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That's a logic fail on your part, SECOND.

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There are many real life stories where the punchline is "Then Trump burned a cross on their lawn." I'm not sure what to call it, other than racism. Maybe 1kiki would call it arson? Maybe Trump is an arsonist rather than a racist?

Whatever the word, here are stories about Trump's arsonism:
www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588
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Once you read the stories, you won't honestly be able to say Trump is not an arsonist. But Signym and 1kiki might, which would say everything we need to know about them.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

It will say everything that three or four lunatics on a board nobody ever visits anymore needs to know about them.

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Elijah Porter’s ancestor Moses Turner was born in April 1839 in Georgia. At the time of the 1870 census, he and his wife, Sarah, had five children between 6 months and 9 years. The family lived on 265 acres valued at $750 ($14,665 in today’s dollars). Turner was an employer, and the farm produced cotton, sweet potatoes, molasses, butter and Indian corn.

By 1910 the Turners had no mortgage and were living with three daughters who worked as laborers on their farm. Turner died in 1917 and did not leave a will; his wife was the administrator of his estate.

“The way the story is always told is that we were slaves, we got free and now here we are and we didn’t make any positive contributions to America,” Porter said. “So when I am reading about Moses Turner, not only is he a landowner but he is contributing to the American economy, he knows agriculture, he is married and has children. I was really in shock because I always wanted to know my history.” Porter also found some irony in the story of Turner’s death. “The interesting thing was he died without a will,” he said. “The story of me becoming an attorney was already written before I knew about it.” -- Elijah Porter, 26, Hometown: Atlanta
Post-law-school plans: He has been hired as a corporate associate at a law firm in Mountain View, Calif., where he aims to become a partner in five years.

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SECONDRATE: If there's no such thing as race, how do you describe racism?

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Do you really find this NYTimes 1619 Project story super-harmful to your vision of what America is?

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Let me rephrase: If there's no such thing as race, how would you DEFINE racism? Should be an easy question.

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SECONDRATE: If there's no such thing as race, how do you describe racism?

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Okay badly- asked question. Let me rephrase: If there's no such thing as race, how would you DEFINE racism? Should be an easy question.

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Just really, really, I mean really dumb and desperate. Is this the best Trump defenders can do?

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SECONDRATE: If there's no such thing as race, how do you describe racism?

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Okay badly- asked question. Let me rephrase: If there's no such thing as race, how would you DEFINE racism? Should be an easy question.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one giraffe over another. It may also include prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against other people because they are of a different giraffe or ethnicity, or the belief that members of different giraffes or ethnicities should be treated differently.[1][2][3] Modern variants of racism are often based in social perceptions of biological differences between peoples. These views can take the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems in which different giraffes are ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities.[2][1][4]

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But let's not use that word racism. Let's find another word.

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The traditional definition of race and ethnicity is related to biological and sociological factors respectively. Race refers to a person's physical characteristics, such as bone structure and skin, hair, or eye color. Ethnicity, however, refers to cultural factors, including nationality, regional culture, ancestry, and language.

An example of race is brown, white, or black skin (all from various parts of the world), while an example of ethnicity is German or Spanish ancestry (regardless of race) or Han Chinese. Your race is determined by how you look while your ethnicity is determined based on the social and cultural groups you belong to. You can have more than one ethnicities but you are said to have one race, even if it's "mixed race".

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But let's not use that word racism. Let's find another word.

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OK. If you think the whole idea stands up without the word racism, suggest another word to use that means the same thing. (For example 'prejudice' would NOT be an adequate word because one can be prejudiced against short people.)

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“SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP.”


Voting majority, idiot. Not a racial thing.

It was said quite a bit before the elections, yanno, when all of the polls including Fox News had Clinton's chances of winning at 90% or more.

You tools are priceless.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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“SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP.”


Voting majority, idiot. Not a racial thing.

It was said quite a bit before the elections, yanno, when all of the polls including Fox News had Clinton's chances of winning at 90% or more.

You tools are priceless.

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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

There were days when Trump's probability was higher than Hillary's. But on November 6, 2016, the probability had dropped to 35% for Trump. That is the same as playing Russian Roulette with two bullets in the 6 shooter revolver.

