So.... About this "Caravan" by 6IXSTRINGJACK

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Why don't we start by you telling me: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

Second's for it because it's good for business.

The rest of them are for it because it's part of their programming.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:32 PM

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Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship ...

SECOND- Just a few post ago, your other red line was "deporting illegal aliens" and just a few posts before that, your other OTHER red line was "building the wall". How many red lines do you have??

You're just "flinging handfuls of shit against the wall to see what sticks", and it's one of the reasons why I don't take you seriously: It's obvious that even YOU don't take your posts seriously. At least, not seriously enough to think about them and catch these glaring inconsistencies.

Signym, I don't have redlines. Republicans have redlines. But the silly thing about Republicans is that they cannot understand that Trump isn't protecting them from what they fear. I've been listing some of the ways Trump could actually "protect" them, but he ain't doing anything useful. He just runs his mouth and stirs up their fears. I got a very big sample of confused and blurry thinking of Republicans, yesterday, at Houston Methodist Orthopedics and Sports Medicine in Baytown. The old white Texans were telling each other that MS-13 was about to come into town and murder them, except Trump and the military were the only thing stopping those killers. (Oh, the Caravan is bringing diseases, too, according to this sample of Republican voters.) Republicans are half crazy and completely ignorant. The ladies crapped in their disposable diapers when I started talking to them in Spanish. The guys got mad. I felt awful for how easily they are to upset.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:47 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND, you posted this ...

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Signym, I don't have redlines

right after posting this ...

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Signym, what happens after the election is the test of whether or not Trump is pandering to your fears of illegal aliens in order to get your vote. If Trump does not write that executive order overturning birthright citizenship ...

and this

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A nation needs a wall or else it will cease to be a nation.

and this

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But what is the explanation for Trump not deporting them, since illegal aliens are his bête noire? One possibility: he isn't ever going to do it.

If those aren't "red lines", I don't know what is. It IS possible to do meaningful things against illegal immigration without doing those SPECIFIC things that you've drawn as your "red lines".

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Republicans have redlines. But the silly thing about Republicans is that they cannot understand that Trump isn't protecting them from what they fear. I've been listing some of the ways Trump could actually "protect" them, but he ain't doing anything useful...

No, you're wrong. He's increased the ICE budget, ICE has hired more staff, and 2018 deportations of of "noncriminal" illegals are up 60% over the same time last year because ICE is inspecting MORE EMPLOYERS.

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Among those expelled from the U.S. interior in fiscal 2017, there was a 174 percent increase from the previous year

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He justs runs his mouth and stirs up their fears.

I just showed you that you were wrong, and even YOU know that you're wrong because if Trump was so ineffective, you wouldn't be so scared, defensive, and hostile.

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I got a very big sample of confused and blurry thinking of Republicans, yesterday, at Houston Methodist Orthopedics and Sports Medicine in Baytown. The old white Texans were telling each other that MS-13 was about to come into town and murder them, except Trump and the military were the only thing stopping those killers. Republicans are half crazy and completely ignorant. The ladies crapped in their disposable diapers when I started talking to them in Spanish. The guys got mad. I felt awful for how easily they are to upset.

I can't help what Texas Republicans think. That's not what I think. If you want to argue with them, argue with THEM over there. Don't bring your arguments with them over here.

So, WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:47 PM

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I am not worried about criminal activity from illegal aliens because I am not a coward like Trump voters.

-Sent from my iPhone in the comfort of my plantation in the middle of my lily white upper class 1% violent-crime-free neighborhood

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: How can I possible be "anti-immigrant"? I married one. I even pointed it out a few posts ago!

Yes, I rolled my eyes the first time I read that. Your dad is also an immigrant, so... neither precludes you from loathing these or other immigrants. It does make you a hypocrite though.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
But neither of you are interested in honest dialogue, are you? Your main goal seems to be "winning by any means possible" even if it means bullying, libel, or total dishonesty.

That's a weak lie. Asking you to answer a question is none of those.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
If you want to hear my main argument about illegal aliens, and if you're prepared to respond on-point, I can repeat it, again. But since neither one of you has ever responded on-point before, I doubt that you would this time either.

Shoot - that's also wrong. That's why I asked the follow up questions, which you still haven't answered - third time's a charm?

"Images of illegals with small pox and leprosy getting mowed down as they try to invade our Godly country??? Our righteous military defending the simple, just citizens of America/MAGA heritage!?! You think that would be bad press for Trump and his base? His base just like you are eating this up. I checked out both Fux channels last night and that's all they're talking about. I still see the synagogue massacre on other channels. More telling, it's all that Trump wants to talk about so you know what he and his handlers believe it the most important. Hey - they agree with you! Caravan! Meanwhile, Dem voters are more interested in health care - that's their top concern - so the idea that a secret Dem Dark Force is paying for this doesn't work.

Sorry, you and Fux need to do better.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 12:54 PM

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How can I possible be "anti-immigrant"? I married one. I even pointed it out a few posts ago! - SIGNY

Yes, I rolled my eyes the first time I read that. Your dad is also an immigrant, so... neither precludes you from loathing these or other immigrants. It does make you a hypocrite though.- GSTRING

Wow, are you stupid or what? There is a difference between legal and illegal immigrants, son.

SO, WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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"Images of illegals with small pox and leprosy getting mowed down as they try to invade our Godly country??? Our righteous military defending the simple, just citizens of America MAGA heritage!?! You think that would be bad press for Trump and his base? - GSTRING

I already addressed that and see no reason to answer it AGAIN. Please see one of my previous posts, only THIS time, do a better job of reading!

