Another white male Chump supporting terrorist? by WISHIMAY

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Originally posted by second:
I can tell that 1kiki won't ever know that only the GOP stands to protect your Second Amendment Right to own an assault rifle and bring it with you to the shopping mall to get better deals at Back-to-School Sales.

Mass Shootings in El Paso and Dayton Spur Democrats, But NOT Republicans, to Propose Big Ideas on Gun Violence
www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-mass-shootings-in-el-paso-an
d-dayton-should-spur-democrats-to-propose-big-ideas-on-gun-violence

Chuck Todd asked Senator Elizabeth Warren what she believed the federal government should do about the “hundreds of millions of guns already out there.”

Todd’s question seemed to present Warren with a perfectly fitted moment for her credo, “I’ve got a plan for that.” Guns killed nearly forty thousand people in the United States last year. In 2016, a study published in the American Journal of Medicine found that Americans were ten times more likely to die as a result of a firearm than residents of other high-income countries, as classified by the World Bank. The dismal statistic has an obvious correlation––the United States has the highest per-capita rate of civilian gun ownership in the world. A 2017 survey estimated that there are three hundred and ninety-three million civilian-owned firearms in the United States, a rate of 120.5 guns for every hundred residents, twice that of the second-highest nation, Yemen.

(It is completely futile to talk about gun control so long as 41 Republicans are in the Senate and the rules require 60 votes to break a GOP filibuster.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

This coming from the guy that suggests that I personally as well as anybody else who works a shit wage should kill their boss and take everything they own.

Hypocrite much?

Don't pretend you care about any of this Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 5, 2019 1:40 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Op-Ed: We have studied every mass shooting since 1966. Here’s what we’ve learned about the shooters

In the last week, more than 30 people have died in three separate mass shootings in Gilroy, El Paso and Dayton, Ohio. We believe that analyzing and understanding data about who commits such massacres can help prevent more lives being lost.

For two years, we’ve been studying the life histories of mass shooters in the United States for a project funded by the National Institute of Justice, the research arm of the U.S. Department of Justice. We’ve built a database dating back to 1966 of every mass shooter who shot and killed four or more people in a public place, and every shooting incident at schools, workplaces, and places of worship since 1999. We’ve interviewed incarcerated perpetrators and their families, shooting survivors and first responders. We’ve read media and social media, manifestos, suicide notes, trial transcripts and medical records.

Our goal has been to find new, data-driven pathways for preventing such shootings. Although we haven’t found that mass shooters are all alike, our data do reveal four commonalities among the perpetrators of nearly all the mass shootings we studied.

- First, the vast majority of mass shooters in our study experienced early childhood trauma and exposure to violence at a young age. The nature of their exposure included parental suicide, physical or sexual abuse, neglect, domestic violence, and/or severe bullying. The trauma was often a precursor to mental health concerns, including depression, anxiety, thought disorders or suicidality.

- Second, practically every mass shooter we studied had reached an identifiable crisis point in the weeks or months leading up to the shooting. They often had become angry and despondent because of a specific grievance. For workplace shooters, a change in job status was frequently the trigger. For shooters in other contexts, relationship rejection or loss often played a role. Such crises were, in many cases, communicated to others through a marked change in behavior, an expression of suicidal thoughts or plans, or specific threats of violence.

- Third, most of the shooters had studied the actions of other shooters and sought validation for their motives. People in crisis have always existed. But in the age of 24-hour rolling news and social media, there are scripts to follow that promise notoriety in death. Societal fear and fascination with mass shootings partly drives the motivation to commit them. Hence, as we have seen in the last week, mass shootings tend to come in clusters. They are socially contagious. Perpetrators study other perpetrators and model their acts after previous shootings. Many are radicalized online in their search for validation from others that their will to murder is justified.

- Fourth, the shooters all had the means to carry out their plans. Once someone decides life is no longer worth living and that murdering others would be a proper revenge, only means and opportunity stand in the way of another mass shooting. Is an appropriate shooting site accessible? Can the would-be shooter obtain firearms? In 80% of school shootings, perpetrators got their weapons from family members, according to our data. Workplace shooters tended to use handguns they legally owned. Other public shooters were more likely to acquire them illegally.

So what do these commonalities tell us about how to prevent future shootings?

One step needs to be depriving potential shooters of the means to carry out their plans. Potential shooting sites can be made less accessible with visible security measures such as metal detectors and police officers. And weapons need to be better controlled, through age restrictions, permit-to-purchase licensing, universal background checks, safe storage campaigns and red-flag laws — measures that help control firearm access for vulnerable individuals or people in crisis.

Another step is to try to make it more difficult for potential perpetrators to find validation for their planned actions. Media campaigns like #nonotoriety are helping starve perpetrators of the oxygen of publicity, and technology companies are increasingly being held accountable for facilitating mass violence. But we all can slow the spread of mass shootings by changing how we consume, produce, and distribute violent content on media and social media. Don’t like or share violent content. Don’t read or share killers’ manifestos and other hate screeds posted on the internet. We also need to study our current approaches. For example, do lockdown and active shooter drills help children prepare for the worst or hand potential shooters the script for mass violence by normalizing or rehearsing it?

We also need to, as a society, be more proactive. Most mass public shooters are suicidal, and their crises are often well known to others before the shooting occurs. The vast majority of mass shooters leak their plans ahead of time. People who see or sense something is wrong, however, may not always say something to someone owing to the absence of clear reporting protocols or fear of overreaction and unduly labeling a person as a potential threat. Proactive violence prevention starts with schools, colleges, churches and employers initiating conversations about mental health and establishing systems for identifying individuals in crisis, reporting concerns and reaching out — not with punitive measures but with resources and long-term intervention. Everyone should be trained to recognize the signs of a crisis.

Proactivity needs to extend also to the traumas in early life that are common to so many mass shooters. Those early exposures to violence need addressing when they happen with ready access to social services and high-quality, affordable mental health treatment in the community. School counselors and social workers, employee wellness programs, projects that teach resilience and social emotional learning, and policies and practices that decrease the stigma around mental illness will not just help prevent mass shootings, but will also help promote the social and emotional success of all Americans.

Our data show that mass shooters have much in common. Instead of simply rehearsing for the inevitable, we need to use that data to drive effective prevention strategies.

