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The ironical part, screeching tires notwithstanding, is that you didn't get
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Namely that, we do care because it's been done to us. I remember watching a 60 minutes type broadcast when the Russians invaded Ukraine, with a real army and not the "fake" caravan invasion of 2018; and listening to a Ukraine soldier say to a Russian soldier "the Americans are with us."

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I don't know why I'm explaining this. You seem to have some semblance of intelligence, you know what I'm talking about. But noooooo, you want to play that game. Yes, we do care.

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PutinBritain has interfered in our elections, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this. And so, here we are.

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Is it here yet?



Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.

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Trump Suspends Some Asylum Rights, Calling Illegal Immigration ‘a Crisis’
Nov. 9, 2018

WASHINGTON — President Trump proclaimed on Friday that the illegal entry of immigrants across the southern border of the United States was detrimental to the national interest, spurring tough changes that will deny asylum to all migrants who do not enter through official border crossings.

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US hardens border at Tijuana to prepare for migrant caravan
IXTLAN DEL RIO, Mexico (AP) — The U.S. government said it was starting work Tuesday to “harden” the border crossing from Tijuana, Mexico, to prepare for the arrival of a migrant caravan leapfrogging its way across western Mexico.

Customs and Border Protection announced it was closing four lanes at the busy San Ysidro and Otay Mesa ports of entry in San Diego, California.

It said the closures were needed “to install and pre-position port hardening infrastructure equipment in preparation for the migrant caravan and the potential safety and security risk that it could cause.”

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Migrants from caravan begin climbing border fence in Tijuana
The first wave of migrants from the Central American caravan began climbing border fences on Tuesday after arriving at the U.S. border.

Many on the Mexican side of the border climbed the fence and sat or walked on top of it, while others jumped and crawled through openings in the fence, only to run back to the Mexico side when U.S. Border Patrol agents approached, Fox 5 San Diego reported...“As we have said repeatedly, being a member of a caravan doesn’t give you any special rights to enter the country,” Department of Homeland Security spokeswoman Katie Waldman said in a statement to the Washington Examiner. “If they arrive at a Port of Entry, they will have to wait in line in keeping with the lawful processes at our ports of entry. If they attempt to enter illegally, they will have violated U.S. criminal law and in accordance with the President’s proclamation and the Interim Final Rule they would be ineligible for asylum.”

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Tijuana Mayor Juan Manuel Gastelum said Thursday that caravan migrants arriving by the hundreds are no longer welcome, an increasingly common sentiment among residents of the Mexican border city.

Gastelum described the caravan of Central American migrants as a “horde” that has been infiltrated by criminals who now threaten the community, in an interview with Milenio Television.

“Tijuana is a city of immigrants, but we don’t want them in this way,” the mayor, a member of the conservative National Action Party, said. “It was different with the Haitians, they carried papers, they were in order. It wasn’t a horde, pardon the expression.”

Gastelum called on the Mexican government to deport the caravan migrants as soon as possible.

“You’re going to tell me we have to respect human rights,” he said. “But human rights are for law-abiding humans.”

The mayor’s comments reflected anger among many Tijuana residents at the increasing number of caravan migrants who have been streaming into the city since last weekend. About 3,000 were there as of Thursday night, and thousands more are expected to arrive over the coming weeks.

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Protesters march against migrant caravan in Tijuana; Police respond with riot gear

TIJUANA, Mexico — Hundreds of Tijuana residents, opposed to what they described as the "chaos" of the Central American migrant caravan, gathered at a prominent roundabout in Tijuana Sunday morning, before marching to a large, temporary shelter, which now holds about 2,400 migrants.

They chanted “Mexico! Mexico!” and “yes to migrants, no to invaders!” They sang the national anthem and waved Mexican flags and banners and signs, with messages urging the migrants to go home and urging the government to take action.

Some protesters said Mexico doesn’t have the resources to care for its own people, let alone migrants from Central America. They pointed to communities affected by a recent hurricane that hit Sinaloa and Nayarit, which caused flooding and other damage, as well as the homicide rate in Tijuana, which has reached an all-time high.

