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I wasn't sure exactly what you had in mind. Sounded like some of Presidential races/Primaries. Didn't know if you had Congressional in mind, or if you wanted to comingle or keep separate.

I don't mind, you are much more on topic than the Trolls.

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Cool. I'll keep that caveat in mind.

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I wasn't sure exactly what you had in mind. Sounded like some of Presidential races/Primaries. Didn't know if you had Congressional in mind, or if you wanted to comingle or keep separate.

I don't mind, you are much more on topic than the Trolls.

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The caveat about having a separate thread for congressional races - though if I'm discussing overall democratic party failings I may wander between presidential and congressional races.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seen many videos of creepy Joe Biden touching women and girls inappropriately, onstage no less. But for those of you who are unaware ...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-01/irrefutable-evidence-10-vide
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I imagine this would reduce his chances of being nominated considerably

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Seen many videos of creepy Joe Biden touching women and girls inappropriately, onstage no less. But for those of you who are unaware ...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-01/irrefutable-evidence-10-vide
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I imagine this would reduce his chances of being nominated considerably

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As long as he is running as Democrat, he should fit right in with LBJ, JFK, BJ Clinton, and Bobo. Feminists will love him. Does he touch ugly women equally?

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Seen many videos of creepy Joe Biden touching women and girls inappropriately, onstage no less. But for those of you who are unaware ...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-01/irrefutable-evidence-10-vide
os-show-creepy-joe-biden-touching-women-inappropriately

I imagine this would reduce his chances of being nominated considerably

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As long as he is running as Democrat, he should fit right in with LBJ, JFK, BJ Clinton, and Bobo. Feminists will love him. Does he touch ugly women equally?

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If I were his campaign manager, that's the first question I'd have asked, then I'd have a team of people going through old footage to dig up any instance where he was just as touchy feely with ugly women, men and boys.

I've only seen the video of him being kind of weird with a bunch of girls in a photo op and then getting his hand swatted away when he tried to touch Sessions' granddaughter on the shoulders. But maybe he actually does just do that to everyone. If I saw evidence of that, I'd be willing to let it go.

But it would have to be pretty striking evidence. Because this really looks bad.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I've never done it before, and I'm not about to just jump on the #MeToo movement right now because it's convenient.

Uncle Joe might genuinely not have a creepy thought running through his head when he behaves this way. He might have grown up in a very touchy feely environment (completely innocent and non-sexual) and not even be aware how creepy he does look when put under the microscope of the internet.

Personally, I hate most physical contact. But I'm a loner. It would be sad if this whole new #MeToo movement turns everyone into loners because they're afraid of what others might think, or even worse, afraid of what might happen to their jobs, their family life and their reputation once they've been blasted on YouTube for the mob to judge.



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I've never done it before, and I'm not about to just jump on the #MeToo movement right now because it's convenient.

Uncle Joe might genuinely not have a creepy thought running through his head when he behaves this way. He might have grown up in a very touchy feely environment (completely innocent and non-sexual) and not even be aware how creepy he does look when put under the microscope of the internet.

Personally, I hate most physical contact. But I'm a loner. It would be sad if this whole new #MeToo movement turns everyone into loners because they're afraid of what others might think, or even worse, afraid of what might happen to their jobs, their family life and their reputation once they've been blasted on YouTube for the mob to judge.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Well, Creepy Uncle Joe isn't about to rape someone in the glare of the floodlights. It's going to be subtle. I kiss the young'uns on the top of the head. But if it were to be a soft nibble-kiss as my hand caressed their shoulder, well, that would be creepy. If I put my arm around a budding adolescent it could be affectionate. But if my thumb 'accidentally' rested on a breast and stayed there, that would be creepy.

I think you can tell a lot by the reactions of the recipients. They're extremely uncomfortable.

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It would be sad if this whole new #MeToo movement turns everyone into loners because they're afraid of what others might think, or even worse, afraid of what might happen to their jobs, their family life and their reputation once they've been blasted on YouTube for the mob to judge.

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Anyway - back to the topic! A few of these to me are hunh ??

https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_candidates,_2020

Cory Booker (D)
Pete Buttigieg (D)
Julian Castro (D)
John Delaney (D)
Tulsi Gabbard (D)
Kirsten Gillibrand (D)
Kamala Harris (D)
John Hickenlooper (D)
Jay Inslee (D)
Amy Klobuchar (D)
Wayne Messam (D)
Beto O'Rourke (D)
Elizabeth Warren (D)
Marianne Williamson (D)
Andrew Yang (D)

Bernie Sanders (I)

Donald Trump (R)
Bill Weld (R)

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lol... let's pin all of our hopes on the guy who couldn't even beat Ted Cruz.

Good luck with that.


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Has Joe NEVER heard of age of consent? That puts it in the 'creepy' category to me.

Poor kid. It may be a thing that haunts him through his life - because of the taunting of his peers. Definitely not a label you want to be wearing at school.

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"he gave me permission to touch him" - kid's still too young to give permission for anything, I used the wrong and highly-loaded phrase

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You know, having worked for decades in an EXTREMELY PC place I understand the whole "too sensitive / paranoia" issue. OTOH it was in reaction to some also EXTREMELY serious problems. The same goes for the corporate world.

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The democrats wouldn't be in such a mess if they weren't trying to hide the fact that they're corporate shills behind a facade of faux-populist agendas like bathroom issues. And while the answers to the many problems bearing down on us I think ultimately lie in our species doing things very differently from now, those answers don't resonate with many Americans. It would be nice if the democrats loosened the grip multinationals have on them, enough to come up with doable solutions that people could get behind.

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"he gave me permission to touch him" - kid's still too young to give permission for anything, I used the wrong and highly-loaded phrase

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I disagree.