Jillian Peterson is a psychologist and professor of criminology and criminal justice at Hamline University. James Densley is a sociologist and professor of criminal justice at Metropolitan State University. Together, they run the Violence Project.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2019-08-04/el-paso-dayton-gilroy
-mass-shooters-data

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Monday, August 5, 2019 3:27 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The Killers in Our Midst
Nearly all mass shooters have been young men alienated from society.
By The Editorial Board
Aug. 4, 2019 6:46 pm ET

The mass shootings in El Paso and Dayton over the weekend are horrifying assaults on peaceful communities by disturbed young men. American politics will try to simplify these events into a debate about guns or political rhetoric, but the common theme of these killings is the social alienation of young men that will be harder to address.

One response to reject is the reflex to blame these shootings on political opponents. Before noon on Sunday we received an email from the Progressive Democrats of America declaring that “we blame President Trump for feeding into the anti-immigrant frenzy and white supremacist violence. Yes, you Mr. President had your finger on that AK-47.”

This is political cynicism. Mass shootings also occurred under Presidents Obama, Bush and Clinton. They occur around the world, if much less frequently, such as in Christchurch, New Zealand (2019), Australia (2019), and Norway (2011). The twisted motivations are varied and often too convoluted to sort into any clear ideology.

Take the El Paso shooter, who is suspected of writing a manifesto posted on the 8chan website before the rampage. He expressed sympathy for the racial motivations of the Christchurch killer and denounced Hispanic immigration, but he also raged against “unchecked corporations” who support immigration and pollute the land.

This is the rant of someone angry about a society he doesn’t feel a part of and doesn’t comprehend. It is all-too-typical of most of these young male killers who tend to be loners and marinate in notions they absorb in the hours they spend online. They are usually disconnected to family, neighborhood, church, colleagues at work, or anything apart from their online universe.

These men may draw inspiration from one another online, and any communication or common connection needs to be investigated. The FBI says it has made 100 arrests related to domestic terrorism in the last nine months. But blaming all this on one politician or ideology, left or right, without evidence of such a connection is disingenuous and counterproductive.

Yet politicians and other leaders do have a responsibility to condemn and marginalize those who indulge the ugly instincts that infect any human society. That includes the President of the United States. These columns have long warned Mr. Trump about the divisive tone of his public rhetoric. He should separate himself forcefully and consistently from alt-right and white-supremacy voices.

His supporters may be correct that Mr. Trump’s opponents will not reciprocate by pushing back against the irrational elements on the left. But a President has a special role in the American system even if our politics has elevated the Presidency more than it should. Either Mr. Trump restrains his rhetoric or he will pay a consequential political price. Joe Biden’s theme of a return to “decency” and “normalcy” will resonate with even millions of Trump voters if Mr. Trump doesn’t change.

One place for leaders to focus, as we’ve long argued, is mental health. This is a matter of policy more than money. HHS’s mental-health division projects mental-health spending from all sources, public and private, will be about $238 billion in 2020, up from $147 billion in 2009. Mental health is an “essential” benefit under ObamaCare, and California passed a 1% income-tax surcharge expressly for mental health.

The problem is identifying those with mental illness who are a threat, and then allowing society to intervene to prevent violence. Overwhelming evidence suggests that the de-institutionalization of the seriously mentally ill has had tragic results. Libertarians and mental-health advocates who resist such intervention need to do some soul-searching.

The same goes for those in the gun lobby who claim that denying access to guns from those with a history of mental illness violates individual rights. So-called red-flag laws that let police or family members petition a court to remove firearms from someone who may be a threat might not have stopped the El Paso killer. But the evidence in the states is that the laws have prevented suicides and may prevent other mass shootings. Gun rights need to be protected, but the Second Amendment is not a suicide pact.

Which brings us back to the angry young men. This is the one common element in nearly all mass shootings: 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz in Parkland, Fla.; Chris Harper-Mercer in Oregon’s Umpqua Community College; Adam Lanza at Newtown, Conn.; Devin Patrick Kelley in Sutherland Springs, Texas, and the rest. All were deeply troubled and alienated from society in our increasingly atomistic culture.

This is one price we are paying for the decline in what the late sociologist Peter Berger called the “mediating institutions” that help individuals form cultural and social attachments. These are churches, business and social clubs like the Rotary, charitable groups, even bowling leagues, and especially the family. Government programs can never replace these as protectors of troubled young people.

Recognizing this reality is not a counsel of despair to do nothing about mass shootings. But revitalizing these private institutions of social capital is crucial to reversing the cultural decline at the root of so many of America’s ills.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-killers-in-our-midst-11564958792

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Monday, August 5, 2019 6:59 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

Social connections with other gun owners help organize gun owners' lives and make them meaningful. Gun control efforts that don't account for that social glue will fail.

The sale, manufacture, distribution, purchase and production of guns, as well as the views of their owners, are, in part, responses to the perceived weakness of the government and the perceived need for constant vigilance and a concomitant interpersonal fear. As dangerous weapons, guns offer a form of direct power in a world where trust and civic belonging are in short supply. The Pew poll reported that 67 percent of gun owners said protection is a major reason they own a gun; 38 percent cited hunting, 30 percent listed sport shooting, and 13 percent listed gun collecting as major reasons.

But culturally, guns aren't just a reaction to anxieties. In a way gun control advocates rarely consider, but gun owners may find obvious, they're a meaningful social asset for their owners. In a fragmented society, guns connect people at a time when making connections is ever more difficult.

In part because of their danger and allure and in part because they're the center of a sporting culture with deep American roots, guns draw adherents together in contexts like expos, gun ranges, and online chatrooms. At the recreational level, participants can indulge in hobbyist debate and discussion; on a political and cultural level, they can also forge a shared commitment to armed citizenship.

Gun owners bond over their shared fear of diffuse and unpredictable threats of contemporary life. The Pew survey concluded: “Many, but not all, gun owners exist in a social context where gun ownership is the norm. Roughly half of all gun owners say that all or most of their friends own guns. … In stark contrast, among the non-gun owning public, only one-in-ten say all or most of their friends own guns.”

www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/08/04/mass-shooting-gun-culture-2
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 5, 2019 7:24 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This coming from the guy that suggests that I personally as well as anybody else who works a shit wage should kill their boss and take everything they own.

Hypocrite much?