And since I already answered your question, how about you answer mine:

WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:01 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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"Images of illegals with small pox and leprosy getting mowed down as they try to invade our Godly country??? Our righteous military defending the simple, just citizens of America MAGA heritage!?! You think that would be bad press for Trump and his base? - GSTRING
I already addressed that. Please see one of my previous posts, only THIS time, do a better job of reading!

How do you expect to have any of these "discussions" you keep whining about when all you do is run from them? You addressed it weakly which I challenged and now you just want to turn tail.
All you do is type type type on here, couldn't hurt to type a little more, right?

Meanwhile, some light reading for you:

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2018/10/31/george-soros-
and-migrant-caravan-how-lie-multiplied-online/1824633002/

This is the life of a lie.

Three weeks ago, a caravan of Hondurans began walking nearly 2,000 miles to the United States. Their ranks grew as they inched north and, along with them, falsehoods grew, too. But one stands out: a conspiracy theory that liberal billionaire George Soros, a Jewish immigrant, is paying the migrants to make the journey – or even orchestrating it.

Members of Congress and the president’s son both repeated it. Conservative celebrities, too.

It also may have resonated in darker places. Cesar Sayoc, the man charged with mailing pipe bombs to Soros and other prominent critics of President Donald Trump, dwelled at length online about conspiracy theories involving the Hungarian-American philanthropist. Robert Bowers, charged with killing 11 people worshiping in a Pittsburgh synagogue on Saturday, used his social media accounts to post extensively about the caravan, including circulating an image of refugees in Guatemala purportedly climbing into a truck with a Star of David on the side.

But it began with a handful of posts in the caravan’s early days."

There's so much more in that article that I have seen reported on elsewhere and in other countries... BUT FIRST! Let's hear how you think this caravan is not being used by Trump to get votes for the GOP this midterm.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:08 PM

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You addressed it weakly...

I addressed it first, before you even got to it. I'll give you a hint: It's BEFORE your "leprosy" post, on page 2.

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There's so much more in that article that I have seen reported on elsewhere and in other countries... BUT FIRST! Let's hear how you think this caravan is not being used by Trump to get votes for the GOP this midterm.

BUT FIRST!

WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:19 PM

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Trump Goes There: It’s Willie Horton 2.0 For the Final Week of the Campaign

The latest video ad from the GOP is all about Luis Bracamontes, who was in the country illegally when he killed two cops, followed by images of mobs allegedly tearing down flimsy fences in order to storm into the United States. One comment:

The racist underpinnings of the ad are obvious, so there’s hardly any need to belabor them. This is Willie Horton 2.0 except worse, because it’s an official production of the Republican Party, not some outside Super PAC. But notice that the point of the ad isn’t to take down any particular Democrat, but to ruin the entire Democratic brand. The ad may be loathsome, but it’s smart.

Obama did crack down on undocumented immigrants. It was an effort to show that Democrats could control the border and make it OK for Republicans to pass a bipartisan immigration reform bill. But the Republican base quickly revolted and prevented anything from being passed.

More at www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/11/trump-goes-there-its-willie-hor
ton-2-0-for-the-final-week-of-the-campaign/

Sacramento Cop Killer Luis Bracamontes Featured In New Trump Ad

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 1:34 PM

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So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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You addressed it weakly...
I addressed it first, before you even got to it. I'll give you a hint: It's BEFORE your "leprosy" post, on page 2.

Was that the one with the faulty logic?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BUT FIRST! WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

I already addressed that. I'll give you a hint: it was before this post.

I'll repost for you though: I'm not for it. See how easy?

Now your turn: why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms? You think they don't know stoking fear helps their cause?

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 2:43 PM

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why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?

Of course it helps them in the mid-terms. At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension

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Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.

The most effect would be on that very large group that isn't registered with either Dems or Repubs. They're called "independents" but because here in CA we have an "Independent" party we call them "no party preference". Generally speaking, that middle group leans right rather than left, but with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Dems.

See? I think I've pro-actively addressed just about every possible partisan PR aspect that you can think of. And, before you get to accusing me of saying that the caravan is being funded by Soros, let me point out that I posted no such thing. The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.

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I'll repost for you though: I'm not for it. See how easy?

Ok, if you're not for illegal immigration, what do you think should be done to limit it?

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:39 PM

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Bravo!

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why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?
Of course it helps them in the mid-terms.

et voila! *clap clap clap*

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension.

My bad - I know it must seem like I have all day to review your posts and find all the stuff you reference. Sadly, I do not.
In terms of ^, I think you are mistaken if you think live fire ammo is getting anywhere near those immigrants for the reasons you stated. Trump is full of bluff and bluster and lies are his ammo.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.

The Dems are more fired up about Health Care, at least in recent polls. All I see them fired up about regarding the caravan is all the lies that Trump and Fox and others are trying to spread about it. Yanno, the blatant fear mongering. And g@ddamnit, with Trump's barely literate following it's working!

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
... but with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Dems.

Trump obviously thinks with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Reps.
+ I don't see the Dems working that angle like Trump - they are reacting to Trump mostly or talking guns and the Synagogue shooting.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.

There were early vids of someone passing *something* out to people lining up top make the march and of course Fox said it was Soros cash (or maybe Hillary/Obama), when later reports found out it wasn't.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Ok, if you're not for illegal immigration, what do you think should be done to limit it?