“Our country doesn’t have the resources to sustain itself,” said Tijuana resident Guadalupe Barrera. She held a sign that read in Spanish “no more caravans.”

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but they oppose how the migrants entered the county.

“This is not racism,” she said. “We are opposed to the invasion.”

She also said she’s concerned that the presence of the caravan would cause the U.S. to close the border, jeopardizing people who live by the Mexican border and depend on the U.S. economy.

Some said the Mexican government should follow President Donald Trump in enacting stricter border policies. They said the government should secure the southern border with Guatemala and require all immigrants to enter legally.

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I applaud Trump's action on this. Even CONSIDERING asylum for illegal border-crossers is simply rewarding illegal behavior.

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Say, did your dad come from another country? Did he sit outside the US patiently for months/years, and file papers, or did he just show up asking for entry? I don't recall the story.

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Say, did your dad come from another country? Did he sit outside the US patiently for months/years, and file papers, or did he just show up asking for entry? I don't recall the story.- GSTRING

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Say, did your dad come from another country? Did he sit outside the US patiently for months/years, and file papers, or did he just show up asking for entry? I don't recall the story.- GSTRING

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YES HE DID.

SO DID MY HUSBAND'S FAMILY.

(*mutters* ... another case of cranio-rectal inversion ...)

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Yup. I think this is a great development. I feel bad for the people of Tijuana though. I do hope the Mexican authorities take care of the problem ASAP for them.

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Wait. somebody had the gall to insinuate that Mexicans .... who are also Spanish-speaking "borwn people" ... might be "racist" against other Spanish-speaking brown people??

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Of course they did. We're talking about Lefty extremists here that will throw anybody under the bus that doesn't conform to their world view. Which is globalism.

Mexicans, specifically Tijuana residents, are not the good guys right now because rather than welcoming thousands of illegals with open arms and continuing to let them pile up along the border until we let them all in or they crash it down, they are deciding enough is enough and they are not welcome there anymore.

Sounds like "Brown Nationalism" to me. Very Trump-like. We can't have that, no siree!

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
GSTRING,

Both my dad AND my husband's family (including hubby) waited outside of the USA for as long as it took to get an immigration visa from the USA, and they were all TRUE refugees ... fleeing WWII in my dad's case and the crushing of the Hungarian Uprising (1956) in my husband's case.

Many LEGAL immigrants resent illegal immigrants because illegals are line-jumpers. Most of the anti-illegal pro-Trump comments that I heard that were by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ... who emigrated from Japan, Taiwan, Burma, China, Hungary, Mexico, Armenia etc.

If you got your head out of our ass once in a while you would have already picked up on this concept because I've only mentioned it, like, a dozen times already.

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You were missing a closed bold bracket, bracket man - hypocrite.

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GSTRING,

Both my dad AND my husband's family (including hubby) waited outside of the USA for as long as it took to get an immigration visa from the USA, and they were all TRUE refugees ... fleeing WWII in my dad's case and the crushing of the Hungarian Uprising (1956) in my husband's case.

Many LEGAL immigrants resent illegal immigrants because illegals are line-jumpers. Most of the anti-illegal pro-Trump comments that I heard that were by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ... who emigrated from Japan, Taiwan, Burma, China, Hungary, Mexico, Armenia etc.

If you got your head out of our ass once in a while you would have already picked up on this concept because I've only mentioned it, like, a dozen times already.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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GSTRING,

Both my dad AND my husband's family (including hubby) waited outside of the USA for as long as it took to get an immigration visa from the USA, and they were all TRUE refugees ... fleeing WWII in my dad's case and the crushing of the Hungarian Uprising (1956) in my husband's case.

Many LEGAL immigrants resent illegal immigrants because illegals are line-jumpers. Most of the anti-illegal pro-Trump comments that I heard that were by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS ... who emigrated from Japan, Taiwan, Burma, China, Hungary, Mexico, Armenia etc.