We're not talking two adults having consensual sex.

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We're talking about an old man putting his hand on the shoulder of a boy. That boy would certainly be old enough to tell him that he did not have permission to do so. He would be old enough to tell him that the moment he could form the words. I see no reason why the equal and opposite wouldn't be true as well.

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I guess my only hope would be that he knew that he would be a prop in a joke beforehand. Knowing what we know about the staged nature of rallies, and the screening processes beforehand, I suspect that he actually was and that none of this was off the cuff.

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You know, having worked for decades in an EXTREMELY PC place I understand the whole "too sensitive / paranoia" issue. OTOH it was in reaction to some also EXTREMELY serious problems. The same goes for the corporate world.

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It was in reaction to some potentially mildly worrisome behavior, and allegations over nothing.

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The democrats wouldn't be in such a mess if they weren't trying to hide the fact that they're corporate shills behind a facade of faux-populist agendas like bathroom issues. And while the answers to the many problems bearing down on us I think ultimately lie in our species doing things very differently from now, those answers don't resonate with many Americans. It would be nice if the democrats loosened the grip multinationals have on them, enough to come up with doable solutions that people could get behind.

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I agree with this last part.

I'd just add that if they hadn't been so rabid for years about PC/SJW issues

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I disagree.

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Which is why I withdrew that phrase.

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We're talking about an old man putting his hand on the shoulder of a boy. That boy would certainly be old enough to tell him that he did not have permission to do so. He would be old enough to tell him that the moment he could form the words. I see no reason why the equal and opposite wouldn't be true as well.

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Well - legally the kid's not able to consent to anything. Not to a doctor looking down his throat, not to a class field trip, not to paying an overdue book library fine.

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Are you talking about MY previous workplace? How the fuck would YOU know? What a stupid thing to post.

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The democrats wouldn't be in such a mess if they weren't trying to hide the fact that they're corporate shills behind a facade of faux-populist agendas like bathroom issues. And while the answers to the many problems bearing down on us I think ultimately lie in our species doing things very differently from now, those answers don't resonate with many Americans. It would be nice if the democrats loosened the grip multinationals have on them, enough to come up with doable solutions that people could get behind.

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I agree with this last part.

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There are still many months to go. I hope the dems learned their 'Hillary' lesson and can address the issues the majority of people care about.

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ooops.
Don't Trolls claim that ZH is not a source of news?

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ooops.
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The poll can be accessed by anyone willing to google. It doesn't matter the 'source'. But if you don't trust the pollsters, well, that's another story.

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Getting back to Trump - I'm assuming he's running in 2020. But he's created a problem for democrats and 'never Trump'-ers who've become associated with supporting unfettered immigration, and with the Mueller investigation. Trump said the border was a problem. Now people are seeing that the mass of families seeking asylum is putting the system past its limit. A percentage of people I think will give Trump credit for calling out a problem and trying to fix it. Trump said the Mueller investigation was a witch hunt. And the Barr summary makes him look a lot more right than wrong. Again, a percentage of people I think will give Trump credit for calling it.

BTW these aren't *my* issues. In the upcoming election I only have two and immigration and Russiagate are not them. And I'm not defending Trump, but - given his recent big boost in approval ratings since the Barr summary, it looks like being on the wrong-er side of facts is going to be a problem for the DNC.

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Six, you have issues.

Yes, it's true - nobody can touch a kid without the parent's consent or specific legal privileges (acting in loco parentis for example). Generally in families it's hugs all around, but parents are within their rights to tell a person to stay away. Anyone can photograph and publish the photo of a kid in a public space like at the beach (unless it's for child porn, though I'm not sure how you could determine that), but not in a private place where there's a 'reasonable expectation of privacy' (and even 'public' spaces like libraries fall in that category). When I'm talking about women having to 'put out' to get a job, you might consider that an unfair advantage if she gets the job instead of a guy (though I think that's a pretty twisted way to look at it). But I was thinking specifically of actresses - you know, unless you're living in ye olde tymes it's pretty hard to cast a male for a female. So these women who don't 'put out' are losing jobs to other females who do. And the actresses were clearly threatened that they'd be blacklisted and their careers ruined, a la Ashley Judd and Mira Sorvino v Weinstein. I did wonder what happened to those two actresses. I thought they were terrific and their careers were just taking off ... then they disappeared. So as much as you're in denial, and claim that women aren't targeted, or that discrimination on the basis of sex doesn't happen anymore - well, you're wrong.

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There is plenty of discrimination against males, I know. Many males ... perhaps most ... feel certain responsibilities that females usually don't: The responsibility to be personally and individually brave, the responsibility to take risks, the responsibility to do the hardest and sweatiest and most dangerous jobs.

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Yeah, SIX, you DO have a problem.

There is plenty of discrimination against males, I know. Many males ... perhaps most ... feel certain responsibilities that females usually don't: The responsibility to be personally and individually brave, the responsibility to take risks, the responsibility to do the hardest and sweatiest and most dangerous jobs.

However, just because there is a lack of recognition of the burdens and expectations placed on men doesn't mean that there isn't also discrimination against women.

It's like the positive and side effects of medicine: One doesn't cancel out the other.

There is discrimination of whites against blacks. There is ALSO discrimination of blacks against whites. They can both occur at the same time.

There is discrimination against straight Christian white males in particular, who don't fall into that otherwise-inclusive category of "protected class" (I guess straight white Xtian males don't deserve protection against discrimination and harassment?). BUT STILL, there is ALSO discrimination against women.

You've got this big giant blind spot in an otherwise mostly reasonable POV.

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Which of these is considered the "Centrist" this time around, ready to railroad Bernie to the gutter?

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