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Sounds like BungBetty hasn't had her shitski Sphincter Stretched enough lately.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I wouldn't give your whine more than a nanosecond of my attention.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:



BTW... that thread title wasn't racist against polocks, was it?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
WISHY

I'm not going to forward you the email I got from my lawyer - you'll need to get your own to tell you what kind of trouble you're in. Suffice to say that it's a law firm that specializes in INTERNET libel. And until you actually talk to a lawyer that specializes in INTERNET libel, you shouldn't feel so confident about what you presume you know.

I'm doing you a favor. I'm giving you a heads up. When my schedule frees up, I will have the time to focus my efforts. You don't want me focusing them on you. You don't want to have to spend the time - and money - on defending yourself. Because it's obvious you did post those things, and it's obvious they're libel. What will your defense be?

And what will your family think when they find out who you are?

If you simply STOP LIBELING, I won't pursue legal action. And, realistically, how hard could that be? How hard could it be to NOT do something risky, destructive, heinous, and irrational? How hard could it be to NOT be a libelous troll?

BTW, I understand you've had a horrible childhood. That doesn't give you the right to libel people and put them at risk just because you've got an impulse to scratch a rage itch, and you've picked some random target.

btw, since libel has consequences, I suggest you find a solution to your emotional problems. In the long run, it'll be cheaper.

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How hard could it be to NOT be a libelous troll?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I have to go on record saying that I don't support any legal action here.

We are all basically anonymous here, and until such time one of us are doxxed I don't belive there is any damages for things that are said here, financially or otherwise.

Haken hasn't removed anyone. I wasn't aware that he had ever even done so in the past, although that has been alleged just recently in another thread. If he has done so, it must have been for truly bad behavior, but it wasn't based off of any political beliefs on either side like some trolls in here cheer on when Facebook or Twitter de-platforms somebody.

Suing somebody, or the threat of a lawsuit itself is just taking censorship into your own hands and taking away the very long leash that Haken has given everybody here.


I don't think anybody here is guilty of anything other than just being assholes. The appropriate action is to just laugh at them.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
WISHY

I'm not going to forward you the email I got from my lawyer - you'll need to get your own to tell you what kind of trouble you're in. Suffice to say that it's a law firm that specializes in INTERNET libel. And until you actually talk to a lawyer that specializes in INTERNET libel, you shouldn't feel so confident about what you presume you know.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

WISHY, I wouldn't test KIKI if I were you. I've never seen KIKI bluff before.

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Oh bullshit. kiki and even you have been threatening some of us here with lawsuits. All you guys do is bluff. Hey kiki, fuck you and your lawyer. Now, do something about that.

The problem comrades kiki and sig have is that next month I'll post nothing happened. The month after that wish will post noting happened and next year we'll both be posting kiki is both delusional and full of shit. Why, because nothing is going to happen.



Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.

Fucking dummies. T

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The problem comrades kiki and sig have is that next month I'll post nothing happened. The month after that wish will post noting happened and next year we'll both be posting kiki is both delusional and full of shit. Why, because nothing is going to happen.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
For anyone concerned: there's a simple way to avoid drama, conflict, and bad fortune. Just don't go out of your way to be a libelous asshole from now on. Really, it's not an outrageous standard to meet.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
SIX, there are several schools of thought on how to deal with assholes. In game theory, there is (or was, in any case) a tournament of programmed responses to the "Prisoner's Dilemma" situation which revealed that the overall best program for dealing with assholes was the simplest, and it was called "tit for tat". I think you know what that means. In the case of software, the program started with a cooperative move and then simply echoed the move of the other player after that over many iterations.

Not only did the points for the "tit for tat" player come out ahead, the points for the OTHER players paired with "tit for tat" ALSO came out ahead, because "tit for tat" trained the other players to be more cooperative.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
What a festering, s-hole this place has become. Sometimes I think Haken would do us all a favor by just shutting it down.

