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Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:24 AM

Don't Expect Mueller to Charge a Grand Conspiracy

As America anxiously awaits special counsel Robert Mueller’s so-called “final report” and proof of “collusion,” it should be wary of two truths: Mueller may never write a full “final report,” and any bombshells he reveals are unlikely to outline a grand conspiracy. This will not be a failure of the investigation but rather of our own expectations.

Federal prosecutors aren’t historians or journalists. They don’t craft narratives. (And they almost never write reports.) They investigate potential violations of federal law. Although those investigations can be wide-ranging, charges are usually written narrowly—and for a good reason. It is not easy to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

http://time.com/5472317/mueller-investigation-results/

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 9:38 AM

They're already letting you down lightly, huh?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

They're already letting you down lightly, huh?

You haven't been paying attention. I think Trump and others are going down hard. I just posted a different perspective is all. While it's entirely possible that perspective is right, I'm betting it's not.

tick tac

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 1:40 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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FBI email chain may provide most damning evidence of FISA abuses yet

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/419901-fbi-email-chain-may-provide-m
ost-damning-evidence-of-fisa-abuses-yet

The way I think this is going is that the FBI tried cooking up "evidence" against Trump and entrapping some of Trump's campaign people, but knowing that any "evidence" resulting from a bad FISA warrant would be fruit of the poisonous tree, Mueller has been taking another tack: Charging Trump associates with unrelated crimes and "process" crimes and shaking them down for whatever he can get them to admit to (or fabricate).

I think Trump has some very damaging information in his back pocket, which he will save in order to defend his son or his business interests - not anything to do with "collusion" or conspiracy because that will fizzle on its own.

I think it's a shame that he'll refrain from exposing the swamp ... which needs serious drainage ... for personal reasons. Maybe Trump will prove me wrong and make a bold move, but so far he's played it very conservatively and kept whatever ammunition he has to himself.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 7:28 PM

Are we still waiting for Monday, 3 December for the big news?

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:37 PM

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are we still waiting for Monday, 3 December for the big news?

Nope. This time, according to T, we've got something special to look forward to tomorrow.

Good thing I work tonight. I just don't think I'd be able to get any sleep. /sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:44 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are we still waiting for Monday, 3 December for the big news?

Nope. This time, according to T, we've got something special to look forward to tomorrow.

Good thing I work tonight. I just don't think I'd be able to get any sleep. /sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Is tomorrow Monday in your time zone?

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 8:46 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are we still waiting for Monday, 3 December for the big news?

Nope. This time, according to T, we've got something special to look forward to tomorrow.

Good thing I work tonight. I just don't think I'd be able to get any sleep. /sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Is tomorrow Monday in your time zone?

No. It's Friday. T's post acknowledged that tomorrow was Friday too.

I was as shocked as you were. I've gotten used to Monday being the day that nothing happens.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, December 6, 2018 10:19 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are we still waiting for Monday, 3 December for the big news?

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope. This time, according to T, we've got something special to look forward to tomorrow.

Good thing I work tonight. I just don't think I'd be able to get any sleep. /sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I actually don't read what THUGGER posts except what catches my eye as I'm scrolling - but I didn't see him specify THIS friday. Did he mean THIS friday? Or could it be next friday? Or some friday next year? Or some friday whenever?

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Friday, December 7, 2018 2:38 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by 1kiki:
Quote:
Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Are we still waiting for Monday, 3 December for the big news?
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nope. This time, according to T, we've got something special to look forward to tomorrow.

Good thing I work tonight. I just don't think I'd be able to get any sleep. /sarcasm

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I actually don't read what THUGGER posts except what catches my eye as I'm scrolling - but I didn't see him specify THIS friday. Did he mean THIS friday? Or could it be next friday? Or some friday next year? Or some friday whenever?

Last Friday in January 2025.

I suspect that 6ix is the only one feeding the Troll. Or reading the Troll.

