3 timez for the Khashogi murder!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Do you all know what you remind me of ever since Trump was elected? A two year-old, having a shit-fit of a tantrum in the middle of a grocery store.

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