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I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before becoming an ecofsacist

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It;s true: He called himself an "eco fascist"

He described his political evolution this way:

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I was a communist, then an anarchist and finally a libertarian before becoming an ecofsacist

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He also described himself as a member of the new Knights Templar and a white man.

He may as well have thrown in antifa while he was at it, because he had a fruit salad of self-descriptions.

The reality is, whatever you call yourself - antifa, eco-fascist, jihadist, USMC, or white supremacist - when you start killing non-combatants in order to instill a sense of fear (the very definition of "shock and awe") you are a TERRORIST. Your cause, your organization, the "side" that you're on - doesn't matter. It's what you do that counts.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I'm not sure that he was. I haven't looked into it, and his manifesto has been taken down, but he seemed to have a potpourri of reasons.

In any case, the fact remains that if you start terrorizing people for political ends - no matter what those ends might be - you are, by definition, a terrorist. I don't feel the need to try and create categories of "good" and "bad" terrorists. No matter how compelling you believe your cause to be (and I would imgaine that ALL terrorists believe that their cause is the most compelling cause possible!) just be prepared to be labelled as a terrorist if you engage in terrorism. It seems pretty clear to me.

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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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REAVERBOT: What's with this "sides" shit? I'm discussing what A PERSON does. When A PERSON terrorizes other people for political end, that PERSON is a terrorist. Acts of terrorism are acts of terrorism, no matter who does them, or why.

Now, if you REALLY feel that "your cause" justifies violence, then of course follow your dream... just don't expect a lot of people to approve/excuse your behavior.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Both sides are just as bad.

I do hope that you're regularly getting the ass kickings in real life that you deserve, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It;s true: He called himself an "eco fascist" .

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Originally posted by reaverfan:
He was quite clear about why.

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Both sides are just as bad.

I do hope that you're regularly getting the ass kickings in real life that you deserve, Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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KUHNER: How Obama arms al Qaeda
President Obama has crossed a moral red line. Recently, he did the unthinkable: He announced that the U.S. government would directly arm terrorist groups in Syria.

Mr. Obama said that he would waive a federal law designed to prevent weapons from being sent to designated-terrorist organizations. In particular, the president cited a provision in the Arms Export Control Act that enables him to provide assistance to outlawed groups, provided it is “essential to the national security interests of the United States.” Mr. Obama’s actions may be legal, but they are reckless, dangerous and will haunt America for years to come.

The administration’s goal is to provide military assistance to the Syrian opposition rebels, who are determined to overthrow strongman Bashar Assad. Syria’s bloody civil war has cost more than 100,000 lives and plunged the Arab nation into a sectarian bloodbath. Contrary to media spin, however, the anti-Assad rebels are not “moderates.” They are not seeking to forge an Arab Switzerland — a tolerant, multiethnic democracy.

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America has suffered a terror attack every year under Obama
America has now averaged one serious Islamic terrorist attack a year on President Obama’s watch, yet he still insists the threat from radical Islam is overblown and that he’s successfully protecting the nation.

If only hubris could be weaponized! In the wake of Omar Mateen’s Orlando massacre, Obama whined about growing criticism of his terror-fighting strategy. But boy, does he deserve it. His record on terrorism is terrible, and Hillary Clinton should have a tough time defending it.

Here we are in the eighth year of his presidency, and the nation has now suffered eight significant attacks by Islamist terrorists on US soil or diplomatic property — an average of one attack a year since Obama’s been in office, with each new attack seemingly worse than the last. [Here are the first seven]
December 2015: Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik, a married Pakistani couple, stormed a San Bernardino County government building with combat gear and rifles and opened fire on about 80 employees enjoying an office Christmas party. They killed 14 after pledging loyalty to ISIS. A third Muslim was charged with helping buy weapons.

July 2015: Mohammad Abdulazeez opened fire on a military recruiting center and US Navy Reserve center in Chattanooga, Tenn., where he shot to death four Marines and a sailor. Obama refused to call it terrorism.

May 2015: ISIS-directed Muslims Nadir Soofi and Elton Simpson opened fire on the Curtis Culwell Center in Garland, Texas, shooting a security guard before police took them down.

April 2013: Dzhokhar and Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Muslim brothers from Chechnya, exploded a pair of pressure-cooker bombs at the Boston Marathon, killing three and wounding more than 260. At least 17 people lost limbs from the shrapnel.

September 2012: Terrorists with al Qaeda in the Maghreb attacked the US Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, killing the US ambassador, a US Foreign Service officer and two CIA contractors. Obama and then-Secretary of State Clinton misled the American people, blaming the attack on an anti-Muslim video.

November 2009: Army Maj. Nidal Hasan opened fire on fellow soldiers at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 13. Obama ruled it “workplace violence,” even though Hasan was in contact with an al Qaeda leader before the strikes and praised Allah as he mowed down troops.

June 2009: Al Qaeda-trained Abdulhakim Muhammad opened fire on an Army recruiting office in Little Rock, Ark., killing Pvt. William Long and wounding Pvt. Quinton Ezeagwula.

So there you have it — an average of one serious terror strike against the United States every year on Obama’s watch. And we’re not even counting the underwear bomber, Times Square bomber, Fed Ex bombs and other near-misses.