If you got your head out of our ass once in a while you would have already picked up on this concept because I've only mentioned it, like, a dozen times already.

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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The economists calculate it reduced the number of Mexican workers in the US by 82,647

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incomes for the low-skill workers on the American side inched up by 36 cents a year.

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Judge bars Trump administration from denying asylum to migrants who enter illegally

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/judge-bars-trump-administ
ration-denying-asylum-migrants-who-enter-illegally-n938271

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Hey, you guys know what white supremacist hate more than Jews, Polaks. Who here fits that description? kiki and sig to name two. Who loves the Polak hater Trump, kiki and sig to name two.

Fucking dummies

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Did the authors go out of their way to do a Stupid Study?

So they looked at a case where abut 550 miles of border were fenced. Say, did you know that the US/Mexican border is 3000 miles long? It seems to me that an incomplete fence would keep out SOME people, but mostly what it would do is force people to take a different route. The basis for their calculation is already flawed.

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@realDonaldTrump
Dems must approve Border Security & Wall NOW!
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Trump Says He Closed Mexican Border and Authorized Lethal Force

President Donald Trump said Thursday that he’s signed an order to close the U.S. border with Mexico, adding that he’s authorized troops to use lethal force against migrants who attempt to enter the U.S.

“If they have to,” Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Palm Beach, Florida, claiming without evidence that at least 500 criminals are among migrants trying to enter the U.S. “So I’m not going to let the military be taken advantage of. I have no choice. Do I want that to happen? Absolutely not. But you’re dealing with rough people.”

He also said that he would welcome a partial shutdown of the government over “border security.”

Trump said he had signed the order two days ago and that “I’ve already shutdown parts of the border.” He warned that the entire border may be closed if conflict with migrants escalates.

“If we find that its uncontrollable,” he said, “if we find that it gets to a level where we are going to lose control or people are going to start getting hurt, we will close entry into the country for a period of time until we can get it under control.”

“The whole border,” he continued. “I mean the whole border. And Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States where they make so many cars at great benefit to them, not at great benefit to us.”

The White House hasn’t released the order and Trump wasn’t clear about his directive. The White House didn’t immediately respond to questions about Trump’s comments.

Before the midterm elections in which Republicans lost control of the House, Trump ordered the military to reinforce the southern border, repeatedly warning voters about a so-called “caravan” of migrants making its way from Central America to the U.S. His critics called the deployment a political stunt.

Next week, Congress returns for its post-election “lame duck” session in which a top priority will be to authorize full fiscal 2019 spending plans for several agencies, including the Department of Homeland Security, the Internal Revenue Service and the National Park Service. Temporary funding for the agencies expires Dec. 7. Congress already approved full-year spending for most of the U.S. government, meaning any shutdown would be limited.

Trump has repeatedly threatened to veto spending bills if Congress continues to refuse to fund the wall, and with Democrats poised to take over the House in January, the president could force the issue in the lame-duck session.

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Honduran Migrant: 20,000 Plan to ‘March’ Across Border
By Charlotte Cuthbertson
November 24, 2018 Updated: November 24, 2018




TIJUANA, Mexico—Honduran Marco Gómez, 26, arrived in Tijuana on the evening of Nov. 22, and slept under a bridge just yards from the El Chaparral pedestrian entrance to the United States.

He was with a larger group of migrants who said they wanted to send a message to President Donald Trump “to open the gates.”

Gómez said the plan is to wait until an expected 20,000 migrants arrive in Tijuana and then enter the United States en masse.

“We’ll stay together and be strong, and then move on to the U.S.,” he said. “Peacefully, like people going from one country to another. Marching.”

He said they plan to enter through the vehicle lanes at San Ysidro, because “it’s more spacious.”

Gómez, who said he was a construction worker in Honduras, said he is not sure if he will apply for asylum.

