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The 1619 Project The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our true founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very center of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Oh... and in case you were wondering, the NYT decided to scrap its 1619 page. Too much wokeness and a fear of brokeness, perhaps?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/1619-america-s
lavery.html

It doesn't work.

Thank god we have the internet archive so you can read about how 1619 was the true founding of the country...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190814050032/https://www.nytimes.com/int
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Originally posted by Brenda:
I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.

There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.

And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.

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Originally posted by Brenda:
I just love how certain things in the US just shove my ancestors right off the history page.

There is now "founding" of the North American continent without my ancestors.

And I put founding in quotes because that is how I feel about that. What was new to the white man was old to us.

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For lack of a better word, this is problematic.

"History" is written and taught by the winners. This is also problematic.


I've talked in here before about how much I resent my education, and I can't quite decide what I resent more. Is it the fact that 12 years of school in America squanders youth and hardly teaches you anything valuable for being a self sufficient adult, going so far as to teach an outdated system of measurement that cripples the minds of the students in a global economy? Or is it that we can't believe anything we read about our so-called past because it was written like a Cohen Brother's movie only following actual events in the loosest terms possible but told as if it were the Truth.


I mean, I understand why they would do this... regarding "History", not the crippling of the minds of the youth through bad math.

But if you're going to teach millions of kids a lie while they're growing up, you better goddamned well keep that lie going. Otherwise, you get millions of adults who don't believe in anything anymore. It's like finding out that Santa Claus isn't real and your parents lied to you.


So the period of white-washing history in America is over. Post white-washing, we're going to see black-washing that is no doubt going to be laced with a lot of anti-white propaganda that I feel will only strengthen the divide between cultures in the US.

And yes, it does appear that we'll be completely ignoring the natives again in this new phase of re-writing the history books. Because the cold hard facts are there aren't enough of them still here to matter to the powers that be, and most of the states they live in their votes essentially do not matter.




I don't know what the answer is.

Anything we write and teach is going to be lies, no matter who writes it and who teaches it.

In light of that, why don't we just fabricate something nice that makes everybody look good?

I mean, we'll know that it's bullshit, but maybe our great-grandchildren won't.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
I probably deviated too far from the first post with the second post.

Did anybody read about the leaked NYT meeting where Russia isn't selling papers and memberships anymore so they need to change tack and go after Trump for racism.

There was also an article the NYT put out that had a pro Trump message on it but NYT readers flamed them for it so they kept the article essentially the same but re-spun the title to instead slam trump. I'll have to dig up that article and the archived version.

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Originally posted by Brenda:

Known for years that history is written by the victors.

And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.

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Originally posted by captaincrunch:

F*cksake - it never ceases to amaze me at how ignorant people are when it comes to HOW media works.. First it was Signuts, then Kiki and now you (though you 3 are not alone). It's like, "Huh? It's not fair? Money? What?"

You even quoted the big clue: "...Russia isn't selling papers..."

GUESS WHAT? Here's where your brain locks up: what they said doesn't mean Russia is fake or didn't happen or Trump isn't Putin's c-holster. It means it's not selling papers. Just what they said. Further, it means: they are a business and need to make money in this super competitive gig-economy where's there's even more players. Russia isn't the only story, right?

Let me know when you understand that basic principle and I'll blow your mind with how it connects to what you call "censorship." Unless of course you can figure it out on your own.

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No shit, sherlock.

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This somehow makes things okay in your pea brain?

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Journalism is dead.

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On top of this, they don't even bother to let you know that these pieces are editorial opinion pieces and they present them to their idiot readers as factual.

This is why you'll get two entirely different bullshit stories of an event after the fact if you read about them on CNN and Fox News.

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The journalistic integrity of the people working for these sham outfits is on par with celebrity trash rags.
You might be okay with this. I'm not.

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It's really easy: One's the truth and the other is Fox's.

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Idiot quote of the year.

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This is what we're dealing with here folks.

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Known for years that history is written by the victors.

And on the other side we are still here but we just don't have a loud enough voice and we aren't visible enough in white society to count.

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Not just white society anymore, Brenda, was my point.

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https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/08/new-york-times-meeting-tra
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The closest Baquet came to identifying a moment when the paper had misjudged current events was when he described it as being “a little tiny bit flat-footed” after the Mueller investigation ended. “Our readers who want Donald Trump to go away suddenly thought, ‘Holy shit, Bob Mueller is not going to do it,’” Baquet said. (Baquet - executive editor of The New York Times)

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Dean Baquet: [...] We had a couple of significant missteps [...] It got trickier after [inaudible] … went from being a story about whether the Trump campaign had colluded with Russia and obstruction of justice [...] We built our newsroom to cover one story, and we did it truly well.

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Dean Baquet: Now we have to regroup, and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story.

