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Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

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Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

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It's funny ironic how people who clearly don't understand English complain about books in bookstores.

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Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

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It's funny ironic how people who clearly don't understand English complain about books in bookstores.

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You're going to have to clarify that statement.

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
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(in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"


The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.


I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.


BTW....

IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Have you forgotten that Fascist Socialists love their fellow Fascist Socialists?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2. (in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

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I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

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2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

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3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

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Your brain overheats pretty quickly, doesn't it? Some bookstore in New Zealand doesn't want to carry someone's book and you go on full outrage. Talk about FEELZ, "they're not carrying a book I just heard about in New Zealand!! Whaaaa....!"

A private business can choose what to sell and what not too - UNLESS... maybe you want the government making those choices? Are you against private businesses being free to decide what they sell?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2. (in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

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Let me help you (even though it's a pointless exercise): Censorship is obviously not censorship - obviously there are different meanings depending on context and how it's used. In fact, you just proved that by offering up different definitions. You went out of your way to say that this case, the one you are so inflamed about, had nothing to do with government actions: "The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship" So are you just an angry fan?

Let's talk Banning. Are you for or against pedophiles being able to hang out in chat rooms trying to engage with minors? Or would you ban them from your forum if you owned one? You shouldn't have to think this through, but go ahead, take your time and let us know.

Sorry, censorship and banning in their most common use - at least in the way that would explain your outrage - almost always has a government component, usually in regards to gov overreach. See: Russia, Barr Report.

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I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

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Devoid of any understanding or knowledge, it would seem, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

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Oh, how about:
It is NOT ironic that you would think so.
It IS ironic, that someone who purports to care so much about words has so little understanding of their meanings. You mean like that?

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3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

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So all private bookstores should be forced to carry all books? By government mandate or is this a new religious thing? You see how that sounds, right?

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IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

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It's not ironic - it's called Freedom. Look it up.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Your brain overheats pretty quickly, doesn't it? Some bookstore in New Zealand doesn't want to carry someone's book and you go on full outrage. Talk about FEELZ, "they're not carrying a book I just heard about in New Zealand!! Whaaaa....!"

A private business can choose what to sell and what not too - UNLESS... maybe you want the government making those choices? Are you against private businesses being free to decide what they sell?

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Large bookstore chain in New Zealand bans Jordan Peterson's book. (ie: Censorship)

Let me help you out...

Censorship

1. the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security.
"the regulation imposes censorship on all media"
2. (in ancient Rome) the office or position of censor.
"he celebrated a triumph together with his father and they held the censorship jointly"

The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship, which is what you apparently seem to be mistaking here.

Censorship is censorship.

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Let me help you (even though it's a pointless exercise): Censorship is obviously not censorship - obviously there are different meanings depending on context and how it's used. In fact, you just proved that by offering up different definitions. You went out of your way to say that this case, the one you are so inflamed about, had nothing to do with government actions: "The actual definition of censorship makes no mention of GOVERNMENT censorship" So are you just an angry fan?

Let's talk Banning. Are you for or against pedophiles being able to hang out in chat rooms trying to engage with minors? Or would you ban them from your forum if you owned one? You shouldn't have to think this through, but go ahead, take your time and let us know.

Sorry, censorship and banning in their most common use - at least in the way that would explain your outrage - almost always has a government component, usually in regards to gov overreach. See: Russia, Barr Report.

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I'd also be remiss if I didn't point out that there are three major problems with your sentence as well.

1. Devoid of any punctuation, it would seem that you originally had posted that it was funny, but then you went back in to edit it to put ironic in there, but subsequently forgot to remove funny.

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Devoid of any understanding or knowledge, it would seem, as usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

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2. You are abusing the word irony. https://www.dictionary.com/e/ironic/

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Oh, how about:
It is NOT ironic that you would think so.
It IS ironic, that someone who purports to care so much about words has so little understanding of their meanings. You mean like that?

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3. The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

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So all private bookstores should be forced to carry all books? By government mandate or is this a new religious thing? You see how that sounds, right?

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IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

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It's not ironic - it's called Freedom. Look it up.

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Your "pedophile" argument is a false equivalency.

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Even Marcos says that Peterson's book is nothing but self-help pablum.