Don't pretend you care about any of this Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

I cannot predict your future, 6ix, but at this moment you are not social enough to join a union that will bargain with the boss for you. And at this moment you don't have the credentials for a better job. Remember when you were studying PLCs/ladder logic, but that went nowhere for no reason, after a really impressive classroom experience? What is left for you but to become either famous in a bad way like Malcolm Reynolds, the criminal dealing out death, or else become an anonymous drone in crappy jobs at close to minimum wage? There has got to be a third way for you, something much better than being a Mal or a drone, but I don't know what it is. It is probably something obvious that you are overlooking. You are smart enough to find it, if you just calmly meditate on the idea for a while. You, at your best, is probably better than me at my best, so I'd say you've got a bright shiny future doing something you haven't tried, yet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 5, 2019 9:09 AM

A Walmart was evacuated after a caller threatened to shoot up the building, less than 20 hours after one of the worst massacres in US history took place in a Texas store.
An 'active shooter' threat was made by the son of an employee at the Gibsonton Walmart in Florida on Sunday at around 1.17pm.
'Copycat' Wayne Lee Padgett was allegedly 'intrigued' by the El Paso shooting on Saturday and told a Walmart employee he was five minutes away and was going to shoot up the building.
Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office identified the 31-year-old as making the call after determining there was no immediate threat to the store.

Hmmm, so how many Chump supporters going nuts is a "mental health problem" and how many is a "trend". I'd say most normal people would say a few at most. I think the FBI is trying to say we've PASSED that....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fbi-documents-conspiracy-theories-terrorism
-160000507.html

"The FBI intelligence bulletin from the bureau’s Phoenix field office, dated May 30, 2019, describes “conspiracy theory-driven domestic extremists,” as a growing threat, and notes that it is the first such report to do so. It lists a number of arrests, including some that haven’t been publicized, related to violent incidents motivated by fringe beliefs."

I wonder why Chump supporters have so many "mental health disorders"???

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

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Monday, August 5, 2019 10:16 AM

JONGSSTRAW

No Trump supporter, the shooter was in fact a demented progressive libtard just like so many who post their obsessive insanity here every fucking five minutes.

"So clearly this killer supports some of the most openly socialist policies in American political discourse today, including universal income, socialized medicine, and a belief in "global warming." Yet, according to the media, he is somehow just another "far-right" shooter who has been motivated by President Trump."
https://www.sebgorka.com/the-el-paso-shooter-admits-he-is-a-progressiv
e-leftist/

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Monday, August 5, 2019 11:06 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This coming from the guy that suggests that I personally as well as anybody else who works a shit wage should kill their boss and take everything they own.

Hypocrite much?

Don't pretend you care about any of this Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I cannot predict your future, 6ix, but at this moment you are not social enough to join a union that will bargain with the boss for you. And at this moment you don't have the credentials for a better job. Remember when you were studying PLCs/ladder logic, but that went nowhere for no reason, after a really impressive classroom experience? What is left for you but to become either famous in a bad way like Malcolm Reynolds, the criminal dealing out death, or else become an anonymous drone in crappy jobs at close to minimum wage? There has got to be a third way for you, something much better than being a Mal or a drone, but I don't know what it is. It is probably something obvious that you are overlooking. You are smart enough to find it, if you just calmly meditate on the idea for a while. You, at your best, is probably better than me at my best, so I'd say you've got a bright shiny future doing something you haven't tried, yet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You all do see what second is trying to do here, don't you?

Second is a dangerous individual.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 5, 2019 12:37 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This coming from the guy that suggests that I personally as well as anybody else who works a shit wage should kill their boss and take everything they own.

Hypocrite much?

Don't pretend you care about any of this Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I cannot predict your future, 6ix, but at this moment you are not social enough to join a union that will bargain with the boss for you. And at this moment you don't have the credentials for a better job. Remember when you were studying PLCs/ladder logic, but that went nowhere for no reason, after a really impressive classroom experience? What is left for you but to become either famous in a bad way like Malcolm Reynolds, the criminal dealing out death, or else become an anonymous drone in crappy jobs at close to minimum wage? There has got to be a third way for you, something much better than being a Mal or a drone, but I don't know what it is. It is probably something obvious that you are overlooking. You are smart enough to find it, if you just calmly meditate on the idea for a while. You, at your best, is probably better than me at my best, so I'd say you've got a bright shiny future doing something you haven't tried, yet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You all do see what second is trying to do here, don't you?

Second is a dangerous individual.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Well, it can't be that he's trying to get you to jump up an agree with him and his 'brilliant' idea by reposting it over and over. Because if he thinks that would happen, it would be just plain stupid.

Other than that I can think of a few things.

He's implying a threat by indicating he's doxxed you.

There are other possibilities, but I'm not going to go into them now.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 1:39 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

TWITCHY, it was only a matter of time before a "leftist" person picked up a gun and did exactly what you advocate,

Another violence-prone libtard suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome?
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=63202

Now, will YOU have the good sense to stop posting your deranged thoughts? Or will you continue to spout your hate-filled rhetoric?

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Monday, August 5, 2019 1:52 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Originally posted by SECOND:
Remember when you were studying PLCs/ladder logic, but that went nowhere for no reason, after a really impressive classroom experience?

WTF is WRONG with you, SLOPPY-SECONDS?

I can't (and won't) tell you just how MANY certificates and licenses I've gotten just because I was curious about something. I took an entire course on how to abscond with people's property after they've defaulted (even just a little bit, even just for a day) for no reason other than I didn't understand the title of the class. I took helicopter ground school just because I wanted to know how those things worked. I did extreme bicycling not because I wanted prizes or records, but because I enjoyed challenging myself.

Do you think Jack does everything just for the money?

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Monday, August 5, 2019 2:24 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

This coming from the guy that suggests that I personally as well as anybody else who works a shit wage should kill their boss and take everything they own.

Hypocrite much?

Don't pretend you care about any of this Second.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
I cannot predict your future, 6ix, but at this moment you are not social enough to join a union that will bargain with the boss for you. And at this moment you don't have the credentials for a better job. Remember when you were studying PLCs/ladder logic, but that went nowhere for no reason, after a really impressive classroom experience? What is left for you but to become either famous in a bad way like Malcolm Reynolds, the criminal dealing out death, or else become an anonymous drone in crappy jobs at close to minimum wage? There has got to be a third way for you, something much better than being a Mal or a drone, but I don't know what it is. It is probably something obvious that you are overlooking. You are smart enough to find it, if you just calmly meditate on the idea for a while. You, at your best, is probably better than me at my best, so I'd say you've got a bright shiny future doing something you haven't tried, yet.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

You all do see what second is trying to do here, don't you?