One thing I have noticed all my life is that many Americans believe they understand probability very well and yet they keep blowing their brains out by playing the equivalent of two bullet Russian Roulette with their own lives. They understand far less than they think they do about elections, stock market rallies, insurance policies, accidents, diseases, all kinds of random occurrences that can end their lives. Showing them what they got wrong never seems to change their minds; instead they keep insisting that I am extraordinarily lucky and they are unfortunately unlucky, when the real explanation is that they are making big mistakes that could easily be avoided, just like I avoid dangerous risks.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Not a valid reply.

I'm correcting your idiocy about that particular quote. It was not about racism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Not a valid reply.

I'm correcting your idiocy about that particular quote. It was not about racism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You are making the classic mistake where you think there is some kind of plan, or some inevitability, or fate, or the voters, or God, or Trump who are directing the outcomes of elections. But life, and elections, are more like being under a barrage of mortar fire where the enemy don't know where you are. Explosions are happening randomly all around you and the probability of being killed is 35%, same as what Hillary faced in 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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In the years since then, Trump has assembled a long record of comment on issues involving African Americans as well as Mexicans, Hispanics more broadly, Native Americans, Muslims, Jews, immigrants, women, and people with disabilities.

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While the truth is that the American public had been lied to the entire lead up to the election with all polling showing Clinton up by a lead so large that half of the country has spent the last 3 years going fucking nuts because they were sure they were going to win and they still haven't gotten over it.

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While the truth is that the American public had been lied to the entire lead up to the election with all polling showing Clinton up by a lead so large that half of the country has spent the last 3 years going fucking nuts because they were sure they were going to win and they still haven't gotten over it.

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You think all of those polls that had Clinton with a lead were faked on purpose? For why?

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Also, subtle yet important distinction: I bet more people were freaked by the idea of "President Trump" than were pissed about Clinton losing. I think that's one of his biggest attraction for some of his supporters: he freaks out the librlz.

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EVERYONE WAS WRONG. THE BACKLASH BEGINS.

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You think all of those polls that had Clinton with a lead were faked on purpose? For why?

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I don't know why, if they were.

If they weren't, well, then the SILENT MAJORITY VOTERS that the signs Second were claiming were racist were correct, weren't they?

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Maybe... but all I saw was a bunch of footage of college feminists screaming and crying in the streets and at Clinton's rally. It wasn't just youtubers that were whining about not having their first female president either.

Maddow couldn't stop crying about it. I do recall one reporter talking about how he didn't want to have to wake up his daughters for school in the morning and explain to them how we don't have our first female president yet.

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It's not the fact that Trump won that fucked these people up in the head. It's the identity politics that run their lives and their thoughts. They took the loss as personal, and they've carried that resentment as part of who they are with them for 3 years now. And I hate to break it to them, but they've got at least 5 more years to carry that boulder if they don't get rid of it themselves.

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You think all of those polls that had Clinton with a lead were faked on purpose? For why?

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I don't know why, if they were.

If they weren't, well, then the SILENT MAJORITY VOTERS that the signs Second were claiming were racist were correct, weren't they?

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Huh? - that doesn't make even a little sense. Whatever.

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Maybe... but all I saw was a bunch of footage of college feminists screaming and crying in the streets and at Clinton's rally. It wasn't just youtubers that were whining about not having their first female president either.

Maddow couldn't stop crying about it. I do recall one reporter talking about how he didn't want to have to wake up his daughters for school in the morning and explain to them how we don't have our first female president yet.

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That's funny - I have completely different memories of Maddow from that night. I hated her show before the election, never could watch it, wondered how anyone could (she's not as funny as she thinks). But I started watching after the election because she was actually laughing afterwards with the other talking heads - there was definitely no crying. She was even excited about what the next 4 years would be like. You have to know that she knew her life had just changed for the better tv-wise. That vid you've shown is so doctored a child can see it. I gave up on her show a while ago though. Time for a change.

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It's not the fact that Trump won that fucked these people up in the head. It's the identity politics that run their lives and their thoughts. They took the loss as personal, and they've carried that resentment as part of who they are with them for 3 years now. And I hate to break it to them, but they've got at least 5 more years to carry that boulder if they don't get rid of it themselves.

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Nope, you just don't get how disgusting that lying sos is. His winning is a big embarrassment for this country. It shows how many ignorant, backward @ss people live here - that is no longer something that can be glossed over or ignored.

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HILLARY ... BECAUSE IT'S TIME

Wow, yeah. Identity politics much?

