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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You can be forgiven if you haven't followed the Brexit drama. It's been a series of miscalculations, reversals, and underhanded dealings in the EU and British Parliament but is best summed up this way:

Two years ago, people voted to leave the EU.
Altho MPs want to remain (because they are cosily nestled in the armpit of the EU) NOBODY wants to be tagged with scuttling the Brexit vote because their constituents are for Brexit
Prime Minister Theresa May and Chancellor Angela Merkel crafted a "Brexit"that is worse than the current legal situation, a "Brexit" which removes even the possibility of Brexit pretty much forever
EU has voted to extend the Brexit negotiations, but not beyond the point where British members can stand for EU Parliamentary elections, since including the EU will introduce considerable "Euroskeptic" members into the EU Parliament. God forbed tha eU Paarliament reflects the will of the people!
The EU's MO is ... "If we don't like the vote we'll keep holding one until we get the results we like"
British "back benchers" appear willing to vote for May's awful plan and hang the mess on her neck ... before they toss her from office, making her the official scapegoat.

Thus, with "diluted responsibility", the mandate of the Brexit referendum is thwarted, and the borg ... er, I mean "integrtionists" ... survives

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement.

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The original vote was before they found out how nearly impossible this would be to implement.

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Are you saying the EU isn't a voluntary organization, and that countries are vassal states?

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May Offers Brexiteers A Deal: 'Back The Withdrawal Agreement, And I Will Resign'

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Many ministers have resigned, Parliament took "indicative" (non-binding) votes on the six (or seven) options on the table and none achieved a majority, Theresa May tabled (for a third time) HER deal (which was Merkel's deal) was just voted down (again) today ... this time by 58 votes... altho the EU offered a very short extension (April 12 if Theresa's deal was voted down, May 22 if Theresa's deal was approved) ... given the chaos in Parliament I can't imagine that any options will bubble up before April 12. It looks more and more like Britain will "crash out" of the EU. Stay tuned ...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Two more reasons for the UK to leave the EU... Article 11 and Article 13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive
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I'm sure Capt'n Crunch doesn't agree. He loves censorship.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Two more reasons for the UK to leave the EU... Article 11 and Article 13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive
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I'm sure Capt'n Crunch doesn't agree. He loves censorship.

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Yes, I'm pro banning/censoring pedophiles from posting in young people's forums as they look to pick up children, and you're not - I guess we just disagree. Takes a lot of courage to stand up for the free speech rights of pedophiles, more than I have!

Article 15 is great - Google poaches content from others without paying a dime and in return they profit. That's bs.

17 - I can't even imagine how anyone could pull off filtering for stolen/unlicensed copyright material as it's being uploaded, so that's in the "too soon to tell" bucket.

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Did Jack find another way to support pedophiles? What a perv...

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Two more reasons for the UK to leave the EU... Article 11 and Article 13.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/28/article-13-what-eu-copyright-directive
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I'm sure Capt'n Crunch doesn't agree. He loves censorship.

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Yes, I'm pro banning/censoring pedophiles from posting in young people's forums as they look to pick up children, and you're not - I guess we just disagree. Takes a lot of courage to stand up for the free speech rights of pedophiles, more than I have!

Article 15 is great - Google poaches content from others without paying a dime and in return they profit. That's bs.

17 - I can't even imagine how anyone could pull off filtering for stolen/unlicensed copyright material as it's being uploaded, so that's in the "too soon to tell" bucket.

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Did Jack find another way to support pedophiles? What a perv...

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
A few interesting events:

The most "remain" if the Tories, Dominic Grieve, was "deselected" by his constituents a few days ago, which mean he and his vote have been removed from Parliament by a petition signed by 38,000 of his constituents. For all of those MPs who're thinking about voting "remain" (basically voting for Theresa May's plan) against the wishes of their constituents ... which is a helluvalot of MPs ... Grieve's head on a pike also serves as a timely warning about what might happen to them, if they should fail to follow their constituent's wishes.

The German FM called Bexit a "shitshow" which is a big change in attitude. German business and banking want Britain to remain (Britain is Germany's largest export market for cars) but the EU as a whole is taking a very hard line on Brexit, unwilling to offer concessions to Britain (so far). I think that maybe this was a bit of a game of "chicken" and the EU leaders never thought Britain might actually crash out of the EU. I wonder if the EU Council will throw Theresa May a last minute lifeline. Somehow, I don't think so.