Second is a dangerous individual.

Do Right, Be Right. :)
Well, it can't be that he's trying to get you to jump up an agree with him and his 'brilliant' idea by reposting it over and over. Because if he thinks that would happen, it would be just plain stupid.

Other than that I can think of a few things.

He's implying a threat by indicating he's doxxed you.

There are other possibilities, but I'm not going to go into them now.

I don't see the doxxing thing. He obviously reads my posts, at least when I post them... possibly spends some time going back through old ones too. I dunno. My memories of my time spent drowining in alcohol is admittedly very foggy, but I do know that I was posting about my certificate training while it was happening and how I was the first and only person in the few years they were doing the program that got all four certifications despite the drinking being out of control at that time.

I wasn't referring to any doxx or potential for doxxing.

I'm talking about him changing tack here. He's done this before, yanno, almost acting nice to me. I'll admit that my interactions for a time afterward were a bit softer since he wasn't being the jerk he usually is, but in a few days things went right back to the way they always are with him.

I'm thinking he's goading me. I'm thinking he'd like nothing more than for me to snap and re-create one of these horrible incidents myself. I think he'd revel in the fact that he personally was the one to get somebody in a bad spot to fall over the edge.

I think this was some sort of attempt at reverse psychology.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Monday, August 5, 2019 2:30 PM

... stay crunchy...

Quote:
Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
No Trump supporter, the shooter was in fact a demented progressive libtard just like so many who post their obsessive insanity here every fucking five minutes.

"So clearly this killer supports some of the most openly socialist policies in American political discourse today, including universal income, socialized medicine, and a belief in "global warming." Yet, according to the media, he is somehow just another "far-right" shooter who has been motivated by President Trump."
https://www.sebgorka.com/the-el-paso-shooter-admits-he-is-a-progressiv
e-leftist/

Wait, you're quoting Seb Gorka as in Dr. Gorka, the actual nazi affiliate and Pajama Boy as a source?

That's... I can't laugh hard enough.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 2:30 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I think this was some sort of attempt at reverse psychology.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

That was one of the other things I was thinking about, but I didn't want to get into the whole 'psychological warfare' aspect of his post.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 2:33 PM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:

The Killers in Our Midst
Nearly all mass shooters have been young men SELF-alienated from society.

This is the rant of someone angry about a society he doesn’t feel a part of and doesn’t comprehend. It is all-too-typical of most of these young male killers who tend to be loners and marinate in notions they absorb in the hours they spend online. They are usually disconnected to family, neighborhood, church, colleagues at work, or anything apart from their online universe.

NO ONE is alienating them, BUT... THEM.

Just because they FEELZ it, doesn't make it true. Hubby was a gamer for about 20 years and they had every kind of oddball in the group you can think of. Geeks, nerds, people that didn't bathe, a Thor devotee, Pagans, a neo-nazi....
If you are willing to make friends you can find them.

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

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Monday, August 5, 2019 2:41 PM

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

Do you think Jack does everything just for the money?

Lol. When you don't have ANY and all your shit....including yourself!!! is falling apart, you should probably care about the money at some point. When going to a movie is too expensive for ONE person and you start ragging on others for affording it because you are jealous, you should probably care about the money.

But, that's being all silly and practical.

Guess you want all of us to pick up the tab for his laziness when he's perfectly capable of working, much more so than Second or I am...

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

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Monday, August 5, 2019 2:45 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

I'm thinking he's goading me.

He's goading you into GETTING A CAREER. Second must be the worst person on Earth, right?

The horror.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 2:56 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy blamed violent video games for mass shootings over the weekend, and Donald Trump did the same at Monday’s press conference singling out “the gruesome video games that are now commonplace” to blame for creating “a culture that celebrates violence.”

This is a bit rich coming from a man who ran on a promise to “bomb the shit out of ’em” and has repeatedly floated the idea of pardons for accused war criminals.

It also flies in the face of the basic reality that the United States has a much higher murder rate than any other rich country, even though video games are widely available in Europe and Japan.

America’s overall crime rate is only a bit a above average but our homicide rate is sky-high because assaults featuring guns are much more likely to turn lethal than assaults committed with knives, bludgeons, or fists.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 5, 2019 3:02 PM

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More guns mean more gun deaths. Period.
www.vox.com/2015/10/3/9444417/gun-violence-mass-shootings-us-america

The research on this is overwhelmingly clear: No matter how you look at the data, more guns mean more gun deaths.

This is apparent when you look at state-by-state data for gun ownership and gun deaths (including homicides and suicides) within the United States.

And it’s clear when you look at the data for gun ownership and gun deaths (including homicides and suicides) across developed nations.

Opponents of gun control tend to point to other factors to explain America’s unusual levels of gun violence — particularly mental illness. But people with mental illnesses are more likely to be victims, not perpetrators, of violence. And Michael Stone, a psychiatrist at Columbia University who maintains a database of mass shooters, wrote in a 2015 analysis that only 52 out of the 235 killers in the database, or about 22 percent, were mentally ill. “The mentally ill should not bear the burden of being regarded as the ‘chief’ perpetrators of mass murder,” Stone concluded. Other research has backed this up.

Another argument you sometimes hear is that these shootings would happen less frequently if even more people had guns, enabling them to defend themselves from a shooting.

Yet high gun ownership rates do not reduce gun deaths, but rather tend to coincide with increases in gun deaths. While a few people in some cases may use a gun to successfully defend themselves or others, the proliferation of guns appears to cause far more violence than it prevents.

Multiple simulations have also demonstrated that most people, if placed in an active shooter situation while armed, will not be able to stop the situation, and may in fact do little more than get themselves killed in the process.

This video, from ABC News, shows one such simulation, in which people repeatedly fail to shoot an active shooter before they’re shot:

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Monday, August 5, 2019 3:55 PM

... stay crunchy...

You're all wrong - it's drag queens.