“It’s a waste of time. It’s a process that takes months and years—it’s a long time.”
Marco Gómez (L) and several other Honduran migrants slept under a bridge across the road from the Chaparral port of entry to the United States in Tijuana, Mexico, on Nov. 23, 2018. (Charlotte Cuthbertson/The Epoch Times)

Another Honduran migrant that also camped near the border entry said his mother and his sister already made it to the United States several months ago and he plans to join them.

Frank Martinez who is traveling with his father, said they will cross illegally.

“I personally, and I know many people will attempt to do the same thing—it’s to cross illegally. I will enter illegally,” he said.

“Because we want a better life, and I’m in a hurry.”

He said Mexico has offered him asylum, but he won’t take it.

“It’s not my intention, to stay here, in this country. My intention is the United States.”
Honduran migrant Frank Martinez stands near the Chaparral port of entry to the United States in Tijuana, Mexico, on Nov. 23, 2018. (Charlotte Cuthbertson/The Epoch Times)

New plans are being made by the migrants continuously, and it’s difficult to get clear information.

However, in a video published on the Pueblo Sin Fronteras Facebook page—an open-borders group helping organize the migrants—a group of migrants at the sports complex in Tijuana can be heard saying they plan to try crossing en masse into the United States on Sunday, Nov. 25.

“The best day to go to the bridge—peacefully, not with violence—is on Sunday. And write banners with our points,” one leader is heard saying. “And we don’t want the media to publish this before we do it.”

The crowd can be heard cheering loudly when they are told that they can still apply for asylum if they cross illegally into the United States.

On Nov. 19, a federal judge overturned a presidential proclamation from Nov. 9, that said no illegal border crossers will be eligible for general asylum (other types of asylum would still be available, but require a higher burden of proof).

“We have two ways to seek political asylum in the United States—entering illegally or entering through the gate. But we need to go all, all of us,” a leader says in the video. “We do understand how we want to cross—illegally.”

The leaders stressed they wanted to enter peacefully.

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Food line at Tijuana shelter ....

https://twitter.com/i/status/1066480704115146752

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U.S.-Mexico border crossing closed after migrant protest halted in Tijuana
Lizbeth Diaz

TIJUANA, Mexico (Reuters) - The United States closed its busiest border crossing with Mexico on Sunday after Mexican police broke up a protest of Central American migrants massed in Tijuana, scattering some demonstrators toward the border where U.S. officers hurled gas canisters from the American side.

Traffic in both directions was suspended at the San Ysidro port of entry between San Diego and Tijuana, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency said on Twitter.

U.S. President Donald Trump has raised alarms about a caravan of Central American migrants as it approached the United States, with its members planning to apply for asylum on reaching the United States.

Tensions on the border had been rising in recent days, with thousands of migrants camped out in a sports stadium in Tijuana and hundreds periodically gathering near the main border crossing. The migrants have said they would wait there until they could request asylum, despite growing U.S. measures to tighten the border.

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were peacefully protesting when they were stopped by Mexican authorities, who told them to wait for permission.

As the morning wore on, and it became clear they would not get permission, people started to express frustration.

A small group broke off and headed a few hundred feet (meters) away to a part of a canal between Tijuana and San Diego that led to the border fence.

At that point, before the group had reached the border, U.S. Customs and Border Protest officers who had gathered on the other side of the fence launched canisters of what a Reuters reporter said felt and smelled like pepper.

Protesters were caught between the Mexican and U.S. authorities. A young woman fell to the ground unconscious, and two babies cried, tears streaming from the gas.

After running to relative safety a few hundred feet away, hundreds of the caravan members held a sit-in.

Later, immigrants again approached the border in groups and were met by a further volley of canisters emitting large clouds of gas.

Trump has deployed military forces to the border to support the Border Patrol and threatened on Saturday to close the entire southern border. But Sunday’s action affected only the San Ysidro crossing, the busiest port of entry between the United States and Mexico.

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The answer is NOT in the bottom of a bottle, son!

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I'm going to address this separately. I do NOT drink. I know I have addressed
this before with both you and Kiki. I know you do this to try and get me upset and fucking bang out a couple of decent curse words and go all-out ballistic on your ass. So, here's what I'm going to do for you and anyone else who wants to do this asshole petty bullshit....