I honestly don't know and don't have many good guesses. Not copping out, just I have zero hands on knowledge of the exact problems or the history of the failed "solutions." In other words, I know what you know. Having said that, cutting off help to the countries these people are coming from is idiotic - that will just add to the flight numbers.

And can we close the chapter on parent/child seperation idea? Doesn't this caravan put that fustercluck to bed forever?

I did see a reporter speak about the history of these caravans and found it very enlightening - I'll look for it.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 3:57 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?
Of course it helps them in the mid-terms. At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension
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Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.

The most effect would be on that very large group that isn't registered with either Dems or Repubs. They're called "independents" but because here in CA we have an "Independent" party we call them "no party preference". Generally speaking, that middle group leans right rather than left, but with effective advertising/ propaganda the caravan issue MIGHT be turned in favor of Dems.

See? I think I've pro-actively addressed just about every possible partisan PR aspect that you can think of. And, before you get to accusing me of saying that the caravan is being funded by Soros, let me point out that I posted no such thing. The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.

So who is paying for all the busses, to get them to the US Border in time?

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 4:07 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

I am perfectly okay with Trump enforcing the laws against illegal immigration. Perfectly fine. He is NOT doing that. He has 11 to 22 million illegal aliens within the U.S. and he has no plan to remove them all. No plan to even remove 1 million. Instead, he is concentrating his mind on Guatemalans walking in Mexico. (I would love to see Trump deport as few as 7,000 of those millions of illegal aliens in the week before the election, about the same number in the Caravan. All the laws permit Trump to do it.)

Trump is concentrating on pleasing or pandering to a bunch of fat, ignorant weirdos: I got a very big sample of confused and blurry thinking of Republicans, yesterday, at Houston Methodist Orthopedics and Sports Medicine in Baytown. The fat old white Texans were telling each other that MS-13 was about to come into town and murder them, except Trump and the military were the only thing stopping those killers. (Oh, the Caravan is bringing diseases, too, according to this sample of Republican voters.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:03 PM

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He is NOT doing that. He has 11 to 22 million illegal aliens within the U.S. and he has no plan to remove them all. No plan to even remove 1 million.

Perhaps you didn't read my previous post about the 60+% increase in deportations in 2018?

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:19 PM

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Bravo!- GSTRING

why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?- GSTRING

Of course it helps them in the mid-terms.- SIGNY

et voila! *clap clap clap*- GSTRING

I don't need your disingenuous congratulations which imply that you caused me to "see the light", especially since I posted about it BEFORE you did.

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At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension.- SIGNY

My bad - I know it must seem like I have all day to review your posts and find all the stuff you reference. Sadly, I do not.- GSTRING

Well, your lack of knowledge sure didn't prevent you from getting all accusatory, did it?

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In terms of ^, I think you are mistaken if you think live fire ammo is getting anywhere near those immigrants for the reasons you stated. Trump is full of bluff and bluster and lies are his ammo.

It depends.

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Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.- SIGNY

The Dems are more fired up about Health Care, at least in recent polls. All I see them fired up about regarding the caravan is all the lies that Trump and Fox and others are trying to spread about it. Yanno, the blatant fear mongering. And g@ddamnit, with Trump's barely literate following it's working! GSTRING

Is it having an effect on "no party preference"?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.- SIGNY

There were early vids of someone passing *something* out to people lining up top make the march

It was money.

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and of course Fox said it was Soros cash (or maybe Hillary/Obama), when later reports found out it wasn't.

If they found out that it "wasn't" Soros/Hillary/Obama cash, then surely they must have some idea where it came from. So, where did it come from?

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Ok, if you're not for illegal immigration, what do you think should be done to limit it?- SIGNY

I honestly don't know and don't have many good guesses.- GSTRING

OK, how about this?

Harden the border.
Instead of taking illegal migrants into custody (where we become responsible for their board and care) just deport them back into Mexico.
For those who come thru official border crossings, take them into custody. Give parents the option of sending their kids elsewhere or keeping their children with them (therefore, they are not being "detained" because they have the option of leaving.)

Sweep the nation for illegal aliens. Deport any that you find, and if you find them at a workplace, fine their employer. Heavily. Once you've done that sweep, do it again, and then again, and keep on doing it until you stop finding so many illegal aliens.

Give those with American children the option of taking their children with them back to wherever they came from, or sending them elsewhere.

Revert the definition of "refugee" back to the original definition, which mean POLITICAL refugee. Most people who ask for asylum aren't fleeing because of political violence but because their nations are clusterfucks.

Or, you can do the 5-point program that I suggested earlier.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 5:37 PM

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He is NOT doing that. He has 11 to 22 million illegal aliens within the U.S. and he has no plan to remove them all. No plan to even remove 1 million.
Perhaps you didn't read my previous post about the 60+% increase in deportations in 2018?

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

The Washington Post reported on Monday that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 37,734 undocumented “noncriminal” immigrants in the 2017 fiscal year, more than double the amount in 2016.

Signym, get a clue that 38,000 for a year is a much smaller number than 22,000,000. 38,000 is a routine number. Trump needs to raise that number to 22,000,000. He has the law with him. His lack of a plan is stopping him. It is as if he does NOT want to do the job Signym elected him to do. Instead, Trump wants to arrest 7,000 Hondurans walking in Mexico. He does not have the law with him to do that.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/arrests-of-noncriminal-undocume
nted-immigrants-skyrocket.html

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:00 PM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump wants to arrest 7,000 Hondurans walking in Mexico. He does not have the law with him to do that.

He does if they cross the border. Or try.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Trump wants to arrest 7,000 Hondurans walking in Mexico. He does not have the law with him to do that.