Some say Brexit is being driven by the EU's immigration policies; Brits would be happy to remain in the customs union if they didn't have to accept so many Easttern European immigrants.

Some also say that Theresa May will put her (Merkel's) plan up for a fourth vote, hoping that with a "no deal Brexit" staring them in the face, MP's will come around. (But then, they have the Grieve example staring at them.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Labor constituents have been majority-remain, but the Conservative constituency has been without a doubt pro-Brexit. It's the Conservative (Tory) party, which - under Theresa May- has stabbed their own constituents in the back.

But that's OK, their constituents are stabbing them back.

Nigel Farage, the MP who initially started the whole Brexit push under his party UKIP, has come back to the political scene and created the Brexit Party which ... I kid you not ... has gone from 0% polling to 25% in a matter of weeks, while the Tory party has dropped from 29% to 15%. So, if you can imagine, the Brexit Party is now outpolling both Conservatives and Labor.

These elections are for the EU Parliament, and the Brexit Party is standing up representatives from every locality except N Ireland. The English members of the European Parliament (EMP) stand to create a revolt from the inside, along with other Euroskeptics from Hungary, Italy, and France.

The Brexit Party is also preparing for general elections in October. Some people are predicting that Nigel Farage will be Prime Minister within a year.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Markus Meechan and Carl Benjamin (aka Count Dankula and Sargon of Akkad) are both members of UKIP now.

So much for the popular theory around here that youtubers are a waste of time.

They just may be our future politicians.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
well, the wunderkind Nigel actually quit UKIP after the (successful) Brxit referendum because he elt it was going too far right wing. You might have heard of Tommy Robinson; while he' been barred from official membership in UKIP he is their advisor.

Since Farage saw what was happening to Brexit he decided to re-enter politics with a new party - the Brexit Party - whihc is not only taking votes from the Conservatives and Labor, it's taking votes from UKIP.

Farage is an exremely adroit politician. He knows how to craft a message with broad appeal, which is why he's stealing votes from UKIP ... once people see that a party (in this case, the Brexit Party) has a credible chance of winning, they'll toss their votes to the possible winner instead of being just a "protest vote".

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Originally posted by second:
The former Secretary of State for Exiting the European Union thinks that he can force the EU to give the UK a better Brexit deal. He is wrong.

Britain must be ready to leave the European Union without an exit deal on Oct. 31, former Brexit minister Dominic Raab said on Sunday, as he set out his pitch to succeed Theresa May as prime minister.

“If you’re not willing to walk away from a negotiation, it doesn’t focus the mind of the other side,” Raab told the BBC. “If you do that you can be really credible in Brussels.”

Raab said he would prefer Britain left with a deal but that he did not want to delay the planned Oct. 31 departure date. He also said he believed Britain would only be legally obliged to pay about 14 billion pounds ($18 billion) of the current 39 billion pound exit bill if there was a no-deal Brexit.

www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-raab/uk-must-be-ready-to-leave-e
u-without-a-deal-leadership-contender-raab-idUSKCN1SW0AS

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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May Ends In June
Authored by W Stephen Gilbert via Off-Guardian.org,

History will not be kind to Theresa May. By the standards she forthrightly set herself at the outset of her premiership, she has been a dismal failure. She proposed that, contrary to most impartial expectation, she would be a socially liberal prime minister who would strive to relieve the economic pressure on the poorest members of British society (the briefly famous “just about managing”), but the only small concessions towards the relief of poverty that have been wrung from her government have done nothing to reduce the incidence of homelessness, food banks and wage rates that undershoot the demands made by private landlords, services starved of funds and price rises.

And that’s without even mentioning Brexit.

Following the self-inflicted disaster of the 2017 general election, in which May utterly failed to project herself with any conviction as “strong and stable”, she became, in George Osborne’s devastating phrase, “a dead woman walking”.

That campaign was the most complacent, least effective ever fought by a major political party in Britain, and the only explanation for the media’s astonishment at the result can be that editors and columnists had so convinced themselves that they had rendered Jeremy Corbyn, in their description of choice, “unelectable” that they could see no outcome other than a thumping Tory victory. What they could not see was that Corbyn is an inspired and inspiring campaigner, while May is as dull as ditchwater.

The social media commentator Aidan Daley summed her up admirably: “Mayvis: a political nonentity of such crushing mediocrity and insignificance that even when standing in direct sunlight she casts no shadow. A third-rate office manager elevated light years beyond her intellectual capacity, professional capabilities and pay grade. A national embarrassment and global laughing stock”.