An Ohio state lawmaker blamed everything from gay marriage and drag queens to marijuana for 2 recent mass shootings

https://news.yahoo.com/ohio-state-lawmaker-blamed-everything-182058476
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And you know she's not alone in:

A) willing to trot out those absurdities/lies to give the gop base some excuses to not question, or
B) actually stupid enough to believe those are true.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 4:45 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Guess you want all of us to pick up the tab for his laziness when he's perfectly capable of working, much more so than Second or I am...

How would YOU know? Been PMing?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 4:47 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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I'm thinking he's goading me.

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He's goading you into GETTING A CAREER. Second must be the worst person on Earth, right?

How would YOU know? Been PMing?

The insane never-Trumpers will be driven even more insane in the wash/ rinse/ spin/ repeat/ cycle they mistake for the real world.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 5:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Of course they have. Not just TWITCHY but CC.

*****

Let's talk about alienation, TWITCHY. You hate white men because ... white men. You hate your neighbors because they're stupid. You hate your daughter's school because because ... same reason. You hate Mideast brown people because, Mideastern people aren't people. You hate the victims of tyranny and are willing to sacrifice any number of them because ... they're not people. You hate Republicans because ... Republicans. You hate Russians because... Russia. You hate anybody who doesn't get on your crazy-train because they don't agree with you.

Damn! but you hate a lot of people. AND you've advocated "eradicating" them too!

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NO ONE is alienating them, BUT... THEM.
Just because they FEELZ it, doesn't make it true. - TWITCHY

No one is alienating you but .... YOU. Just because YOU feelz it doesn't make it true,

The people that you "hate" categorically and advocate "eradicating"? They haven't done a thing to you. You don't know who "they" are'. Hell, most of them aren't even in the same state, or even in the same hemisphere, but you hate them just the same.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 6:42 PM

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You're all wrong - it's drag queens.

It would be entertaining to watch them squirm, if it wasn't so messed up.

I did look up some of the shooters and many of them appeared to have gone to a college or had a particular life path in mind. It does not appear that getting a job was a problem.

On LinkedIn, a profile that appears to belong to Betts lists him as a student at Sinclair Community College and a crew member at Chipotle Mexican Grill. In the "About" section he describes himself as "Good under pressure. Fast learner. Eager to overachieve." “I want socialism, and i’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come round to understanding.”

Mateen attended Indian River State College's Criminal Justice Training program and in a questionnaire, he admitted to committing or being involved in a crime that went undetected, but did not provide specific details. He went on to earn an associate of science degree in criminal justice technology from the college in 2006.

Records show Crusius attended classes about six miles from Star Creek at a campus of Collin College, a two-year community college.

After graduating, Kelley (Sutherland Springs Church Shooter) enlisted in the United States Air Force. He served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico from 2009 until 2014

Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer, 26, entered his Writing 115 class at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore. — only the second time the class had met — and began firing

Dylan Roof had been working as a landscaper at the behest of his father, but quit the job prior to the shooting.

In 2006, Holmes worked as an intern at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies where he was assigned to write computer code for an experiment. Holmes, who was described by his supervisor as stubborn, uncommunicative and socially inept.

In 2008 and 2009, Lanza attended some classes at Western Connecticut State University.

Some were bullies and some were bullied by others. I think a great many people are bullied but don't go mass shooting people...
Many of them still had both parents around, only a couple didn't. I didn't get that they were overly rejected by family.

Former high school classmates took to Twitter and Facebook to describe Betts as a bully who liked to scare women. (lived with both parents)

A classmate at Mariposa said that Mateen was a bully, disrespectful to girls and acted like he was better than his classmates. Another classmate reported that Mateen was bullied at school because of his weight and his Afghan heritage.self-control".[20] (lived with both parents)

"It’s hard to remember a lot about him because he never really stood out or acted out. I feel like he may have been bullied. Our school was diverse, however everyone usually fitted in somewhere.” She said he was thought of him (Crusius) as a weirdo by schoolmates because of his strange habits in class. “People thought he was weird - people had caught him picking his nose and eating scabs and stuff like that. (His father is a mental health counselor and mother a nurse)

At New Braunfels High, Devin Kelley had a lengthy disciplinary record, which included seven suspensions for "falsifying records, insubordination, profanity and a drug-related offense".[34] One former high school classmate described him as "an outcast but not a loner" who was "popular among other outcasts" After his release, Kelley returned to New Braunfels, where he lived in a converted barn at his parents' home. Shortly thereafter, he was investigated for sexual assault and rape, and for a physical assault of his then-girlfriend.

These expressed his (Harper-Mercer's) sexual frustration as a virgin, animosity toward black men, and a lack of fulfillment in his isolated life. In them, he said "Other people think I'm crazy, but I'm not. I'm the sane one
He was born in Torrance, California to Ian Mercer and Laurel Margaret Harper, and lived with his mother during the separation and divorce of his parents, who agreed to shared legal custody. Harper-Mercer continued to live with his mother and remained with her when she moved to Oregon for work.[44] His father had not seen him for about two years following his son's move out of state.
The US Army kicked Harper-Mercer out just five weeks into boot camp.

Bennett Roof was allegedly verbally and physically abusive toward Dylan Roof's Mother. In nine years, Roof attended at least seven schools in two South Carolina counties, including White Knoll High School in Lexington, in which he repeated the ninth grade, finishing it in another school. He apparently stopped attending classes in 2010 and, according to his family, dropped out of school

James Holmes's father is a mathematician and scientist[11] with degrees from Stanford University, UCLA and UC Berkeley, and his mother is a registered nurse.
According to Holmes' lawyer, Daniel King, Holmes began to suffer from mental health issues in middle school and attempted suicide at age 11.[23][24]
According to Holmes, during his childhood, he was frightened of what he called "Nail Ghosts" that would hammer on the walls at night. He would also see shadows and "flickers" at the corners of his eyes, which would fight each other with firearms and other weapons. Holmes saw social worker Margaret Roth once before she sent him to psychiatrist Lynne Fenton.[25] Holmes was depressed and "obsessed with killing for over a decade.

Students and teachers who knew him in high school described Lanza as "intelligent but nervous and fidgety". He avoided attracting attention and was uncomfortable socializing. He is not known to have had any close friends in school. Schoolwork often triggered his underlying sense of hopelessness and by 2008, when he turned 16, he was only going to school occasionally. He was taken out of high school and home-schooled by his mother and father. He earned a GED.