He does if they cross the border. Or try.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

You missed the point. Trump needs to get his ass in gear and start deporting more than a few thousand per year of those 22,000,000 illegal aliens and he needs to stop fucking around talking about stopping a Caravan. But talking for Trump is effortless while arresting people and deporting them will force Trump to exert himself. He might even have to breakout in a sweat from the effort to run a large program that deports 22,000,000. Maybe Ivanka Trump can do the work for her dad?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:19 PM

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Trump needs to get his ass in gear and start deporting more than a few thousand per year of those 22,000,000 illegal aliens...

I agree 100%

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 6:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Trump needs to get his ass in gear and start deporting more than a few thousand per year of those 22,000,000 illegal aliens...

I agree 100%

I see it as a test of Trump and the GOP's authenticity. I think they won't do it. They will talk. They will blame the Democrats. They will pretend they are doing the best they can. They will stall, because there is an advantage to the GOP to have this "problem" around. Talking about the problem of illegal aliens helps the GOP to win elections. Actually solving the problem, which is well within their capacity to do, would be work that the GOP wants to shirk.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:50 PM

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Bravo!- GSTRING

why do you think Fox and Trump are so focused on this caravan and making up so many lies about it if it doesn't help them in the midterms?- GSTRING

Of course it helps them in the mid-terms.- SIGNY

et voila! *clap clap clap*- GSTRING
I don't need your disingenuous congratulations which imply that you caused me to "see the light", especially since I posted about it BEFORE you did.

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At least, until pictures get splashed across news outlets of little children looking up the barrel of a gun. That may be why there appears to be some urgency to get those people to the border BEFORE the elections. I already addressed that too. I'll repost what I posted earlier, since you seem to have a hard time reading with comprehension.- SIGNY

My bad - I know it must seem like I have all day to review your posts and find all the stuff you reference. Sadly, I do not.- GSTRING
Well, your lack of knowledge sure didn't prevent you from getting all accusatory, did it?
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In terms of ^, I think you are mistaken if you think live fire ammo is getting anywhere near those immigrants for the reasons you stated. Trump is full of bluff and bluster and lies are his ammo.
It depends.
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Now, I'm not sure which party this "caravan" serves best. The Dem base is about as fired up as it can be; but the Repub base - which might not be as "fired up" as Dems - might actually be activated by this issue.- SIGNY

The Dems are more fired up about Health Care, at least in recent polls. All I see them fired up about regarding the caravan is all the lies that Trump and Fox and others are trying to spread about it. Yanno, the blatant fear mongering. And g@ddamnit, with Trump's barely literate following it's working! GSTRING
Is it having an effect on "no party preference"?
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Originally posted by SIGNYM: The caravaners are clearly being helped by SOMEbody; maybe just local people/governments asserting their god-given right to illegally emigrate to the USA.- SIGNY

There were early vids of someone passing *something* out to people lining up top make the march
It was money.
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and of course Fox said it was Soros cash (or maybe Hillary/Obama), when later reports found out it wasn't.
If they found out that it "wasn't" Soros/Hillary/Obama cash, then surely they must have some idea where it came from. So, where did it come from?
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Ok, if you're not for illegal immigration, what do you think should be done to limit it?- SIGNY

I honestly don't know and don't have many good guesses.- GSTRING
OK, how about this?

Harden the border.
Instead of taking illegal migrants into custody (where we become responsible for their board and care) just deport them back into Mexico.
For those who come thru official border crossings, take them into custody. Give parents the option of sending their kids elsewhere or keeping their children with them (therefore, they are not being "detained" because they have the option of leaving.)

Sweep the nation for illegal aliens. Deport any that you find, and if you find them at a workplace, fine their employer. Heavily. Once you've done that sweep, do it again, and then again, and keep on doing it until you stop finding so many illegal aliens.

Give those with American children the option of taking their children with them back to wherever they came from, or sending them elsewhere.

Revert the definition of "refugee" back to the original definition, which mean POLITICAL refugee. Most people who ask for asylum aren't fleeing because of political violence but because their nations are clusterfucks.

Or, you can do the 5-point program that I suggested earlier.

What do you think is the point in deporting for the 5th time another Criminal without an effective Border to complicate their return?

What if the Fines for Employers were enough to supplement or fund ICE? Would ICE grow? Would ICE have incentive to implement enforcement? Look at what Drug Confiscation did to enforcement.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 7:57 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Trump needs to get his ass in gear and start deporting more than a few thousand per year of those 22,000,000 illegal aliens...

I agree 100%
I see it as a test of Trump and the GOP's authenticity. I think they won't do it. They will talk. They will blame the Democrats. They will pretend they are doing the best they can. They will stall, because there is an advantage to the GOP to have this "problem" around. Talking about the problem of illegal aliens helps the GOP to win elections.

Sounds like the GoP should thank NYC, SanFran, and all Sanctuary Cities for multiplying crimes rates to help GoP to win Elections.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:10 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

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I am perfectly okay with Trump enforcing the laws against illegal immigration. Perfectly fine. He is NOT doing that. He has 11 to 22 million illegal aliens within the U.S. and he has no plan to remove them all. No plan to even remove 1 million. Instead, he is concentrating his mind on Guatemalans walking in Mexico. (I would love to see Trump deport as few as 7,000 of those millions of illegal aliens in the week before the election, about the same number in the Caravan. All the laws permit Trump to do it.)