Yanoo, the people who were convinced that Hillary was going to win were stupid. But they were convinced by the M$M, just like they were convinced by the M$M of the whole RUSSIA!RUSSIA!RUSSIA! hysteria. They should have understood that a Trump win was a real possibility. I looked at the polls, and registered Democrats were OVERSAMPLED. And the pollsters didn't even correct for the oversampling, they just tossed it all into the big hopper and let the machines spit the numbers. But you know what they say: GIGO.

Gawd, we really need to reduce this sheep-like behavior of most Americans.

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Worse than that...

I don't know if Second is going rogue here, or if he's just following more MSM bullshit that he read somewhere, but if you look at his posts this morning, he's going to try to convince you that the polls showed the race as extremely close and even had Trump up at times. This is complete horseshit. Fivethirtyeight.com and Nate Silver regularly had Trump's chances in the single digits for winning the Electoral College, based off of aggregate poll sampling. Extremely rare was the instances where he had more than 25%.

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Not a valid reply.

I'm correcting your idiocy about that particular quote. It was not about racism.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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You are making the classic mistake where you think there is some kind of plan, or some inevitability, or fate, or the voters, or God, or Trump who are directing the outcomes of elections. But life, and elections, are more like being under a barrage of mortar fire where the enemy don't know where you are. Explosions are happening randomly all around you and the probability of being killed is 35%, same as what Hillary faced in 2016.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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What the fuck are you talking about?

You said, or your article did (we can never tell because you never make any attempt to differentiate your own words from articles in any of your posts), signs that read “SILENT MAJORITY STANDS WITH TRUMP" were racist signs.

While the truth is that the American public had been lied to the entire lead up to the election with all polling showing Clinton up by a lead so large that half of the country has spent the last 3 years going fucking nuts because they were sure they were going to win and they still haven't gotten over it.

The "silent majority" was about voters. Not about race.

Stay on topic for once, you fucking troll.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Back to your idiocy here.

You don't get to worm your way out of it because Captain derailed the thread.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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I think you're overthinking this SIX.

Let's start with SECOND, and why he posts what he posts.

SECOND is a shit-filter. He does a daily M$M sweep for ANY headline negative about Trump, Texas Republicans, the GOP in general, anyone who might have voted for Trump, and (if all else fails) Americans in general, and he posts it here. He doesn't think about what it says, whether or not it's true, or important, or even whether it contradicts the previous article that he just posted. I'm convinced that half the time he doesn't even read what he posts, because quite often there are unexploded IEDs buried in his articles, he just diligently flings shit onto the board hoping that SOME of it will stick. SECOND's posts don't reflect his opinion at all, because there is no unifying thought behind them. SECOND doesn't have an opinion he has A Mission: To Destroy The Party Of Nixon, by any means possible.

Now, why would the M$M lie about the polls before 2016? Because lying has always worked for them before. If you want a war on Afghanistan, lie about its ties to OBL. If you want a war in Iraq, lie about it's (1) ties to 9-11 and (2) WMDs. If you want a war in Syria, lie about Assad "gassing his own people", and if you want a war in Libya lie about "Qaddafi massacring his own people". If you want to lie about the state of the American economy, present endless shows and commercials in which everyone is living the life of a five-percenter, and if you want to create an enemy- or a good guy- lie about Russia, or Muslims, or our fearless FBI/CIA/DHS officers.

The M$M lies about pretty much everything, all the time. Just like SECOND, the M$M ALSO has a mission, and - it isn't to make money like some people think, or to serve as an objective disseminator of news like other people think, or to provide a responsible counterbalance to government propaganda like still other people think - but to promulgate the lies on which our corporate structure rests, including lies by the deep state.

I think they were lying about what the polls said because they were hoping to discourage potential Trump voters. And the problem was, the people who promulgated the lies were counting on them to work, and the people who received those lies believed them.

There WERE two polls that got it right, BTW. One of them was the "liberal" LATimes, I forget the other one.



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You may be right. I try pretty hard these days not to slip down the rabbit hole though. Nobody listens from you from down there.


I believe that the other poll that got it right was Rasmussen.

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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-06/south-africans-setting-fire-
other-african-migrants-wave-xenophobic-attacks

South Africans Setting Fire To Other African Migrants In Wave Of Xenophobic Attacks

Xenophobic violence is flaring once again in South Africa, where black South Africans are setting fire to other African migrants and attacking foreign-owned businesses.

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I hope people read your linked article. I think it's quite fact-based and illuminating.