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What a festering, s-hole this place has become.- GSTRING

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She wasn't always an asshole. In fact, I quite enjoyed the nightly dialog I had here with her and JO outside of the RWED many years back

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Out of curiosity, I am wondering if kiki or Sigs feel that I have libelled either of them?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

There's that hyperbole again.

The RWED has always been like this. Always.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Out of curiosity, I am wondering if kiki or Sigs feel that I have libelled either of them?

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What a festering, s-hole this place has become.- GSTRING

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And you, SHTF, WISHY, THUGR, and KRAPO helped make it that way, so thanks for that! I used to come here for the latest conservative and far-left PsOV; it was like one-stop shopping, but you post so few ideas that this place is an intellectual wasteland.

In any case, it used to be much much better AND much much worse. There was a time when posting disgusting photos was all the rage (alas, "tub girl" comes to mind) I forget what the fad was called but that's when Haken added Troll Country.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Out of curiosity, I am wondering if kiki or Sigs feel that I have libelled either of them?

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*whispers*

Stay out of this. Just enjoy it from the sidelines.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:


See, even back in the day when AU posted there was at least some humor to wash it all down with!

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There were thoughtful arguments & discussions, not this constant junk. - GSTRING

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yeah GSTRING, thanks for bringing constant trolling and libel to the board!

Yanno, back in the day, even when arguments were very heated, people didn't repeatedly LIBEL each other either, so stop acting like a crybaby and fuck off. Or grow up. Or something.


What I don't understand is your dedication to behaving like an asshole. You defend it, excuse it, and believe that it is your right because your head just blew off with "outrage".

Well, nobody can stop you from acting like an asshole (Altho I feel that you really should rethink your dedication to the cause because what does that say about YOU?) but there ARE legal limits as to what you can post. I don't see anybody threatening Trump's life, do you? Of course not, because that will merit a visit from your friendly Secret Service. Also, libel is another one of those limits. Even online, the real world intrudes.

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Out of curiosity, I am wondering if kiki or Sigs feel that I have libelled either of them?

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*whispers*

Stay out of this. Just enjoy it from the sidelines.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:


Wait a sec....RapKnight posted in RWED?

After livening up the rest of the board, took the wrong turn into the theater of combat?

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I still don't think either of you would have any legitimate case in court. Quite frankly, it would be kind of frightening to find out that you did."

THE ACCUSATION OF COMMUNISM AS SLANDER PER SE
"IT IS GENERALLY held that an accusation of Communism in writing is libellous and actionable"
https://scholarship.law.duke.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi ...

But yanno - I'll forget the past as long as I'm not subject to any more abuse, either stated or implied.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"Well personally, I'd rather you didn't do anything and turn the RWED into a circus for the world to dissect because you're throwing a hissy fit over nothing."

What happened to me and Signy wasn't a one-off or brief moments of exasperation. I know it wasn't that, they know it wasn't that, and you know it wasn't that. And I don't think a years-long campaign of focused, intentional, repeated, HARMFUL, abuse by multiple people is 'nothing'.

But yanno - I'll forget the past as long as I'm not subject to any more abuse, either stated or implied. As far as I'm concerned, that is the end of that. I'd be happy to say 'all done'.

BTW, I cut down the url because it was many lines long. That's why I gave all sorts of clues for you to google.

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Is calling someone a Nazi, or a misogynist, or a white nationalist libelous ?

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Warning to chatroom users after libel award for man labelled a Nazi

A political argument that erupted in a remote corner of cyberspace and descended into vicious name-calling could lead to a spate of libel actions by contributors to internet message boards, the man at the centre of the case claimed yesterday.

The dark side of the blogosphere was revealed by a libel action brought by Michael Keith-Smith, a former Conservative party member who stood for Ukip in Portsmouth North at the last election. He said he was moved to sue after a woman with whom he was debating the merits of military action in Iraq began a campaign of name-calling that started by describing him as "lard brain" and culminated in falsely labelling him a "Nazi", a "racist bigot" and a "nonce".

Tracy Williams, a college lecturer from Oldham, was ordered by a high court judge to pay £10,000 in damages, as well as Mr Keith-Smith's £7,200 costs, and told never to repeat the allegations.