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OK. Then it is just another example of your shitty grammar. I accept that. You just need to accept that people will continue to be confused by what you post until you learn how to write.

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The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

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Not at all. But the bookstore in question made a big public announcement about what they were doing and why they did it. It's called virtue signalling.

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IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

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Way to not answer much.

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Your "pedophile" argument is a false equivalency.

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Wait - you said yourself censorship is censorship. Changing your mind? You're in favor of banning a pedophile's speech, right? Or maybe not? Which is it?

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Even Marcos says that Peterson's book is nothing but self-help pablum.

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Ok?

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OK. Then it is just another example of your shitty grammar. I accept that. You just need to accept that people will continue to be confused by what you post until you learn how to write.

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Sorry I confused you so much.

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The "people" which you're claiming have no knowledge about the English language aren't complaining about the books they have in bookstores, but about the books that a particular bookstore doesn't have.

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^Repeated because it's just damn funny. I'm going to call Chick-fil-a and complain that they don't have hamburgers. "Why are you censoring food!"

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Not at all. But the bookstore in question made a big public announcement about what they were doing and why they did it. It's called virtue signalling.

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So it's not censorship - great, we agree.

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IRONICALLY, despite the best efforts of New Zealand bookstore chain Whitcoulls attempt at censoring material that it has deemed dangerous to society, you can still purchase a copy of Mein Kampf through their outlets.

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Ok, it's a tad ironic. Presumably, the books are pretty different. Guess that's what you call Freedom to sell what you want. Pretty awesome right.

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You can find Jordan fucking Peterson in wiki, too. Nowhere does the article mention he is a right-wing nut job teaching psychology at a University.

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There are still a lot of good Liberals out there.

The problem is that they're just as afraid to state their opinions on anything as most conservatives and independents are.


That's why I don't like it when JSF calls people he doesn't like Libtards. The Liberals aren't the problem. It's the Leftist extremists that have co-opted the party.

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There are still a lot of good Liberals out there.

The problem is that they're just as afraid to state their opinions on anything as most conservatives and independents are.


That's why I don't like it when JSF calls people he doesn't like Libtards. The Liberals aren't the problem. It's the Leftist extremists that have co-opted the party.

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I disagree about the source of the Liberal's cowardice. It's not the fascist-liberaloids who scared them away. They ran away long before Trump, long before TDS, and long before SECONDRATE, REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, THUGR and the rest got on the crazy-train and started spewing lies and hate nonstop.

In fact, they ran away during Obama's second term. And that was when I started criticizing Obama ever so gently, and they behaved like snowflakes and melted.

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THUGR posts about Putin so much, he must be in love.

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The problem is that they're just as afraid to state their opinions on anything as most conservatives and independents are. That's why I don't like it when JSF calls people he doesn't like Libtards. The Liberals aren't the problem. It's the Leftist extremists that have co-opted the party.

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SIX: I disagree about the source of the Liberal's cowardice. It's not the fascist-liberaloids who scared them away. They ran away long before Trump, long before TDS, and long before SECONDRATE, REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, THUGR and the rest got on the crazy-train and started spewing lies and hate nonstop.
In fact, they ran away during Obama's second term. And that was when I started criticizing Obama ever so gently, and they behaved like snowflakes and melted.

SIX: I'm not talking about Liberals that posted on this website specifically. I'm talking about all American Liberals. I didn't put any date on it either, but it certainly started before Trump. I think it goes way back before Obama too. I'd date it when Al Gore lost the election, but won the popular vote.

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SIX: I'm not talking about Liberals that posted on this website specifically. I'm talking about all American Liberals. I didn't put any date on it either, but it certainly started before Trump. I think it goes way back before Obama too. I'd date it when Al Gore lost the election, but won the popular vote.

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SIGS: Well, I guess I have a couple of questions.

Let me see if I understand what you're posting. So you think that liberals became scarce during GWB's reign?

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Are you saying that his Presidency frightened many liberal into silence?

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Bc I was here at the time, and I'd say that liberals were more or less apoplectic about his wars of choice, and about the mass surveillance that began under his direction.

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Or are you saying that the traditional antiwar Democratic liberal became polarized?