Trump is concentrating on pleasing or pandering to a bunch of fat, ignorant weirdos: I got a very big sample of confused and blurry thinking of Republicans, yesterday, at Houston Methodist Orthopedics and Sports Medicine in Baytown. The fat old white Texans were telling each other that MS-13 was about to come into town and murder them, except Trump and the military were the only thing stopping those killers. (Oh, the Caravan is bringing diseases, too, according to this sample of Republican voters.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Here is SECOND not addressing illegal immigration.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:18 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

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The Washington Post reported on Monday that Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) arrested 37,734 undocumented “noncriminal” immigrants in the 2017 fiscal year, more than double the amount in 2016.

Signym, get a clue that 38,000 for a year is a much smaller number than 22,000,000. 38,000 is a routine number. Trump needs to raise that number to 22,000,000. He has the law with him. His lack of a plan is stopping him. It is as if he does NOT want to do the job Signym elected him to do. Instead, Trump wants to arrest 7,000 Hondurans walking in Mexico. He does not have the law with him to do that.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/02/arrests-of-noncriminal-undocume
nted-immigrants-skyrocket.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Here is SECOND not addressing illegal immigration, again.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:21 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

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Originally posted by second:
You missed the point. Trump needs to get his ass in gear and start deporting more than a few thousand per year of those 22,000,000 illegal aliens and he needs to stop fucking around talking about stopping a Caravan. But talking for Trump is effortless while arresting people and deporting them will force Trump to exert himself. He might even have to breakout in a sweat from the effort to run a large program that deports 22,000,000. Maybe Ivanka Trump can do the work for her dad?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

And here is SECOND not addressing illegal immigration, for the third time.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:24 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
So, SECOND: WHY ARE YOU FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION?

It seems you'll do anything except discuss the actual issue of illegal immigration.

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Originally posted by second:
I see it as a test of Trump and the GOP's authenticity. I think they won't do it. They will talk. They will blame the Democrats. They will pretend they are doing the best they can. They will stall, because there is an advantage to the GOP to have this "problem" around. Talking about the problem of illegal aliens helps the GOP to win elections. Actually solving the problem, which is well within their capacity to do, would be work that the GOP wants to shirk.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

Here SECOND is dodging the topic for the fourth time.

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Thursday, November 1, 2018 11:26 PM

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I'm curious to see how MANY times SECOND will continue to evade the topic of illegal immigration.

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Friday, November 2, 2018 5:17 AM

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I'm curious to see how MANY times SECOND will continue to evade the topic of illegal immigration.

The logic is that Trump should build the wall. He wants it. He threatened to shutdown the government if Congress does not authorize it. He should shut it down. But I don't think Trump will do what he needs to do to get that wall built.

Trump is not following his own logic that the wall is of supreme importance to stop illegal immigration. Does he not believe his own words? He claims it is true but then he does NOT act to build the wall. All he does is keep on talking, talking, talking to pander to the fears of voters like 1kiki and Signym. When will he stop talking and finish building that Wall?

As a temporary expediency in the areas where there is no Texas/Mexico Wall, I think Trump needs to use his troops. He has already started to move a few toward the border, too few. He has not sent nearly enough troops to substitute for his Wall. The logic of the situation is that Trump needs to tell his troops to stand between any illegal aliens that approach the border and protect Americans. But I don't believe Trump will give the orders. He will simply keep on talking, talking, talking to pander to the fears of voters like 1kiki and Signym.

Trump has 1,347,106 active troops. Why has he not ordered all of them to the Texas/Mexico border? Why does Trump not give the order? The logic of his situation requires that Trump give that order and stop his endless empty talking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Armed_Forces

And while Trump is at it, he needs to write that Executive Order that nullifies the 14th amendment and birthright citizenship. He talked long enough about it. He needs to do it. Or is he insincere about the importance of that?

www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/11/chart-of-the-day-ytd-border-app
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Friday, November 2, 2018 5:49 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

Here is SECOND not addressing illegal immigration.

Trump addresses the topic. He announced no new policy changes, despite a policy announcement being the premise that got cable networks to carry the speech live on Nov 1.

As Trump prepares to send more troops to the border, he said that asylum seekers who throw rocks should know “we will consider that a firearm. Because there’s not much difference.”

He insinuated that there’s “a lot of money” moving around in the immigrant caravan, a reference to conspiracy theories about George Soros’s secret involvement.

He said American women should fear men coming across the border, a near-verbatim use of the racist trope that men of color are a sexual threat to white women.

He claimed there are immigrants who come to America with “big medical problems before they get here.”

In response to a question about a Georgia governor’s race, he volunteered that Stacey Abrams, a Yale-educated black woman with years in public service, is not qualified to serve.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 2, 2018 8:24 AM

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"Don't Ever Repeat This": Beto [El Paso, TX] Aides Busted Funneling Caravan Funds In Undercover Sting

Chacon: “The Hondurans, yeah… I’m going to go get some food right now, like just some stuff to drop off…”

Themann: “How did they get through?”

Chacon: “Well I think they accepted them as like asylum-seekers… So, I’m going to get some groceries and some blankets…”

Themann: “Don’t ever repeat this and stuff but like if we just say that we’re buying food for a campaign event, like the Halloween events…”

Chacon: “That’s not a horrible idea, but I didn’t hear anything. Umm, we can wait until tomorrow for that.”

Themann: “Well that’s exactly the food we need. And I will just mark it as, I do have dozens of block walkers.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-01/dont-ever-repeat-beto-aides-
busted-funneling-caravan-funds-undercover-sting

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Friday, November 2, 2018 8:33 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-01/dont-ever-repeat-beto-aides-busted-f
unneling-caravan-funds-undercover-sting

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

What is zerohedge's point, Signym? That employees are stealing the boss's money, therefore blame the boss?