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By this account, the question of how to address presidential racism was a newly emerged one, something *the paper would need to pivot into*.

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Dean Baquet: [...] this one is a story about what it means to be an American in 2019. It is a story that requires deep investigation into people who peddle hatred, but it is also a story that requires imaginative use of all our muscles to write about race and class in a deeper way than we have in years. [...] We’ll also ask reporters to write more deeply about the country, race, and other divisions. I really want your help in navigating this story.

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Dean Baquet: [...] that means trying to understand the segment of America that probably does not read us. The same newspaper that can publish a major story on Fox News [...] also has to talk to people who think immigration may cost them jobs and who oppose abortion on religious grounds.

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What I have heard from top leadership is a conservative approach that I don’t think honors the Times’ powerful history of adversarial journalism. I think that the NYT’s leadership, perhaps in an effort to preserve the institution of the Times, is allowing itself to be boxed in and hamstrung. This obviously applies to the race coverage. The headline represented utter denial, unawareness of what we can all observe with our eyes and ears.

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http://www.newstandardpress.com/trump-mexicans-and-the-media/
MEDIA MEME: In his first campaign speech, Trump said that all Mexicans are rapists.
WHAT REALLY HAPPENED: Trump said no such thing. But many reporters, news commentators, and political pundits said it frequently.

"Mexico is pushing some of its people into the US; not its best people, but people with lots of problems. Presumably some of them are good people, but others bring drugs, crime, or have been convicted of committing acts of sexual aggression, at least according to some US border guards."

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https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racist-racism-hist
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On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly made explicitly racist and otherwise bigoted remarks, from calling Mexican immigrants criminals and rapists ...

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“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on”.
“Look, we have to stop with political correctness. We have to get down to creating a country that’s not going to have the kind of problems that we’ve had with people flying planes into the World Trade Centers, with the — with the shootings in California, with all the problems all over the world. … We have to find out what’s going on.”
“It’s a temporary ban. It hasn’t been called for yet, nobody’s done it.
“This is just a suggestion until we find out what’s going on.”
“I called for a ban after San Bernardino and was met with great scorn and anger. But now … many are saying that I was right to do so. And although the pause is temporary, we must find out what is going on. We have to do it. It will be lifted, this ban, when and as a nation we’re in a position to properly and perfectly screen these people coming into our country.”
“We must suspend immigration from regions linked with terrorism until a proven vetting method is in place.”

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:

So what's a major media outlet like the NYTimes supposed to do when a multi-year story they've been focusing on doesn't have a sequel?

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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY

Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC

So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY

No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC

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Addresses nothing that's salient.

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Originally posted by second:
You are an idiot. The New York Times knew about Vice President Agnew's bribery and tax cheating before Agnew resigned. Eight years passed between Agnew's resignation forced by Nixon (not forced by the NYTimes) and Agnew's conviction in 1981. The New York Times has known about Trump's tax cheating since 2018. The Times did a story on Trump's cheating. How many years after Trump leaves office until Trump is finally convicted and can start the appeals process? The Times does not know, but they do know Trump cheated on his taxes, same as Agnew cheated.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Addresses nothing that's salient ... Russia Racism

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(abbreviated quotes from the article to provide a summary / see the entire article for more information)

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/new-goal-for-new
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Another, more concise statement from the Times: "The goal of The 1619 Project is to reframe American history."

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The basic thrust of the 1619 Project is that everything in American history is explained by slavery and race.

The [1619 Project] essays go on to cover the economy ("If you want to understand the brutality of American capitalism, you have to start on the plantation."), the food we eat ("The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as the 'white gold' that fueled slavery."), the nation's physical health ("Why doesn't the United States have universal healthcare? The answer begins with policies enacted after the Civil War."), politics ("America holds onto an undemocratic assumption from its founding: that some people deserve more power than others."), daily life ("What does a traffic jam in Atlanta have to do with segregation? Quite a lot.") ...

A major goal of the 1619 Project is to take the reframing message to schools. The Times has joined an organization ... to create a 1619 Project curriculum. "Here you will find reading guides, activities, and other resources to bring The 1619 Project into your classroom," the center says in a message to teachers.

The project rollout just happened to come at the same time as the leak of a transcript of a Times employee town hall in which the paper's executive editor, Dean Baquet, discussed his "vision" of making race the central theme of Times coverage for the remaining two years of President Trump's term in office.

"We built our newsroom to cover one story," Baquet said ... "Now we have to regroup," Baquet told the staff, "and shift resources and emphasis to take on a different story."

That different story is race — and Trump. "We've got to change," Baquet said. "I mean, the vision for coverage for the next two years is what I talked about earlier: How do we cover a guy who makes these kinds of remarks? How do we cover the world's reaction to him? How do we do that while continuing to cover his policies? How do we cover America, that's become so divided by Donald Trump?"