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And I guess my second question is: How reflective is this board of the USA in general? While I don't think there are as many nut-bags "out there" as there are over here, people HAVE become polarized. Yanno, if you sound an alarm long enough SOME people become traumatized. AURAPTOR was completely traumatized by IRAQ!WMD!MUSHROOMCLOUD! just as JO became traumatized by RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! and that level of emotional warping takes years to overcome.

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As for ppl like REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, SECONDRATE, and THUGR ... well, Trump's election just let the hate out that was already there. CAPTAINGSTRING is a different case: He shows all the hallmarks of being a paid liar: he was always triangulating his lies to look "reasonable" compared to the spittle that was flying here. But, he always lied. Now, I don't know of this was one of his paid gigs or this was just a hobbyist's extension of his work, but he was definitely a pro.

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Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that I can't imagine many old-fasioned liberals out there anymore.

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The M$M has put a HUGE number of ppl thru the spin cycle continuously over the past 40 years or so, and it needs a certain mental toughness not to be warped by that treatment. I can't imagine people like NIKI and MAGONS staying true to their values if they couldn't articulate them even while Obama was President. I don't even know if THEY even know what their core values are. It would be interesting to find out, but I doubt we would read it from them.

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But I agree with you: JSF is extremely hidebound, and calling anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest on any issue a "libtard" is counterproductive, at best.

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SIX: I'm not talking about Liberals that posted on this website specifically. I'm talking about all American Liberals. I didn't put any date on it either, but it certainly started before Trump. I think it goes way back before Obama too. I'd date it when Al Gore lost the election, but won the popular vote.

SIGS: Well, I guess I have a couple of questions. Let me see if I understand what you're posting. So you think that liberals became scarce during GWB's reign?

SIX: No.

SIGS: Are you saying that his Presidency frightened many liberal into silence?

SIX: No.

SIGS: Bc I was here at the time, and I'd say that liberals were more or less apoplectic about his wars of choice, and about the mass surveillance that began under his direction.

SIX: So was I. At least around late 2005/early 2006 when I joined the site.
It's one of the thing that angers me about the Democratic Party today, or at least their loudest voices. I literally hate them for pushing me so far to the right today, when 15 years ago I was arguing along side of them. I was one of GWB's largest critics here. Frem and I talked at length about the Patriot Act.

SIGS: Or are you saying that the traditional antiwar Democratic liberal became polarized?

SIX: No. I'm not saying that either.
What I'm referring to when I say that Al Gore losing is where I place the Genesis of where the Democratic Party seems to be today is that was the time that gave rise to the "new" Democrats. The Millennials who had just started graduating college through the strongest wave of Marxist indoctriation this country has ever seen (I mean, until now... It gets worse every day so you can say that phrase every day and it would be true every day).

Al Gore losing the election while winning the popular vote, and all of the controversy surrounding it like the hanging chads in Florida gave rise to the By Any Means Necessary Democrats. The pink haired Twitter weirdos. The hypocrites today that are putting John McCain, GWB, John Bolton, Mitt Romney, the Cheney family and other filth on a pedestal because they've already forgotten how absolutely terrible any of them were for the citizens of this country because they once said something shitty about Trump.

The true Liberals didn't didn't go that way. Or at least, the vast majority of them didn't.

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But they got bullied, just like conservatives did. But it was even worse for them because it was by the very party they've identified with their entire life.

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SIX: As bad as it was for me to see everything get flipped on its head over the last 2 decades, I never had or ever claimed any political affiliation. I've always said that both sides suck. It's just a different side that sucks less than the other one in 2021 than did in the mid 2000's.

But I feel bad for "classical" Liberals who have had to face the prospect of being cast out of their party, or even worse... cast out of their circle of friends and even family for speaking up. It's that, or just shut up and pretend you're on board with them. Or doing the unspeakable and just walking away.

SIGS: And I guess my second question is: How reflective is this board of the USA in general? While I don't think there are as many nut-bags "out there" as there are over here, people HAVE become polarized. Yanno, if you sound an alarm long enough SOME people become traumatized. AURAPTOR was completely traumatized by IRAQ!WMD!MUSHROOMCLOUD! just as JO became traumatized by RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! and that level of emotional warping takes years to overcome.

SIX: I don't think this board in particular is at all indicative of the USA in general. Probably even less so than Twitter, and that's because there are so few of us left here. I think, at best, when this site was still roaring it was about as good of a barometer of the USA in general as Twitter is today. (Which still is to say, not very good).