This unsparing but unarguable buttonholing raises a historical problem for the Conservative Party that shows no sign of quick resolution. When May was elected Tory leader and hence prime minister, the field of choice was notable for its lightweight uniformity. Given the length of her cabinet experience, May clearly outshone her rivals, if not in charisma (a quality conspicuously lacking from the field). But the quality of leadership of the party has been modest at best for years. Among Tory leaders since the war, only Margaret Thatcher has managed to catch the climate of her time and impose her personality on a discernible period, however much one may deplore that climate and that period.

What is striking about Conservative politics is that those who wish to hold onto power and wealth for their own class and who have the ambition and talent and imagination to make a difference do not go into politics. They become entrepreneurs, traders, speculators. There is too much regulation and self-abnegation in politics for such people. Look back over the leadership of the Tory party and you get to Harold Macmillan before you encounter anyone who came from a (brief) career in business.

Comparing May with Thatcher and Macmillan is instructive.

May has failed to create any sort of arresting public persona for herself. Aside from the tiresome bromide “Brexit means Brexit”, she has turned no phrase that immediately summons her to mind. Who could essay her political philosophy, other than hanging on grimly against insuperable odds and paying heed to no advice?

She has no imagination, no resourcefulness, no wit and no management skills. When pressed, she retreats to prepared responses, regardless of their irrelevance to the question in hand. We are now told that she is “a patriot” – the last refuge of a political scoundrel – and that she has “tried her best”, which was clearly grossly inadequate to the task.

The mainstream media will be eternally grateful to her for betraying emotion at the end of her resignation statement, thereby providing the “human interest” angle that cements the moment in history and will be trotted out in every story about the May premiership for ever after, much like Thatcher’s tear-stained face in the back of the limo as it pulled away from Downing Street for the last time. Whether this emotion sits appropriately with the “dignity” that her admirers are rushing to credit to her is a question for others to ponder.

Attention now turns to her successor. Vast though the field is, it is again notable for its lightweight nature. Smart money will be on Rory Stewart, already a media darling and a politician unusually capable of sounding thoughtful and candid. He also has the advantage of having led a colourful pre-politics life, thereby bringing instincts to his politics from beyond the confines of career consultants and spads. But most speculation centres on Boris Johnson, despite the high level of suspicion that he generates among Tory MPs. He is said to be enthusiastically supported at the grassroots.

In this as in other aspects, he brings to mind Donald Trump. If Rory Stewart would offer a safe pair of hands, Johnson would suggest a Trump-like level of gaffes and embarrassments, thrills and spills.

That would certainly draw a line under the dead hand of the May era, but is there really an appetite for it on the Tory benches? Had Trump required the support of the senate to become the Republican candidate in 2016, he would not now be president. But Johnson will require the support of the Commons to become prime minister, and we may already be sure that his elevation would provoke some party resignations.

Moreover, while a Trump-Johnson alliance looks more promising of mutual support than any other possible combo, it may well only have eighteen months in which to flourish.

A Johnson premiership would represent an uncharacteristic rush of blood to the collective Tory head, comparable to Quentin Hailsham Hogg being preferred as prime minister to Macmillan or Home. After the long drawn-out death rattle of May’s period in office, the inevitable being postponed day by day until it became unbearable to everyone, politics now reverts to its proper and characteristic rhythm of utter unpredictability.

The old saw that the frontrunner never wins a leadership race may just be confounded on this occasion. Who can say? All supporters of other parties can do is to wait and see and remain ready for any eventuality.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....

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The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....

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The stupid shit you post - amazing.
You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?

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The UK "crashing" out of the EU will definitely require a lot of adjustment for the Brits and will definitely cost $$, both in the near-term and long-term. But I think Brits ....

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The stupid shit you post - amazing.
You think the Brits.... based on .... your uneducated feels ?

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I think Brits feel the way they feel because - unlike you- I actually listen to what Brits have to say, using a variety of sources (from NPR and BBC to listening to Nigel Farage and Tommy Robinson directly.) You might have noticed, for example, that the article that I quoted was from the Off guardian which is ... wait for it... British!

And then, the polls which show a disasterous fall for the Tories (after they betrayed their Brexit promise) and the meteoric rise of the Brexit Party under Nigel Farage are excellent indicators of how Brits feel!

