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The Caravan, The Deficit, The 14th Amendment and the Trump Narrative
Thursday, November 8, 2018 8:10 PM
THG
Friday, November 9, 2018 3:44 AM
SHINYGOODGUY
Friday, November 9, 2018 5:47 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:Trump Proposes Ending Asylum For Illegal Immigrants As was widely expected following his promises to stop crowds of illegal migrants from entering the US, President Trump on Thursday signed an order to end asylum for illegal immigrants before the caravans arrive. The order, which is expected to elicit howls of outrage from the left, will almost certainly be met with a court challenge, according to a Bloomberg report. The Trump administration said it would prohibit people who illegally cross the U.S. border with Mexico from claiming asylum, as the president seeks to choke off migration from Latin America, Bloomberg News reports. The change to asylum procedures was published Thursday by the Justice Department. President Donald Trump has blamed U.S. asylum rules for luring thousands of migrants a year from Central American countries. The new rule is almost certain to be challenged in courts. According to an NBC News report published early Thursday afternoon, senior Trump administration officials expect to be sued over the "draconian" immigration order. But with Brett Kavanaugh cementing a conservative majority on the court, the administration expects that it will prevail, as even the pre-Kavanaugh split court allowed the administration some wiggle room to implement its controversial travel ban. However, some worry that Neil Gorsuch could throw a wrench in the works by opposing the proposal, as he appeared to have reservations about supporting another restrictive immigration ruling during arguments on another case earlier in the term, per the New York Times.
Quote:Trump Administration Moves to Restrict Asylum Claims by Migrants The Trump administration said it would restrict people who illegally cross the U.S. border with Mexico from claiming asylum, as the president seeks to choke off migration from Latin America... “Our asylum system is overwhelmed with too many meritless asylum claims from aliens who place a tremendous burden on our resources, preventing us from being able to expeditiously grant asylum to those who truly deserve it,” Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker said in a joint statement. The new restrictions on asylum claims won’t take effect until Trump issues a proclamation limiting or suspending entry into the U.S. from Mexico, according to the rule. Trump plans to issue the proclamation on Friday, an administration official who asked not to be identified told reporters in a briefing.
Quote:With Kavanaugh on court, White House ready for legal battle over asylum rules The administration expects to be sued over its stringent new immigration plan, which may be unveiled as soon as Thursday afternoon — and it expects to win.
Quote:At Immigration Argument, Justice Kavanaugh Takes Hard Line WASHINGTON — A Supreme Court argument on Wednesday over the detention of immigrants during deportation proceedings seemed to expose a divide between President Trump’s two appointees, Justices Neil M. Gorsuch and Brett M. Kavanaugh. The question in the case was whether the federal authorities must detain immigrants who had committed crimes, often minor ones, no matter how long ago they were released from criminal custody. Justice Kavanaugh said a 1996 federal law required detention even years later, without an opportunity for a bail hearing.
Tuesday, November 13, 2018 3:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trump may have been "mostly silent", but he wasn't inactive on the issue. Whoever it was that you get your news from missed a story ... Quote:Trump Proposes Ending Asylum For Illegal Immigrants As was widely expected following his promises to stop crowds of illegal migrants from entering the US, President Trump on Thursday signed an order to end asylum for illegal immigrants before the caravans arrive. The order, which is expected to elicit howls of outrage from the left, will almost certainly be met with a court challenge, according to a Bloomberg report. The Trump administration said it would prohibit people who illegally cross the U.S. border with Mexico from claiming asylum, as the president seeks to choke off migration from Latin America, Bloomberg News reports. The change to asylum procedures was published Thursday by the Justice Department. President Donald Trump has blamed U.S. asylum rules for luring thousands of migrants a year from Central American countries. The new rule is almost certain to be challenged in courts. According to an NBC News report published early Thursday afternoon, senior Trump administration officials expect to be sued over the "draconian" immigration order. But with Brett Kavanaugh cementing a conservative majority on the court, the administration expects that it will prevail, as even the pre-Kavanaugh split court allowed the administration some wiggle room to implement its controversial travel ban. However, some worry that Neil Gorsuch could throw a wrench in the works by opposing the proposal, as he appeared to have reservations about supporting another restrictive immigration ruling during arguments on another case earlier in the term, per the New York Times. https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-08/trump-proposes-ending-asylum-illegal-immigrants Now, just because people complain about ZH, here are the links that they embedded in their story... Quote:Trump Administration Moves to Restrict Asylum Claims by Migrants The Trump administration said it would restrict people who illegally cross the U.S. border with Mexico from claiming asylum, as the president seeks to choke off migration from Latin America... “Our asylum system is overwhelmed with too many meritless asylum claims from aliens who place a tremendous burden on our resources, preventing us from being able to expeditiously grant asylum to those who truly deserve it,” Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen and Acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker said in a joint statement. The new restrictions on asylum claims won’t take effect until Trump issues a proclamation limiting or suspending entry into the U.S. from Mexico, according to the rule. Trump plans to issue the proclamation on Friday, an administration official who asked not to be identified told reporters in a briefing. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-08/trump-administration-moves-to-restrict-asylum-claims-by-migrants Quote:With Kavanaugh on court, White House ready for legal battle over asylum rules The administration expects to be sued over its stringent new immigration plan, which may be unveiled as soon as Thursday afternoon — and it expects to win. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/kavanaugh-court-white-house-ready-legal-battle-over-asylum-rules-n933961 Quote:At Immigration Argument, Justice Kavanaugh Takes Hard Line WASHINGTON — A Supreme Court argument on Wednesday over the detention of immigrants during deportation proceedings seemed to expose a divide between President Trump’s two appointees, Justices Neil M. Gorsuch and Brett M. Kavanaugh. The question in the case was whether the federal authorities must detain immigrants who had committed crimes, often minor ones, no matter how long ago they were released from criminal custody. Justice Kavanaugh said a 1996 federal law required detention even years later, without an opportunity for a bail hearing. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/us/politics/kavanaugh-immigration-supreme-court-case.html ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Tuesday, November 13, 2018 4:25 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Well, SHINY, I just hope that your lack of response means that you're recalibrating your ideas about who KIKI and I are. Because from your question (and its implied answer) I would say that it's inescapable that you never really listened to what I said and were simply lashing out at someone who existed mostly in your imagination. So, can we re-start the conversation with a different tone, then? We're not on different sides, even tho you imagine that we are. ----------- Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876
Tuesday, November 13, 2018 7:03 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Trump may have been "mostly silent", but he wasn't inactive on the issue. Whoever it was that you get your news from missed a story ... "The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND
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