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Friday, December 7, 2018 7:58 AM

You do realize that you both just fed and read by proxy, right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, December 7, 2018 1:33 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
You do realize that you both just fed and read by proxy, right?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Neither of us quoted the Troll. Exchange of discussion between 2 reasonable folk like me and her can be separate from Trolls, and are likely beyond comprehension of a Troll.

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Friday, December 7, 2018 2:40 PM

Stay tuned if you wish to learn which of Trumps circle gets sentenced next. To the trolls here, why don't you start a thread for all of Obamas' circle that get sentenced.

Now that's funny don't you think. I think that's funny.

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Wednesday, December 12, 2018 2:55 PM

Michael Cohen Sentenced to 3 Years After Implicating Trump in Hush-Money Scandal

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/michael-cohen-sentenced-to-3-y
ears-after-implicating-trump-in-hush-money-scandal/ar-BBQQ4vv?ocid=spartanntp

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Wednesday, December 12, 2018 2:57 PM

And there's more to it than just paying off the porn star.

Cohen sang like a bird. Rumors are that he recorded conversations with Trump.

Mueller isn't saying much. Yet.

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Thursday, December 20, 2018 7:27 AM

Mystery Sealed Document In Cohen Case Placed In Vault In Federal Court

A mysterious sealed document in Michael Cohen’s criminal case was referenced in the online court docket in federal court Wednesday.

The docket entry notes only that the sealed document was “placed in vault” with the Southern District of New York in Manhattan. There is no information on what type of document it is, or even the word count. It’s not even clear if it’s just a clerical note referencing an action involving a previously sealed document, or a new document being filed in the case.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/sealed-document-cohen-case-pla
ced-vault

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Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:42 PM

Michael Cohen gets 3 years, says Trump's 'dirty deeds' led him to 'choose darkness'

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/michael-cohen-gets-3-years-cases-
involving-stormy-daniels-lying-n946956

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Friday, January 11, 2019 6:29 PM

Only 3 years? He must have given them a shit ton of evidence.

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Thursday, February 14, 2019 2:23 PM

Manafort-linked lobbyist Sam Patten to be sentenced in April

He pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent for Ukraine's Opposition Bloc last August and agreed to cooperate with government prosecutors, including special counsel Robert Mueller. The U.S. attorney's office in D.C. handled his case on a referral from Mueller's office.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/manafort-linked-lobbyist-sam-p
atten-to-be-sentenced-in-april/ar-BBTygUj?ocid=spartanntp#image=1

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Thursday, February 14, 2019 8:44 PM

Stormy Daniels and the Ukrane, you say.

Still didn't hear anything about Russia.

Once again, I've said it from the beginning that I'm happy to see so many corrupt people go down for it, no matter what party they're from.

Kind of fucked though when they're getting two week jail stints here and three years here when until recently 3 time pot dealers faced 25 years to life, no?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, February 18, 2019 5:07 PM

‘This. Is. Not. Okay’: Legal Experts Say Roger Stone’s Judge-Crosshairs Stunt Could Land Him Behind Bars
https://lawandcrime.com/legal-analysis/this-is-not-okay-legal-experts-
say-roger-stones-judge-crosshairs-stunt-could-land-him-behind-bars/

A google reverse image search shows that this image, with that background, was first published on February 4th in two places:

Russia News Now https://www.therussophile.org/mueller-clinton-conflict-of-interest.htm
l/

AND

Some deep-state bullshit blogspot https://americans4innovation.blogspot.com/

Roger obviously tried to crop it to remove a watermark, but he left the bullseye part. I don't want to hear any nonsense about how it's not a threat; leaving the bullseye in is still threatening, and he easily could've gotten the same image without the added bullseye by doing a google image search. Additionally, it's clearly part of a Russian propaganda effort. What a dumb ass.