The person who specializes in uneducated feels in you, GSTRING. You quite obviously can't be bothered to look things up for yourself, you have no interest in finding out what's actually going on, all you do is plug your fingers in your ears and then stick your head up your ass.

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America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Nor do I pretend to know what “the Brits” think based on a couple news articles - and really?? NPR is one your sources?

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Unlike you, I don’t pretend I know what’s going to happen in the future.- GSTRING

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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There's nothing wrong with making predictions. It's even better when you make them public.
Unfortunately, those who make predictions around here seldom recognize when they're wrong, therefore they never learn. Look at THUGR: He based his tick tock on the RUSSIA!!RUSSIA!!! hoax, and when that failed to materialize he simply goal-shifted and reset the clock.

And some predictions, like worldwide extinction ... well, some of them you just don't want to have to say "I told you so".

Life on earth is very durable, and humans are pretty durable too. Unless we fall into "planet Venus" territory, life will find a way. However, human civilizations ... life as we know it ... will flame out. There will be a future that is hot, where many species have died and the world is no longer a rich, productive, and diverse ecology but where here only weeds and a few humans will survive. That's my prediction, anyway.

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There's been an awful lot of pretending to know what's going on in the future happening here. From the tick tock thread to Trump's impeachment, to the end of the world via mother nature.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Climate Change is actual science, so it’s not guessing.

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Trump’s impeachment? Mueller’s report makes the case for at least 10 instances of obstruction - honest, real impeachable actions. So how has that gone? It is factually obvious but in the real world it’s still a bit like Sig’s guessing - doesn’t mean anything. The main difference is Sig’s guesses have obvious slants. Do a little research into her fav source, zerohedge. I know you won’t so whatever.

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Climate Change is actual science, so it’s not guessing.

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Yeah. It is. I've been hearing the world is going to end for one reason or another since I was born. Without a time machine or a legitimate crystal ball there is zero chance anybody knows what is going to happen. It gets exponentially more foolish when people put an actual date on it (30 years from now, 12 years from now... however many years from now Marcos put in his thread title)

Remember Y2K. Remember 2012. lol

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Trump’s impeachment? Mueller’s report makes the case for at least 10 instances of obstruction - honest, real impeachable actions. So how has that gone? It is factually obvious but in the real world it’s still a bit like Sig’s guessing - doesn’t mean anything. The main difference is Sig’s guesses have obvious slants. Do a little research into her fav source, zerohedge. I know you won’t so whatever.

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You don't need any real reason to impeach. Dumbass.

Impeachment doesn't actually have any consequences in and of itself. All it would take to impeach any president at any given time in history is enough votes to be successful.

Please. Go ahead and impeach. It will backfire spectacularly and the Democrats will be completely crushed in 2020 if it happens.

Looks like all of my predictions about the EU are coming true. I know you always like to try to point out that I'm ill informed and that I'm biased. That doesn't change the fact that I was right about it.

2020 here is going to be no different.

The progressive/Globalist movement is losing worldwide and is going to fall apart.

My condolences.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Climate Change is actual science, so it’s not guessing.

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Yeah. It is. I've been hearing the world is going to end for one reason or another since I was born. Without a time machine or a legitimate crystal ball there is zero chance anybody knows what is going to happen. It gets exponentially more foolish when people put an actual date on it (30 years from now, 12 years from now... however many years from now Marcos put in his thread title)

Remember Y2K. Remember 2012. lol

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Trump’s impeachment? Mueller’s report makes the case for at least 10 instances of obstruction - honest, real impeachable actions. So how has that gone? It is factually obvious but in the real world it’s still a bit like Sig’s guessing - doesn’t mean anything. The main difference is Sig’s guesses have obvious slants. Do a little research into her fav source, zerohedge. I know you won’t so whatever.

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You don't need any real reason to impeach. Dumbass.

Impeachment doesn't actually have any consequences in and of itself. All it would take to impeach any president at any given time in history is enough votes to be successful.

Please. Go ahead and impeach. It will backfire spectacularly and the Democrats will be completely crushed in 2020 if it happens.

Looks like all of my predictions about the EU are coming true. I know you always like to try to point out that I'm ill informed and that I'm biased. That doesn't change the fact that I was right about it.

2020 here is going to be no different.

The progressive/Globalist movement is losing worldwide and is going to fall apart.

My condolences.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Right, From the person who one week says they have it made, all figured out, and then the next says they’re going through tough times. Your take on shit is usually shit.

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