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Syria.

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Obama Invites Inciters of Cop-Killers to the White House

Obama hosts a roundtable of Black Lives Matter racists and useful idiots.

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Obama Invites Inciters of Cop-Killers to the White House

Obama hosts a roundtable of Black Lives Matter racists and useful idiots.

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"I think there's some really good people on both sides..."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
I believe Obama still leads everyone else in the category of inviting radical hate groups into the White House.

Obama Invites Inciters of Cop-Killers to the White House

Obama hosts a roundtable of Black Lives Matter racists and useful idiots.

https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/263505/obama-invites-inciters-cop-kil
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Lemmie know when Trump does the same.

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Originally posted by reaverfan:

Deflecting with more of your tinfoil nut job crap.

Can you just admit that this guy was a white supremacist who was incited to do what he did by reichwing pundits and Trump? Is that so hard to do?

Can you just admit that all the terrorism in the US today is done by white supremacists, who adore Trump and see him as their leader?

Can you just admit it?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I read an interpretation why this man fixed on Muslims: According to him, overpopulation is the main problem and nonwhites breed faster.

That's what I would have assumed was the link between ecoterrorism and killing Muslims, but since his manifesto has been taken down I suppose we'll never know.

Otoh he also wanted to spark a civil war in the USA, so it's possible that we could be arguing over his manifesto forever too

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Still, terrorism is a TACTIC, not a "side". It's been employed by the Irish (IRA), Muslims on both sides of the Sunni/Shia divide, nations like the USA and Saudi Arabia, far-left groups like Sendero Luminoso and the Black Bloc, and white power groups. It's ridiculous to try and paint one "side" as terrorist and another "side" as not when they both employ the same tactic.


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"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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It's evident to me that RF hasn't yet grappled with the idea that the difference between his terrorism and the terrorism in NZ is one that exits only in his head.

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It's evident to me that RF hasn't yet grappled with the idea that the difference between his terrorism and the terrorism in NZ is one that exits only in his head.

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He wants to think that there's "good terrorism" (his) as opposed to "bad" terrorism ("theirs")

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A terrorist is a terrorist and "sides" had nothing to do with it.

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A terrorist is a terrorist and "sides" had nothing to do with it.

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I thought you were the person that was interested in solutions? How would you solve the problem of terrorism if you don't know what motivates terrorists?

Seems basic - to not acknowledge that is pretty suspicious.

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Everyone knows comrade sig hates Jews. And to keep it real that hatred spreads outward with her.

As for comrade rue ( kiki ) shoo

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What is the "cause" of terrorism?

It's when a person feels so righteous in their cause, and when they have so completely dehumanized the "other side", that they feel free to commit violence categorically against people who aren't committing violence against them.

Like when REAVERBOT advocates violence against people, not because they're committing violence but because he thinks that they're right-wingers who "deserve" violence. (REAVERBOT has advocated violence against white males more than once. As a reminder, REAVERBOT's justification of aggressive violence against white males prompted "Punch a Nazi" posts in reply.)

The specific "cause" doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if the terrorist's goal is Irish independence, or "freedom for the opppressed", or the greater glory of Allah, or the hegemony of white people ...

The "cause" of terrorism is radicalization of one's viewpoint, where one starts defining EVERYONE in terms of "sides", and then dehumanizing the other "side" to the point where their deaths are an acceptable tactic.


REAVERBOT is heading in that direction. Some of his posts advocating violence could be considered the beginnings of his own manifesto.

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The "cause" of terrorism is radicalization of one's viewpoint, where one starts defining EVERYONE in terms of "sides", and then dehumanizing the other "side" to the point where their deaths are an acceptable tactic.

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It's evident to me that RF hasn't yet grappled with the idea that the difference between his terrorism and the terrorism in NZ is one that exits only in his head.

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He wants to think that there's "good terrorism" (his) as opposed to "bad" terrorism ("theirs")

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"My" terrorism? Really?

Oh, do tell me more, Russian trolls. What is "my" terrorism?

I can use a laugh.

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Choosing to, or being forced to, live in an information bubble where they only hear one side. Not listening to anyone else AS AN INDIVIDUAL.

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The best way to understand how this works is to see how it works in reverse: People who have been radicalized but who, thru circumstance, have been forced to communicate with an individual of the hated target group have at times broken out of their bubble and reversed their prejudices.

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"I'll Carry Out A Massacre": Bus Full Of Kidnapped Italian Children Set On Fire By Senegalese-Born Driver (com - fortunately, no one was hurt)

Update: The driver, a 47-year-old father of two whose ex-wife is Italian, has been charged with carnage and kidnapping of 51 students, according to the Daily Mail.

According to the a police commander, the the driver, Ousseynou Sy, threatened the passengers - "telling them that 'no one would survive today." as he dcommandeered the bus carrying two middle-school classes in Cremona province around 25 miles from Milan."

He was said to have ordered the children's hands to be bound and threatened to kill them and himself during the drive, before setting the vehicle on fire when he was stopped by a police blockade today.
As he was apprehended, the driver said he was protesting migrant deaths in the Mediterranean, Commander Luca De Marchis told Sky TG24. -Daily Mail

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-03-20/ill-carry-out-massacre-bus-f
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