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Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:01 AM

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Wednesday, February 20, 2019 10:40 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

"The episode was among the first of multiple ham-handed efforts by the president to carry out a dual strategy: publicly casting the Russia story as an overblown hoax and privately trying to contain the investigation's reach."

www.cnn.com/2019/02/19/politics/donald-trump-new-york-times-russia-inv
estigation/index.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:50 PM

Fox News' Judge Napolitano: NYT report demonstrates Donald Trump's "corrupt intent"

Judge Andrew Napolitano, a close friend of President Donald Trump and frequent contributor to Fox News, told anchor Shepard Smith on Tuesday that the president may face legal trouble if an explosive report about him in The New York Times is true.

https://www.salon.com/2019/02/20/fox-news-judge-napolitano-nyt-report-
demonstrates-donald-trumps-corrupt-intent/

I hope we have enough room on this thread to post when Trump is indicted and then sentenced.

tick tock

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Wednesday, February 20, 2019 12:52 PM

Who knows? Maybe we'll still be asking ourselves that question two years from now.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 8, 2019 8:15 AM

OK, Manafort gets 4 years for fraud. He already plead guilty so on the 13th he is looking at another 10 years for conspiracy against the United States.

tick tock Paul

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Friday, March 8, 2019 9:36 AM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
OK, Manafort gets 4 years for fraud. He already plead guilty so on the 13th he is looking at another 10 years for conspiracy against the United States.

tick tock Paul

Judge was anti-prosecution from the onset, many red flags.

The lawyer saying "No Collusion" outside afterwards... what in the hell does this conman have over all of these people's heads??? I can't imagine how there can be this many weak individuals in such high offices.

FWIW: I'd be a terrible Judge and I'm not much better as an interested spectator. As much as I think punishment is deserved, I am no advocate for throwing people in jail as a solution. Nobody wins. Life becomes pretty much meaningless in jail. How many humans just counting time in US jails? 2.3 million? Such a waste.

Anyway... I couldn't help but notice a drawing from the courtroom showing Manafort in a wheelchair with a cane. Ummmm....

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Friday, March 8, 2019 12:37 PM

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
As much as I think punishment is deserved, I am no advocate for throwing people in jail as a solution. Nobody wins. Life becomes pretty much meaningless in jail. How many humans just counting time in US jails? 2.3 million? Such a waste.

Well... says you. Prison labor is big business.

Why pay Americans to work when you can outsource it to India for 1/5th of the price, you say?

Well why ship the work to India and piss off people calling customer service with hard to understand accents when we can pay people who speak "'merican!" working right out of our prison systems for pennies on the dollar?

I keep hoping that scene from Marc Maron's show will end up on YouTube, but until it does, here's something not nearly as funny to illustrate the point.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Friday, March 8, 2019 2:36 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
OK, Manafort gets 4 years for fraud. He already plead guilty so on the 13th he is looking at another 10 years for conspiracy against the United States.

tick tock Paul

Judge was anti-prosecution from the onset, many red flags.

The lawyer saying "No Collusion" outside afterwards... what in the hell does this conman have over all of these people's heads??? I can't imagine how there can be this many weak individuals in such high offices.

FWIW: I'd be a terrible Judge and I'm not much better as an interested spectator. As much as I think punishment is deserved, I am no advocate for throwing people in jail as a solution. Nobody wins. Life becomes pretty much meaningless in jail. How many humans just counting time in US jails? 2.3 million? Such a waste.

Anyway... I couldn't help but notice a drawing from the courtroom showing Manafort in a wheelchair with a cane. Ummmm....

Yeah, remember him rushing from here to there just a month ago. Any who, Mueller took millions from him as well. So many the Russia investigation is making a profit.

He got his. Still it sends a message white collar crime pays well so it's worth risking a few years in jail.

The way they keep saying no collusion will come back to haunt them in a major way if Trump or any of his family are charged with conspiracy. What's left for them to say then besides opps? Wait wait I know. Never mind...

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Friday, March 8, 2019 3:39 PM

In all, 34 people and three companies have been criminally charged as a result of the probe. So far...

tick tock

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Friday, March 8, 2019 4:27 PM

*yawn*

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 9, 2019 8:19 AM

Manafort still faces another trial and more charges. They could tack on a lot more time, if they get a less sold-out judge.