Just from reading through these, the overwhelming impressions I get are of people who did odd things and thought odd things and had little self-control, obviously.
I don't think we can blame society for that.

I don't even think the Autism Spectrum is to blame because many people on the spectrum are incapable of reacting in a violent manner, they tend to just shut down.

The only thing that was reoccurring in what I read is that many of them had a parent or close relative that were active gun proponents. Maybe they all grew up believing that if things were intolerable enough that the gun was the solution to every one of their problems.

As far as white men and shootings I found that White males are 36 percent of the American population and have been responsible for 54 percent of mass shootings since August 1982. However, I did not find the age of this statistic.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 6:54 PM

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Damn! but you hate a lot of people. AND you've advocated "eradicating" them too!

Just fascists.

Oh, and people that have murdered/molested kids. I'd be happy to hit the fry button on those myself

Yanno, It's funny, but I DO get along with some people on here, some of my neighbors, my kid has best friends, and I have plenty of people I'm friendly with and a couple family members I actually like ...
If you only keep track of the people that piss me off, well...most of the planet does suck/is unintelligent/behaves like cave dwellers. You ARE somewhere at the top of that list, so I'm sure it's hard to see anything past all those crappy people.

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

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Monday, August 5, 2019 7:15 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The story isn’t that Republicans are blaming video games. Rather, it’s that they’re blaming anything other than lax guns laws and the huge number of firearms in this country.

"Why video games aren’t causing America’s gun problem, in one chart"
www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/8/5/20755092/gun-shooting-video-g
ame-chart

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, August 5, 2019 8:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by WISHIMAY:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
...and this is the push back.

Did you really just try to justify this idiot shooting 50 people in a Wal-mart ON THE LEFT??? It's okay to shoot people because someone has blamed someone you support of something??

He's a Trumpanzee! This ain't Antifa...THIS IS ONE OF YOURS. Like 90 percent of these have been.

A manifesto purportedly written by Crusius, perhaps even in the hours before the shooting attack that according to one report left at least 15 people dead, was left behind. Pages of the manifesto included anti-immigrant rhetoric with the author going into depth on why he is “against race mixing,” supports the idea to “send them back” and offering a prediction of “genocide.”

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

There was no ' try ', sweetheart, both mass murderers this past weekend were far Left of centre, in addition to be nuts. Call them nuts first, if it makes you feel any better, but neither of them ere ' right-wing '. Not even a little.

The LIE that you have bought into is that ONLY far Right wingers can be racist / white nationalists.

El Paso shootings just proved you wrong.

Just as you're wrong about 99% of these mass shootings being from the "Right". You have that completely backwards.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 9:04 PM

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There was no ' try ', sweetheart, both mass murderers this past weekend were far Left of centre,

The only thing I'm sure of is that you NEED to believe that.

A Twitter account linked to the suspect shared and retweeted President Trump's tweets, posted about the border wall and liked memes disparaging Sen. Bernie Sanders and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. The account has seen little activity in the past two years.
On February 13, 2017, the Twitter account liked a post from an anonymous account showing Trump's name spelled out with guns. Just a couple days before, the account posted a tweet saying, "#BuildTheWall is the best way @POTUS has worked to secure our country so far!"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/05/us/el-paso-suspect-patrick-crusius/inde
x.html

No one that LIKES what Trump says is a Dem these days.

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

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Monday, August 5, 2019 9:08 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Damn! but you hate a lot of people. AND you've advocated "eradicating" them too!

Quote:
Originally posted by WHIZZYY:
Just fascists.

No honey, you said you'd eradicate 'ALL BUT 100' of the people on the entire planet in order to save them from something or other. Would you like me to go back and get the quotes?

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Monday, August 5, 2019 9:51 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Now, here's one thing I dislike about media censorship in this case. Crusius (El Paso) wrote a manifesto. It's been described as "hate-filled, anti-immigrant" https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/03/us/patrick-crusius-el-paso-shooter-
manifesto.html , "filled with anti-immigrant and racist language" https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/el-paso-shooting-sus
pect-immigrants-hate-manifesto , "that warns of an “invasion” of Latino immigrants and expresses support for the man who killed worshipers at a mosque in Christchurch, New Zealand" https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-03/what-we-know-abo
ut-patrick-crusius-el-paso-rampage , "hate-filled" https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/7x5z4a/el-paso-shooting-suspect-pa
trick-crusius , "hateful" https://www.newsweek.com/el-paso-shooter-manifesto-defends-donald-trum
p-fake-news-blame-immigration-1452484 ... and so on.

What does that mean? I don't know. It was a 4-page memo. How much of those 4 pages were what was described? None of us will probably ever interview his classmates, neighbors, family, friends, internet acquaintances, and so on. We'll have to depend on the media to give us COMPLETE, ACCURATE information. But Crusius's manifesto is the ONE thing we might be able to look at, and judge for ourselves, if it hadn't been censored.

Here's a teaser of what else might be in it:

Quote:

"My ideology has not changed for several years," the purported Crusius text reads. "My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I [sic] putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump's rhetoric."

"The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that,” https://www.newsweek.com/el-paso-shooter-manifesto-defends-donald-trum
p-fake-news-blame-immigration-1452484

Here's a description of Crusius from the LATimes:

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Leigh Ann Locascio, a former neighbor, said Crusius was an extreme loner who always sat alone on the bus in junior high and high school. He spoke negatively of other kids who played sports or joined the school band, she said. She described Crusius as “very much a loner, very standoffish” and someone who “didn’t interact a whole lot with anyone.”

Her son, Tony Locascio, walked to school regularly with Crusius and his sister. Tony Locascio said Patrick Crusius only walked ahead of or behind them, never interacting and always keeping to himself. Crusius liked animals and kept pet snakes. “He wouldn’t talk to people,” Tony Locascio said. “No one really knew him.”

Another former classmate, Jacob Wilson, said Crusius was “very strong-minded” in class and would try to “take charge,” but other kids refused to work with him because he was “irritable and had a short temper.” He was often “picked on” because of how he spoke, and because he wore what looked like hand-me-down clothes, Wilson said.

