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Please. Cite somebody other than vox or Mother Jones.

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There are plenty of drug-runners and human traffickers who would be stopped by a wall.

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Nope, fact is more drugs by far enter this country through legal ports of entry. More people who stay here illegally do the same. So if you wish to stem the flow of drugs and whatever, we need to invest more money there comrade.

The airwaves and print are being flooded with the facts faster than Trump and you trolls can lie.

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Want to talk border wall. Watch this video and then we'll talk.
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Senator Bennet (D-CO) responds to Sen Ted Cruz: "These crocodile tears that the Senator from Texas is crying for first responders are too hard for me to take."

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Ezra Klein writes:

I’ve covered more than my share of shutdowns (to say nothing of debt ceiling crises, sequestration deadlines, and assorted other high-stakes congressional ridiculousness) and I know their rhythms. By now, we should be well into the let’s-make-a-deal stage. By now, congressional staffers should be coming up with all manner of possible bargains, some realistic and some less so. But we’re not.

Before you can imagine a deal you have to believe there’s someone to make a deal with. And that’s where this process is stuck. Congressional Democrats don’t believe they’ve got a partner for a deal. Any deal they make with congressional Republicans — like the spending deal that was supposed to avert this whole shutdown mess in the first place — can be abrogated by a presidential tweet. And any deal they make with President Trump can be abrogated by, well, President Trump.

“Unless the president not only publicly announces support but publishes bill text and whips it, there’s no way it wouldn’t get blown up by Miller and Bannon,” says Sen. Brian Schatz (D-HI).

The disillusionment is well earned. Over and over again, Democrats have shaken hands on an immigration deal with Trump, only to see him abandon it as soon as they leave the room. Nor is this ancient history. Trump went back on his word during the negotiations that led to the current shutdown. That was less than a month ago.

“Deals are my art form”: how Trump destroyed dealmaking in Washington
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/11/18176363/trump-border-wall-i
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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How Trump’s Shutdown Will Cripple US Economy, Explains Economist

https://www.ibtimes.com/how-trumps-shutdown-will-cripple-us-economy-ex
plains-economist-2755776

Way to go Donnie. You're destroying Obamas gains economically. Still, as hard as you've worked at it, it still took you 2 years.

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There are plenty of drug-runners and human traffickers who would be stopped by a wall.

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“I think he maybe overestimates the importance of physical barriers,” Senator John Cornyn, R – Texas, said of Trump. “But certainly that is a component of the solution. It’s technology, it’s people and barriers.”

I would add that the most important element, the one that would make all other elements unnecessary, is arresting Texans who hire illegal aliens, but the GOP, which in my experience has many Texas voters that do hire illegal aliens and yet lie that they don’t, does not want to arrest Texans by the thousands and keep them in jail until a trial as they would do with illegal aliens. Trump already has all the laws he needs to arrest those Texans, but does not. He would need no new authorization from Congress to crackdown on Texas Republicans hiring illegal aliens.

There’s growing frustration in Congress because no one knows what Trump wants.

The government shut down in the first place because Trump changed his mind. In December, the Senate, with bipartisan support, passed a spending bill that funded the government, without a border wall. Senators did so because they thought Trump would sign it — and then he said he wouldn’t.

The White House has since rejected every bipartisan deal on immigration. Trump administration officials have called for wall, but changed the definition of a wall at every turn, from steel barriers, concrete slabs, to bollards. White House officials can’t define what a “wall” is. It’s not even clear where Trump wants the “wall” to be built.

www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/24/18188532/government-shutdown
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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The Dems will cave and give Trump some if not all the money he wants, the only people who care about this shut down are the swamp people and their whores in the MSM. Trump knows this and is enjoying driving them bat shit crazy, they've pick another fight with a guy who loves to get into fights, they haven't learned that by now? Chuck and Nancy will cave and say they had to give in to save the country from this madman.

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Please. Cite somebody other than vox or Mother Jones.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Do you trust Fox News to make Trump look good? They tried, but then they had to cut Trump's sound because he was saying things that made him look sick in the head:

Trump at the border describes human trafficking in grisly detail, so grisly that Fox News is uncomfortable:

"They drive. They just go where there’s no security, where you don’t even know the difference between Mexico and the United States. There’s no line of demarcation. They just go out and where there’s no fencing, or walls or any kind, they just make a left into the United States and they come in and they have women tied up. They have tape over their mouths, electrical tape, usually blue tape, as they call it. It’s powerful stuff. Not good. And they have three, four, five of them in vans, or three of them in back seats of cars. And they just drive right in. They don’t go through your points of entry. They just go right through. And if we had a barrier of any kind — a powerful barrier, whether it’s steel or concrete — if we have a barrier, they wouldn’t be able to make that turn. They wouldn’t even bother trying."

Fox News host Dana Perino broke in and Fox News cut away from live coverage of the event.

Unfortunately, or maybe deliberately, FOX did NOT put the video on Youtube.

But you can watch video of Trump making Ms. Perino queasy at
www.vox.com/2019/1/10/18177405/trump-tape-human-trafficking-border-wal
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Trump’s disturbing, detailed, and factually dubious description of women being kidnapped — a description that’s become a staple of his case for the border wall — elicited an uncomfortable reaction from many people about Trump’s mental health: "Captive women with tape over their mouths feature prominently in Trump’s inner world."

While Fox News has gone out of its way to protect Trump in the past, it’s unclear whether the network’s decision to cut away from Trump had anything to do with the content of his comments.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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