Motherfucking comrade Russian troll sack of shit, bitch scumbag, Nazi hag.
Fuck you and the broom you flew in on.

It's funny how you guys always talk so much shit about suing people for slander, and how "we" should be civil and all the rest of the fucking
bullshit you spew. Well FUCK YOU very much.

Ahhhhh, I feel better already.

Have a nice day!


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I'm going to address this separately. I do NOT drink. I know I have addressed
this before with both you and Kiki. I know you do this to try and get me upset and fucking bang out a couple of decent curse words and go all-out ballistic on your ass. So, here's what I'm going to do for you and anyone else who wants to do this asshole petty bullshit....

Motherfucking comrade Russian troll sack of shit, bitch scumbag, Nazi hag.
Fuck you and the broom you flew in on.

It's funny how you guys always talk so much shit about suing people for slander, and how "we" should be civil and all the rest of the fucking bullshit you spew. Well FUCK YOU very much.

Ahhhhh, I feel better already.

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I'm pointing out the bias of the M$M (and NPR) when they constantly bleat ...

Think of the women and children!

OBVIOUSLY they want to focus on the most sympathetic characters in the caravan because they want these people here in the USA. So they interview the queer and transgendered and the women who're escaping domestic violence (which BTW does not qualify for asylum).

The M$M isn't about to break the narrative that they're trying to establish ("The poor poor migrant!!") by interviewing any of the many strapping young men who're planning to rush the border or cross illegally as soon as they get the chance, because that's not part of the propaganda that they're trying to push.

That's why I posted some on-the-ground tweets that you will never see from the M$M: To give you a more realistic view of events and people.

Yanno, maybe these lawbreaking young men are the problem in Honduras (or wherever they come from), and they're just bringing their Central American problems with them. Why would we want to import them?

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I'm pointing out the bias of the M$M (and NPR) when they constantly bleat ...

Think of the women and children!

OBVIOUSLY they want to focus on the most sympathetic characters in the caravan because they want these people here in the USA. So they interview the queer and transgendered and the women who're escaping domestic violence (which BTW does not qualify for asylum).

The M$M isn't about to break the narrative that they're trying to establish ("The poor poor migrant!!") by interviewing any of the many strapping young men who're planning to rush the border or cross illegally as soon as they get the chance, because that's not part of the propaganda that they're trying to push.

That's why I posted some on-the-ground tweets that you will never see from the M$M: To give you a more realistic view of events and people.

Yanno, maybe these lawbreaking young men are the problem in Honduras (or wherever they come from), and they're just bringing their Central American problems with them. Why would we want to import them?

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GSTRING:

The picture which features the two women and children in the foreground was from Reuters, and posted the same day as the videos which show MEN storming the wall, from Epoch Times. Also, I listened to NPR's take on the topic on the same day, which consistently misrepresented the makeup of the caravan, and soft-pedaled the lawbreaking intent of some of the migrants.

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If you're talking about me, those jobs would have paid a lot more if people weren't able to get away with paying illegals under the table at below minimum wage, which in turn stifles wages for better jobs at the same time.

Not the illegal's fault. It's our own government for not enforcing the laws we already have.

Both parties are to blame for that. Waiting to see if Trump is going to change that or if he's just full of shit like the rest of them.

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Yes - could be anyone, but you was who I was thinking about.

And this is just the kind of short thinking so many consumers make: "...those jobs would have paid a lot more if people weren't able to get away with paying illegals under the table at below minimum wage, which in turn stifles wages for better jobs at the same time."

That's exactly what I'm saying! Think it through - if those employers have to pay more, honest wages then they'll have to make up for that.... where? In the cost of goods and services. Eureka. It's all connected. Pay fair wages and everyone pays more for milk and cable, you move one thing up and it moves other things up at the same time. So which do you want on your salary? I'll take fair wages every day. Consumers tend to leave themselves out of the equation.

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