Most people really don't care. Roomba would call me a Nazi when I used the term "normies", but that's what most people are. They're low info, and they choose to be low info. We live in a world now where there are so many pointless yet enjoyable distractions from real life that unless they're starving and their back is against the wall one could hardly blame them for not caring. The normies are the vast majority. The normies don't care.

Add up all the percentages of Americans that watch news on any given day. That number is in the single digits, sometimes in the low double digits if something truly "exciting" is happening.

SIGS: As for ppl like REAVERBOT, TWITCHY, SECONDRATE, and THUGR ... well, Trump's election just let the hate out that was already there. CAPTAINGSTRING is a different case: He shows all the hallmarks of being a paid liar: he was always triangulating his lies to look "reasonable" compared to the spittle that was flying here. But, he always lied. Now, I don't know of this was one of his paid gigs or this was just a hobbyist's extension of his work, but he was definitely a pro.

SIX: See this is where I disagree.

It let out the hate, sure... but an entirely new team of "highly educated" college kids came out since 2005 and infiltrated everything from the news to sports to politics to video games and comic books.

None of these people are classical Liberals. They're among the most racist and sexist people who ever lived. They are essentially a hive mind. They put very little value on the individual, and go about their lives throwing as many individual people into boxes they call "communities" as they can. Their entire mode is dividing everybody up by the most superficial characteristics that are completely out of any individual's control since they were born that way, and then riling them all up and getting them to attack each other.

SIGS: Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is that I can't imagine many old-fasioned liberals out there anymore.

SIX: Hey... I'm supposed to be the Nihilist here, remember?



I think there are a lot more of them out there than you could imagine.

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SIX: Look at any of those polls that ask the question "do you feel comfortable talking about your political beliefs".

Sure, because of today's climate you'll find that a majority of Republicans don't feel comfortable doing it. But you'll also surprisingly find that there are a great deal of Democrats who don't feel comfortable either.

Don't believe anybody who tells you the reason for that is because those Democrats are afraid of Republicans. Why on earth would they be? They have almost zero reason to be afraid of that. We live in a culture where saying something "Stunning and Brave" is neither stunning nor brave anymore. It's just what you're expected to say.

Look up the term TERF if you haven't heard about it before. Not only are these women the ones who used to be considered on the fringe of the Left from anybody who was in the center not too many years ago, but TERF itself is a derogatory statement about them by the mainstream news who claims that they are radicals on the left. Meanwhile, anybody near the center would think they're far closer to the center than the entire Legacy Media is.

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SIGS: The M$M has put a HUGE number of ppl thru the spin cycle continuously over the past 40 years or so, and it needs a certain mental toughness not to be warped by that treatment. I can't imagine people like NIKI and MAGONS staying true to their values if they couldn't articulate them even while Obama was President. I don't even know if THEY even know what their core values are. It would be interesting to find out, but I doubt we would read it from them.

SIX: I'm not going to discount the mental toll of all of this. I'm sure there are Classical Liberals who have been swallowed up by the new regime. Stockholm Syndrome does exist. And when one of your party's new slogan's is "Silence is Violence", I'd imagine it's hard to try not to have a political opinion amongst friends, collegues and family when all they ever do is think about politics and try to goad you into having an opinion... and would love nothing more than to be the one who outed you for wrong think and cast you out of their club.

SIGS: But I agree with you: JSF is extremely hidebound, and calling anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest on any issue a "libtard" is counterproductive, at best.

SIX: I view it in only a slightly better light than the Roomba going around calling everyone a Nazi or a Russian. I used to think it was far less bad than Roomba doing that everyday, but at this point Chicken Little syndrome has kicked in and nobody should even give a shit when somebody calls somebody else a Nazi or a Russian.

But when JSF says Libtard, I'm just as likely to tune out any post he makes with that word in it as I would have tuned out any post from the other side claiming Muh Nazis!

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I think I see what you're saying. The formation of MoveOn.org and the rise of "clicktivsim" at the end of Clinton's 2nd term and the beginning of GWB's. But I have to say that the DNC (establishment) lost it's way long before the liberal electorate.

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BTW, love your signature!

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