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Saturday, March 9, 2019 8:28 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Manafort still faces another trial and more charges. They could tack on a lot more time, if they get a less sold-out judge.

True reaver. I've noticed our local troll says he's bored by it all. Apparently it only matters to him and his friends if you break the law and are not affiliated with Trump. Then, even if there's no proof they'll rant about it for years.

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Saturday, March 9, 2019 9:49 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Manafort still faces another trial and more charges. They could tack on a lot more time, if they get a less sold-out judge.

True reaver. I've noticed our local troll says he's bored by it all. Apparently it only matters to him and his friends if you break the law and are not affiliated with Trump. Then, even if there's no proof they'll rant about it for years.

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Really... who cares?

You have given those with an agenda carte blanche to do whatever they wanted to, investigate anybody in the world they wanted to, all based off of a fake dossier created and paid for by the Jeb Bush campaign that was passed through a FISA rubber stamping court, all for more than two years now.

They have turned up zero Russian collusion.

ZERO.

The best we've seen is 4 years with time served for Manafort, for completely unrelated charges 10 years before the Trump campaign, and Roger Stone, who we all know is corrupt as hell is still a free man.

You've got NOTHIN', bud. Not a goddamned thing.

I truly feel sorry for you because of how emotionally invested you are in this. It's sad. It's like watching somebody who bought Bitcoin at it's peak and is still holding onto it now that it's only worth $3k.

Your entire life for the last two years has meant nothing. But hey, at least you didn't drink it away. It could have been worse.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 9, 2019 10:24 AM

I see our local troll hasn't lost a step when it comes to changing his positions and misrepresenting what others believe.

Shoo troll

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Saturday, March 9, 2019 1:12 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
I see our local troll hasn't lost a step when it comes to changing his positions and misrepresenting what others believe.

Shoo troll

T

You'd better explain yourself in detail here, or else we're all just going to chalk this up to yet another nonsensical, garbage tier post coming from your IP address.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Saturday, March 9, 2019 4:41 PM

17 investigations going on now concerning Trump; 17. And those are the ones we know of. This is going to be one busy thread for a long time to come.

tick tock

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Saturday, March 9, 2019 6:12 PM

That's what I thought.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:01 AM

Explain myself, that's precious. Shoo troll...

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Sunday, March 10, 2019 9:26 AM

That is precious. Why should anybody expect you to start explaining your asinine comments now after all of these years?

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, March 11, 2019 2:19 AM

No Collusion.......you guys are really doubling down on that aspect of crime, you know, aside from money laundering, witness tampering, and all-around general thuggery. To be honest, I can't keep up with all the dirt Mueller's got on those scumbags in the White House.

Well surely Manafort got what he deserved last week, now didn't he? I guess that old adage is slightly askew; it does pay to fuck with the system. I gotta
remember to kill motherfuckers in Washington, DC because Judge Softy will have
pity on me and give me months off from fucking people over and washing money with the best of them.

Whoa, wait....it wouldn't work....my skin is the wrong color. Oh well...Living
in America has it's advantages. American Express, don't leave home without it.

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You know that the RUSSIA COLLUSION!!!! aspect of the Mueller witch hunt has been a dry hole so far because Mueller is veering off into "Stormy Daniels" territory.

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America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

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Monday, March 11, 2019 2:33 AM

Lock her up...indeed!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha!

It's just too funny....let's see his riveting speech, shall we!

Notice the brilliant use of foreshadowing when he describes his crime.
No Collussion.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

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Monday, March 11, 2019 8:48 AM

Of course you can't keep up with it. That's the whole point behind the investigation after it was realized that it was a partisan hit job based off of the falsified Steele Dossier that got rubber stamped in a FISA court.

Given such a gigantic net the likes that our government has ever seen, of course there were going to be plenty of crimes found. I'm always talking about the first rule of being in politics or high up in the bureaucracy is that you're corrupt as fuck, no matter which side you're on.