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Down the 1619 Project’s Memory Hole

The history of the American Revolution isn’t the only thing the New York Times is revising through its 1619 Project. The “paper of record” has also taken to quietly altering the published text of the project itself after one of its claims came under intense criticism.

When the 1619 Project went to print in August 2019 as a special edition of the New York Times Magazine, the newspaper put up an interactive version on its website. The original opening text stated:

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The passage, and in particular its description of the year 1619 as “our true founding,” quickly became a flashpoint for controversy around the project. Critics on both the Left and Right took issue with the paper’s declared intention of displacing 1776 with the alternative date—a point that was also emphasized in the magazine feature’s graphics, showing the date of American independence crossed out and replaced by the date of the first slave ship’s arrival in Jamestown, Virginia.

For several months after the 1619 Project first launched, its creator and organizer Nikole Hannah-Jones doubled down on the claim. “I argue that 1619 is our true founding,” she tweeted the week after the project launched. “Also, look at the banner pic in my profile”—a reference to the graphic of the date 1776 crossed out with a line. It’s a claim she repeated many times over.

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But something changed as the historical controversies around the 1619 Project intensified in late 2019 and early 2020. A group of five distinguished historians took issue with Hannah-Jones’s lead essay, focusing on its historically unsupported claim that protecting slavery was a primary motive of the American revolutionaries when they broke away from Britain in 1776. Other details of the project soon came under scrutiny, revealing both errors of fact and dubious interpretations of evidence in other essays, such as Matthew Desmond’s 1619 Project piece attempting to connect American capitalism with slavery. Finally back in March, a historian who the Times recruited to fact-check Hannah-Jones’s essay revealed that she had warned the paper against publishing its claims about the motives of the American Revolution on account of their weak evidence. The 1619 Project’s editors ignored the advice.

Throughout the controversy, the line about the year 1619 being “our true founding” continued to haunt the Times. This criticism did not aim to denigrate the project’s titular date or the associated events in the history of slavery. Rather, the passage came to symbolize the Times’s blurring of historical analysis with editorial hyperbole. The announced intention of reframing the country’s origin date struck many readers across the political spectrum as an implicit repudiation of the American revolution and its underlying principles.

Rather than address this controversy directly, the Times—it now appears—decided to send it down the memory hole—the euphemized term for selectively editing inconvenient passages out of old newspaper reports in George Orwell’s dystopian novel 1984. Without announcement or correction, the newspaper quietly edited out the offending passage such that it now reads:

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Discovery of this edit came about earlier this week when Nikole Hannah-Jones went on CNN to deny that she had ever sought to displace 1776 with a new founding date of 1619. She repeated the point in a now-deleted tweet: “The #1619Project does not argue that 1619 was our true founding. We know this nation marks its founding at 1776.” It was not the first time that Hannah-Jones had tried to alter her self-depiction of the project’s aims on account of the controversial line. She attempted a similar revision a few months ago during an online spat with conservative commentator Ben Shapiro.

But this time the brazen rewriting of her own arguments proved too much. Hannah-Jones’s readers scoured her own Twitter feed and public statements over the previous year, unearthing multiple instances where she had in fact announced an intention to displace 1776 with 1619.

The foremost piece of evidence against Hannah-Jones’s spin, of course, came from the opening passage of from the Times’s own website where it originally announced its aim “to reframe the country’s history” around the year “1619 as our true founding.” When readers returned to that website to cite the line however, they discovered to their surprise that it was no longer there.

The Times quietly dropped the offending passage at some point during the intervening year, although multiple screencaps of the original exist. The Internet Archive’s Wayback Machine suggests the alteration came around late December 2019, when the 1619 Project was facing an onslaught of criticism over this exact point from several distinguished historians of the American founding.

It wasn’t the only edit that the newspaper made to further conceal its previous denigration of 1776. Prompted by the discovery of the first deletion, Twitter users noticed another suspicious change to the project’s text. The print edition of the 1619 Project from August 2019 contained an introductory passage reading:

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This additional reference to the 1619 origin point, underlined in the original print version, is no more.

Whatever the exact occasion for the changes, the Times did not disclose its edits or how they obscured one of the most controversial claims in the entire 1619 Project. They simply made the problematic passages disappear, hoping that nobody would notice.

https://quillette.com/2020/09/19/down-the-1619-projects-memory-hole/

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Anybody teaching that is going to get their federal funding stripped.

Get woke, go broke.

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I still don't understand why you pretend not to love Russia.

You've got more in common with Putin than anybody else here, Comrade Marcos.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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