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Friday, November 2, 2018 9:49 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"Don't Ever Repeat This": Beto [El Paso, TX] Aides Busted Funneling Caravan Funds In Undercover Sting

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

Trump promotes mass murderer’s anti-Semitic conspiracy theory

President Trump said Wednesday that he “wouldn’t be surprised” if billionaire philanthropist George Soros or someone else is funding the caravan of Central American migrants moving toward the U.S.

“I wouldn’t be surprised,” Trump told reporters outside the White House when asked if “someone” is paying for the caravan.

“George Soros?” a reporter interjected.

“I don’t know who, but I wouldn’t be surprised,” Trump said. “A lot of people say yes.”

Robert Gregory Bowers, the man accused of killing 11 people at a Pittsburgh synagogue over the weekend, echoed Trump.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/414171-trump-i-wouldnt-be-
surprised-if-soros-were-paying-for-migrant-caravan

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Friday, November 2, 2018 10:21 AM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Is it having an effect on "no party preference"?

You answered your own question: "Of course it helps them in the mid-terms."- SIGNY

Let's address this "it was money" thing.

"There were early vids of someone passing *something* out to people lining up top make the march."

SIGHOLE - "It was money. If they found out that it "wasn't" Soros/Hillary/Obama cash, then surely they must have some idea where it came from. So, where did it come from?"

That was one of the first fear mongering BS trial balloons the GOP and Trump tried, "they're being paid by Soros/Clinton/Obama.

Most honest, more professional reporting shot that down. It shouldn't have been hard since it started with Gaetz and then filtered out to all the GOP fake news web sites and social media echo chambers. IF you know anything about this system of disinformation you would know that, which I would bet money you do you just choose to act like it doesn't exist. It's the same style of connected, networked trolls that have been working since Russia made it popular. It was recently seen in the last Mexican presidential election as well (google).

For more details:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/20/world/americas/migrant-caravan-vide
o-trump.html

SIGHOLE: "OK, how about this? Harden the border. Instead of taking illegal migrants into custody (where we become responsible for their board and care) just deport them back into Mexico."

- great, how? Mechanics, logistics study please. You have any idea of the costs? You're just wild assing/guessing/wouldn't it be great if...?

SIGHOLE: "For those who come thru official border crossings, take them into custody. Give parents the option of sending their kids elsewhere or keeping their children with them (therefore, they are not being "detained" because they have the option of leaving.)"

- fine, but see above, ie COSTS.

SIGHIEL - (here's where SIGNUTS goes off the deep end and becomes Hysterical Woman) "Sweep the nation for illegal aliens. Deport any that you find, and if you find them at a workplace, fine their employer. Heavily. Once you've done that sweep, do it again, and then again, and keep on doing it until you stop finding so many illegal aliens.

- ok, as long as we can sweep the nation for low IQ people at the same time! Just to entertain you crazy idea: You have any idea how much money that would cost? Or how large the force you'd need to do that? Or how many legal immigrants would be caught up? Maybe your husband - that would be funny. Maybe we don't do this because this is America, hon.
That is also where Jack would be confronted with a $10 loaf of bread and other pies in the cost of living. And no, Jack, your wages won't magically go up.

HYSTERICAL WOMAN: "Give those with American children the option of taking their children with them back to wherever they came from, or sending them elsewhere."

- I read that and also hear you saying "how can I be anti-immigrant!?!" How hypocritical. BTW - was you dad a legal immigrant? Sounds like he fled his country and sought asylum here...? Just guessing.
Also worth noting: "or sending them elsewhere." Huh? Cancun? A sunny beach somewhere? Ok, I know, you meant relatives, but still COSTS. How would you check that out and find out if they were actual relatives? How much would that cost to "send them elsewhere?" What do you do in the mean time while you are setting up transportation? House them at the Lowest Bid Hilton?

NUTJOB: "Revert the definition of "refugee" back to the original definition, which mean POLITICAL refugee. Most people who ask for asylum aren't fleeing because of political violence but because their nations are clusterfucks."

- Because we're a nation of immigrants running from bad situations and trying to make a better one. Also, we could try not to make those nations worse. Fine: if you want to ignore the Humanitarian aspect of this then at least acknowledge the actual practical part of it: if we don't help shitholes and clusterfucks they will become our problem. The world is pretty damn small.

So completely nuts, impractical, costs too much and anti-American. You nailed it!

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"Don't Ever Repeat This": Beto [El Paso, TX] Aides Busted Funneling Caravan Funds In Undercover Sting

Chacon: “The Hondurans, yeah… I’m going to go get some food right now, like just some stuff to drop off…”

Themann: “How did they get through?”

Chacon: “Well I think they accepted them as like asylum-seekers… So, I’m going to get some groceries and some blankets…”

Themann: “Don’t ever repeat this and stuff but like if we just say that we’re buying food for a campaign event, like the Halloween events…”

Chacon: “That’s not a horrible idea, but I didn’t hear anything. Umm, we can wait until tomorrow for that.”

Themann: “Well that’s exactly the food we need. And I will just mark it as, I do have dozens of block walkers.”

I heard it was Nancy Pelosi's dog.

Seriously: so now the disinformation propaganda social media forces - of which you just became a member SIGHOLE - are after Beto, check! They must feel Cruz is a crucial win and are desperate to smear his name. I guess the GOP feels like he's the key to their grip on the Senate from crumbling. They're probably right.