"I'm wondering to what extent you think that the fact of racism and white supremacy being sort of the foundation of this country should play into our reporting?" one staffer asked Baquet.

"One reason we all signed off on The 1619 Project and made it so ambitious and expansive was to teach our readers to think a little bit more like that," Baquet said. "Race in the next year ... is going to be a huge part of the American story. And I mean, race in terms of not only African Americans and their relationship with Donald Trump, but Latinos and immigration."

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If this article is true, it does represent a major 'pivot' of the NYTimes from RUSSIA!! to RACISM!!, and imo a(nother) highly editorialized version of the news.

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Originally posted by 1KIKI:
But the US was hardly the only or even the first country in the sugar market and sugar slavery (the Caribbean, Brazil), many disparate disadvantaged people have been historically mistreated and cheated in US agriculture (like the Chinese on Hawaiian sugar plantations and Hispanics of today), and black US slaves and freedmen / freedwomen weren't the only victims of it. To focus an entire history of racism on a story of black (but nobody else) Americans (but no other country) in US sugar production (but no other arena) (The sugar that saturates the American diet has a barbaric history as *THE* ‘white gold’ that fueled slavery) is misleading, at best.

That's my objection to it - it's slant.


http://clements.umich.edu/exhibits/online/sugarexhibit/sugar06.php
Manufactured goods were traded to the West African coast for slaves, who were shipped to the sugar colonies (the infamous middle passage) and sugar, molasses, and rum were shipped from the islands to England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_the_Caribbean

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_plantations_in_Hawaii
https://encyclopedia.densho.org/Plantations/

https://www.lib.umn.edu/bell/tradeproducts/sugar
Brazil and the West Indies

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What the NYTimes is doing is NOT a world history of slavery. It is a history of America that studiously includes slavery, rather than hand-waving it into insignificance with “slavery is a human sin, not a uniquely American one”.

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The 1619 Project

The 1619 Project (named may I point out for the introduction of African slaves onto the American continent) is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY

Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC

So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY

No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC

You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.

So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.

And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY

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So SECOND ... do you have anything RELEVANT to post about Trump's "racism"? I think you were hot on the topic recently ... don't you have a link to share? Why are you posting about everything but?

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Carried over from the "Democrats Only" thread

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Okay, so humor me because I haven't been participating in this thread, but tell me: What "racist attacks" has Trump been participating in? - SIGNY

Must be a slow day at the Sniglets household.- CC

So, you got nothing.
NEXT ...? - SIGNY

No really - we posted a link (maybe even the bulk of the article) that had reference's to instances of Trump's racism. I believe you even posted in that thread....? So yeah, must be a slow day at your ranch to want to repeat things.- CC

You and SECONDRATE post so much bullshit my eyes kinda glaze over. For example, you posted that the NYT publishes what sells, and then you post that the NYT publishes facts. SECONDRATE gets all twisted that what Trump tweets cranks up the crazy, and then not two days later says it doesn't matter what crazy people think. Given your history of posting lies, ad hominens, red herrings, and contradictions, why should I bother to look into each one of your posts in detail? No reason whatsoever, as far as I can tell.

So here's the challenge: Please come up with a CONVINCING story or link that demonstrates Trump's "racism". If you think that particular link was especially juicy please re-post it because I'm not about to go thru all the shit that you've flung against the wall to find one potential gem. So, yanno, dig it up.

And if you don't post anything particularly relevant I'll just have to assume there's nothing relevant to post.- SIGNY

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The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.

One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it: . . .

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So anyway, there are two separate things going on with the NYTimes.

One is their 'project' (already committed to and in progress), which, as I understand, wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery, and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity. Or, as they put it:

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The 1619 Project is a major initiative from The New York Times observing the 400th anniversary of the beginning of American slavery. It aims to reframe the country’s history, understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding, and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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The other is their need to pivot from RUSSIA!!! (where their bias was oh so very wrong, wrong, wrong) to something else .... and it appears to be centered on Trump's assumed racism. So it'll be interesting to see if their news now has a different bias, to cater to the people who expected Mueller to take our Trump. I'll be keeping an interested eye out to see how MANY front-page stories they run about that topic on a daily/ weekly basis.

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Your mom.

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their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history

to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding

and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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Your mom.

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In violet is the entirety of what the NYTimes says are the goals of their '1619' project.

their 'project' ... wants to train Americans in general and school children in particular
It aims to reframe the country’s history

to think that THE foundational principal of the USofA is slavery,
understanding 1619 as our TRUE founding

and that slavery is the very core of the USofA's identity.
and placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of black Americans at the very CENTER of the story we tell ourselves about who we are.

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But why believe the NYTimes when you can read SECOND's spin?

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