The case is one of the first of its kind between two private individuals to go to court and, said lawyers, highlighted issues that would become more prominent as internet usage continued to grow and blogging, social networking and community sites became yet more popular.

Mr Keith-Smith told the Guardian that he took action after a debate about the Iraq war in 2003 on a Yahoo! message board with about 100 members turned ugly. "She was very pro-Bush. Initially, she called me lard brain and I wasn't particularly concerned about that. Then she called me a Nazi," he said.
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He has also taken action against a second poster, he said, with whom he claimed to have settled for a sum "in the region of £30,000".

"They started saying I was on a sex offenders' list and that people shouldn't let me near their children," said Mr Keith-Smith, who is also chairman of the Conservative Democratic Alliance, which bills itself as "the leading voice of the radical Tory right".

He resolved to take legal action after the pair accused his wife of being a prostitute. But once his solicitors petitioned the court to find out the identity of Ms Williams, who contributed to the forum under a pseudonym, the abuse got worse.

"It's a matter of principle. I had no proof that anyone who read this took it seriously. I just didn't see why she should be allowed to get away with it," he said.

Legal experts said the case should be taken as a warning to the millions of people in the UK debating contentious issues on message boards, in chatrooms and on their own blogs that the laws of libel applied just as they would if the comments were published in a leaflet or newsletter.

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Is calling someone a Nazi, or a misogynist, or a white nationalist libelous ?

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Hmmm... good question! Calling someone a misogynist is probably NOT libel, unless you're linking it to a pattern of behavior.

Calling someone a nazi?

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Warning to chatroom users after libel award for man labelled a Nazi

A political argument that erupted in a remote corner of cyberspace and descended into vicious name-calling could lead to a spate of libel actions by contributors to internet message boards, the man at the centre of the case claimed yesterday.

The dark side of the blogosphere was revealed by a libel action brought by Michael Keith-Smith, a former Conservative party member who stood for Ukip in Portsmouth North at the last election. He said he was moved to sue after a woman with whom he was debating the merits of military action in Iraq began a campaign of name-calling that started by describing him as "lard brain" and culminated in falsely labelling him a "Nazi", a "racist bigot" and a "nonce".

Tracy Williams, a college lecturer from Oldham, was ordered by a high court judge to pay £10,000 in damages, as well as Mr Keith-Smith's £7,200 costs, and told never to repeat the allegations.

The case is one of the first of its kind between two private individuals to go to court and, said lawyers, highlighted issues that would become more prominent as internet usage continued to grow and blogging, social networking and community sites became yet more popular.

Mr Keith-Smith told the Guardian that he took action after a debate about the Iraq war in 2003 on a Yahoo! message board with about 100 members turned ugly. "She was very pro-Bush. Initially, she called me lard brain and I wasn't particularly concerned about that. Then she called me a Nazi," he said.
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He has also taken action against a second poster, he said, with whom he claimed to have settled for a sum "in the region of £30,000".

"They started saying I was on a sex offenders' list and that people shouldn't let me near their children," said Mr Keith-Smith, who is also chairman of the Conservative Democratic Alliance, which bills itself as "the leading voice of the radical Tory right".

He resolved to take legal action after the pair accused his wife of being a prostitute. But once his solicitors petitioned the court to find out the identity of Ms Williams, who contributed to the forum under a pseudonym, the abuse got worse.

"It's a matter of principle. I had no proof that anyone who read this took it seriously. I just didn't see why she should be allowed to get away with it," he said.

Legal experts said the case should be taken as a warning to the millions of people in the UK debating contentious issues on message boards, in chatrooms and on their own blogs that the laws of libel applied just as they would if the comments were published in a leaflet or newsletter.

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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/mar/23/digitalmedia.law

Of course, that was in Britain so their laws may differ, but if it was clear that someone was being called an ACTUAL "Nazi" ... even here ... like belonging to a Nazi party ... I think that would qualify as libel.