Wilson, who is now 20 and works in his family’s scrap-metal recycling business, said he was in English class with Crusius during their senior year, and the taunts from other kids during class seemed relentless. “Every time I looked up in class,” Wilson said, “it was someone new speaking negatively to the kid, ‘Patrick that is dumb, stupid.’”

His long-term history fits the description of a lot of mass shooters, political or not.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 10:21 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
Now, here's one thing I dislike about media censorship in this case. ... and so on. . . .

What does that mean? I don't know. . . .

"The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.” . . .

He fits the profile of a lot of mass shooters.

Trump Blames Everything But Guns. Trump's Solutions Involve Everything Except Not Hundreds of Millions Fewer Guns.

After a weekend of bloodshed across America, President Trump called for a crackdown on violent video games and reforms to mental health laws, arguing that 'mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun'.

Trump suggested several policy responses to the shootings, including cracking down on violent video games, supporting “red flag laws” which allow authorities to confiscate guns from people deemed dangerous and directing the Justice Department to propose legislation to ensure that people convicted of hate crimes or mass shootings will face the death penalty. Trump advocated for this “capital punishment be delivered quickly, decisively, and without years of needless delay.”

Trump’s solemn tone speaking beneath a portrait of George Washington in the White House contrasted with a tweet he had sent just hours earlier, blaming the media for “anger and rage” in the country.

https://time.com/5644120/donald-trump-el-paso-shooting-speech/

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Monday, August 5, 2019 10:22 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

No one that likes what Trump says is for a universal allowance , or replacing fossil fuels for ‘ sustainable ‘ green energy. This guy is a far left Eco not job, and don’t you forget it. Seems I recall there was a stage full of people at the Democratic debate who were all taking shots at Obama and his policies. How soon they forget.

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Monday, August 5, 2019 10:35 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Yanno, SECONDRATE, for someone who seems to advocate gun violence you sure have taken a hypocritical turn.
I can't see a reason why anyone should take anything you say seriously. It's clear you don't believe more than half of what you post. I know I don't think about your posts much, I barely read them anymore, they're so full of shit.

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If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

"The messy American environment, where most people don't agree, is perfect for people like me. I CAN DO AS I PLEASE." - SECOND

America is an oligarchy http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=57876 .

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Monday, August 5, 2019 11:02 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

1. My 600 lb life. (TV show)
2. Donald Trump.
3. Texas Republicans.
4. Ruining people's lives because of their political beliefs.
5. Talking about how much money he has
6. Republicans in general
7. Conservatives

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Originally posted by SECOND:
0. (quoting tidbits out of context)
2. Donald Trump.
2. Donald Trump.
2. Donald Trump.

FIFY
I've helpfully summarized your post so other people can get the gist without having to do any tedious reading.

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 6:44 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The Time Gun Control Actually Happened After a Horrific Mass Shooting

www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmw9z5/when-guns-actually-got-banned-after-
a-mass-shooting-florida-gun-control-parkland

In 1993, an unhinged man shot eight people to death and injured six more before killing himself in a San Francisco skyscraper. What happened next is hard to imagine 25 years later.

A look back at the aftermath of the 101 California Street Shooting shows how difficult a project passing gun control legislation actually is.

The 1993 tragedy led to a flurry of activism that helped usher in a host of local and state regulations in California, and even important—if limited—federal reforms. Just a few months after the shooting, President Bill Clinton signed the Brady Bill, which mandated background checks for gun purchases; the following year, the government placed a ban on a variety of assault weapons as part of larger crime legislation.

But since then, the federal government has been largely passive on gun issues, even as hundreds of mass shootings—many of them unremarked upon—strike the US every year. So what made gun control possible then, and why has it become virtually unfathomable now?

More at www.vice.com/en_us/article/zmw9z5/when-guns-actually-got-banned-after-
a-mass-shooting-florida-gun-control-parkland

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 6:51 AM

THG

'Tipping point': In shift, Florida Republicans blame shootings on white nationalism

TALLAHASSEE — Three shootings within a week that left 34 people dead have marked a turning point for some Republican politicians, who for the first time in large numbers are blaming the bloodshed — at least in part — on white nationalism.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/tipping-point-in-shift-florida-repub
licans-blame-shootings-on-white-nationalism/ar-AAFnR5x?ocid=spartanntp

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 6:57 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, SECONDRATE, for someone who seems to advocate gun violence you sure have taken a hypocritical turn.
I can't see a reason why anyone should take anything you say seriously. It's clear you don't believe more than half of what you post. I know I don't think about your posts much, I barely read them anymore, they're so full of shit.

I have three guns, but if Texas or Federal laws changed to ban them, I'd go along with it. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens made an argument convincing me that the Second Amendment does NOT give an individual the right to possess a firearm, but the Supreme Court made another one of those 5 to 4 decisions, Republicans vs Democrats or NRA vs Commonsense:

"The Supreme Court’s Worst Decision of My Tenure"
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/john-paul-stevens-court-fail
ed-gun-control/587272/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 7:06 AM

THG

How the Trump Campaign Used Facebook Ads to Amplify His ‘Invasion’ Claim

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s re-election campaign has harnessed Facebook advertising to push the idea of an “invasion” at the southern border, amplifying the fear-inducing language about immigrants that he has also voiced at campaign rallies and on Twitter.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-the-trump-campaign-used-fa
cebook-ads-to-amplify-his-invasion-claim/ar-AAFo0pb?ocid=spartanntp

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 9:43 AM

... stay crunchy...

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How the Trump Campaign Used Facebook Ads to Amplify His ‘Invasion’ Claim

WASHINGTON — President Trump’s re-election campaign has harnessed Facebook advertising to push the idea of an “invasion” at the southern border, amplifying the fear-inducing language about immigrants that he has also voiced at campaign rallies and on Twitter.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/how-the-trump-campaign-used-fa
cebook-ads-to-amplify-his-invasion-claim/ar-AAFo0pb?ocid=spartanntp

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Can't imagine who tipped him off on the effectiveness of that approach...