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Friday, November 2, 2018 1:24 PM

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'Migrant Caravan' Members Sue Trump Over 'Shockingly Unconstitutional' Asylum Crackdown

President Trump's rhetoric about the organized 'caravans' of migrants plodding toward the US border has been nothing short of incendiary, as the president has threatened to send as many as 15,000 troops to the border to stop the mobs of "dangerous people" from entering the country. Among other claims, Trump hinted that he might ask soldiers to fire on the migrants if they start pelting border agents with rocks, and that he would be building "massive cities of tents" to house the would-be asylum seekers as they await their hearings in an effort to end the "abuse" of the US asylum seekers.

Well, apparently these remarks haven't sat well with members of the caravan and their shadowy financial backers, because a group of 12 migrants, six of them children, have filed a lawsuit against Trump, claiming his efforts to beef up security along the border, and threats to deprive them of asylum, represent "shockingly unconstitutional" attacks on their rights, according to Fox News.

The Fifth Amendment stipulates that "no person… shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

So, let me see ... these non-citizens are claiming Constitutional rights from a nation in which they haven't even set foot yet. WTF?

Quote:
And ironically, none other than former Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia helped cement these protections by ruling in a 1993 case that "it is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law in a deportation proceeding."

Twelve Honduran nationals, including six children, were named as plaintiffs in the lawsuit, which was filed Thursday in the US District Court in Washington, D.C. The lawsuit alleges that it is widely known that Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador are enmeshed in an "undergoing a well-documented human rights crisis." Furthermore, the suit claims that Trump cannot stop migrants from entering the US when they have a credible claim of asylum, according to the Washington Examiner.

Here's more from Fox:

The lawsuit points to Trump's claim that he will prevent the caravan from entering the U.S. It claims that the president cannot stop asylum-seekers by employing the military - when they have a fair claim. The suit criticized the president's attempt at stoking "fear and hysteria," by claiming that criminals and gang members have joined the caravan.

The suit cited a Trump interview with Fox News’ Laura Ingraham, where the president laid out plans to build tent cities to house migrants. The suit questioned the functionality of such a project, and asked if these living quarters would qualify under the Flores Agreement of 1997. The agreement protects asylum-seekers’ rights and limits how long minors can be held.

Earlier this summer, a federal judge in California rejected a request by the administration to modify Flores to allow for longer family detention. Administration officials say they have the authority to terminate the agreement, but that is likely to be tested in court.

The suit also alleges that the US can't send troops across the US-Mexico border to stop migrants from entering the US. It also argues that Trump can't demand that asylum seekers present themselves at lawful border-crossing points, as US law states that an asylum seeker can declare their intention to seek asylum anywhere (the president said last week that he intends to issue an executive order declaring that asylum seekers declare at lawful border checkpoints).

Nexus Services Inc. is funding the lawsuits through a civil rights law firm called Nexus Derechos Humanos (Human Rights) Attorneys Inc.

"Federal law enables migrants to apply for asylum in the United States. President Trump and his administration have used ‘increased enforcement,’ like separating families and lengthening detention to violate migrant rights," Mike Donovan, president of Nexus Services, said in the release.

There is another legal issue at stake, according to the lawsuit. The U.S. cannot send troops into Mexico to cut off the caravan from crossing the border. Even with the National Guard at the border, once an immigrant indicates an intention to apply for asylum, the process has begun.

Huh?

My suggestion: Mexico has already offered asylum. I would simply ask: Did you come thru Mexico? If yes, finish your asylum process in Mexico.

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The White House, Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security were all named as defendants in the suit. The lawsuit is seeking an immediate judgment for the plaintiffs and a court declaration that Trump's border plan is unconstitutional.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-02/migrant-caravan-members-sue-
trump-over-shockingly-unconstitutional-border-policies

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Friday, November 2, 2018 1:42 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, let me see ... these non-citizens are claiming Constitutional rights from a nation in which they haven't even set foot yet. WTF?

Huh?

My suggestion: Mexico has already offered asylum. I would simply ask: Did you come thru Mexico? If yes, finish your asylum process in Mexico.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

I am looking forward to Trump demanding anybody crossing the border be shot dead. He’s got enough guns and trigger-pullers to do that job. I sure hope he isn’t all phony tough talk because I want to see some bloody border drama on the evening news. Trump’s rhetoric doesn’t really allow for him to back down on using lethal force. But he’s probably a big chicken and won’t kill ‘em all. I hope to know this year if Trump clucks, I mean chokes, when the big decision needs to be made: Shoot to kill? Or not?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 2, 2018 3:25 PM

You keep saying that, but he's not going to order anybody be shot dead.

I've already spelled out more or less how it's going to go down. The only thing that might be wrong is the timeline if they can't bus all of the people up to the border before the 6th.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 2, 2018 4:00 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You keep saying that, but he's not going to order anybody be shot dead.

I've already spelled out more or less how it's going to go down. The only thing that might be wrong is the timeline if they can't bus all of the people up to the border before the 6th.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

One day after he said the military will fire on members of a migrant caravan if they throw rocks at troops: “They won’t have to fire. What I don’t want is I don’t want these people throwing rocks,” Trump said. “If they do that with us, they’re going to be arrested for a long time,” Trump added. Since he can't arrest them in Mexico, Trump will let them in the US, then arrest them. They get in. He doesn't keep them out. Their passport into the US is a rock, which will get them in so that Trump can arrest them for throwing rocks.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump/trump-says-troops-wil
l-not-fire-on-migrant-caravan-idUSKCN1N72B2

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 2, 2018 4:47 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You keep saying that, but he's not going to order anybody be shot dead.