"White nationalist" is a lot more specific than "Nazi" because a lot of people throw the "Nazi" term around. Calling someone a "white nationalist" is getting pretty close to implying that they belong to a hate group. If someone was falsely accused of being (say) a member of the KKK that's clearly libel.

I think you should look here:

https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation

It's complicated when the posters are cloaked by anonymity. The EFF is currently involved in a case where the webmaster may be required to reveal the ID of the person making defamatory statements.




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Is calling someone a Nazi, or a misogynist, or a white nationalist libelous ?

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Hmmm... good question! Calling someone a misogynist is probably NOT libel, unless you're linking it to a pattern of behavior.

Calling someone a nazi?

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Warning to chatroom users after libel award for man labelled a Nazi

A political argument that erupted in a remote corner of cyberspace and descended into vicious name-calling could lead to a spate of libel actions by contributors to internet message boards, the man at the centre of the case claimed yesterday.

The dark side of the blogosphere was revealed by a libel action brought by Michael Keith-Smith, a former Conservative party member who stood for Ukip in Portsmouth North at the last election. He said he was moved to sue after a woman with whom he was debating the merits of military action in Iraq began a campaign of name-calling that started by describing him as "lard brain" and culminated in falsely labelling him a "Nazi", a "racist bigot" and a "nonce".

Tracy Williams, a college lecturer from Oldham, was ordered by a high court judge to pay £10,000 in damages, as well as Mr Keith-Smith's £7,200 costs, and told never to repeat the allegations.

The case is one of the first of its kind between two private individuals to go to court and, said lawyers, highlighted issues that would become more prominent as internet usage continued to grow and blogging, social networking and community sites became yet more popular.

Mr Keith-Smith told the Guardian that he took action after a debate about the Iraq war in 2003 on a Yahoo! message board with about 100 members turned ugly. "She was very pro-Bush. Initially, she called me lard brain and I wasn't particularly concerned about that. Then she called me a Nazi," he said.
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Read more

He has also taken action against a second poster, he said, with whom he claimed to have settled for a sum "in the region of £30,000".

"They started saying I was on a sex offenders' list and that people shouldn't let me near their children," said Mr Keith-Smith, who is also chairman of the Conservative Democratic Alliance, which bills itself as "the leading voice of the radical Tory right".

He resolved to take legal action after the pair accused his wife of being a prostitute. But once his solicitors petitioned the court to find out the identity of Ms Williams, who contributed to the forum under a pseudonym, the abuse got worse.

"It's a matter of principle. I had no proof that anyone who read this took it seriously. I just didn't see why she should be allowed to get away with it," he said.

Legal experts said the case should be taken as a warning to the millions of people in the UK debating contentious issues on message boards, in chatrooms and on their own blogs that the laws of libel applied just as they would if the comments were published in a leaflet or newsletter.

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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/mar/23/digitalmedia.law

Of course, that was in Britain so their laws may differ, but if it was clear that someone was being called an ACTUAL "Nazi" ... even here ... like belonging to a Nazi party ... I think that would qualify as libel.

"White nationalist" is a lot more specific than "Nazi" because a lot of people throw the "Nazi" term around. Calling someone a "white nationalist" is getting pretty close to implying that they belong to a hate group. If someone was falsely accused of being (say) a member of the KKK that's clearly libel.

I think you should look here:

https://www.eff.org/issues/bloggers/legal/liability/defamation

It's complicated when the posters are cloaked by anonymity. The EFF is currently involved in a case where the webmaster may be required to reveal the ID of the person making defamatory statements.

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It's pretty certain the laws in the UK are different. They have no constitutional amendment for free speech in the first place, and when this happened the EU was already running the show anyhow.

I'm constantly being called a Nazi or misogynist here by the clowns. Who gives a shit? It just shows the limited vocabularies they have and the inability to debate that their low double digit IQs afford them.

You two should go ruin facebook if you're going to start throwing lawsuits around and leave fff.net alone.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

If you really want me to desist, you're going to have to do a lot better than just saying that I'm "ruining" this website; you're going to have to convince me of the error of my ways. So, start convincing me that your moral code is superior: I'm listening.

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