What you've failed to recognize is that not one single thing that has happened, not one single person who has been indited, not one single criminal offense putting these idiots behind bars has been linked to Trump, has been linked to Russia, and/or has even occurred in the last decade.

He hasn't built the wall or saved the economy, but at least a lot of the swamp is being drained.

Keep freaking out about all of this at the expense of your own health if you want to. I just hope none of you guys hurt yourselves when it's all said and done and nothing happens to Trump and you have to deal with him being your President until 2024.

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
No Collusion.......you guys are really doubling down on that aspect of crime, you know, aside from money laundering, witness tampering, and all-around general thuggery. To be honest, I can't keep up with all the dirt Mueller's got on those scumbags in the White House.

Well surely Manafort got what he deserved last week, now didn't he? I guess that old adage is slightly askew; it does pay to fuck with the system. I gotta
remember to kill motherfuckers in Washington, DC because Judge Softy will have
pity on me and give me months off from fucking people over and washing money with the best of them.

Whoa, wait....it wouldn't work....my skin is the wrong color. Oh well...Living
in America has it's advantages. American Express, don't leave home without it.

sgg

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You know that the RUSSIA COLLUSION!!!! aspect of the Mueller witch hunt has been a dry hole so far because Mueller is veering off into "Stormy Daniels" territory.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

America is an oligarchy
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:36 AM

It's sad SHINYGOODGUY, the dummy has learned nothing. He's saying the same thing he was saying two years ago despite the evidence that laws were broken. Crying others did it to, is not a defense that holds up in court.

tick tock

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Tuesday, March 12, 2019 10:44 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Lock her up...indeed!

Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, haaaaaaaaa, ha, ha, ha!

It's just too funny....let's see his riveting speech, shall we!

Notice the brilliant use of foreshadowing when he describes his crime.
No Collussion.

SGG

Quote:
Originally posted by reaverfan:

Love your post showing those who yelled lock her up the loudest heading off to jail. To funny...

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Tuesday, March 12, 2019 8:43 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
It's sad SHINYGOODGUY, the dummy has learned nothing. He's saying the same thing he was saying two years ago despite the evidence that laws were broken. Crying others did it to, is not a defense that holds up in court.

tick tock

T

lol...

Sure. Laws were broken. People are going to jail. It always puts a smile on my face when a politician or high level bureaucrat from either side finally gets theirs. I wish the Mueller investigation would become a permanent fixture and an agency of its own, one day stripped of its obvious political bias and become a watchdog against all politicians and bureaucrats and their illegal activities, of course.

Unfortunately, you don't know when you're being played, and they know that. The Mueller investigation has not done one single thing it initially set out to do. There is no Trump/Russia connection. Trump isn't going to be impeached. Trump is most likely going to win in 2020 and you've still got almost 6 more years of dealing with him.

The entirety of this investigation, and all the people who have gone down with it, are just covering up the fact that it was baseless in the first place, and it all stemmed from a falsified dossier that was procured by the Jeb Bush campaign before the primaries of 2016.

Like I said, I'm happy to see these crooks go down. But at the same time, you're just wasting more of your time and emotional and mental health if you keep holding out hope that it will ultimately result in the end of the Trump presidency.

Because it won't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:37 PM

Short answer, Manafort gets more than 3½ additional years in prison. He will spend the next 7 1/2 years in jail. Add to that all the millions confiscated due to tax fraud. So much so Muellers investigation is still in the black.

tick tock

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 12:48 PM

Manafort just indicted by the NY district court on 18 counts, there goes his pardon. To bad...

So sad Paul, tickety tock tickety tock

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:11 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

So just OOC, what does this have to do with RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! or Trump?

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

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Wednesday, March 13, 2019 1:34 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So just OOC, what does this have to do with RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!! or Trump?

Two years now and the investigation is proceeding. I could see why you are so stressed about it comrade. And to answer your question. At least 13 of your Russian comrades and 3 Russian state owned companies charged so far. They are after all, Russian Russian Russian.

To funny

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