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 9:48 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, SECONDRATE, for someone who seems to advocate gun violence you sure have taken a hypocritical turn.
I can't see a reason why anyone should take anything you say seriously. It's clear you don't believe more than half of what you post. I know I don't think about your posts much, I barely read them anymore, they're so full of shit.
I have three guns, but if Texas or Federal laws changed to ban them, I'd go along with it. Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens made an argument convincing me that the Second Amendment does NOT give an individual the right to possess a firearm, but the Supreme Court made another one of those 5 to 4 decisions, Republicans vs Democrats or NRA vs Commonsense:

"The Supreme Court’s Worst Decision of My Tenure"
www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/05/john-paul-stevens-court-fail
ed-gun-control/587272/

Remember this winner from Trump? He argues for more mental health out of one side of his mouth and then argues to allow more people with mental health issues be able to get guns. WTF? This is how insane this admin is.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-set-overturn-guns-mental-health-regulat
ion-557237

TRUMP OVERTURNS A MENTAL HEALTH REGULATION ON GUN PURCHASES
BY MICHELE GORMAN ON 2/15/17

Within his first two months as president, Donald Trump repealed without public display an Obama administration gun regulation that prevented certain individuals with mental health conditions from buying firearms. Prior to Trump's overturning the rule on February 28, four Democratic senators and an independent who are up for re-election in 2018 had sided with their Republican colleagues by voting to revoke it.

The Social Security Administration finalized the standing rule in December under President Barack Obama. With the regulation, the SSA was required to identify and report to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) individuals who are unable to work because of severe mental impairment and can't manage their own Social Security financial benefits, and therefore were ineligible to buy guns. The thought was that those certain Social Security recipients could pose a danger to themselves or others.

The repeal is a significant step for gun advocates. The GOP-controlled Senate in mid-February voted in favor of revoking the resolution, 57-43. Democratic Senators Joe Donnelly (Indiana), Heidi Heitkamp (North Dakota), Joe Manchin (West Virginia) and Jon Tester (Montana), along with independent Senator Angus King (Maine), voted with the Republicans. The National Rifle Association applauded the Senate's decision, calling the existing regulation "Obama's unconstitutional gun grab."

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:03 AM

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No one that likes what Trump says is for a universal allowance , or replacing fossil fuels for ‘ sustainable ‘ green energy.

They do if they're kids. Some of what they teach in schools is actually getting through. You gotta isolate the little buggers entirely or they pick up on those outside forces. The younger generations know they've been screwed by your generation no matter what you do though. It's the same old song and dance but with a reactionary twist caused by your greed.

You made these mutants, you fix 'em

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:18 AM

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]I have three guns, but if Texas or Federal laws changed to ban them, I'd go along with it. ]

I'm fine with removing semi-automatics from the equation, but you aren't going to take handguns from people. It's just not going to happen. They are a security blanky for broken adults these days, and we have a shit-ton of broken adults here.

With every asshole on the planet having a semi-automatic it's going to be hard to convince people to put those down as well. If Sandy Hook didn't, nothing will.

Then again, I'm not sure we won't still need them to fight fascism anyhow. I mean, I know the internets is crazy, but I didn't think I'd ever see so many of them popping up in a country that lost a lot of people to beat the idiots into submission 75-100 years ago. Maybe that's just a recessive form of stupid that needs to be eradicated every so often. It's clear Chumps people think fascism is a big joke, so it may come down to people that have semi-auto's and have a clear understanding of how monumentally stupid fascists are.

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:31 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The root problem is public opinion. There are just too many people in America who like their guns and too few people who feel strongly about getting rid of them. To make a difference, that has to change. Like gay marriage, public opinion will change maybe one percent a year on banning semi-automatic firearms and it will take 20 or 30 years to finally come to fruition. But what other way is there in America? We ain't Australia, which took just 14 days after the Port Arthur massacre for gun laws to be proposed and then passed by the Australian government. Then a nationwide gun buyback scheme saw the weapons turned in to authorities and destroyed.

https://globalnews.ca/news/3784603/australia-gun-control-ban/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 10:54 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
No one that likes what Trump says is for a universal allowance , or replacing fossil fuels for ‘ sustainable ‘ green energy.

They do if they're kids. Some of what they teach in schools is actually getting through. You gotta isolate the little buggers entirely or they pick up on those outside forces. The younger generations know they've been screwed by your generation no matter what you do though. It's the same old song and dance but with a reactionary twist caused by your greed.

You made these mutants, you fix 'em

Putin IS the new Hitler. Get ready to lock and load!

Well, spoken like a true eco-warrior nut job. The planet is nowhere near “screwed up“. I love how you endorse indoctrination of the youth though. Just like Goebbels and Stalin preached!

How have you already connected these incidents without any evidence whatsoever? And yet you’re the first person, I’m sure , who will declare that “ not all Muslims…“. after a jihad mass murder spree.

Even though they all preach exactly the same thing, from the same book, and all praise the same imaginary sky god.

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 11:10 AM

... stay crunchy...

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Then a nationwide gun buyback scheme saw the weapons turned in to authorities and destroyed.

Multi-pronged:
- Better back ground checks and no gun sales without them. This comes with the knowledge that some gun lovers will find ways around the rules. People speed, can't block every hole, happens.
- No "High Lethal" weapons (TBD) for sale to the general public. You want to shoot a super lethal weapon, go to your nearby, approved, licensed and insured up the yin-yang target range and rent 'em out by the half hour. Vegas has a beauty that could be a universal model. Next time I'm there I swear I'm shooting a Thompson sub.
- Buy Back programs. I think this is one of the greatest ways to reduce firearms in the US. I don't know if the numbers support that assumption, but it makes the most sense to me. You can't take guns from people without some people crying and shooting up the place. You have to find a way for them to willingly give them up, and that's with cash money. It worked in Iraq, and in the Shire, it'll work in the USA. How many broke-@ss Chicago gang members would turn their guns in for some cash? Hell, people will start stealing guns to turn them in for the money. It's almost funny in it's absurdity.
- Mental Health - who doesn't need that?

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 1:44 PM

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=7&tid=62257&mid=104827
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lol

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:14 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:41 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=7&tid=62257&mid=104827
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JewelStaiteFan, you are quoting yourself: "Remember that some of these people were converted from MILD INSOMNIACS or MILD DEPRESSION into PSYCHOTIC MANIC SUICIDAL MURDERERS."

It just so happens that 1 in 6 Americans Takes a Psychiatric Drug. Does that mean that 1 in 6 will become mass murderers? No, it means that 1 in 6 mass murderers are likely to be taking the drugs.
www.scientificamerican.com/article/1-in-6-americans-takes-a-psychiatri
c-drug/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:45 PM