I've already spelled out more or less how it's going to go down. The only thing that might be wrong is the timeline if they can't bus all of the people up to the border before the 6th.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
One day after he said the military will fire on members of a migrant caravan if they throw rocks at troops: “They won’t have to fire. What I don’t want is I don’t want these people throwing rocks,” Trump said. “If they do that with us, they’re going to be arrested for a long time,” Trump added. Since he can't arrest them in Mexico, Trump will let them in the US, then arrest them. They get in. He doesn't keep them out. Their passport into the US is a rock, which will get them in so that Trump can arrest them for throwing rocks.

www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-trump/trump-says-troops-wil
l-not-fire-on-migrant-caravan-idUSKCN1N72B2

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

That's not a passport. That's letting them come in so they can be detained and deported. Just like I said would happen in the OP.

If they're doing their jobs right, they should be fingerprinted and DNA tested too, and precluded from ever being able to have a legal right to come here in the future.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, November 2, 2018 5:59 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

If they're doing their jobs right, they should be fingerprinted and DNA tested too, and precluded from ever being able to have a legal right to come here in the future.

The 2006 amendment was sponsored by two border state Republicans, Senators John Kyl of Arizona and John Cornyn of Texas. The goal, justice officials said, is to make DNA sampling as routine as fingerprinting for anyone detained by federal agents, including illegal immigrants. -- FEB. 5, 2007
www.nytimes.com/2007/02/05/world/americas/05iht-dna.4481568.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, November 2, 2018 6:12 PM

Yup.

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Sunday, November 4, 2018 2:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Soros Partners With Mastercard To Hand Out Money To Migrants

Billionaire investor George Soros has repeatedly denied rumors that he is helping to finance the migrant caravans making their way up from Honduras and Guatemala through Mexico with the ultimate aim of reaching the US.

But that's about to change, as the "Open Society" founder - who famously financed much of the opposition to Trump SCOTUS pick Brett Kavanaugh - is now partnering with Mastercard to hand out money (in the form of 'investment capital') to migrants, refugees and "others struggling within their communities worldwide," according to Reuters. Through their partnership, Soros is effectively providing open financial support for migrants and refugees seeking to enter the US and Europe.

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-03/soros-partners-mastercard-ha
nd-out-money-migrants

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Sunday, November 4, 2018 3:53 AM

Again... I'm skeptical of anything zerohedge prints, and the whole "Soros" thing just kind of loses the argument with the Leftists anyhow.

It looks like Project Veritas has video evidence of Beto O'Rourke campaign staffers diverting campaign finances to the illegals though. I wouldn't bother reading what Lefty news organizations have to say about it though because of the gross spin they put on the ordeal.

Watch the video and decide for yourself.

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Sunday, November 4, 2018 5:37 AM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Quote:
Soros Partners With Mastercard To Hand Out Money To Migrants

Billionaire investor George Soros has repeatedly denied rumors that he is helping to finance the migrant caravans making their way up from Honduras and Guatemala through Mexico with the ultimate aim of reaching the US.

But that's about to change, as the "Open Society" founder - who famously financed much of the opposition to Trump SCOTUS pick Brett Kavanaugh - is now partnering with Mastercard to hand out money (in the form of 'investment capital') to migrants, refugees and "others struggling within their communities worldwide," according to Reuters. Through their partnership, Soros is effectively providing open financial support for migrants and refugees seeking to enter the US and Europe.
MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-03/soros-partners-mastercard-ha
nd-out-money-migrants

Spreading the propaganda like a good little worker troll.

"Migrants are often forced into lives of despair in their host communities because they cannot gain access to financial, healthcare and government services," Soros said.

"Our potential investment in this social enterprise, coupled with Mastercard’s ability to create products that serve vulnerable communities, can show how private capital can play a constructive role in solving social problems," he added.

Oh, the horror!

You still haven't come close to explaining how getting the caravan to the border before the election makes any sense for Dems. Unless of course Soros knew it would make Trump look like an even bigger dumb f*ck. "They're throwing rocks! The really roughed up the Mexican military." It is beyond me how anyone could side with such a compulsive liar unless they have an agenda with mutual needs. Or are just plain stupid.

https://nyti.ms/2Djuvx9

From Trump's Wed "rally" lie fest:

OTHER CLAIMS
Mr. Trump made a number of other claims on Wednesday that The New York Times has previously fact-checked:

He falsely claimed to have passed the “biggest tax cut for working families.” (Several rank larger.)

He falsely claimed that Democrats “want open borders, and they want to invite caravan after caravan into our country.” (Democrats support border security measures. There is no proof that they are behind the migrant caravan headed to the United States.)

He misleadingly claimed the wall on the southwest border is “already being built.” (Construction has not begun.)

He falsely claimed that the Medicare-for-all proposals “would destroy Medicare” for seniors. (The proposals would expand benefits and cut costs.)

He claimed that Republicans will “always protect Americans with pre-existing conditions, always, always.” (Actions from his administration and Republican bills show otherwise.)

He exaggerated when he claimed that lawmakers were unable to pass the Veterans Choice program “for 44 years.” (The program has existed since 2014, though he enacted changes this year.)

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Sunday, November 4, 2018 2:43 PM

"Expand benefits and cut costs", huh?

Whoever gets their hands on the magic wand that can do that will rule the world.

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Sunday, November 4, 2018 3:01 PM